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Smaller market, different era for online gaming.
SWTOR's achievement is on a technicality.
Tell that to Rift.
Once GW2 is out, SWTOR is as good as dead.
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The list of games GW2 is going to kill is getting longer.
No, i don't believe that.
SWTOR has all the time it needs, i just recollect data and speak about tendencies. I don't question anything.
I'm not counting hours but xFire players.
What do I want to prove, in your opinion?
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More like GW2 puts SWTOR out of its misery, this game is already dying.
Yes it is dying at this rate it would be dead by year 2020.
X-fire is just about worthless.. Using it to judge anything is... funny to say the least.
Star Wars is doing fine, 60+ pages of discussion about how its dying is .. also funny to say the least.
GW2 won't kill anything but the GW1 population.
/Done
I wonder if you can justify that using actual reasoning and statistical theory.Yeah heres my statistical theory.. people are using data collected by 4,398 players on xfire to make "facts" about ToR.
So, how many millions, minus 4.3k = Insane amount of people that agree with me xfire is worthless
And please spare me your reply.. Everyone knows those 4.3k people only use Xfire so they can compete with their friends on who is more hardcore by keeping track of how many 1000s of hours they spend playing 1 game.
So my theory is, xfire is just about worthless... Using its TINY fraction of players to assume anything is... hilarious.
This has been said before but I will say it again. The size of the sample is not statistically relevant, how many do you think election polls have in their selection? I can tell you that it is in the thousands and not tens of thousands or greater.
It is the selection of it which matters and for XFire it is indeed random which makes it more error prone than a statistical poll. However since no one can say how representetive this random selection is of the general population the error could be anything from insignificant to very significant.
And this everyone knows statement of yours is complete BS. It has no basis in facts and is completely your speculation or rather predigous about XFire users.
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As has been mentioned, you obviously have no idea how statistical modeling works.
I suggest you look up how the Neilsen TV rating systems work. Do you think that they have wired X million households with TV monitoring boxes? No. It is on the order of a couple thousand. And yet, they use those couple thousand boxes to estimate the "share" and thus viewer ship a TV show gets.
Same thing with all the political polling going on these days: it is a sampling of X registered voters or those likely to vote.
Statistical modeling has proven itself over and over to be a useful tool and accurate within a margin of error.
And Xfire, like it or not, falls within the scale of a statistical modeling tool. Maybe not the best, escpecially in how the subjects are selected, but random enough in the general catagory of computer game / MMO players to be considered valid.
If statistical modeling didn't work, or wasn't useful, people/companies would not spend the huge amounts of money they do using it.
Just because you either don't like or don't understand how it works, does not make it invalid.
I wonder if you can justify that using actual reasoning and statistical theory.Yeah heres my statistical theory.. people are using data collected by 4,398 players on xfire to make "facts" about ToR.
So, how many millions, minus 4.3k = Insane amount of people that agree with me xfire is worthless
And please spare me your reply.. Everyone knows those 4.3k people only use Xfire so they can compete with their friends on who is more hardcore by keeping track of how many 1000s of hours they spend playing 1 game.
So my theory is, xfire is just about worthless... Using its TINY fraction of players to assume anything is... hilarious.
I guess that's a no then to the requested "actual reasoning" and "statistical theory"Comparing politics and gaming trends also solidifies your statement as BS. Political polls are a 1time decision calculation. Trying to judge a games activity based on a tiny fraction of that population is much different. As I tried to say, Xfire users are hardcore nerds that want everyone to see how many hours they play what..
Then you have to decide whos vote is more important? The guy who plays 100 hours a week, or the guy who plays 5 hours a week? If they are both active subscribers, and only the 5 hours a week guy uses xfire.....
Actually nevermind. The fact that you think a political poll and a population health / activity sensus are even remotely in the same neighborhood mathematically says more then I care to try and correct. My coffees done, sleepy eyes gone. I'm going to go play ToR. I know you will have fun on these forums trying to spread the truth about how ToR is dead, while all us ToR players are actually playing a game having fun.
/bow
I seriously LOL and peed a little. Yea , I'll make sure to resign from my job later, citing the fact that I dont understand 7th grade math.
I wonder if you can justify that using actual reasoning and statistical theory.Yeah heres my statistical theory.. people are using data collected by 4,398 players on xfire to make "facts" about ToR.
So, how many millions, minus 4.3k = Insane amount of people that agree with me xfire is worthless
And please spare me your reply.. Everyone knows those 4.3k people only use Xfire so they can compete with their friends on who is more hardcore by keeping track of how many 1000s of hours they spend playing 1 game.
So my theory is, xfire is just about worthless... Using its TINY fraction of players to assume anything is... hilarious.
This has been said before but I will say it again. The size of the sample is not statistically relevant, how many do you think election polls have in their selection? I can tell you that it is in the thousands and not tens of thousands or greater.
It is the selection of it which matters and for XFire it is indeed random which makes it more error prone than a statistical poll. However since no one can say how representetive this random selection is of the general population the error could be anything from insignificant to very significant.
And this everyone knows statement of yours is complete BS. It has no basis in facts and is completely your speculation or rather predigous about XFire users.
Comparing politics and gaming trends also solidifies your statement as BS. Political polls are a 1time decision calculation. Trying to judge a games activity based on a tiny fraction of that population is much different. As I tried to say, Xfire users are hardcore nerds that want everyone to see how many hours they play what..
Then you have to decide whos vote is more important? The guy who plays 100 hours a week, or the guy who plays 5 hours a week? If they are both active subscribers, and only the 5 hours a week guy uses xfire.....
Actually nevermind. The fact that you think a political poll and a population health / activity sensus are even remotely in the same neighborhood mathematically says more then I care to try and correct. My coffees done, sleepy eyes gone. I'm going to go play ToR. I know you will have fun on these forums trying to spread the truth about how ToR is dead, while all us ToR players are actually playing a game having fun.
/bow
Good for you, if you enjoy a game, screw everyone else's opinion, they don't matter. However x-fire whilst not perfect is far more than worthless in determining population levelsProbably a good idea.
Reading is fundamental, you know...
Except the Nielsen group took pains to find an actual "sampling' of different housholds from different demographics. That's the key point there.
If I go into several large retirement communities, wire up a portion of the residents, can I safely say that I can now use that data to determine what the rest of the country is doing?
Now, if I wired up a few people in a rural town, upper/lower class, same with a city, I might get better results.
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Yes, agreed that selection is important, but the argument, by quentin, was that the selection size is too small, which is simply put wrong. It is not.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(statistics)#Simple_random_sampling
"However, SRS can be vulnerable to sampling error because the randomness of the selection may result in a sample that doesn't reflect the makeup of the population. For instance, a simple random sample of ten people from a given country will on average produce five men and five women, but any given trial is likely to overrepresent one sex and underrepresent the other."
This is the main issue with XFire polling.
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Yay 100 more pages of discussing the exact same subject the previous 100 discussed to death!
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Yeah, I was on that when I mentioned that the X fire sample might not be as carefully selected as it could be, because it is a totally voluntary 3rd party program used by MMO players.
That said, even if it can not pull out a particular data point, i.e. TOR has X subs, it is very good at hitting the trend, because the same sample (well-selected or not) is tracked week in and week out.
So if Xfire is tracking a strong downward on TOR play hours, that is very likely to be accurate. However, that does not directly correlate to a proportionate loss of subs, because one can theoretically be subbed to TOR and not play.
For the love of god why does this post still exist. 123 pages of people saying the same two things over and over.
Because only one of them is correct.