Also no.2 most sold PC game right now on gamestop http://www.gamestop.com/browse/pc?nav=138c (available now) This game is selling very well with great retention and i am sure will continue to do so for many years. IMO Off to play the game leave more comments here and when i am done playing late night i will answer them
Also no.2 most sold PC game right now on gamestop http://www.gamestop.com/browse/pc?nav=138c This game is selling very well with great retention and i am sure will continue to do so for many years. IMO
anything you slap star wars on will sell well.. anything you slap bioware on will sell well anything you slap star wars+bioware on will sell really well.. point is will it retain those players? I highly doubt it..
Also no.2 most sold PC game right now on gamestop http://www.gamestop.com/browse/pc?nav=138c This game is selling very well with great retention and i am sure will continue to do so for many years. IMO
anything you slap star wars on will sell well.. anything you slap bioware on will sell well anything you slap star wars+bioware on will sell really well.. point is will it retain those players? I highly doubt it..
Also no.2 most sold PC game right now on gamestop http://www.gamestop.com/browse/pc?nav=138c This game is selling very well with great retention and i am sure will continue to do so for many years. IMO
anything you slap star wars on will sell well.. anything you slap bioware on will sell well anything you slap star wars+bioware on will sell really well.. point is will it retain those players? I highly doubt it..
doing a great job so far *thumbs up*
unfortunatly shows nothing to the actual quality of the product look how well MW3 sold... big names = big sales.. big names do not always = good games
Well looking at torstatus population trend the total population has gone down quite a lot. Though it will take a couple of months to see it truly stabilize.
On topic: I find this to be a bad article... it doesn't seem to try to come up with good arguments to counter actual good points made by people but instead bashes and treats most of the internet like they are trolls.
Also no.2 most sold PC game right now on gamestop http://www.gamestop.com/browse/pc?nav=138c This game is selling very well with great retention and i am sure will continue to do so for many years. IMO
anything you slap star wars on will sell well.. anything you slap bioware on will sell well anything you slap star wars+bioware on will sell really well.. point is will it retain those players? I highly doubt it..
doing a great job so far *thumbs up*
yup, with all these reviews saying its just a boring game you KNOW its getting better. Especially when they said before that it was the best thing ever.... *thumbs up*
Well looking at torstatus population trend the total population has gone down quite a lot. Though it will take a couple of months to see it truly stabilize.
On topic: I find this to be a bad article... it doesn't seem to try to come up with good arguments to counter actual good points made by people but instead bashes and treats most of the internet like they are trolls.
yea about 70% show drop in numbers.. not sure how this was supposed to show me the game is booming
like I said before no one knows what those number mean though and how they manage population in relation to server load... but yea if people want to use this as evidence how on "well" the game is doing it looks like it dropped a ton from these charts..
According to articles like those, it's not the customer who is always right but the industry. One of the reasons the genre is in such a pity state. Professional gaming websites and dev studios live together in some sort of synergy which is getting disturbed only by gamers who ask for innovation and dare to voice their disapproval.
Don't mean to say that all the hate is legit, but you can only release bad games and pull the "people are playing it wrong"-card so often.
I've been playing video games before Pong. I've seen games progressing from times in which you fired with a rifle on a moving white square the size of a box of cigarettes on the TV-screen until now. I assume i can very well tell innovation in games or if a game moves it's genre forward. SWTOR doesn't have the first and doesn't do the latter, sorry if BW/EA/LA's 200-300 million (wasted) dollar plan doesn't come together on me.
Very funny but long article. Read it at work or leisure. Thoughts?
So true. And pretty much exactly what I've been saying since release... This game has the biggest hate bandwagon I've seen since WoW.
I don't care who you are, this game does not deserve lower than a 6 by any stretch of the imagination. In my personal opinion, it doesn't deserve below an 8.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
According to articles like those, it's not the customer who is always right but the industry. One of the reasons the genre is in such a pity state. Professional gaming websites and dev studios live together in some sort of synergy which is getting disturbed only by gamers who ask for innovation and dare to voice their disapproval.
Don't mean to say that all the hate is legit, but you can only release bad games and pull the "people are playing it wrong"-card so often.
