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  • IcemastaIcemasta Member UncommonPosts: 162

    Originally posted by BizkitNL

    I guess FULL PvP includes the GM's as well :).

     

    Seriously though: When an exploit is suspected, it HAS to be handled afterwards, without this kind of intervention. Last thing you want (As a developer) is for people to hold back on sieges due to possible exploits and GM's raining death on everyone.

    It's like their staff is comprised of 14-year olds.

    Pretty much. I mean imagine the following scenario. We raid in, we break the catapults on top of the keep, we loot everything, shit now what. The door isn't dead yeah and we could log out on top again (where after a while GMs will act and say "Wtf, this was a bug" reimburse AQ for the losses and teleport players out and no shitstorm.

    In the second scenario, We keep the keep closed and build catapults outside to break it, @ 22 million HP, doing 10k damage per boulder, it will take 2200 boulders, which is pretty intense boulder hauling, giving more than enough time for AQ to run in and try to interrupt us by mounting an assault while we're mostly offline. Once again, given a couple hours to know wtf happened, the players would have been way more supportive of the actions, plus we would have had our thrills of blowing the crap out of a keep and we'd just say "Hah, we'll just do it again!"

    I think one of the reason people call corruption here is the pace that things happened. One can assume the overreaction is linked to an attachment between the GM and the keep itself, so that he was really biased in some way, so there you have a reason to call corruption, even if there might be none.

  • osmundaosmunda Member Posts: 1,087

    Originally posted by RedRocket

    No no, I don't believe everything he previously said is a lie. I know that, as a fact. Because I read the stuff he usually announces or "explains".

    And you "know" everything he previously said is a lie as a fact because ?

     

    As to "It also appeared that a member of the attacking force had managed to logout inside of the keep and open the door." ...  if you don't want to play, then don't.  I'm not trying to convince you to play the game.  I'm just saying that Black Opal was describing what was suspected in the heat of the moment, NOT what they determined to be the case after evaluating the situation.

  • RedRocketRedRocket Member CommonPosts: 154

    Originally posted by osmunda

    Originally posted by RedRocket

    No no, I don't believe everything he previously said is a lie. I know that, as a fact. Because I read the stuff he usually announces or "explains".

    And you "know" everything he previously said is a lie as a fact because ?

    Alright, alright.

     

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  • IcemastaIcemasta Member UncommonPosts: 162

    Originally posted by osmunda

    "It also appeared that a member of the attacking force had managed to logout inside of the keep and open the door."

     

    He is not saying that someone did log out inside the keep, he saying that it appeared that way (i.e. Discord assumed that it was an exploit, not an error that  he had introduced himself.)

    well I guess he didn't lie this times, just wanted to try to poke a hole in the no lie drama :P, since people lie so often they don't even realize it sometimes. Technically, if I could find the quote on the forums stating "Gms will no longer intervene directly upon the game unless enough evidence is provided" which was posted after the RUS saga and the macro/bot drama. IE botting is allowed in the game because they can't ultimately prove you're botting and just not looking at the chat.

     

    Still doesn't change the fact that it was badly handled.

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Member UncommonPosts: 4,775

    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

    I think you have to look at this in the context that it is NOT an isolated incident and these pop up every month or two.  Especially after the announcement on how GMs would never interfere again...

     

     

    So much for that.

     

    Yeah, this is what I thought when I saw this. If this were an isolated incident those defending the GM's may have had a point but with the frequency of this kind of thing in MO they don't especially when they stated that after the last shitstorm that it wouldn't happen again.... yet here we are reading yet another of these threads about the same type of GM interference. 

     

    Take a good long look at those defending MO and the GM's on this, no sane person would be without something to gain.

    This was wrong, it's happened before, they promised it wouldn't but apparently they lied, there is no excuse for this kind of thing. These are all undeniable truths. 

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875

    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

      

    Let me ask a very... very... simple question.  Instead of porting people.. killing people...  was it not possible for a GM to simply make a server announcement telling them to immediately stop?  Wouldn't that be better than... you know.. insta-killing players with GM powers without warning (and not reimbursing for the lost gear)? Did they make that announcement and it just not get seen?  Because I watched the video and I didn't see it but I wasn't really looking for it.   I mean, it's not like this stuff (GM interference) never happened before.. as a matter of fact, it happens just about anytime a keep is attacked, which was why the "big announcement" was made that they would NOT do this any longer...   So much for that... I guess it went the way of Tindrem, and magic schools, and UO bags, trade tools, taverns, Heat system, functioning AI, and sending working "release" CDs to people that bought them a year or two ago...

