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Final Fantasy XIV: Auto Attack Reform

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126

Final Fantasy XIV devs have put up a new article featuring a look at upcoming changes to the Auto Attack System. Among other reforms, the most compelling is the removal of the stamina system in favor of the overhauled auto attack feature. Devs have detailed how those changes will be implemented in the next patch as well as subsequent patches.

Auto-attack functionality will be prioritized in 1.18. Changes such as battle algorithm revisions, attack motion diversification, and peripheral motion tweaks are scheduled to take place in 1.19 and subsequent patches.

Attack Delivery

1.18 will introduce auto-attack in its basic form, which will permit Disciples of War and Magic to deliver a single strike (double for pugilists) each time it activates. Future patches will usher in multiple attacks, the activation rate of which will be determined by actions, traits, and items.

Read the full developer post on the Final Fantasy XIV Lodestone.

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  • IkkeiIkkei Member Posts: 169

    Awesome feature. I'm sure FF XIV 1.84 will be a great game, ready for release.

  • zanfirezanfire Member UncommonPosts: 951

    it wont be ready for another year realisticly, but il bet yah they start charing by the end of fall.

  • dreamscaperdreamscaper Member UncommonPosts: 1,592

    This game needed many things, but auto-attack was not one of them. TP and stamina usage needed to be streamlined, and latency and interface lag needed to be looked at, but the combat system was one of the really neat things about the game. Unfortunately, they're rebuilding the game according to what the players on the forums are screaming for - FFXI-2.

    <3

  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,063

    whoa they changed the combat setting now to look like all teh other games, they really are that desperate, and for the comment here the main issues they still not work on it.

    FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money.
  • alakramalakram Member UncommonPosts: 2,294

    I recently bought FFXIV, dont know why they ganhe the combat, is one of the things I liked, but lets wait and see how the new system works.



  • pfloydguy84pfloydguy84 Member UncommonPosts: 146

    How is auto attack going to make this game more fun?The classes and skills are boring as hell and unoriginal and mixing diff classes skills together is useless for the most part.All that needs to be fixed before anything.

    It's amazing how much they need to add to this game before it's even average.Seriously, they are adding basic mmorpg features in every patch, it's pathetic.

  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,602

    Really?  Auto attack...a story on it even?  Shut it down. Update FFXI because you are just embarrassing yourself at this point.

  • ZizouXZizouX Member Posts: 670

    I'm holding my breath on all this.

     

    I came back a month ago and took Marauder from 33 to 46.  I like the small changes, but that's just it, they're too small and have been trickling in.

     

    However, the new director, Yoshi-P, has done an amazing job of communicating.  He outlines what they're working on, he tells us when it will be released and why theyr'e doing what they're doing.  Yoshi-P has said the new battle system is the starting point for all other content.  They can't design dungeons, boss fights, and combat quests without first finalizing the combat.

     

    They have said that content will be released at a faster pace as soon as the combat is finalized.  I'm not in any hurry.  I have a family and a career.  I like the process of building an mmo.  I don't like mouse wheel/carrot on a stick mmos anymore (Rift/WoW).   I'm also realistic, if this game doesn't show me promise by the end of September, then I hve GW2 and SWTOR to look forward to.  

     

    I'm not married to any mmo, though I really love that SE is trying to get this back on track.... WOULD hate to see a truely different mmo go by the wayside.  This game has potential, it remains to be seen if that potential is EVER realized.  

     

    LASTLY - Yoshi-P has said that they feel PS3 release is the make or break it for FFXIV.  I believe as soon as its released for PS3, they will start charging a monthly fee.  If the game doesn't take off at that point (i.e. 200-300k subscriber base) then it's time to move on, for everyone's sake, and that includes SE.

  • RyukanRyukan Member UncommonPosts: 710

    Originally posted by pfloydguy84

    How is auto attack going to make this game more fun?The classes and skills are boring as hell and unoriginal and mixing diff classes skills together is useless for the most part.All that needs to be fixed before anything.

