If I use a mount in a game such as AoC, I use it to pass familiar territory quickly. Fast travel works far better for this purpose don't you think?
That's not why people use mounts. Like you said, if you want to get from Point A to Point B quickly, fast travel is the way to go. If you want to actually explore for the sake of exploring, without having to jump into combat every few seconds as you are doing it, mounts are the best way to do it.
When you don't have ground mounts, it discourages, not encourages, exploration. I think it's a mistake not to have ground mounts in GW2. Sometimes people want to just go out an explore the world without having to fight their way through it. Another issue I have with no ground mounts in the game is it makes me question how big the world actually is. I wonder if not having mounts is a way to artificially make the world bigger than it is. Not sure if that's the case with GW2, but we'll find out soon enough I guess.
Okay, now with the reasoning of exploration.....I agree. I take back my "it doesn't really matter" attitude about it. I will say I DO want mounts. But I still trust ArenaNet to ultimately do what's best for their game. I do think, for exploration, however, mounts would be very helpful, because I know I don't always feel like fighting through an entire zone just to explore it a bit. I guess we'll see.
I do believe from what's been said and shown at the Demos, you can traverse nearly any area you so choose with minimum interactions toward the enviroment unless you choose to get involved.
So ArenaNet saying NO! there will not be mounts at launch is not good enough, the reason i think it's insulting is because ArenaNet takes the time from a busy schedule to tell us something and people don't listen to it because it's not what they wanted to hear.
Not finding that insulting gives me pause.........
Wait....
It's insulting to disagree with something ANet so graciously deemed us worthy of informing us about?
Do you worship these guys or something? Maybe a little shrine in your closet dedicated to ANet you daily pray to?
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Regardless of how people feel about mounts in this game, and there are legit arguments to be made on both sides of the fence...I'm still trying to figure out why asking an innocuous question like the OP did is an insult to mmorpg.com, the readers of the thread, or ArenaNet. I find that kind of overreaction a bit amusing.
So ArenaNet saying NO! there will not be mounts at launch is not good enough, the reason i think it's insulting is because ArenaNet takes the time from a busy schedule to tell us something and people don't listen to it because it's not what they wanted to hear.
Not finding that insulting gives me pause.........
Well, no offense, but I think that's kind of silly. I doubt ArenaNet is personally offended that some people might want to see something in the game that isn't currently going to be available for launch, particularly if they are confident in their reasoning for not having it.
But let's assume for argument's sake that ArenaNet is very upset that people would question their wisdom and have differing viewpoints on their game. You also mentioned that this conversation is insulting to mmorpg.com as well as the people who read the thread. How so?
It depends on how they are implemented. If they are like in WoW, then hell no. It has to be more like they are in AoC at the very least for me to want mounts.
The mount in a pocket is just retarded, unless we are in a Harry Potter game.
It's part of suspension of disbelief. Consider this: We're okay with carrying several suits of armour and weapons, thousands of pounds in crafting materials, and other "junk" in several bags that have limited slots, not based on item size but absolute quantity, but not okay with pocket mounts?
How realistic does the mount system have to be? Should we have to stable our mounts and visit stables to retrieve them?
How far are we going to push the "realism" card then? Should we be required to have pack animals and travel at realistic foot speeds and take actual days to move across the map? Should we have a fatique system and be required to eat and sleep? Should we be limited to realistic weights in our packs and realistic strength and endurance levels to carry them? All of those are idiotic outside of D&D and a Harry Potter magic system.
It's subjective of course, but I find fast fluid mount/dismount animations a lot nicer in game play, especially action play, than long animations that immobilize a character.
Well you do have to balance gameplay versus realism. At least in AoC, the mount animation has the mount look like they are coming from someplace and then you actually mount up. It serves the same function as the bammo presto type of mounting that WoW has but it fits into the world a heck of a lot better. Plus the actual riding physics that AoC (you can even fight while mounted) has is a lot more believable than WoW has. All I'm saying is that it should be at least the level of AoC rather the cosmetic speed boost as in WoW.
I think most people who ask for mounts overlook the fact they all seam to ask for the Wow kind of mounts, this mean a nice skin on a speed buff.
So sure this kind of feature would be easy to make, and honestly Anet could probably add few at this point and it would neither add anything worth it to the game, neither it would take anything. But the fact is, would you want to have such a simplistic feature? I mean if you want mount at least ask to be able to fight on them, wouldn't it make more sense? Why ask for a crappy feature when it could be something good and fun to use? I mean i know probably most people never played anything than Wow, but damn it.
If people want better games than Wow they should try to ask something better, aren't you guys a bit fed up with that crap most mmo serve you? But you ask for more, i mean if you have to loose so much energy about crying, cry for something worth it, no?