     

     

    Hmm... no responses on that.. wonder why...

     

     

    Anyhow, it's NOT LIKE THIS HASN'T HAPPENED repeatedly before...  and as they say:

    Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

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  • RedRocketRedRocket Member CommonPosts: 154

    Originally posted by deathshroud

     this is so untrue i just dont know what to say, please quote black opal saying something that was proven to be a lie?

    lolwut

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875

    Originally posted by deathshroud

     this is so untrue i just dont know what to say, please quote black opal saying something that was proven to be a lie?

     Shall we simply start with this?

     

     


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    Remember when he said that one year after release they couldn't send the discs to their customers that were waiting over a year for them?  Because they were too busy.. and didn't want to disappoint the customers.....


     


    Is there ANYONE who believes that to be the truth?   I mean.. even SV made him take that post down quickly and then lock/delete the thread like it never happened.


     


    Anyhow.. whether the community manager is a liar or not is really irrelevant to this thread... what matter is that there is yet ANOTHER instance of poor GM behavior directly influencing a major conflict in the game..

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  • SaunakillerSaunakiller Member Posts: 57
    ROFLMAO!!! Slapshot you REALLY can't have a life outside your hate to MO. Which normal person saves info like this!?!? Even though your right here, but does any1 in this day and age care about a stupid disc that was way outdated either way? No, except for you then ofc. Funny as hell you are!!! *talks like Yoda*
  • KelthiusKelthius Member UncommonPosts: 298

    I was following this game for a long time before it was released but I still haven't tried it. Smart move on my part. I hate hearing this kind of shit.

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  • DreCat11DreCat11 Member Posts: 33

    Originally posted by Saunakiller

    ROFLMAO!!! Slapshot you REALLY can't have a life outside your hate to MO. Which normal person saves info like this!?!? Even though your right here, but does any1 in this day and age care about a stupid disc that was way outdated either way? No, except for you then ofc. Funny as hell you are!!! *talks like Yoda*

    So your telling me the EXTRA 30 dallors I paid for the box verison is wasted? Who cares about 30 dallors?

    If you dont, then i dont mind taking 30 dollar's from you. They promised and failed failed again and again.

    They cheated their own players and you expect everyone to be happy?

    Plus with all this shit going on in game, with dupes, exploits, and GM corruption.

    We mad cause we supported this game and GOT SCAMMED

    simple as that

  • seabeastseabeast Member Posts: 748

    No, I am not going back, this is the same stuff that went down 5 months ago when my clan was a part of an attack. Walls were put up and it was discovered that the GM who was a member of the other clan was doing it. Nothing new here.

    My main complaint is the GM's keep saying they are sorry but repay nothing. Any know how hard it is to get  50 dudes online at the same time and motivated, organized, armed and out the door for an attack? No way, my love for MO is gone and nothing will help it return. Fool me once, same on you. FOOL  me twice......

  • MoreplexMoreplex Member Posts: 472

    When are people gonna learn the game lacks any of the proper tools to do anything like having a siege.  That is why you have GMs that really do not know what they hell they are doing from week to week.  One week it is ok to log out in chaos keep one week it isnt alowed in AQ keep.  here is a good response from someone in the poll for having a catapult on top of a keep and I can not agree more.

     




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    Such a broken game... It's amazing how you guys keep tolerating such broken stuff... SV is lucky to have such a dedicated fanbase.



    Anyway, on the topic, clearly, it should be allowed and there should clearly be counters (such as destroying the door). Key word being "should".



    It reminds me of when there was scandals because people would shoot arrows through palisade slits...



    Didn't Henrik himself said he was planning to let players build somekind of defensive weapons on walls or something like that a couple months ago?



    Anyway, this war just shows how broken the game is and how it cruelly lacks proper war, siege and territory capture mechanics. Not to mention that it doesn't support large battles.



     


     


    Go through all the bullet points of the "features" they have in game, and in some way or another it is a place holder, bugged to hell, not working as intended,  bugged to hell, or disabled. 

  • SaunakillerSaunakiller Member Posts: 57
    Originally posted by DreCat11


    Originally posted by Saunakiller

    ROFLMAO!!! Slapshot you REALLY can't have a life outside your hate to MO. Which normal person saves info like this!?!? Even though your right here, but does any1 in this day and age care about a stupid disc that was way outdated either way? No, except for you then ofc. Funny as hell you are!!! *talks like Yoda*

    So your telling me the EXTRA 30 dallors I paid for the box verison is wasted? Who cares about 30 dallors?

