Originally posted by Derros Originally posted by Verterdegete B2P or not, it can still steal players.
Most people will only subscribe to 1 MMO at a time. GW2 will not be competing for that spot, so its not as much of a threat to current MMOs Ask yourself, why do most people only play 1 mmo at a time? Hint: Money is not the answer, and the answer is in the question.
Because watching a video automatically means you know it'll be better/worse than x/y?
Instead of constantly putting comparisons out there and constantly saying x will crush y while z remains untouched, why don't you just be a gamer (and that's a stretch specification for most people) for once and play what you're happy with once you actually delve into it yourself? All these "open minded" people coming into conversations and immediately saying another game is so much better only makes you look really bad and invalidates most of your opinion. It's called being biased.
And since we're on the page of "Aw lawd gw2 iz godlie", you don't know that any better. It is also in an entirely separate market due to the fact it's got that whole "Buy it, play it to your hearts contents" thing going for it. Might as well start comparing GW2 to AC:R or another game that doesn't deserve to be judged early. At least, for once, you'd be carrying some sense of worth in your need to complain.
to be honest that vid does make it look pretty lame
Here's a challenge - to anyone/everyone -
Find a MMO gameplay video (one that doesn't use music) that looks exciting and fun?
And no, you can't use any kind of developer created edit job - has to be a video of an actual person just playing the game.
Any game.
Go!
Thank you for pointing that out. There isnt one (except the 20 gw2 fanbois that are about to reply with their mind blowing videos).. /sarcasm BUt really, I play MMOs for the persistent character building / social aspects... I play CoD or Street fighter IV or TF2 or something thats a real action game when I want to compete with other people..
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Thank you for pointing that out. There isnt one (except the 20 gw2 fanbois that are about to reply with their mind blowing videos).. /sarcasm BUt really, I play MMOs for the persistent character building / social aspects... I play CoD or Street fighter IV or TF2 or something thats a real action game when I want to compete with other people..
Some of the most mind-blowing, heart pounding MMO combat events I've been lucky enough to experience...
Would look like absolute garbage if I made a video of them and just narrated what was going on after the fact.
All the emotion is gone becuase you aren't there, playing it, doing it.
I'd go as far to say all of the crazy awesome FPS matches or RTS games would have the same effect... it's hard to "care" about watching someone else play a game...
Which is WHY developers do crazy edit jobs and insert emotion-inducing music and other cinematic tricks.
It's still boring to watch and their voice actors are sub-par compared to SWTOR. It cheapens the overall effect.
, but the mecvhanics look overall more solid, the animatiuons look much more fluid, and the enimies are not just waitung around, they come to you while you defend. i also want to make a point that everything shown was far eisier then it should be, for demoing reasons.
just looking at the video if you look past the way they are playing you can see the game mechanics, the things you will be playing with
one is new and you can tell has a more fluid nature to it
the other has the same old same old. not much has changed mechanicly from other games.
heres my challange to everyone.
make a list of Mechanical changes, and a side list of astetics.
you can say how it makes your game good, and you can say what machanics make you feel uneasy in your game, then do the same with the other game you are compairing it to.
It's still boring to watch and their voice actors are sub-par compared to SWTOR. It cheapens the overall effect.
, but the mecvhanics look overall more solid, the animatiuons look much more fluid, and the enimies are not just waitung around, they come to you while you defend. i also want to make a point that everything shown was far eisier then it should be, for demoing reasons.
just looking at the video if you look past the way they are playing you can see the game mechanics, the things you will be playing with
one is new and you can tell has a more fluid nature to it
the other has the same old same old. not much has changed mechanicly from other games.
heres my challange to everyone.
make a list of Mechanical changes, and a side list of astetics.
you can say how it makes your game good, and you can say what machanics make you feel uneasy in your game, then do the same with the other game you are compairing it to.
Animations look fuild because Anet didnt have to to make swords and crap connect, you can attack a guy from behind and nothing will happen to said person getting attack (Besides the usual jerk), In Swtor Bolts are reflected and light sabers connect also enemies and mobs move around and switch to swords when you get into range.
It's still boring to watch and their voice actors are sub-par compared to SWTOR. It cheapens the overall effect.
, but the mecvhanics look overall more solid, the animatiuons look much more fluid, and the enimies are not just waitung around, they come to you while you defend. i also want to make a point that everything shown was far eisier then it should be, for demoing reasons.
just looking at the video if you look past the way they are playing you can see the game mechanics, the things you will be playing with
one is new and you can tell has a more fluid nature to it
the other has the same old same old. not much has changed mechanicly from other games.
heres my challange to everyone.
make a list of Mechanical changes, and a side list of astetics.
you can say how it makes your game good, and you can say what machanics make you feel uneasy in your game, then do the same with the other game you are compairing it to.
Animations look fuild because Anet didnt have to to make swords and crap connect, you can attack a guy from behind and nothing will happen to said person getting attack (Besides the usual jerk), In Swtor Bolts are reflected and light sabers connect also enemies and mobs move around and switch to swords when you get into range.
that is easily made fluid in TOR. easily and still connect and still do everything. they just need to work on it, and its not any harder then making GW2 fluid
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Here is really what has me excited for this game - something my brother mentioned to me before as well:
Bioware has never run a live game. Sure, they've made sequels, and just look at the changes between games like DA 1-2 and ME 1-2.
