No need. Complaining about things on STO is mostly mob mentality: several people complain about one thing, then many more join in, and then give or take a week later, and everyone is complaining about something else.
The current flavor of the week is complaints about the account linking and bugs and problems related to that. Complaining about the casino boxes went out of style weeks ago on the STO forums.
Mob mentality though it may be, the complaints remain relevant, and persistent. The issues still remain and are discussed, no matter what the "flavor of the month" is.
Issues since launch are still being talked about, so the fact that the lockbox complaints have lessened doesn't really mean squat.
Mob mentality though it may be, the complaints remain relevant, and persistent. The issues still remain and are discussed, no matter what the "flavor of the month" is.
Issues since launch are still being talked about, so the fact that the lockbox complaints have lessened doesn't really mean squat.
True, but it just gets annoying and repetitive to the point where one must question whether the people who join in the complaining about it later on actually have legitimate reasons, or are they complaining because they just want to complain and/or hate the company without any reason and are just latching on to the complaining.
Originally posted by CacaphonyMob mentality though it may be, the complaints remain relevant, and persistent. The issues still remain and are discussed, no matter what the "flavor of the month" is. Issues since launch are still being talked about, so the fact that the lockbox complaints have lessened doesn't really mean squat.
True, but it just gets annoying and repetitive to the point where one must question whether the people who join in the complaining about it later on actually have legitimate reasons, or are they complaining because they just want to complain and/or hate the company without any reason and are just latching on to the complaining.
So to everyone complaining about cash shops, lock boxes, Dilithium exchange, etc. go to that forum post, as I must wash my hands of you.
It has been fun.
One post made by a person does not negate an entire issue, nor the opinions of those that express concern, sorry. The fact that others post similar things as the person you mentioned also doesnt negate or counter anything.
Originally posted by MadDemon64 I have not ignored evidence, you have not given it.
Again, yes, I have.
"If the price of some cash shop item is x, do you think it is easier to buy it with money or grind dilithium?"
Therein lies the point myself and others have been trying to get across to you. Unfortunately, you are trying to compare apples to oranges. No one disputes that you can grind out dilithium to buy items in the C-Store. The point I have been making (repeatedly) is that the amount of time required to grind enough to buy some items in the store is purposefully designed to be overtly time consuming. Again, Cryptic/PWE does this purposefully as to get you to spend the real cash instead of grinding.
These are not evidence, just loaded questions that are designed to make either make either you seem correct or make the replier seem like an idiot with no middle ground.
How long it takes to grind out an item vs. buying it outright is a no brainer. I do not need "evidence" beyond simple math. Use my example from my previous post. I say it takes less time to spend real cash and buy 4,000 Cryptic points/Zen to buy the Odyssey Pack than it would to grind the equivilent amount of Dilithium in game and get the ship for free. I challenge you to prove this wrong. Start from zero dilithium and grind out enough to convert to 4,000 CP (remember, 1 dilithium does not equal 1 CP) and let us know how long it takes you. My way gives me the ship immediately. Your way will take weeks, if not longer depending on playtime. Prove that wrong.
I need evidence, as in PROOF that Cryptic would prefer people to buy stuff in the cash shop rather than use the Dilithium store.
Wow, for real? Put yourself in their shoes for a moment. As a business in the business of making money, Which would you prefer? Your customers spending months not spending any money in your store and grinding dilithium to get all your store items for free, thereby making you no income vs. customers spending cash right now to buy the items in your store and you making income?
So some guy wants stuff now (in an mmo of all things) and doesn't want to pay or play for it.
So what's the answer? If stuff is free and easy to obtain then it's called instant gratification. If stuff is hard to get, takes time, or is sold in a cash shop then it's grindy. It can't be both ways.
So let me get this straight , I put up a video clearly explaining the grind and your complaint is, the guys complaint about the grind ? Really ? The whole point of the debate, was the grind . One person offerring info that you could get items free of the ingame store , by grinding . He made it sound easy . We all know, it's not. Granted I didn't acknowledge that it was possible in this particular debate. Even though I am aware then, as now that it is. The grind makes it so impractical as to be detracting from the game and frankly , not feasible. Find me a video of someone who is happy about the grind in a f2p game . Oh you can't, because they don't exsist.
IMO if you play f2p games , either play and enjoy the grinding for items or pony up and p2w, but you can't complain you knew what you were getting into. You can only choose not to play . Nothing shutters a game faster then no player population or income generated.
I mean you get some foundry access for no additional cost as a free player.
If Cryptic/PWE did not offer foundry access to free players, those free players would run out of content very quickly. They have been already. This is nothing new and has been a complaint about the game for quite some time now.