    It's amazing how much they need to add to this game before it's even average.Seriously, they are adding basic mmorpg features in every patch, it's pathetic.

     Pretty much, yeah. None of the changes to the game so far sound like it would be any less un-fun than it is now. Actually I found the core game (and everything else) to be so mind nubmingly boring, grindy, repetitive and unimmersive that it will never be something I will want to play.

    I have to laugh at the earlier comment that it will take another year before it is ready but that they will start charging  in the fall. They bascially have to, or admit defeat and shut the game down. By then there will be some good new MMO's out and they will be lucky if they can actually get enough people to pay for it and not have to shut it down.

  • MisterSrMisterSr Member UncommonPosts: 928

    This is not the improvement people wanted, people wanted finished content, more content. I liked the battle system versus FFXI, I hated the camps, lack of fluid story quests like FFXI, lacks of chocobos which us just a staple of any FF game, the fact that not all content like Ishgard was available at launch, the fact that there are only 5 areas, 2 of those which you don't really play in till level 40+, and the lack of the various activities which FFXI had, like pankration, chocobo racing, and mog houses. The game is beautiful but lacks the substance that FF offered, the MMO industry is suffering because games lack substance and unique game design. FFXIV had unique game design but it needed a plethora of content more just to meet the minimum of what players considered acceptable. I despise this change to the game because it doesn't touch on any of the issues which are gamebreaking and actually servers to be more of a game breaker. Alas, I will wait till it is released to see if my feelings are valid, but I believe they are. For all the steps this game is taking in the right direction they just veered slightly off course... 

  • Dionysus187Dionysus187 Member Posts: 302

    I gave up on this game when they made groups smaller. My playstyle is 'raider' unless the game I am playing is very action combat oriented for which I will tolerate small group setups. But small groups AND 'more of the same' in the combat department? No thanks.

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  • JaxaarJaxaar Member Posts: 73

    seriously..... these FF games will be a lot better if Square Enix make the gameplay more like the gameplay from Kingdom Hearts.... i LOVE the storylines these games present but the gameplay sucks... :(

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  • IronfungusIronfungus Member Posts: 519

    Originally posted by Jaxaar

    seriously..... these FF games will be a lot better if Square Enix make the gameplay more like the gameplay from Kingdom Hearts.... i LOVE the storylines these games present but the gameplay sucks... :(

    I've always hated the idea of Disney in my Final Fantasy, but I totally agree.

  • DatcydeDatcyde Member UncommonPosts: 561

    The game just wasnt fun when i tried it I had lots of fun when FFXI released and I remember college students were going crazy over FFXI I'm not saying make a clone  but make a adventurous game FFXIV just feels like a grind a repetative like visuals alone makes a game.

    Its almost like they said here is a mission Hub go grind it out thats all you need and the visuals.....

    I just dont know how they can overcome all this their just wasting their money i think should just start over or make drastic changed and go back to alpha phase.

  • MuruganMurugan Member Posts: 1,494

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/15053-There-will-be-new-main-content-to-rank-up?p=209336#post209336  :




    Originally posted by Yoshida





    Hi, this is Producer/Director Yoshida.







    In regards to the questions cropping up about what will be done to party content now that leves are being made for solo play, we are thinking about the below for the future of FFXIV.



    (Keep in mind that these are just examples and we’ll be adding unique new features and upgrading them.)







    Casual Party Content






    • Behest



    • Public dungeons



    • Instanced dungeons



    • Variety of defense battles/Chocobo escort-related features



    We are planning to make adjustments to behest to make it more of a completion-type battle. We plan on improving Behest in stages beyond its current form.







    Party Content





    • Hunting NMs



    • Beast tribe settlement battles



    • Instanced raid battles



    End-game content



    Along with PvP, we are also envisioning a large-scale PvE, but since we are not really at the stage where we can release information, I’d appreciate it if you just take this as "They're gonna do it!!" for now.







    For soloing as well, we are planning to increase the amount of content that can be enjoyed constantly while placing emphasis on quests and leves, being mindful to maintain a balance between the two.







