But wow with TES scribbled on it as an afterthought? I for one, as a TES fan from way back when daggerfall was released, am quite insulted. Not just upset with them, but really I find it offensive that they would even attempt to 'sell me' this garbage.
One day, soon, a company who actually 'listens' to the players will appear. And no this does not mean 'listens only to what they want to hear'
This is exactly what I'm saying.
How can you announce a game, and in that announcement say that you're making the ES mmo that the fans have always wanted. Then release all this info for the game, including an article in which you literally state that the game will play a lot like another mmo in order to appeal to the "typical" mmo player beause they "wouldn't understand how to play it" if it actually played like an ES game?
That is not making a game for ES fans. That's an MMO for DAoC, WoW, and ToR fans, and no ES fan ever asked for, or would ever think of, an ES mmo that played anything like those games.
You lied to me. You said it was the mmo I've always wanted. I am an ES fan, and this is not an ES mmo for me, it's an mmo for another group of people. Which means you only expected me to buy it because it says ES on the box.
No thank you. It may only be a video game, but I do have this thing called dignity. I know it's pretty nerdy of me to say that in regards to a video game, but I"m not going to buy crap just because you tell me it's crap I want, even if that crap turns out to be good crap.
I want an ES mmo that plays like morrowind, oblivion, or skyrim; not this.
I definitely will not be buying this game and it's heartbreaking to say as a long time ES fan. I feel completely let down by the design and then to boot I only ever play imperials. What a joke. I hope everyone sticks to their guns and boycotts this one. If a major company like this took a huge loss I'm sure the genre would wake up. I only wish it had been EA instead.
The more I read about this game, the less appealing it gets. For example, lately there's been huge focus on PvP, and it sounds like this is one of the most important aspects of the game. And I'm not gonna buy a PvP game, it's just not for me.
Didn't like the initial news about TES going MMO, and for me it's getting worse whenever something new is revealed.
I love the TES series, but I'm probably skipping this one.
If you think about it, it's a good move. Bethesda didn't want to ruin or abandon it's single player game, so they let zinimax create a game using their lore. if you don't look at it as skyrim but as a totally new mmo, it sounds pretty f'n sweet.
If you think about it, it's a good move. Bethesda didn't want to ruin or abandon it's single player game, so they let zinimax create a game using their lore. if you don't look at it as skyrim but as a totally new mmo, it sounds pretty f'n sweet.
I find it rather ridiculous that people think that if TESO would play and feel like the Singleplayer games that they would stop making the singleplayer games. Did Square stop making FF games after FF11 nope they didn't. The singleplayer games would first of all tell different stories, secondly would be able to have vastly superior graphics.
I honestly care less about the engine they use, it being 3rd person or have a skillbar. They removed the most important aspect of TES games for me. Freedom to do what I want by making it class based and faction locked. Don't much care about the me being the "hero " either. It should have been about the world. You can't have hundreds of thousands heroes running around.
The biggest is the single player experience that Elder Scrolls has set the bar with. In terms of RPGs not too many games can hold a candle to Oblivion and Skyrim. Both games gave an incredible new depth to the single player experience. That aspect most certainly has to be in the game. From what Matt Firor mentioned in his interview the IP lends itself to a fantastic experience and the team is trying to make sure they live up to the single player awesome that goes with Elder Scrolls.
I have to say: I loled when I read that... and it sent a chill down my spine as well.
Honestly i think the main prob in my opinion has a TES fan, is that they are removing much of the freedom of choise inherent to all the TES games in ESO.
Forcing ppl into 3 factions depending on the race you pick ?
Having to pick classes? Common!
The thing i loved about TES (and i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one) was the freedom to make your adventurer play out how you want it. Yes the classes we created may fit into the Holy Trinity but they work like we want them to.
I'd comprehend if they made it so that you have to pick a side of the war but linking that to race choise is just too overdone in too many other MMO's.
Originally posted by Kilrain If you think about it, it's a good move. Bethesda didn't want to ruin or abandon it's single player game, so they let zinimax create a game using their lore. if you don't look at it as skyrim but as a totally new mmo, it sounds pretty f'n sweet.
No it doesn't. And your statement doesn't make sense...if this game 'sounds pretty f*n sweet' how then, could Bethesda 'ruin' it's single player game? If the game was actually good, then Bethesda wouldn't have to worry about its name.