The thing is a good mount feature is a lot of work, i mean they could probably do that in place of underwater combat for sure, but they didn't. I don't think they are that early in development to work now in such a difficult to implement feature either. Most dev team wouldn't want to risk to fuck their balance to make a good mount feature, people having some mmo experience knows it, believe me.
This discussion seam so useless tbh. I want my nice speed buff skin - but you don't need it - who care i like to slalom mobs. Jez... My little pony fan boys are taking over guys its not good. Mayday Mayday...
if you ask a question and your given the answer, why would you ask it again.?
intellectually insulting.
when people loose site of what is respectfull, we are in a sad state
They said NO MOUNTS
so let's make a thread talking about mounts
you think mounts would be cool in GW2
what type of mount do you want in GW2?
They said NO MOUNTS
how many mounts do we get, later you know after launch?
can we buy mounts in the cash shop?
would you by mounts in the cash shop?
They said NO MOUNTS
ya but when you say no mounts you don't mean that right?
Correction: they've said no mounts at launch, which doesn't mean no mounts ever. It only means they have things placed at a higher priority, it says nothing about what will be added down the road.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Mounts should definitely be a feature. As well as a decent mounted combat system similar to AoC where you can get knocked off, etc and do basic attacks from the mount, and with the mount itself.
Instead of the movement speed buffs we see in the original Guild Wars, give us land mounts. ONLY LAND MOUNTS.
Flying mounts take away from the scope of the game too much IMO. Nothing crazy like 100% and higher increased speed, either, but realistic speeds of land mounts.
It is a fantasy setting... It only makes sense to have mounts, if you have Knights in armor, where the hell is my noble steed?! Raise them as pets, make it worthwhile. Give us the option to make stables where we can raise and sell certain types of mounts, make armor for them, etc. Breed our own mounts.
I mean think about it... It doesnt have to hinder "immersion" that much, with realistic land speeds, but instead add so greatly to the game. I mean where is the immersion in the fast travel system they have in place now. And all of the movement speed buffs in the first Guild Wars were pretty... meh.
When a man lies... he murders some part of the World.
Not really. It isn't important, and wouldn't affect gameplay.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
If the mount comes with a feature where you can invite a friend to ride with you, that would be great. Solo mounts for people escaping PvP, no thanks. LOL
I think most people who ask for mounts overlook the fact they all seam to ask for the Wow kind of mounts, this mean a nice skin on a speed buff.
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What? how have you come to that conclusion?
An impression from reading the thread, the last few pages at least.
I've seen many acknowledge the issue with "WOW style" mounts. Those are not the only type that have been available. Fallen Earth has a really good mount system in place, AOC's wasn't bad either. SWG also had a decent system in that mounts/vehicles stayed in the world once called. They could also serve as combat pets as well if properly trained.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I think most people who ask for mounts overlook the fact they all seam to ask for the Wow kind of mounts, this mean a nice skin on a speed buff.
So sure this kind of feature would be easy to make, and honestly Anet could probably add few at this point and it would neither add anything worth it to the game, neither it would take anything. But the fact is, would you want to have such a simplistic feature? I mean if you want mount at least ask to be able to fight on them, wouldn't it make more sense? Why ask for a crappy feature when it could be something good and fun to use? I mean i know probably most people never played anything than Wow, but damn it.
If people want better games than Wow they should try to ask something better, aren't you guys a bit fed up with that crap most mmo serve you? But you ask for more, i mean if you have to loose so much energy about crying, cry for something worth it, no?
The thing is a good mount feature is a lot of work, i mean they could probably do that in place of underwater combat for sure, but they didn't. I don't think they are that early in development to work now in such a difficult to implement feature either. Most dev team wouldn't want to risk to fuck their balance to make a good mount feature, people having some mmo experience knows it, believe me.
This discussion seam so useless tbh. I want my nice speed buff skin - but you don't need it - who care i like to slalom mobs. Jez... My little pony fan boys are taking over guys its not good. Mayday Mayday...
How do you come up with this? It is pure assumption on your part that when most of us say mounts we DON'T think mounts you can fight with. Frankly, I think if a game HAS mounts they should be useful in as many ways as possible and NOT "WoW-like." I'm quite sure I'm not the only person that thinks MORE when they think of mounts. In EQ2 we DO fight on mounts.
Regardless....ANet says "no mounts," so who really cares when it all boils down, at least for launch? We'll see what happens later, ya know?
How do you come up with this? It is pure assumption on your part that when most of us say mounts we DON'T think mounts you can fight with. Frankly, I think if a game HAS mounts they should be useful in as many ways as possible and NOT "WoW-like." I'm quite sure I'm not the only person that thinks MORE when they think of mounts. In EQ2 we DO fight on mounts.