I have no issues with the f2p model , or the grind in p2p , f2p . It's a mechanic of MMO's and how a dev structures his game around this element is completely up to them. Some dev are more obtuse about how they apply it. My biggest argument against Cryptic ( currently, besides being blatantly deceptive and dishonest on a level not seen, for a while ) is not the foundry , but how it's implemented. It's that people have to pay ( and yes the majority have to pay to use the foundry ) to create content for a content light game, to keep Cryptic in business, while they do nothing but pump out c-store items. Then to top it off Cryptic and probably CBS have claimed IP rights to any content published therein. I have serious issues with that portion of the foundry. While most wouldn't give it a second thought , it is a serious issue. If the practice grows in the gaming industry, it will present a serious issues. The old saying of " there is nothing new under the sun " is apt.
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No need. Complaining about things on STO is mostly mob mentality: several people complain about one thing, then many more join in, and then give or take a week later, and everyone is complaining about something else.
The current flavor of the week is complaints about the account linking and bugs and problems related to that. Complaining about the casino boxes went out of style weeks ago on the STO forums.
Since when is Tuesday a direction?
Mob mentality though it may be, the complaints remain relevant, and persistent. The issues still remain and are discussed, no matter what the "flavor of the month" is.
Issues since launch are still being talked about, so the fact that the lockbox complaints have lessened doesn't really mean squat.
True, but it just gets annoying and repetitive to the point where one must question whether the people who join in the complaining about it later on actually have legitimate reasons, or are they complaining because they just want to complain and/or hate the company without any reason and are just latching on to the complaining.
But I think that several people in the this forum post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=281131) do a good job in countering complaints such as these, especially januhull.
So to everyone complaining about cash shops, lock boxes, Dilithium exchange, etc. go to that forum post, as I must wash my hands of you.
It has been fun.
Since when is Tuesday a direction?
One post made by a person does not negate an entire issue, nor the opinions of those that express concern, sorry. The fact that others post similar things as the person you mentioned also doesnt negate or counter anything.
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Again, yes, I have.
Therein lies the point myself and others have been trying to get across to you. Unfortunately, you are trying to compare apples to oranges. No one disputes that you can grind out dilithium to buy items in the C-Store. The point I have been making (repeatedly) is that the amount of time required to grind enough to buy some items in the store is purposefully designed to be overtly time consuming. Again, Cryptic/PWE does this purposefully as to get you to spend the real cash instead of grinding.
How long it takes to grind out an item vs. buying it outright is a no brainer. I do not need "evidence" beyond simple math. Use my example from my previous post. I say it takes less time to spend real cash and buy 4,000 Cryptic points/Zen to buy the Odyssey Pack than it would to grind the equivilent amount of Dilithium in game and get the ship for free. I challenge you to prove this wrong. Start from zero dilithium and grind out enough to convert to 4,000 CP (remember, 1 dilithium does not equal 1 CP) and let us know how long it takes you. My way gives me the ship immediately. Your way will take weeks, if not longer depending on playtime. Prove that wrong.
Wow, for real? Put yourself in their shoes for a moment. As a business in the business of making money, Which would you prefer? Your customers spending months not spending any money in your store and grinding dilithium to get all your store items for free, thereby making you no income vs. customers spending cash right now to buy the items in your store and you making income?
No brainer.
So let me get this straight , I put up a video clearly explaining the grind and your complaint is, the guys complaint about the grind ? Really ? The whole point of the debate, was the grind . One person offerring info that you could get items free of the ingame store , by grinding . He made it sound easy . We all know, it's not. Granted I didn't acknowledge that it was possible in this particular debate. Even though I am aware then, as now that it is. The grind makes it so impractical as to be detracting from the game and frankly , not feasible. Find me a video of someone who is happy about the grind in a f2p game . Oh you can't, because they don't exsist.
IMO if you play f2p games , either play and enjoy the grinding for items or pony up and p2w, but you can't complain you knew what you were getting into. You can only choose not to play . Nothing shutters a game faster then no player population or income generated.
If Cryptic/PWE did not offer foundry access to free players, those free players would run out of content very quickly. They have been already. This is nothing new and has been a complaint about the game for quite some time now.
I have no issues with the f2p model , or the grind in p2p , f2p . It's a mechanic of MMO's and how a dev structures his game around this element is completely up to them. Some dev are more obtuse about how they apply it. My biggest argument against Cryptic ( currently, besides being blatantly deceptive and dishonest on a level not seen, for a while ) is not the foundry , but how it's implemented. It's that people have to pay ( and yes the majority have to pay to use the foundry ) to create content for a content light game, to keep Cryptic in business, while they do nothing but pump out c-store items. Then to top it off Cryptic and probably CBS have claimed IP rights to any content published therein. I have serious issues with that portion of the foundry. While most wouldn't give it a second thought , it is a serious issue. If the practice grows in the gaming industry, it will present a serious issues. The old saying of " there is nothing new under the sun " is apt.