    In the future, I would like to keep on enhancing the experience point gains through quest completion and exp. parties in public fields. This is because at the very least, I feel this is "normal." However, I think the work will continue up to about 1.20 until the game reaches a point where I think the balance of ranking up methods is normal.







    I wanted to mention this in the letter, but from patch 1.18 we will begin reforms to remove the current feeling that players are being bound to specific play styles. Travel-wise anima is a bit hard to touch on right now (as I've referenced in another thread), but we will be making edits to the return costs and surplus system in the same fashion. Especially in regards to the feeling that a loss will be incurred if you don't do leves every day, we are looking into implementing a type of ticket system that will let you store them up, and heading into 1.19 we will be starting the specification edits of this. (I will talk about the details of this in the letter following the release of patch 1.18.)







    I deeply apologize for the current lack of content and focus on the core fixes, but we have solidified our plans, so please look forward to the future!

     

    They know about the complaints, and they are putting stuff in.  If you don't like what's planned that is one thing, but there is no subscription still and they have quite a bit planned for the upcoming months.  The result being an almost completely different game from the one that launched,  Then they are going to release it on the PS3 and start charging subs.


  • GetalifeGetalife Member CommonPosts: 786

    Originally posted by Murugan

    They know about the complaints, and they are putting stuff in.  If you don't like what's planned that is one thing, but there is no subscription still and they have quite a bit planned for the upcoming months.  The result being an almost completely different game from the one that launched,  Then they are going to release it on the PS3 and start charging subs.

    Which is goign to take another year or more. Would be better for them to just go F2P model if they don't want to lose rest of the player base. There are no second chances or come backs in MMO genre, not at this scale.

  • MuruganMurugan Member Posts: 1,494

    Originally posted by Getalife

    Originally posted by Murugan


    They know about the complaints, and they are putting stuff in.  If you don't like what's planned that is one thing, but there is no subscription still and they have quite a bit planned for the upcoming months.  The result being an almost completely different game from the one that launched,  Then they are going to release it on the PS3 and start charging subs.

    Which is goign to take another year or more. Would be better for them to just go F2P model if they don't want to lose rest of the player base. There are no second chances or come backs in MMO genre, not at this scale.

    You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.  FFXI was relaunched in the United States:

    PC: October 28, 2003

    PS3: March 24, 2004

    Europe

    March 17, 2004

     

    ... all over a year after its original launch on May 16, 2002 and that time people payed for it the entire time

     

    even after that though it also launched on Xbox 360: April 2006 (though later in its career, it still brought in more completely new players than most expansions in other games)

     

    and FFXI  was sucessful enough for many expansions and good enough for me and lots of other fans.  This game hasn't launched on PS3, while I am not a console player I know that a lot of people who played XI were on the PS2, and that many who will play XIV (internationally) will also likely choose to play it on the PS3.  So when the game launches on PS3 it will be getting new players even in the current state it is in, however if it is greatly improved then it is exactly that a second chance for the game and for people on PS3 or PC to join / have on their servers a resurgent population.

     

    The reason most MMO's these days don't get a second chance unless they go F2P is that they never having another release giving them a chance for a resurgent population.  They simply get people trickling in at a few at a time and not making much of an overall difference in helping the community.  Major expansions might accomplish this a little, but it is not really the same especially when most modern expansions are often pretty lackluster and plenty of newer MMO's that have "failed" haven't even gotten a single decent expansion (which is my definition of a failed game: a lack of new content not blockbuster status). 

    Meanwhile SE hasn't seen a need to charge yet and still has ambitious plans for the game.  Maybe they are lieing to us about those though in order to keep us... not paying to play their game yet.

  • Killswitch34Killswitch34 Member Posts: 87

    Originally posted by Getalife

    Originally posted by Murugan


    They know about the complaints, and they are putting stuff in.  If you don't like what's planned that is one thing, but there is no subscription still and they have quite a bit planned for the upcoming months.  The result being an almost completely different game from the one that launched,  Then they are going to release it on the PS3 and start charging subs.

