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Gaming Graphics Issues????
Hello, recently i Purchased my first gaming computer from cyberpowerpc for about 1600 dollars. It has an Palit Sonic Pro version of the Nvidia 560 Ti, and i keep noticing some things in my graphics that i dont believe are right
1. The backround of my monitor is always in a way hazed and fuzzy, and when i look closer i see like a million tiny lines going down the screen. This occurs always.
2. When i try to override a higher anti aliasing setting onto a game, or a game that doesnt support anti aliasing it just makes the overall game look worse anti aliasing wise, or it just doesnt take any effect.
3. When i try to change graphical settings for programs through my nvidia control panel they dont take effect.
Any feedback or idea's to troubleshoot these problems are appreciated
Steps I have ALREADY taken to try and fix these issues- reinstall graphics driver, clean installation. Replace video card with same one [RMA], try different variations of settings on certain high end graphical games, etc.
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1. Sounds like a monitor problem
2. If you mean by changing AA from x2 to x4 on a supported game makes it worse, then this is just the lack of performance in your PC and you should never override AA onto a game that doesnt support it, obviously it wont work correctly.
3. Always change settings through the game directly, this is just a third party program and doesnt always carry over into every program because not everything is supported.
Just spitballing here - your graphics card could be receiving insufficient power. I've seen cases of the horizontal lines resulting from underpowered cards. The rest of the symptoms could be logically linked to that as well, I guess, but my disclaimer remains that I don't know this to be the truth.
Did you buy the monitor as well or is this a monitor you've had and it's known good? If you know the monitor works then chances are PWN is right on the money. You either have A: a cheap power supply and it's not pushing enough power on your video cards rail, or B: Your power supply is not strong enough to support your system overall. My advice is test to make sure it's not the monitor first. Should be fairly simple, connect it to a laptop or connect your pc to your tv and see if its still hazy. Try a differant cable, are you using an adapter for the cable? If it's not the monitor or cable then if you could tell us what the make and model is of the PS it would greatly help.
it probably is a color tool issue (take latest beta if you know what i mean)
and calibration issue!also make sure your gear is set at proper voltage level in bios for all your asparatus.
i doubt it is your computer itself,but out of the box most computer builder dont go out of their way to max the gear you buy they pretty much just screw things together and if it works move on!google calibration it goers a long way toward having expected look.
most issue you face someone faced before just google the game and issue together and you ll get lot of result on average unless it is a dark game
i would suggest you try setting it on a big brand game like rift or wow 7 day trial
just to make sure it isnt the game lot of game are bad at best out of the box and you got to tweak the file setting of the game (often via lod bias to -3,(max setting avail on average)or other ways.when you see a game default you to 12xx x 7xx!and you got a 1920x1080 1080p 23 inch you will probably have issue!
yes i know 1920x1080p 23 inch is the default for HD but go try to tell that to lot of mmo maker lol
I bought a brand new Acer HD monitor and the problem persisted. I also switched around multiple cables. My power supply is atleast 750W i think it may be 850. How high would i need ?
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A power supply from 550-650W would be plenty to power the 560. However, all the Palit 560 cards I've seen require 30 amps to the video card. Your card does have 2x6 power connectors correct? Are both of them plugged in? If so, have you switched them out with another PCI-e power connecter if your power supply has them? Post your make and model of the PS when you get a chance.
Model: Gamer Infinity 8800 Pro from cyberpowerpc
Specs: Intel Core i7k 2600K 3.40Ghz
8 gigs of ram
Palit Sonic, 560 Ti
800W extreme gear power supply
1 TB hard drive
On board HD audio.
If you need info on anything else let me know , I am trying hard to fix this problem before battlefield 3 comes out.
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Have you reseated the card in the bus? I would give that a bit of attention and see if you can't come away with an easy fix.
That's a big, big problem. The question is whether it is your only problem. Get a decent power supply and then try again. Either of these is a good value for the money:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371047
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020
I'm not sure what the maximum wattage that your power supply can safely deliver is. I can guarantee you that it's less than 800 W. It's probably under 600 W. It might be 0 W.