    If you dont, then i dont mind taking 30 dollar's from you. They promised and failed failed again and again.

    They cheated their own players and you expect everyone to be happy?

    Plus with all this shit going on in game, with dupes, exploits, and GM corruption.

    We mad cause we supported this game and GOT SCAMMED

    simple as that

     

    You didn't pay any extra for it. You paid for the game and was suppose to get the cd disc in a lame ass box. You got the game through DL, since the disc was out of date anyhow. And if you hate the game so much, why want a stupid disc? I don't say that it was right done by SV, but to stire up a storm over that stupid disc is just stupid. Who gives... And bringing that old thing up as a argument and having saved the quote on your computer for times like these makes Slapshot a hilarious character. Even if he's "right". And I've read back on alot of his 2000 comments or so on MO. The guy is obsessed with kicking on SV and MO on a bad spot. Even when they lay down after having stupid GMs doing their bidding. That Discord guy has to go, and Slapshot needs a new hobby...
  • MoreplexMoreplex Member Posts: 472

    Originally posted by Moreplex

    When are people gonna learn the game lacks any of the proper tools to do anything like having a siege.  That is why you have GMs that really do not know what they hell they are doing from week to week.  One week it is ok to log out in chaos keep one week it isnt alowed in AQ keep.  here is a good response from someone in the poll for having a catapult on top of a keep and I can not agree more.

     




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    Such a broken game... It's amazing how you guys keep tolerating such broken stuff... SV is lucky to have such a dedicated fanbase.



    Anyway, on the topic, clearly, it should be allowed and there should clearly be counters (such as destroying the door). Key word being "should".



    It reminds me of when there was scandals because people would shoot arrows through palisade slits...



    Didn't Henrik himself said he was planning to let players build somekind of defensive weapons on walls or something like that a couple months ago?



    Anyway, this war just shows how broken the game is and how it cruelly lacks proper war, siege and territory capture mechanics. Not to mention that it doesn't support large battles.



     


     


    Go through all the bullet points of the "features" they have in game, and in some way or another it is a place holder, bugged to hell, not working as intended,  bugged to hell, or disabled. 

     

     

     

    I am glad I copy and pasted this it was deleted pretty quick.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875

    Originally posted by Saunakiller

     

    You didn't pay any extra for it. You paid for the game and was suppose to get the cd disc in a lame ass box. You got the game through DL, since the disc was out of date anyhow. And if you hate the game so much, why want a stupid disc? I don't say that it was right done by SV, but to stire up a storm over that stupid disc is just stupid. Who gives... And bringing that old thing up as a argument and having saved the quote on your computer for times like these makes Slapshot a hilarious character. Even if he's "right". And I've read back on alot of his 2000 comments or so on MO. The guy is obsessed with kicking on SV and MO on a bad spot. Even when they lay down after having stupid GMs doing their bidding. That Discord guy has to go, and Slapshot needs a new hobby...

    1st for the record that disc cost $30 more than the digital copy (guestimate.. can't be bothered to look it up).  So yeah, if they wanted to refund the difference between the disc version and digital that would be great, but they haven't.

    2nd Umm...  I hate to break it to you and ruin your impression here, but it's not "saved on my computer".  It's this newfangled technology they just came out with called "forum search button".   In this case: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4174934#4174934

     

    Anyhow, now that I have explained the seemingly magical way I found the post.. let's get back to the topic at hand since the quote was only brought up in response to a challenge to find previous lies by the CM

     

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  • BenthonBenthon Member Posts: 2,069

    Originally posted by Saunakiller

    That Discord guy has to go, and Slapshot needs a new hobby...

     As opposed to you.. posting on the same website, the same forums, the same thread. Sounds like you should leave his hobby alone. It's fun for him (and me, personally).

    He who keeps his cool best wins.

  • RedempRedemp Member UncommonPosts: 1,136

    Originally posted by osmunda

    "It also appeared that a member of the attacking force had managed to logout inside of the keep and open the door."

     

    He is not saying that someone did log out inside the keep, he saying that it appeared that way (i.e. Discord assumed that it was an exploit, not an error that  he had introduced himself.)

     I've been playing MO again for the last few weeks, for anyone else who plays you get it ,  for those who don't ... its a never ending struggle against bugs and exploits.