    Which is goign to take another year or more. Would be better for them to just go F2P model if they don't want to lose rest of the player base. There are no second chances or come backs in MMO genre, not at this scale.

    You obviously know nothing of the fans of FF and SE.

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  • GetalifeGetalife Member CommonPosts: 786

    Originally posted by Murugan

    Originally posted by Getalife


    Originally posted by Murugan


    They know about the complaints, and they are putting stuff in.  If you don't like what's planned that is one thing, but there is no subscription still and they have quite a bit planned for the upcoming months.  The result being an almost completely different game from the one that launched,  Then they are going to release it on the PS3 and start charging subs.

    Which is goign to take another year or more. Would be better for them to just go F2P model if they don't want to lose rest of the player base. There are no second chances or come backs in MMO genre, not at this scale.

    You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.  FFXI was relaunched in the United States:

    PC: October 28, 2003

    PS3: March 24, 2004

    Europe

    March 17, 2004

     

    ... all over a year after its original launch on May 16, 2002 and that time people payed for it the entire time

     

    even after that though it also launched on Xbox 360: April 2006 (though later in its career, it still brought in more completely new players than most expansions in other games)

     

    and FFXI  was sucessful enough for many expansions and good enough for me and lots of other fans.  This game hasn't launched on PS3, while I am not a console player I know that a lot of people who played XI were on the PS2, and that many who will play XIV (internationally) will also likely choose to play it on the PS3.  So when the game launches on PS3 it will be getting new players even in the current state it is in, however if it is greatly improved then it is exactly that a second chance for the game and for people on PS3 or PC to join / have on their servers a resurgent population.

     

    The reason most MMO's these days don't get a second chance unless they go F2P is that they never having another release giving them a chance for a resurgent population.  They simply get people trickling in at a few at a time and not making much of an overall difference in helping the community.  Major expansions might accomplish this a little, but it is not really the same especially when most modern expansions are often pretty lackluster and plenty of newer MMO's that have "failed" haven't even gotten a single decent expansion (which is my definition of a failed game: a lack of new content not blockbuster status). 

    Meanwhile SE hasn't seen a need to charge yet and still has ambitious plans for the game.  Maybe they are lieing to us about those though in order to keep us... not paying to play their game yet.

    Interesting... i have played FFXI for 5 years so its is not as if i don't know anything. But thanks for the history lesson. Comparing FFXIV to FFXI release is pointless because by the time FFXI was launched in US most of the bugs were fixed and major improvements were already made to the game. FFXI was nowhere in the same pathetic state as FFXIV on launch.

    On the other hand FFXIV was released in a broken and unfinished state in US and Asia at the same time. See the difference? so if you are hoping for similar response to FFXIV on re launch on PC and PS3 whenever that is going to be..sorry in my own personal opinion, it is still going to be a financial mess for SE.

  • GetalifeGetalife Member CommonPosts: 786

    Originally posted by Killswitch34

    Originally posted by Getalife


    Originally posted by Murugan


    They know about the complaints, and they are putting stuff in.  If you don't like what's planned that is one thing, but there is no subscription still and they have quite a bit planned for the upcoming months.  The result being an almost completely different game from the one that launched,  Then they are going to release it on the PS3 and start charging subs.

    Which is goign to take another year or more. Would be better for them to just go F2P model if they don't want to lose rest of the player base. There are no second chances or come backs in MMO genre, not at this scale.

    You obviously know nothing of the fans of FF and SE.

    They are a lot more smarter than you give them credit for. And yes i am standing by what i said. There are no comebacks in MMO genre not after such a  clossal mess up.

  • MuruganMurugan Member Posts: 1,494

    You talk like no one is playing it or they have closed servers.  I've played games in much worse state than XIV population wise.  I'm not a financial advisor to Square Enix like you apparently are, all I care about is that they are designing new content which they are and that there are people to play with on my server.  I play MMO's I don't generally speculate too much on their overall success in the greater market. 