Whow, just whow...not often you get to attend a train leaving for a humongous obvious trainwreck like this...
I surely didnt expect Bethesda to do anything like this. How fucking stupid can they be? Someone need to step into that project and smack faces, rub them in the pile of crap that is SW:TOR.
I don't see how anyone who says they're an ES fan could read about his game and be excited for it.
I also don't see how anyone who doesn't play MMO's, but is a fan of the ES games would read about this game and want to play it.
If it's lacking all of the things that make the ES games great, why would ES fans be excited for it. To say that because it's an MMO it has to play a certain way is a bunch of BS. There is no unwritten rule tha says an MMO is supposed to be a linear, single player story driven, race/ faction locked, class based mmo with no real sandbox elements in it, and that's what they're making with this game.
I'd really like to hear the impression of the author of the first article about TESO that was written here, when the game was announced. I got the very distinct impression that that individual very much expect an ES mmo that played much like the single player games.
Now let me ask this. How would people feel if Beth announced that they were making ES vi, but they wanted to move it into a more mainstream market so they're going to make the game play more like Dragon Age. Instead of forging your own adventure you'll select a class with preset skills. Instead of focusing on world development they're going to focus on Story narative. They'll still let you explore the world, but due the class designs you may not be able to do certain content unless you level up first. To make the game appeal to a wider audience, they're going to remove much of the fluff stuff that they think maybe people wouldn't care so much about, and instead put most of the emphasis on fighting monsters and playing through the story. No more having a house, no more crafting, no more killing NPC's, and reducing the visuals so that they run on more machines, as well as removing most of the world interaction.
How many ES fans would except that from Bethesda?
Just because it's being made by ZeniOnlne, and just because it's an MMO, doesn't mean it's not an ES game. When you remove all the elements that make ES, ES; including the lore that one of the devs admitted isn't even considered to be canon by the guys at Bethesda, the only thin you're left with is a game with the ES in the title and names on a map that you might be familliar with.
In the end, DAoC had far fewer followers then even SWG, people playing WoW are going to continue playing WoW, and ES fans who don't play MMO's aren't going to play a game that has next to nothing in common with the singleplayer games, they're going to wait until the ESvi releases and play it; not this.
Not even the media should be cutting them slack. Once an ES mmo releases that is nothing but a DAoC/ ToR/ WoW ripoff, those people that have always wanted to play a real ES MMO will not get that option. They won't make the game a second time, and we'll still be stuck with underfunded, indie developed MMO that never reach their real potential, but have more in common with ES then this game will. That's not fair to the FANS of the game.
I'm very dissapointed with the tone of this article. 3 faction pvp does not an ES mmo make. ES is synonymous with a specific type of gameplay, and MMO's are still RPG. There is absolutely no reason that an ES mmo could not be the sandbox mmo that EVERYONE EXPECTED when they announced they were making the game.
This is one of the more cohesive arguments against ESO and sums up my feelings as well!
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I will until the day of release fight against this game that is taking one of the best RPG series ever made and bastardizing it for its name.
I will not support it. Period.
I would not support any series being taken and changed drastically. If you cannot come up with something original, dont take something known and try to make it into something it isnt...dont make anything at all, you dont even deserve to BE MAKING A GAME IF YOU CANNOT COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW.
If a hollywood stuido announced one day that they are making a Lord of the Rings TV show...and it would be a Sitcom...I WOULD BE PISSED FOR A REASON. Lord of the Rings is loved because of what it IS...not because of its NAME.
The Elder Scrolls is loved for what it IS...not because of its name. If you make massive changes to what it IS...it no longer is what it was.
The makers of TESO does not get it, because they are owned by a massive corporation wanting to make money off the NAME. Sadly, I must now sound like a whiney crybaby Star Wars fanboy pissed and George Lucas for destroying their childhoods by making slight changes to the films...STOP TAKING WHAT WE LOVE AND ROYALLY MESSING WITH IT FOR MONEY.
P.S. No, I do not hate Lucas for what he did to the films...because he didnt change the core of the films like trying to turn them into musicals.
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Please explain how what we know of TESO makes it sound like Tortanic?
Perhaps its the no quest hubs, Or the no tanks & agro, Or the fully open world, Or the open dungeons, Or the tes crafting systems? Or the grind mini games for tokens pvp? Or the outdoor realm level raid bosses? Or the exploration based gameplay? Or the being built by experienced mmo devs rather the sprg devs? Or not using hero engine?