The power supply might be the only problem, and replacing it might fix your issues. Or the power supply might have originally been the only problem, but have since damaged other hardware. Or maybe the problem arose independently of the power supply, and the power supply hasn't caused problems yet, but likely will in the future. Regardless, you should replace your power supply immediately. I'd also advise against playing any real games until you do so.
I hesitated to suggest this because it's..well.. expensive and frustrating. If you happen to have a trusted power supply around the house with the requisite power connections, you can power the card separately with it to isolate the problem further.
Run only the 560 from the outlying psu and see if the problem persists.
Info on jumping a standalone PSU -
http://www.overclock.net/faqs/96712-how-jump-start-power-supply-psu.html
Did anyone think that maybe its the cable connecting the monitor to the PC?
Ok, so cable was suggested. To tired and lazy to read all of the posts lol.
On cyberpowerpc.com the minimum wat power supply that it would let me choose was 700W to power the palit nvidia 560 Ti, I couldnt see how picking 800 would be too much of a problem.
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A good 800 W power supply wouldn't be a problem. But you don't have a good 800 W power supply. For that matter, a good 500 W power supply wouldn't be a problem. But you don't have a good power supply of 500 W, or any other wattage.
You know what the nominal wattage rating on a power supply means? It's just a number that the company's marketing department decided to assign to the power supply. That's it. There is independent power supply testing done by Ecos Consulting to ensure that power supplies meet some minimum standards that really aren't very stringent. Even a lot of the power supplies that do meet those standards are best avoided. But yours can't even meet those standards.
Go here and read this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3985/three-550w-psus-for-different-prices
Or, perhaps, read this, just to get some idea of the sort of quality of product that you've got:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/12/17/diablotek_phd650_650w_power_supply_review/
Yeah, yeah, different brand, different power supply, whatever. It's fairly typical of the super low end cheap junk power supplies such as yours. Such power supplies rarely get reviewed by reputable sites, because their manufacturers won't send them in for a review, as they know that it will be harshly negative.
You need to replace your power supply by something of higher quality. That's not in questions. The open question is whether you also need to replace anything else. The longer you wait to replace your power supply, the more likely it is that your power supply won't be the only thing that you need to replace.
I wouldnt doubt what your talking about makes sense but i have NO idea what any of that means.
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The absolute worst part about CyberPowerPC is their power supply criteria.
To start with, an nVidia 560 requires a 500W power supply (http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs/geforce-gtx-560ti/specifications). But it requires a ~good~ at least 500W power supply. Most (but not all) of what CyperPowerPC offers are crappy, and can't deliver the number that they claim to be. So they make you shoot waaaay over the required in an effort to hope that if you buy a 700W power supply, your computer might pull 350W and it hopefully won't blow up on you because it will only be 1/2 way loaded.
They don't really look at if it's a quality power supply or not, they just put up any power supplies that a) They can sell fast (probably the only reason they even carry Corsair, because it's a well known and established enthusiast brand name), or b) has a big number on the sticker and they can mark it up for a crazy amount of profit (this is probably the one they "Made" you get).
Ok since the only thing i can possibly think of, is this "power supply" issue that is being created what power supply [ send link please] would you guys recommend for the PALIT nvidia 560 Ti. And if your just reading this please approve/dissapprove other peoples power supply suggestions, thanks everyone!
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Check the links I gave you in post #10 on this thread.
From what I read I had a similar problem a few years ago with my previous card a 7900GT, for me it was the card as I returned to the computer shop, they tested everything and their conclusion was it was my card that was bust, they replaced it with a 7950GTX as my 7900GT was out of stock and me being a good costumer in their shop they did me a big favour.
Didn't see anything wrong with your powersupply, that should be more then sufficient.
Don't asume just because it's new it will work 100% sometimes these things happen, so best advice I can give you is to let your retailer or if you have a comp.shop around to have a look at it before you try to do things some people seem to suggest.
So is having a little bit over the recommended minimum power supply good? Because im thinking of buying the 100 dollar one that you linked but it produces 650 W, the minimum recommended for palit sonic nvdia 560 Ti is 500. Would this be ok? or am i better off getting the 520.
