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Ding*ding*ding we have a winner.
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they havent published anything official as far as im aware, so the only thing i have is anecdotal, and .. im not entirely convinced they have that many either.. but.. giving them the benefit of the doubt.. at least until some evidence is found to the contrary.
I was hoping for something new, something to capture the sandbox SW feel.
The latest TOR SDCC videos, E3 before that, all have just driven home to myself and my guild/clan mates that SW:TOR is just isn't for us.
I wish it all the best, the SW universe has long long been one of my favorites, but I see dire things coming. More and more SW:TOR is looking like the same old tired game with blaster cannons instead of 2H swords and polearms, Mandoloran armor instead of Chainmail, Force instead of Mana, etc...
And well, the Voice overs instead of Quest text, and cut scenes galore, just fail to thrill me.
Best of luck
How many more of these post must we endure? Let's just wait until the game launches and see what happens.
This needs to be repeated over and over on these forums, since it never really does sink in.
Lol i like "ford" better than third.
wow isnt number one according to xfire !the title would go to lol(league of legend)
i was so surprised i was like wtf it is a dota game cant really be considered an mmo
but there you have it it is still the most popular on xfire
so does this mean the issue at hand is the pvpve,the fairness of play etc?
could be so saying swtor is doomed is gona be premature for a long while yet(since the release isnt even close to date lol
one thing is sure swtor will get a run for its money if they try to release at same time as gw2!
gw1 gave a scare to blizzard for a long while before they announced too early the futur release of gw2!
ROFL thx you jerk, I spit my soda all over my desk.
how many cutscenes can you endure in a 2 hour gaming session.. where just about every npc convo seems to be one, with vote for joe options thrown in ...
Same but with tea. Lol.
<---Still waiting for the New Ultima Online 3D world Sandbox MMO....
/wishful thinking
I tried Rift...got to level 28....then sat there and thought: "This is WoW and Warhammer Online mixed together" and promptly un-installed.
But that's just me.
"My Fantasy is having two men at once...
One Cooking and One Cleaning!"
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"A good man can make you feel sexy,
strong and able to take on the whole world...
oh sorry...that's wine...wine does that..."
When did Rift flop.?
hehe its topics like this that make me never want to say anything in posts. Guy has know idea what he is talking about. xD RIFT was amazingly sucessful and know one even really knew about it. It just came out of the wood work during closed beta. xD And to compare and IP that is 30+ years old with a idea that was thought up 5 years ago is funny as hell.
what is your definition of flop? Rift may not be pulling in the numbers that WoW is but to be honest it'll be a long time before anyone dethrones blizzard. On the otherhand nothing is wrong with free trial, discounted game etc...wow did the same thing even when its subscriber base broke 1m. its pretty much standard in todays day and age for MMOs to offer such things as that. Its also pretty silly that players keep saying "wow clones" as though wow was an original idea
back on the topic of sw:tor....i think the game will be fine. it'll probably pull starwars fans, gamers tired of their current mmo, wouldn't be surprised to see wow sub drop atleast for a little while while gamers decide to give this game a try. Also, Bioware has its own little fanbase that will try the game to decide if they like it or not. It's up to bioware to release a polished game rather then doing a quick release and letting down players.
Being a good game is not the measure of success, I'm afraid. 10 million subs is. That's the way this industry thinks nowadays. Never mind that WoW is in many ways a fluke.
The only success that matters, ultimately, is the number of subs. That's the yardstick.
By that standard, Rift utterly failed, as everything else has. Unless SWToR gets millions of subscribers, it too will be perceived as a flop.
This sucks, it has nothing to do with the inherent quality of the game itself.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
Rift did not fail because it is a financial success, that is the definition of success in this industry. Hell, that is success in any industry. Game development is a business and companies are out to earn money, which Trion is doing, thus making it a success. I don't know where you got your information (off the top of your head) but I have not seen anything to indicate Trion is not making money from their game. A good game to you is not a good game to everyone, and the same applies to everyone else. It does not matter if you do not like a game; if people play it and the company is earning money, it is a success. Saying that a game is good based on your pre-concieved notion that every MMORPG needs 10 million subs to be successful is an opinion, not a fact.
Dissapointing Troll thread. Enough said.
I hardly doubt that and not even once i saw any statement by any company/critics or otherwise that 'hey so and so MMO failed to get 10 million player so it is a flop'. Quite silly statement if you ask me.
If i go by your logic every MMO is a failure in recent time except for WOW. Don't try to pass your own opinion as industries standard unless you got some data to prove it or you are some insider in MMO industry.
that's like saying most if not all the people that come to these forums have failed in life because we don't have as much money as bill gates does
sure, rift may not be making the kind of money blizzard is making every month in subs but no other MMO in the market is. i think i read an article in one of those pc gamers mags that was saying a something like 250k active subscribers makes an MMO successful. I'll try and look look it up and post a link when i get home from work.
or unintentionally accurate. In that SWTOR will flop in exactly the way Rift did(n't).
Yes, I was there when the fanbois were talking up Rift as going to have "north of 5 million subs". Sure, it was dumb, and I seriously doubt the devs were projecting those sort of numbers. But they still had a great launch and retention has been pretty decent. Definitely a short term success for the moment.
The sad thing is, for any number of people out there, unless you're as wealthy as Bill Gates, you're a failure. It's the only way they measure success.
Just making a profit is not enough anymore, and hasn't been for the last 30 or so years. Corporations shut down profitable divisions because they're not as profitable as others.
This is a sick reality of this society we live in. It needs to change, but it will take a massive "significant emotional event" for it to happen.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
Ok big man, please buy yourself a nice first class plane ticket and fly down to Bioware Austin. PLEASE tell the 10+ year game developers down there that they are doing it all wrong. PLEASE explain to them how to make a MMO because they are obvously missing something.
Oh and by the way, it is NOT a wow cone, NOT a wow copy. It is the standard of the MMO market today to create similar games because it has the nostalgic feel to it and it is not hard to learn a new interface (regarding the player of the game). SWTOR will play completly different than WoW. Plus there are full Voice Overs...Pretty sure WoW doesn't have anything close to that.
The OP has all corners covered, he's played every MMO, he also uses the word flop the appropriate way ( we use it the wrong way). With this much proof how can we argue with him? We lose.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
WoW Fanboi in a troll skin?
Thi is such a failed logic. If SWTOR will flop how is it going to help AAA sandbox MMOS when sandbox is still a very niche market? themepark MMOS are the safest bet and somehow you think SWTOR's failure will help you get a AAA sandox MMO?
Brain explodes.