I've been playing video games before Pong. I've seen games progressing from times in which you fired with a rifle on a moving white square the size of a box of cigarettes on the TV-screen until now. I assume i can very well tell innovation in games or if a game moves it's genre forward. SWTOR doesn't have the first and doesn't do the latter, sorry if BW/EA/LA's 200-300 million (wasted) dollar plan doesn't come together on me.
Forumgoers, essentially are all experts (at least in our own minds) with a long list of video game experiences, Volgore. No single appeal to authority should be viewed as superior to the next. Thus, all appeals to authority are irrelevant--and, moreover, are logical fallacies.
As far as the OP's link goes, I'll say that it's quite well thought out and rings true as far as I'm concerned. The author makes some mistakes, I'll admit. Moreover, I also want to state, and this is coming from an ardent supporter of BioWare and TOR, that I respect and even appreciate many of the critics and their points-of-view. I formally admit, many of you critics have made great points and many points that I personally will not contradict. I think the article's author, however, is indicating the extreme elements--the overzealous and rabble rousers--and not the moderate and reasonable counter-parts. This is not to say that the fans are not without similar divisions.
Let's remember, many of us are exceedingly capable of arguing for either side of an issue. Being right is always going to be slightly out of our reach because, especially in matters involving taste, there is no final word, no criterion of truth. Unsurprisingly, applying review scores is an exercise in the bizarre because of the inherent nature of arbitrariness involved.
Personally, I've hated some games. Really absolutely despised just about every moment I played them. But I never post anything in the corresponding forums that would denigrate the players, or even the developers, to a harsh extent at least, of that game. I believe that constructiveness and mindfullness of valuable contribution to community should always be my highest goal. I acknowledge that there is a level of naivete in my view, but I feel that it is the correct view nonetheless.
So be critical--absolutely never stop being critical!--whether you're a fan or detractor. But don't make the corollaries--the bickering, bitterness, all out anger--of the matter at hand become personal to the extent that you are diminishing yourself or the community as a whole.
I leave with this thread at a somewhat tolerable state and come back to this, I am disappoint. Yet another thread derailed right down the crapper.
We don't need to be so insecure that we force our opinions and tastes onto others to validate ourselves.
At this time I'd like to take a moment and remind everyone:
There is a forum for reviewing/judging/rating/critiquing this game, it is aptly titled "Reviews and Impressions". It's description is "Share your reviews and impressions here! Love or hate the game? Create a thread and let us know why!".
"2) Negativity is perfectly fine and welcome on our forums. However, negativity without an opinion to back it up , such as, "This game sux!" is not acceptable, and is considered trolling. Colloquialisms such as "DorkFail" for Darkfall also fall into this category. If you do not like a game, explain why. Posting that you do not like a game in most every thread about said game is also considered trolling, and is unnecessary."
I'd also like to point out the site's rules of conduct which state:
"Topic Hijacking
Posting comments within a thread which severely disrupts the original conversation is prohibited at MMORPG.com.
Example: Asking whether a game has PvP in a thread about crafting materials found in a new expansion is Topic Hijacking.
"
and
"Trolling
Posting excessive negative comments or baiting others to respond in a negative manner is considered trolling on the MMORPG.com forums.
For example: If there is one game that you did not enjoy, voicing your opinion is encouraged. Posting this opinion in every thread concerning that game to the point that it disrupts all other conversation is not tolerated.
"
and lastly for kicks since I've seen this happen a few times already
"Resurrecting Locked or Deleted Threads
If a thread has previously been deleted or locked by a moderator, it is against our rules to start another thread on the same topic. This rule applies if a participant in a locked or deleted thread re-starts the thread, a warning and 1 day ban will be issued. If this happens twice, the member will be permanently banned, no exceptions.
"
This stuff really needs to stop guys, move on with your lives. Do I really need to become an unoffical mod for this forum whenever I check to see what the latest general discussion is only to find infaction after annoying infraction.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
Very funny but long article. Read it at work or leisure. Thoughts?
You can say the same for "hyping" a game. We had this for several released games in the last years with reviews or forum comments. Whats counts is that everyone should test games bythemselves and judge after their expirience, I dont trust reviews anymore.
According to articles like those, it's not the customer who is always right but the industry. One of the reasons the genre is in such a pity state. Professional gaming websites and dev studios live together in some sort of synergy which is getting disturbed only by gamers who ask for innovation and dare to voice their disapproval.