Even the single player games are suffering from dumbing-down and RPG elements removal. In Skyrim one can't customize characters a la Morrowind. At the dumbing-down rate TES is going, they might end up doing FPS to cater to the CoD crowd. In my opinion, TESO is going to be a cash grab from box sales. I hope I am wrong. I like argonians and having the option to start in Black Marsh would be a dream come true.
Originally posted by ShakyMo Please explain how what we know of TESO makes it sound like Tortanic?
Perhaps its the no quest hubs, Or the no tanks & agro, Or the fully open world, Or the open dungeons, Or the tes crafting systems? Or the grind mini games for tokens pvp? Or the outdoor realm level raid bosses? Or the exploration based gameplay? Or the being built by experienced mmo devs rather the sprg devs? Or not using hero engine?
Yeah probably a few of those
It doesn't. People are just upset that it's not a traditional Elder Scrolls game on mmo, so they call it wow clone. Like i already, i'm not happy about it either, specially with more "personal" story coming into mmorpg, but it's defenatly not TOR 2.0. Truth is, the ideas behind this game are actually awesome, it's just put down by the fact that it's TES.
It doesn't. People are just upset that it's not a traditional Elder Scrolls game on mmo
I know, the very idea that a fan of a series would become upset that the name is being used on something else...
I mean, why would a fan of Diablo get pissed if a Diablo racing game came out. Or a fan of the Sims get pissed if a Sims dancing game came out...how about a Starcraft Mario style side scroller!
Perhaps the people backing this idea are big Nintendo players and are just used to having their games bastardized. Super Mario, Mario Cart, Mario golf, Mario Tennis, Mario pinball, Mario puzzle...complete lack of originality leading to requiring tagging something familar onto it to get it to sell.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
An elder scrolls game without housing? With wow-type combat? Realy?
I am so tired of the wow formular. The game was fun for a few years. I know that I can not expect for a game to be freash and fun after 7 years. But I need something new. I played the WoW with lightsabers, it had at least some nice story and a different setting. But I am already bored. I decided to not play wow-clones anymore. And I don't need fantasy based wow clones.
I liked Skyrim. TESO could be great if the developers are brave, but after all I read yet I don't expect it.
Bethesda's not making the game though, it's being deveolped by Zenimax Online Studios.
Zenimax owns Bethesda so I dont really see the issue there ?
The issue is that this game will have the Elder Scrolls name, but not gameplay.
Lifebrink is correct. Bethesda is responsible for the epic singleplayer TES rpgs while Zenimax has no relation to it. Just because Zenimax is the parent company does not mean that they and bethesda and one in the same.
Now what this means is that Zenimax will produce an entirely different formula for the game and has only contacted Bethesda about lore (but when you're making a game in the past you can literally make up pretty much anything). Zenimax are Betheda are not cooperatively creating this game, only Zenimax is developing it. Which in turn is why this game will be unrecognizable to those who have played TES single player rpgs.
My wish is that I could have the customizabiltiy of Morrowind back. Hell i would take morrwind as a cooperative online rpg. That game had so much depth to it and the following TES games all became slightly more linear. Not that i'm saying skyrim is a linear themepark but it has less customization for your character than morrowind had.
All in all every TES fan has the right to be upset with the direction this game is going, and I for one am truly disgusted. But, considering it is this far into development and nothing we can say/do will change anything, we have to accept what we know and hope Zenimax creates a truly fantastic game that is worthy of being a AAA mmo.
Originally posted by dimasok As long as its not a WoW clone like SWToR ill be happy. Give me DAOC type RvR as well as decent dynamic combat quests, good combat (mounted too) and a live community and ill be all over it
Absolutely! I'll agree to that. I'll happily ignore the morons that call this a theme park clone, yet ignore (a) the classes are different in each faction - ever seen that before? (b) there are three factions - other than Dark Age, where have you seen that in a medieval fantasy mmorpg?
All these people complaining here are the same folks who put SW:TOR and GW2 on a pedestal. They are the first to overhype a cheese mmorpg project that has nothing new to offer the genre. Then, along comes ESO, and suddenly these folks become a vocal community. What are you all afraid of? Afraid that three faction mmorpg with NO mirrored classes will kick the living crap out of all the other titles?