     

    You don't make a very convincing case that XIV will be closed down, put on hold, or go to a F2P model so why should I care about your "prediction" based on what?  Purely anectodal evidence that lots of MMO's with bad releases seem to not recover?    Honestly what are some relevant examples of this; because XIV is part of the flagship franchise of a large developer and publisher, it has people playing on all servers, it has international servers, and it is still scheduled to be released to an entirely new market of millions of potential customers.  So no I don't think you know what you are talking about.

     

    I'm just pointing out that they have a lot of plans and are clearly still trying pretty convincingly to continue progress on them.

     

    Also XI was crap at JP release, it was full of bugs, lacked content, and was drastically different from the product NA got.

  • GetalifeGetalife Member CommonPosts: 786

    Originally posted by Murugan

    You talk like no one is playing it or they have closed servers.  I've played games in much worse state than XIV population wise.  I'm not a financial advisor to Square Enix like you apparently are, all I care about is that they are designing new content which they are and that there are people to play with on my server.  I play MMO's I don't generally speculate too much on their overall success in the greater market. 

     I never said anything about servers beign closed. Could you point me out to where i said that? in case you read my previous post i clearly said its my 'personal opinion' so please save your sarcasm.  Don't try to put words into my mouth. I am only and only talking about the supposed 'comeback' of FFXIV when it gets 'fixed'. And the reason there are still players on the server is because it is B2P. No monthly sub is a great plus.

    You don't make a very convincing case that XIV will be closed down, put on hold, or go to a F2P model so why should I care about your "prediction" based on what?  Purely anectodal evidence that lots of MMO's with bad releases seem to not recover?    Honestly what are some relevant examples of this, because XIV is part of the flagship franchise of a large developer and publisher, it has people playing on all servers, it has international servers, and it is still scheduled to be released to an entirely new market of millions of potential customers.  So no I don't think you know what you are talking about.

     Why do i need to make any convincing case? once again 'its my opinion' and my opinion is based on my own personal experince with MMOS i have played over the years. MMOS seldom get a second chance. Millions of potential customers? where?  aren't you making 'predictions' now? what is your evidence?

    I'm just pointing out that they have a lot of plans and are clearly still trying pretty convincingly to continue progress on them.

     

    Also XI was crap at JP release, it was full of bugs, lacked content, and was drastically different from the product NA got.

  • MuruganMurugan Member Posts: 1,494

    Originally posted by Getalife

    Originally posted by Murugan

    You talk like no one is playing it or they have closed servers.  I've played games in much worse state than XIV population wise.  I'm not a financial advisor to Square Enix like you apparently are, all I care about is that they are designing new content which they are and that there are people to play with on my server.  I play MMO's I don't generally speculate too much on their overall success in the greater market. 

     I never said anything about servers beign closed. Could you point me out to where i said that? in case you read my previous post i clearly said its my 'personal opinion' so please save your sarcasm.  Don't try to put words into my mouth. I am only and only talking about the supposed 'comeback' of FFXIV when it gets 'fixed'. And the reason there are still players on the server is because it is B2P. No monthly sub is a great plus.

    You don't make a very convincing case that XIV will be closed down, put on hold, or go to a F2P model so why should I care about your "prediction" based on what?  Purely anectodal evidence that lots of MMO's with bad releases seem to not recover?    Honestly what are some relevant examples of this, because XIV is part of the flagship franchise of a large developer and publisher, it has people playing on all servers, it has international servers, and it is still scheduled to be released to an entirely new market of millions of potential customers.  So no I don't think you know what you are talking about.

     Why do i need to make any convincing case? once again 'its my opinion' and my opinion is based on my own personal experince with MMOS i have played over the years. MMOS seldom get a second chance. Millions of potential customers? where?  aren't you making 'predictions' now? what is your evidence?

    I'm just pointing out that they have a lot of plans and are clearly still trying pretty convincingly to continue progress on them.

     

    Also XI was crap at JP release, it was full of bugs, lacked content, and was drastically different from the product NA got.

     

    Why don't you try contributing more to the discussion than simply stating your opinion then if you don't think that requires you to make a convincing case for it...