     

    The only thing in all of this that pisses me off is this isn't the first time the whole " someone glitched into my keep, logged out then opened the door" bit has been documented. The same exploit that Discord reacted so strongly to was witnessed by Gm's at earlier keep attacks, assests were lost and NOTHING was done.

    Under the above premise, even if Discord did thought that SS was exploiting ( Video seems pretty cut and dry) , why the flip flop? People have been glitching into keeps and opening the doors since I got back ... and not one response from a GM.

    /shrug -- You can only bash your head against a wall for so long, this fiasco aside .... the bugs and lack of support for large conflict is killing the game.

  • deathshrouddeathshroud Member Posts: 1,366

    the disc does work so what is the point of this arguemnt? we asked the gms to watch the siege carefully they knew nobody could have possibly gotten into the keep throguh any means other than exploiting because they were watching the keep at the time. they however didnt realise that when 1 of the gms had been checking the players logged out within the keep it had unlocked the keep doors which resulted in ss getting in with them thinknig exploit.

    there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  • DreCat11DreCat11 Member Posts: 33

    Originally posted by Saunakiller

    Originally posted by DreCat11

    Originally posted by Saunakiller

    ROFLMAO!!! Slapshot you REALLY can't have a life outside your hate to MO. Which normal person saves info like this!?!? Even though your right here, but does any1 in this day and age care about a stupid disc that was way outdated either way? No, except for you then ofc. Funny as hell you are!!! *talks like Yoda*

    So your telling me the EXTRA 30 dallors I paid for the box verison is wasted? Who cares about 30 dallors?

    If you dont, then i dont mind taking 30 dollar's from you. They promised and failed failed again and again.

    They cheated their own players and you expect everyone to be happy?

    Plus with all this shit going on in game, with dupes, exploits, and GM corruption.

    We mad cause we supported this game and GOT SCAMMED

    simple as that

     

    You didn't pay any extra for it. You paid for the game and was suppose to get the cd disc in a lame ass box. You got the game through DL, since the disc was out of date anyhow. And if you hate the game so much, why want a stupid disc? I don't say that it was right done by SV, but to stire up a storm over that stupid disc is just stupid. Who gives... And bringing that old thing up as a argument and having saved the quote on your computer for times like these makes Slapshot a hilarious character. Even if he's "right". And I've read back on alot of his 2000 comments or so on MO. The guy is obsessed with kicking on SV and MO on a bad spot. Even when they lay down after having stupid GMs doing their bidding. That Discord guy has to go, and Slapshot needs a new hobby...

    Ummm lets see a digital copy was 30 dollars less than the box, hmmmmmmmmm i didnt pay extra at all

    your math makes perfect sence, i got the game but paid 30 dallors more for a box with a cd and other shit and i didnt get it but its okay i only paid 30 dallors more,maybe with your math SV hasnt done anything wrong.

     

    get my point

  • deathshrouddeathshroud Member Posts: 1,366

    the DISC WORKS. If you didnt get the disc contact sv.

    there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  • MoreplexMoreplex Member Posts: 472

    The point is the game lacks the proper tools and is so broken that if you want to have a fight with more than 5 people you need to have a GM around.  And when you have that GM around be prepaired for him to make a retarded call.  I have never ever played a game where you had to contact a GM during a siege to make sure the other side was not cheating.

     

    Listen to any youtube video during a siege GMS are called most of the time.  This game is 14 months past release.  Lets not kid ourselves it is a paid Alpha.

  • deathshrouddeathshroud Member Posts: 1,366

    more than 25 people in a fight and problems start to arise, thats true. But having a gm aronud was only necesary due to the buggy houses and keeps currently.

    there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  • MoreplexMoreplex Member Posts: 472

    Originally posted by deathshroud

    more than 25 people in a fight and problems start to arise, thats true. But having a gm aronud was only necesary due to the buggy houses and keeps currently.

    The houses and Keeps have been Buggy since they were introduced what is new?

  • osmundaosmunda Member Posts: 1,087

    Originally posted by Icemasta

    Still doesn't change the fact that it was badly handled.

    No argument there. Even from Black Opal's account of events, it sounds like they think it was badly handled. As to the statement about GM's not intervening in the game in the future, they probably just shouldn't have said it.  Sometimes, that type of rapid response is needed. (Not this time though)

    Just some critics of MO seem to argue the worst possible case for every situation.

    When even an admission of error/fault is met with accusations that it's just a cover for corruption, why should a developer be open about any problems?

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