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Chances are its not the Power supply considering ive had two go out on me and I never had stuff like that happen to me each time before they each died. I would think its the monitor, or driver issues with the card.
Yes, it's recommended(by more than just me! lol) that you have 15-20% overlap. 650 for a single 560 ti is plenty. My advice is to never skimp on the PSU as it is literally critical to EVERYTHING else and can cause the most trouble resulting in the most expenditure.
My power supply isnt going out, its just not enough to power the entire system i guess and its not enough to power the high graphical settings im asking for [ Someone approve that sentence lol ] but i cant see how it is the video card, if you didnt read i REPLACED the video cared, reinstalled rolled back uninstalled many drivers for troubleshooting, it is the most recent driver now, and even bought a new monitor so. Its gotta be this power supply.
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First off, power supplies are labeled poorly. What you really need are high amps and low voltage ripple under normal case conditions (50C and 85% load) - I can't think of a single power supply that actually gives you those numbers though. What they usually do is give you is combined watts under ideal conditions, and maybe amps under those conditions too, but almost never will they even mention ripple. The difference between ideal and "normal" case conditions can be huge on poorly constructed power supplies. So just buying more watts doesn't necessarily get you anything at all. The only way to really tell what you are getting are to look to sites that actually do real-world load testing. Which means you have to do some research.
The single worst thing you can do for electronic equipment is run it at lower than nominal voltage. To get the same amount of power, that means it has to draw more current. Current creates heat (called resistive losses), and it goes up exponentially as you increase current. Voltage ripple is one measurement of this: DC power is supposed to be a constant voltage, but in the real world it has a bit of a wave to it (because we create it from sinusoidal AC power). The more wave in it, the worse off it is, and that's a part of the time that your electronics are getting underpowered when the wave is low. It doesn't take much ripple to seriously damage components, and poor quality power supplies are notorious for horrible ripple, even at low loads. And that's assuming that it can even average the ripple around the proper voltage in the first place.
Everyone here is right, 750W (or 800, or whatever you have) would be more than enough for a 560Ti - in fact it's enough for two of them, but if that's a crappy power supply and it's going bad, it may still not be high enough quality. I tend to agree that 600-650W is kind of a sweet spot: it's enough to run nearly any combination of CPU and single Video Card without having too much excess to contribute to inefficiency. But a single 560Ti at stock speeds, with a non-overclocked CPU, can run just fine on as low as 500W (provided it's a good quality 500W).
Fortunately, Quizzical loves that stuff, and posts ~frequently~ (like in post #10) what some good names for power supplies, and good deals on those names, are.
Now, on to the actual problem:
There is a good chance that it isn't your power supply at all. The problem with power supplies is that when they start to go bad, there is no flashing light or beeping sound that tells you "Your power supply is going bad" - it's usually that 2-3 random and unconnected things blow up, and then after replacing them all and spending 3x what the computer is worth, the computer just stops turning on one day - and it was the power supply all along frying all those components left and right before it finally got to the point it couldn't turn on at all.
Unfortunately, the equipment to actually test a power supply under load is quite expensive. Very few computer review sites even have the appropriate test equipment to load and monitor a power supply. There is a lot more to them that if they just turn on or not.
So it's very possible that it could be the power supply, along with other components: the motherboard could be faulty, the RAM going bad (those are both very common to go with power supply problems). The power supply could be perfectly fine, and it was the motherboard all along. It could be a crappy power supply and now it's blown up a second video card. It could just be a bad power connection somewhere. These things are hard to diagnose, especially if you don't have some spare equipment laying around that you can just swap around and play with.
This is why high quality power supplies are so important - if you can't trust your power, you'll never be able to really "fix" your computer. Even a high quality power supply can fail, but if you have a 2% chance of failure, versus a 25% chance of failure, just by spending a little bit of extra money, I think I know what I would choose.
It is more than likely the piss poor power supply they put in your system.
Your power supply stinks and probably isnt enuff, despite what some people on here say. A bad power supply can cause some very strange things to happen on your computer and can end up damaging other components.
If you are smart you will upgrade power supply 1st no matter what, cause sooner or later the crappy one in there will go out if it hasnt already.
just my 2cp