Even though they've done sequels, they still ship games out as finished products.
And sure, they'll release DLC and such.
TOR is their first live game. Constant updates, additions, changes, fixes.... MMOs are never finished.
This is Bioware, releasing a game that will be added to and tweaked and fixed for years to come.
To me, that is super exciting.
Never ending iteration and addition to a Bioware title... amazing.
Seconded, what's this thread number 256, with that exact same title?
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
SW:TOR Compare MMO Quests, Combat and More...
to be honest that vid does make it look pretty lame
Most people will only subscribe to 1 MMO at a time. GW2 will not be competing for that spot, so its not as much of a threat to current MMOs
GW2 will crush the mmorpg market. The new videos with PvE and PvP content is mindblowing!! The combat is fast, fluid and dynamic = Action.
Ask yourself, why do most people only play 1 mmo at a time? Hint: Money is not the answer, and the answer is in the question.
BOOYAKA!
Here's a challenge - to anyone/everyone -
Find a MMO gameplay video (one that doesn't use music) that looks exciting and fun?
And no, you can't use any kind of developer created edit job - has to be a video of an actual person just playing the game.
Any game.
Go!
*this being said, I think some of the new Guild Wars 2 walk-through vids look pretty good.*
Looks fine, but, MMO's really aren't about action, I'd prefer it stayed that way.
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
SW:TOR Compare MMO Quests, Combat and More...
Exactly...
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
SW:TOR Compare MMO Quests, Combat and More...
Because watching a video automatically means you know it'll be better/worse than x/y?
Instead of constantly putting comparisons out there and constantly saying x will crush y while z remains untouched, why don't you just be a gamer (and that's a stretch specification for most people) for once and play what you're happy with once you actually delve into it yourself? All these "open minded" people coming into conversations and immediately saying another game is so much better only makes you look really bad and invalidates most of your opinion. It's called being biased.
And since we're on the page of "Aw lawd gw2 iz godlie", you don't know that any better. It is also in an entirely separate market due to the fact it's got that whole "Buy it, play it to your hearts contents" thing going for it. Might as well start comparing GW2 to AC:R or another game that doesn't deserve to be judged early. At least, for once, you'd be carrying some sense of worth in your need to complain.
Carry on.
Thank you for pointing that out. There isnt one (except the 20 gw2 fanbois that are about to reply with their mind blowing videos).. /sarcasm BUt really, I play MMOs for the persistent character building / social aspects... I play CoD or Street fighter IV or TF2 or something thats a real action game when I want to compete with other people..
90% of those hundreds of hours of gampley you'll be spending instanced.That's enough to put me off.
This is false, and has been proven to be false by people who actually played the game extensively.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Is there confirmation of this, or is this speculation?
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
SW:TOR Compare MMO Quests, Combat and More...
From the gameplay videos we have seen, the exact opposite is true.
Some of the most mind-blowing, heart pounding MMO combat events I've been lucky enough to experience...
Would look like absolute garbage if I made a video of them and just narrated what was going on after the fact.
All the emotion is gone becuase you aren't there, playing it, doing it.
I'd go as far to say all of the crazy awesome FPS matches or RTS games would have the same effect... it's hard to "care" about watching someone else play a game...
Which is WHY developers do crazy edit jobs and insert emotion-inducing music and other cinematic tricks.
It's confirmed to be nothing but speculation. : )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP17RfcWmFw
yeah, I just did that :P
+both low lvl content to be fair;)
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
It's still boring to watch and their voice actors are sub-par compared to SWTOR. It cheapens the overall effect.
That wasn't a very good showcase for GW2 but I agree entirely.
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, but the mecvhanics look overall more solid, the animatiuons look much more fluid, and the enimies are not just waitung around, they come to you while you defend. i also want to make a point that everything shown was far eisier then it should be, for demoing reasons.
just looking at the video if you look past the way they are playing you can see the game mechanics, the things you will be playing with
one is new and you can tell has a more fluid nature to it
the other has the same old same old. not much has changed mechanicly from other games.
heres my challange to everyone.
make a list of Mechanical changes, and a side list of astetics.
you can say how it makes your game good, and you can say what machanics make you feel uneasy in your game, then do the same with the other game you are compairing it to.
Flash=/=Substance, Remove the good graphics and you really had nothing special. As a matter of fact it kinda looked like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX3RYqFufUQ&feature=related
Animations look fuild because Anet didnt have to to make swords and crap connect, you can attack a guy from behind and nothing will happen to said person getting attack (Besides the usual jerk), In Swtor Bolts are reflected and light sabers connect also enemies and mobs move around and switch to swords when you get into range.
Honestly I don't really care about the combat
as long as the story is not unoriginal copy paste rise and repeat
I will be fine.
Btw they have never promised thrilling adrenalin-rush like combat as far as I know.
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that is easily made fluid in TOR. easily and still connect and still do everything. they just need to work on it, and its not any harder then making GW2 fluid