Get used to it. Dark Age of Camelot has 24 races and 44 classes across three uniquely different realms. They lifted the bar higher than the theme parked Rift, or video game designed GW2 could ever imagine. Now ESO will fulfill what many of us knew could be done in 2001.
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This is exactly what I'm saying.
How can you announce a game, and in that announcement say that you're making the ES mmo that the fans have always wanted. Then release all this info for the game, including an article in which you literally state that the game will play a lot like another mmo in order to appeal to the "typical" mmo player beause they "wouldn't understand how to play it" if it actually played like an ES game?
That is not making a game for ES fans. That's an MMO for DAoC, WoW, and ToR fans, and no ES fan ever asked for, or would ever think of, an ES mmo that played anything like those games.
You lied to me. You said it was the mmo I've always wanted. I am an ES fan, and this is not an ES mmo for me, it's an mmo for another group of people. Which means you only expected me to buy it because it says ES on the box.
No thank you. It may only be a video game, but I do have this thing called dignity. I know it's pretty nerdy of me to say that in regards to a video game, but I"m not going to buy crap just because you tell me it's crap I want, even if that crap turns out to be good crap.
I want an ES mmo that plays like morrowind, oblivion, or skyrim; not this.
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Just for the record Bethesda's name and logo are appearing on the trailers along with Zenimax Online Studios.
Their name is on the product so they are responsible for it as well and should be praised or blamed just like anyone else involved.
The more I read about this game, the less appealing it gets. For example, lately there's been huge focus on PvP, and it sounds like this is one of the most important aspects of the game. And I'm not gonna buy a PvP game, it's just not for me.
Didn't like the initial news about TES going MMO, and for me it's getting worse whenever something new is revealed.
I love the TES series, but I'm probably skipping this one.
I find it rather ridiculous that people think that if TESO would play and feel like the Singleplayer games that they would stop making the singleplayer games. Did Square stop making FF games after FF11 nope they didn't. The singleplayer games would first of all tell different stories, secondly would be able to have vastly superior graphics.
I honestly care less about the engine they use, it being 3rd person or have a skillbar. They removed the most important aspect of TES games for me. Freedom to do what I want by making it class based and faction locked. Don't much care about the me being the "hero " either. It should have been about the world. You can't have hundreds of thousands heroes running around.
I have to say: I loled when I read that... and it sent a chill down my spine as well.
Honestly i think the main prob in my opinion has a TES fan, is that they are removing much of the freedom of choise inherent to all the TES games in ESO.
Forcing ppl into 3 factions depending on the race you pick ?
Having to pick classes? Common!
The thing i loved about TES (and i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one) was the freedom to make your adventurer play out how you want it. Yes the classes we created may fit into the Holy Trinity but they work like we want them to.
I'd comprehend if they made it so that you have to pick a side of the war but linking that to race choise is just too overdone in too many other MMO's.
Players crave for freedom of choise.
No it doesn't. And your statement doesn't make sense...if this game 'sounds pretty f*n sweet' how then, could Bethesda 'ruin' it's single player game? If the game was actually good, then Bethesda wouldn't have to worry about its name.
Whow, just whow...not often you get to attend a train leaving for a humongous obvious trainwreck like this...
I surely didnt expect Bethesda to do anything like this. How fucking stupid can they be? Someone need to step into that project and smack faces, rub them in the pile of crap that is SW:TOR.
This is one of the more cohesive arguments against ESO and sums up my feelings as well!
My blog is a continuing story of what MMO's should be like.
I will until the day of release fight against this game that is taking one of the best RPG series ever made and bastardizing it for its name.
I will not support it. Period.
I would not support any series being taken and changed drastically. If you cannot come up with something original, dont take something known and try to make it into something it isnt...dont make anything at all, you dont even deserve to BE MAKING A GAME IF YOU CANNOT COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW.
If a hollywood stuido announced one day that they are making a Lord of the Rings TV show...and it would be a Sitcom...I WOULD BE PISSED FOR A REASON. Lord of the Rings is loved because of what it IS...not because of its NAME.
The Elder Scrolls is loved for what it IS...not because of its name. If you make massive changes to what it IS...it no longer is what it was.
The makers of TESO does not get it, because they are owned by a massive corporation wanting to make money off the NAME. Sadly, I must now sound like a whiney crybaby Star Wars fanboy pissed and George Lucas for destroying their childhoods by making slight changes to the films...STOP TAKING WHAT WE LOVE AND ROYALLY MESSING WITH IT FOR MONEY.