Regardless....ANet says "no mounts," so who really cares when it all boils down, at least for launch? We'll see what happens later, ya know?
The biggest mistake people make as well as the one I see the most of, is assuming everyone thinks of WOW when they talk about MMO's.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
id be all for a guild owned zeppelin, kind of like a guild owned house but this way its pretty hard to run out of real estate space. ofcourse this wouldnt be active in the mists.
Not movement Mounts, anyway. Flying can be in WoW, Flyff, DOMO, whatever other MMO you wanna go play, whatever. Do that if that's what you want.
Now combat mounts, that actually matter and add to combat gameplay, oh heck yes.
Asura already have something like this in which they can Summon a Battle-suit Golem usable by anyone in the party.
Or the Elementalist fire Skill, calling down a Giant Flaming sword to use for 30 seconds. (Not really a mount, but changes the way you play with a "Environmental weapon".)
id be all for a guild owned zeppelin, kind of like a guild owned house but this way its pretty hard to run out of real estate space. ofcourse this wouldnt be active in the mists.
This, if they did flying vehicles of any kind this is what i would want. but it would have to be crewed to be at all effective one person for stearing left and right one for altitude and one for speed then the captain is given an overview of the area the zeppelin is in. never ever seen a game impliment something like this although i wouldnt expect that this would be implemented in gw2 considering the massive amount of work it would entail.
(on a side note/mostly irrelevant topic, i used to play construction mod in tribes 2 and thought a fps where you could also crew an airship/ spaceship of some kind would be awesome *and by crew i mean crew it in the way i described above* another pipe dream would be the ability to construct a massive ship like i did in tribes 2 and have it work and be run as i described)
p.s. sry for the off topic stuff ive held that idea in for so long it had to come out here since the on topic idea came from that
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Okay, now with the reasoning of exploration.....I agree. I take back my "it doesn't really matter" attitude about it. I will say I DO want mounts. But I still trust ArenaNet to ultimately do what's best for their game. I do think, for exploration, however, mounts would be very helpful, because I know I don't always feel like fighting through an entire zone just to explore it a bit. I guess we'll see.
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I do believe from what's been said and shown at the Demos, you can traverse nearly any area you so choose with minimum interactions toward the enviroment unless you choose to get involved.
Wait....
It's insulting to disagree with something ANet so graciously deemed us worthy of informing us about?
Do you worship these guys or something? Maybe a little shrine in your closet dedicated to ANet you daily pray to?
We are the bunny.
Resistance is futile.
''/\/\'''''/\/\''''''/\/\
( o.o) ( o.o) ( o.o)
(")("),,(")("),(")(")
argh well, nuff said on this topic, the people who want mounts are going to be bummed out YeaH!
Just play the game before speculating on what it needs or doesn't need.
If you need a mount even when the Dev team tells you that you don't need a mount ......well.......w/e......go play WoW
Well, no offense, but I think that's kind of silly. I doubt ArenaNet is personally offended that some people might want to see something in the game that isn't currently going to be available for launch, particularly if they are confident in their reasoning for not having it.
But let's assume for argument's sake that ArenaNet is very upset that people would question their wisdom and have differing viewpoints on their game. You also mentioned that this conversation is insulting to mmorpg.com as well as the people who read the thread. How so?
Well you do have to balance gameplay versus realism. At least in AoC, the mount animation has the mount look like they are coming from someplace and then you actually mount up. It serves the same function as the bammo presto type of mounting that WoW has but it fits into the world a heck of a lot better. Plus the actual riding physics that AoC (you can even fight while mounted) has is a lot more believable than WoW has. All I'm saying is that it should be at least the level of AoC rather the cosmetic speed boost as in WoW.
@Bigguss99
again, you give me pause.
if you ask a question and your given the answer, why would you ask it again.?
intellectually insulting.
when people loose site of what is respectfull, we are in a sad state
They said NO MOUNTS
so let's make a thread talking about mounts
you think mounts would be cool in GW2
what type of mount do you want in GW2?
They said NO MOUNTS
how many mounts do we get, later you know after launch?
can we buy mounts in the cash shop?
would you by mounts in the cash shop?
They said NO MOUNTS
ya but when you say no mounts you don't mean that right?
I think most people who ask for mounts overlook the fact they all seam to ask for the Wow kind of mounts, this mean a nice skin on a speed buff.
So sure this kind of feature would be easy to make, and honestly Anet could probably add few at this point and it would neither add anything worth it to the game, neither it would take anything. But the fact is, would you want to have such a simplistic feature? I mean if you want mount at least ask to be able to fight on them, wouldn't it make more sense? Why ask for a crappy feature when it could be something good and fun to use? I mean i know probably most people never played anything than Wow, but damn it.