Don't mean to say that all the hate is legit, but you can only release bad games and pull the "people are playing it wrong"-card so often.
I've been playing video games before Pong. I've seen games progressing from times in which you fired with a rifle on a moving white square the size of a box of cigarettes on the TV-screen until now. I assume i can very well tell innovation in games or if a game moves it's genre forward. SWTOR doesn't have the first and doesn't do the latter, sorry if BW/EA/LA's 200-300 million (wasted) dollar plan doesn't come together on me.
Forumgoers, essentially are all experts (at least in our own minds) with a long list of video game experiences, Volgore. No single appeal to authority should be viewed as superior to the next. Thus, all appeals to authority are irrelevant--and, moreover, are logical fallacies.
As far as the OP's link goes, I'll say that it's quite well thought out and rings true as far as I'm concerned. The author makes some mistakes, I'll admit. Moreover, I also want to state, and this is coming from an ardent supporter of BioWare and TOR, that I respect and even appreciate many of the critics and their points-of-view. I formally admit, many of you critics have made great points and many points that I personally will not contradict. I think the article's author, however, is indicating the extreme elements--the overzealous and rabble rousers--and not the moderate and reasonable counter-parts. This is not to say that the fans are not without similar divisions.
Let's remember, many of us are exceedingly capable of arguing for either side of an issue. Being right is always going to be slightly out of our reach because, especially in matters involving taste, there is no final word, no criterion of truth. Unsurprisingly, applying review scores is an exercise in the bizarre because of the inherent nature of arbitrariness involved.
Personally, I've hated some games. Really absolutely despised just about every moment I played them. But I never post anything in the corresponding forums that would denigrate the players, or even the developers, to a harsh extent at least, of that game. I believe that constructiveness and mindfullness of valuable contribution to community should always be my highest goal. I acknowledge that there is a level of naivete in my view, but I feel that it is the correct view nonetheless.
So be critical--absolutely never stop being critical!--whether you're a fan or detractor. But don't make the corollaries--the bickering, bitterness, all out anger--of the matter at hand become personal to the extent that you are diminishing yourself or the community as a whole.
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Also no.2 most sold PC game right now on gamestop http://www.gamestop.com/browse/pc?nav=138c (available now)
This game is selling very well 
with great retention 
and i am sure will continue to do so for many years. IMO 
Off to play the game leave more comments here and when i am done playing late night i will answer them 
Currently Playing: SSFIV AE, SFxTekken, SWTOR, WoW. Waiting for: GW2, Resident Evil 6.
anything you slap star wars on will sell well.. anything you slap bioware on will sell well anything you slap star wars+bioware on will sell really well.. point is will it retain those players? I highly doubt it..
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
doing a great job so far
*thumbs up*
Currently Playing: SSFIV AE, SFxTekken, SWTOR, WoW. Waiting for: GW2, Resident Evil 6.
unfortunatly shows nothing to the actual quality of the product look how well MW3 sold... big names = big sales.. big names do not always = good games
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Well looking at torstatus population trend the total population has gone down quite a lot. Though it will take a couple of months to see it truly stabilize.
On topic: I find this to be a bad article... it doesn't seem to try to come up with good arguments to counter actual good points made by people but instead bashes and treats most of the internet like they are trolls.
yup, with all these reviews saying its just a boring game you KNOW its getting better. Especially when they said before that it was the best thing ever.... *thumbs up*
yea about 70% show drop in numbers.. not sure how this was supposed to show me the game is booming
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Using one of your own sources as perhaps a better example of trends:
http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/trends
Now that looks pretty serious to me.
US is equally bad:
http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/trends
like I said before no one knows what those number mean though and how they manage population in relation to server load... but yea if people want to use this as evidence how on "well" the game is doing it looks like it dropped a ton from these charts..
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Should rename it TOR vs. Common sense.
According to articles like those, it's not the customer who is always right but the industry. One of the reasons the genre is in such a pity state. Professional gaming websites and dev studios live together in some sort of synergy which is getting disturbed only by gamers who ask for innovation and dare to voice their disapproval.
Don't mean to say that all the hate is legit, but you can only release bad games and pull the "people are playing it wrong"-card so often.