P.S. No, I do not hate Lucas for what he did to the films...because he didnt change the core of the films like trying to turn them into musicals.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Perhaps its the no quest hubs,
Or the no tanks & agro,
Or the fully open world,
Or the open dungeons,
Or the tes crafting systems?
Or the grind mini games for tokens pvp?
Or the outdoor realm level raid bosses?
Or the exploration based gameplay?
Or the being built by experienced mmo devs rather the sprg devs?
Or not using hero engine?
Yeah probably a few of those
Even the single player games are suffering from dumbing-down and RPG elements removal. In Skyrim one can't customize characters a la Morrowind. At the dumbing-down rate TES is going, they might end up doing FPS to cater to the CoD crowd. In my opinion, TESO is going to be a cash grab from box sales. I hope I am wrong. I like argonians and having the option to start in Black Marsh would be a dream come true.
It doesn't. People are just upset that it's not a traditional Elder Scrolls game on mmo, so they call it wow clone. Like i already, i'm not happy about it either, specially with more "personal" story coming into mmorpg, but it's defenatly not TOR 2.0. Truth is, the ideas behind this game are actually awesome, it's just put down by the fact that it's TES.
I know, the very idea that a fan of a series would become upset that the name is being used on something else...
I mean, why would a fan of Diablo get pissed if a Diablo racing game came out. Or a fan of the Sims get pissed if a Sims dancing game came out...how about a Starcraft Mario style side scroller!
Perhaps the people backing this idea are big Nintendo players and are just used to having their games bastardized. Super Mario, Mario Cart, Mario golf, Mario Tennis, Mario pinball, Mario puzzle...complete lack of originality leading to requiring tagging something familar onto it to get it to sell.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
An elder scrolls game without housing? With wow-type combat? Realy?
I am so tired of the wow formular. The game was fun for a few years. I know that I can not expect for a game to be freash and fun after 7 years. But I need something new. I played the WoW with lightsabers, it had at least some nice story and a different setting. But I am already bored. I decided to not play wow-clones anymore. And I don't need fantasy based wow clones.
I liked Skyrim. TESO could be great if the developers are brave, but after all I read yet I don't expect it.
Sigh...its bad that I love the Elder Scrolls franchise so much that this whole concept stresses me out
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Zenimax owns Bethesda so I dont really see the issue there ?
The issue is that this game will have the Elder Scrolls name, but not gameplay.
My blog is a continuing story of what MMO's should be like.
Lifebrink is correct. Bethesda is responsible for the epic singleplayer TES rpgs while Zenimax has no relation to it. Just because Zenimax is the parent company does not mean that they and bethesda and one in the same.
Now what this means is that Zenimax will produce an entirely different formula for the game and has only contacted Bethesda about lore (but when you're making a game in the past you can literally make up pretty much anything). Zenimax are Betheda are not cooperatively creating this game, only Zenimax is developing it. Which in turn is why this game will be unrecognizable to those who have played TES single player rpgs.
My wish is that I could have the customizabiltiy of Morrowind back. Hell i would take morrwind as a cooperative online rpg. That game had so much depth to it and the following TES games all became slightly more linear. Not that i'm saying skyrim is a linear themepark but it has less customization for your character than morrowind had.
All in all every TES fan has the right to be upset with the direction this game is going, and I for one am truly disgusted. But, considering it is this far into development and nothing we can say/do will change anything, we have to accept what we know and hope Zenimax creates a truly fantastic game that is worthy of being a AAA mmo.
Absolutely! I'll agree to that. I'll happily ignore the morons that call this a theme park clone, yet ignore (a) the classes are different in each faction - ever seen that before? (b) there are three factions - other than Dark Age, where have you seen that in a medieval fantasy mmorpg?
All these people complaining here are the same folks who put SW:TOR and GW2 on a pedestal. They are the first to overhype a cheese mmorpg project that has nothing new to offer the genre. Then, along comes ESO, and suddenly these folks become a vocal community. What are you all afraid of? Afraid that three faction mmorpg with NO mirrored classes will kick the living crap out of all the other titles?
Get used to it. Dark Age of Camelot has 24 races and 44 classes across three uniquely different realms. They lifted the bar higher than the theme parked Rift, or video game designed GW2 could ever imagine. Now ESO will fulfill what many of us knew could be done in 2001.