If people want better games than Wow they should try to ask something better, aren't you guys a bit fed up with that crap most mmo serve you? But you ask for more, i mean if you have to loose so much energy about crying, cry for something worth it, no?
The thing is a good mount feature is a lot of work, i mean they could probably do that in place of underwater combat for sure, but they didn't. I don't think they are that early in development to work now in such a difficult to implement feature either. Most dev team wouldn't want to risk to fuck their balance to make a good mount feature, people having some mmo experience knows it, believe me.
This discussion seam so useless tbh. I want my nice speed buff skin - but you don't need it - who care i like to slalom mobs. Jez... My little pony fan boys are taking over guys its not good. Mayday Mayday...
Correction: they've said no mounts at launch, which doesn't mean no mounts ever. It only means they have things placed at a higher priority, it says nothing about what will be added down the road.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
What? how have you come to that conclusion?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Mounts should definitely be a feature. As well as a decent mounted combat system similar to AoC where you can get knocked off, etc and do basic attacks from the mount, and with the mount itself.
Instead of the movement speed buffs we see in the original Guild Wars, give us land mounts. ONLY LAND MOUNTS.
Flying mounts take away from the scope of the game too much IMO. Nothing crazy like 100% and higher increased speed, either, but realistic speeds of land mounts.
It is a fantasy setting... It only makes sense to have mounts, if you have Knights in armor, where the hell is my noble steed?! Raise them as pets, make it worthwhile. Give us the option to make stables where we can raise and sell certain types of mounts, make armor for them, etc. Breed our own mounts.
I mean think about it... It doesnt have to hinder "immersion" that much, with realistic land speeds, but instead add so greatly to the game. I mean where is the immersion in the fast travel system they have in place now. And all of the movement speed buffs in the first Guild Wars were pretty... meh.
When a man lies... he murders some part of the World.
Meh...;-p
Made me a lot of money in Guild Wars.
An impression from reading the thread, the last few pages at least.
Not really. It isn't important, and wouldn't affect gameplay.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
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If the mount comes with a feature where you can invite a friend to ride with you, that would be great. Solo mounts for people escaping PvP, no thanks. LOL
I've seen many acknowledge the issue with "WOW style" mounts. Those are not the only type that have been available. Fallen Earth has a really good mount system in place, AOC's wasn't bad either. SWG also had a decent system in that mounts/vehicles stayed in the world once called. They could also serve as combat pets as well if properly trained.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It isn't in a medieval setting.
Do you always eat at McDonalds?
How do you come up with this? It is pure assumption on your part that when most of us say mounts we DON'T think mounts you can fight with. Frankly, I think if a game HAS mounts they should be useful in as many ways as possible and NOT "WoW-like." I'm quite sure I'm not the only person that thinks MORE when they think of mounts. In EQ2 we DO fight on mounts.
Regardless....ANet says "no mounts," so who really cares when it all boils down, at least for launch? We'll see what happens later, ya know?
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
The biggest mistake people make as well as the one I see the most of, is assuming everyone thinks of WOW when they talk about MMO's.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
id be all for a guild owned zeppelin, kind of like a guild owned house but this way its pretty hard to run out of real estate space. ofcourse this wouldnt be active in the mists.
Do not want Mounts.
Not movement Mounts, anyway. Flying can be in WoW, Flyff, DOMO, whatever other MMO you wanna go play, whatever. Do that if that's what you want.
Now combat mounts, that actually matter and add to combat gameplay, oh heck yes.
Asura already have something like this in which they can Summon a Battle-suit Golem usable by anyone in the party.
Or the Elementalist fire Skill, calling down a Giant Flaming sword to use for 30 seconds. (Not really a mount, but changes the way you play with a "Environmental weapon".)
In short; Environmental Weapon = Mount
Boom!
I'm fine with mounts so long as they stay out of PvP all together.
This, if they did flying vehicles of any kind this is what i would want. but it would have to be crewed to be at all effective one person for stearing left and right one for altitude and one for speed then the captain is given an overview of the area the zeppelin is in. never ever seen a game impliment something like this although i wouldnt expect that this would be implemented in gw2 considering the massive amount of work it would entail.
(on a side note/mostly irrelevant topic, i used to play construction mod in tribes 2 and thought a fps where you could also crew an airship/ spaceship of some kind would be awesome *and by crew i mean crew it in the way i described above* another pipe dream would be the ability to construct a massive ship like i did in tribes 2 and have it work and be run as i described)
p.s. sry for the off topic stuff ive held that idea in for so long it had to come out here since the on topic idea came from that
If i can teleport to any hub i want then I don't need a mount.
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