I've been playing video games before Pong. I've seen games progressing from times in which you fired with a rifle on a moving white square the size of a box of cigarettes on the TV-screen until now. I assume i can very well tell innovation in games or if a game moves it's genre forward. SWTOR doesn't have the first and doesn't do the latter, sorry if BW/EA/LA's 200-300 million (wasted) dollar plan doesn't come together on me.
yeah..
it deserves about a 6,which is still terrible..
oooo...
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Forumgoers, essentially are all experts (at least in our own minds) with a long list of video game experiences, Volgore. No single appeal to authority should be viewed as superior to the next. Thus, all appeals to authority are irrelevant--and, moreover, are logical fallacies.
As far as the OP's link goes, I'll say that it's quite well thought out and rings true as far as I'm concerned. The author makes some mistakes, I'll admit. Moreover, I also want to state, and this is coming from an ardent supporter of BioWare and TOR, that I respect and even appreciate many of the critics and their points-of-view. I formally admit, many of you critics have made great points and many points that I personally will not contradict. I think the article's author, however, is indicating the extreme elements--the overzealous and rabble rousers--and not the moderate and reasonable counter-parts. This is not to say that the fans are not without similar divisions.
Let's remember, many of us are exceedingly capable of arguing for either side of an issue. Being right is always going to be slightly out of our reach because, especially in matters involving taste, there is no final word, no criterion of truth. Unsurprisingly, applying review scores is an exercise in the bizarre because of the inherent nature of arbitrariness involved.
Personally, I've hated some games. Really absolutely despised just about every moment I played them. But I never post anything in the corresponding forums that would denigrate the players, or even the developers, to a harsh extent at least, of that game. I believe that constructiveness and mindfullness of valuable contribution to community should always be my highest goal. I acknowledge that there is a level of naivete in my view, but I feel that it is the correct view nonetheless.
So be critical--absolutely never stop being critical!--whether you're a fan or detractor. But don't make the corollaries--the bickering, bitterness, all out anger--of the matter at hand become personal to the extent that you are diminishing yourself or the community as a whole.
I leave with this thread at a somewhat tolerable state and come back to this, I am disappoint. Yet another thread derailed right down the crapper.
We don't need to be so insecure that we force our opinions and tastes onto others to validate ourselves.
At this time I'd like to take a moment and remind everyone:
There is a forum for reviewing/judging/rating/critiquing this game, it is aptly titled "Reviews and Impressions". It's description is "Share your reviews and impressions here! Love or hate the game? Create a thread and let us know why!".
There is a notice of increased moderation for this forum which states the following:
"2) Negativity is perfectly fine and welcome on our forums. However, negativity without an opinion to back it up , such as, "This game sux!" is not acceptable, and is considered trolling. Colloquialisms such as "DorkFail" for Darkfall also fall into this category. If you do not like a game, explain why. Posting that you do not like a game in most every thread about said game is also considered trolling, and is unnecessary."
I'd also like to point out the site's rules of conduct which state:
"Topic Hijacking
Posting comments within a thread which severely disrupts the original conversation is prohibited at MMORPG.com.
Example: Asking whether a game has PvP in a thread about crafting materials found in a new expansion is Topic Hijacking.
"
and
"Trolling
Posting excessive negative comments or baiting others to respond in a negative manner is considered trolling on the MMORPG.com forums.
For example: If there is one game that you did not enjoy, voicing your opinion is encouraged. Posting this opinion in every thread concerning that game to the point that it disrupts all other conversation is not tolerated.
"
and lastly for kicks since I've seen this happen a few times already
"Resurrecting Locked or Deleted Threads
If a thread has previously been deleted or locked by a moderator, it is against our rules to start another thread on the same topic. This rule applies if a participant in a locked or deleted thread re-starts the thread, a warning and 1 day ban will be issued. If this happens twice, the member will be permanently banned, no exceptions.
"
This stuff really needs to stop guys, move on with your lives. Do I really need to become an unoffical mod for this forum whenever I check to see what the latest general discussion is only to find infaction after annoying infraction.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
You can say the same for "hyping" a game. We had this for several released games in the last years with reviews or forum comments. Whats counts is that everyone should test games bythemselves and judge after their expirience, I dont trust reviews anymore.
Good post, thank you for your reply.