     

    Once again, all you have is anecdotal evidence.  "I've played lots of MMO's, MMO's "seldom" get a second chance".

     

    Millions of customers with PS3's, a new market not currently able to play XIV.  "77 million registered accounts" :

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/sets/72157626521862165/

     

    Final Fantasy XIV is both published and developed by Square Enix a major game development company which continues to at the very least be invested enough the game to continue to develop it (as evidenced by updates and communication with the community).

     

    Plans like what I mentioned above, as well as in upcoming patches:

    New Job System:

     


    Originally posted by Reinheart



    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    For job system the jobs that are planned and decided are Paladin, Monk, White Mage, Black Mage, Dragoon, Bard (Job names are temporary) *Probably forgot to say Warrior.



    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    Cannot say when but planning where you have two class up till certain rank and get a combination job. For example Thauma/Conjurer if you get both up, can be Red Mage (This is just an example so don’t go all into this one…)



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    In the future planning not only jobs, but planning to add more CLASS.

     

    Materia System:

     


    Originally posted by Bayohne

    By using the armor and weapons that you equip yourself with, you will generate "attachment points"* and when your attachment points reach 100% you will be able to convert that weapon or armor into "materia." This is known as "materia conversion." "Materia" is a crystallized form of the weapon and armor’s stats that the player has used and formed an attachment to.



    During the materia conversion process, there will be fluctuations that result in NQ stat materia, as well as HQ stat materia, even when using the same type of item. However, even the NQ stat material will have beneficial stats.



    Also, you will be able to purchase and trade materia freely.



    Crafters will be able to utilize the catalysts that gatherers obtain and attach a single materia to an item (there is no chance of failure). The materia you will be able to attach will depend on the type of weapon and the type of stat that matches the equipment slot. There are a variety of different combinations of materia that can be attached to each equipment slot’s item, so each player will need to decide what they want to pursue.



    In addition to this, you will also be able to remove materia from items that have had materia attached to them. However, upon removal you will lose the materia, so you should probably only remove it when you definitely have a better upgrade to replace it with.



    Finally, rumors tell of a forbidden technique with a high risk of failure to attach another materia to an item that already has a materia attached to it…

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/6802-Materia-System?highlight=materia

     

    As well as many other changes to game mechanics. 

     

    So they are working on it, they are still planning to release it, it will be a release to a major as of yet untapped audience for this game.  Do you have anything to argue with other than your myopic personal viewpoint based on apparently very little?  Want to go into some detail on what you mean by "MMO's seldom get a second chance"?

  • GetalifeGetalife Member CommonPosts: 786

    Originally posted by Murugan

    Why don't you try contributing more to the discussion than simply stating your opinion then if you don't think that requires you to make a convincing case for it...

     Oh so you can state your opinion but i can not? did i ask you to make a convincing case? i take your opinion for what it is. Agree or disagree it is up to you.

    Once again, all you have is anecdotal evidence.  "I've played lots of MMO's, MMO's "seldom" get a second chance".

    Again, its an opinion that is all it is. And yes MMOS never get a second chance and if you are hoping for a huge comeback with millions of players rushing to grab the PS3 version of FFXIV, sorry that is not going to happen. I haven't seen any MMO make a comeback so far. EQ2, Vanguard, AOC, Warhammer Online.... are few examples. Yes they manage to stay afloat and recoup their investment but in no way are considered to be a run away success. You put too much faith in FFXIV if you think millions of potential customers are waiting for FFXIV's relaunch.

     

    Millions of customers with PS3's, a new market not currently able to play XIV.  "77 million registered accounts" :

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/sets/72157626521862165/

    77 million registered account means nothing. But i hardly doubt even 1 million player accounts will be made once console version is launched.  Something only tilme can tell.

    Final Fantasy XIV is both published and developed by Square Enix a major game development company which continues to at the very least be invested enough the game to continue to develop it (as evidenced by updates and communication with the community).

     

     

  • daltaniousdaltanious Member UncommonPosts: 2,381

    I still think they should forget about FF14, leave failure to history. And create new game from scratch with same IP.

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