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Do you read your EULAs?

DragimDragim Member UncommonPosts: 867

After watching southpark and reading about other people's experiences with the hidden stuff in EULA's I was interested to read my EA downloaded update's eula.

This one is called "Origins" and I had noticed some hub-bub around the internet about it so I read it and found this part interesting.  I will not be agreeing to install it and now wonder how many other programs do this as well...perhaps I am mis-interpreting it, but it seems as if the company has full access to see what I do on my computer at all times...

----You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services.  We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you.  IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION.

This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com .  To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control.  



 

I would like to point out the part about collecting, storing, information regarding your Application usage, software usage and others.  Also, the part about how they share my information with a 3rd party, (though my name won't be included).

Am I to understand that they will monitor my computer and see what games I play?  How often I play them?  How my computer runs them?  And what I install/uninstall?

Scary.



 

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Comments

  • VaultFairyVaultFairy Member UncommonPosts: 566

    Sounds a bit iffy to me, i'm not bothered about Origins anyway so i'll definatly won't be installing it.

  • ichimarunicoichimarunico Member Posts: 210

    I read them for a lot of things, and the fun part is that STEAM does the same thing. So does Facebook, AIM, Y! Messenger, so on and so forth...

    We're living in an age of constant surveillance which apparantly is completely okay, because your name isn't attached to it. Welcome to 1984

  • VyntVynt Member UncommonPosts: 753

    Rarely read them. Most companies pretty much collect information on everyone. Valve even sells the information they collect from steam users. Their last year statement listed they made millions I believe. Don't remember how much. There was a link of it floating around here a while back. Wouldn't be surprised if most companies collect and sell our information.

    Sometimes the information they collect can be useful to us. I know the info amazon collects from what I buy has benefited me when they pointed out something I might like that I never even heard of.  Found a few gems that way in books and games.

  • DeathofsageDeathofsage Member UncommonPosts: 1,102

    I scan the section titles and the beginnings of paragraphs...sometimes.

    I'm not reading 20 pages of text so convoluted that it's designed to confuse and discomfort the reader.

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  • SabbathSMCSabbathSMC Member Posts: 226

    I gave in a long time ago. I think they purposely make it so fricken long nobody will be bothered to read it and they sneak stuff in.

    Its just like every other leagal documents you have to sign. a bunch of crap that is normaly not needed but there to protect them  from lawsuits and other crap.

    But i think you will find most of them are very similar so basicly playing any online game your gonna have to sign it to play.

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  • GarkanGarkan Member Posts: 552

    I don't see why people would have a problem with devs collecting information about PC specs and usage statistics, sometimes it really does help to improve the products we receive and as long as there is no personally identifiable info (IE Here's Joe Bloggs from 199 London road with his Dell Deskmaster and his 750GB horse porn collection) collected/distributed whats all the fuss about?

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  • Squal'ZellSqual'Zell Member Posts: 1,803

    have you seen the 64 page itunes EULA? you need a Law Degree, 2 PhD in litterature, a Post PhD in english language... (a Masters in social sciences woulnt hurt either)

    how can they really expect us to read and understand this? 

    i think the "consumer protection agency of your country" if you ahve one, should take care of reading and summarizing (and translated to people who speak english and not ancient demonic latin based language) before having us click on agree. 

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  • VenDyneVenDyne Member Posts: 51

    Ouch... I have a feeling that with that, Software companies can use their programs to steal information off you... LIKE VIRUSES!!

    All because you didn't read the fine print. They'll say "Oh! But you clicked on I Agree" and "Ignorance of the Law is no excuse".

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  • AuxiliaryAuxiliary Member Posts: 90

    If you are really concerned, just use a proxy!

  • GarkanGarkan Member Posts: 552

    Originally posted by VenDyne

    Ouch... I have a feeling that with that, Software companies can use their programs to steal information off you... LIKE VIRUSES!!

    All because you didn't read the fine print. They'll say "Oh! But you clicked on I Agree" and "Ignorance of the Law is no excuse".

    No matter what they put in a EULA no company is exempt from any national consumer protection legislation.

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    Gravity Rush,
    Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.

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    Company of Heroes II.

  • FigureFigure Member Posts: 128

    Originally posted by Garkan

    Originally posted by VenDyne

    Ouch... I have a feeling that with that, Software companies can use their programs to steal information off you... LIKE VIRUSES!!

    All because you didn't read the fine print. They'll say "Oh! But you clicked on I Agree" and "Ignorance of the Law is no excuse".

    No matter what they put in a EULA no company is exempt from any national consumer protection legislation.

    This.  Thanks to those commie pinko liberals, there's laws that protect you from predatory EULAs that make it so that you have the freedom to just skip past them.  Most of the EULAs you see today are just clauses for binding arbitration so that companies don't get sued because someone didn't like their product or the people using their product.

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  • erictlewiserictlewis Member UncommonPosts: 3,021

    You read one you read them all.  They all say this in no sea easy to read print

    (1) Is our game you just get to play

    (2) Dont cheat, don' cuss, don't bot, don't greif get the picture its our game you break the rules you get banned

    (3) If you break any rules, even ones we did not tell you your banned

    (4) its our game we got your info and can do anything we want, get the picture.

    Now go have fun,  honestly if you read the eula that is what it comes down too.

  • just2duhjust2duh Member Posts: 1,290

     No I don't anymore, but maybe that is why my ass is attached to another persons mouth so we could create the human-cent-ipad.

     I used to skim them when F2P's were still a relatively new thing though.

  • CastillleCastillle Member UncommonPosts: 2,679

    Originally posted by erictlewis

    You read one you read them all.  They all say this in no sea easy to read print

    (1) Is our game you just get to play

    (2) Dont cheat, don' cuss, don't bot, don't greif get the picture its our game you break the rules you get banned

    (3) If you break any rules, even ones we did not tell you your banned

    (4) its our game we got your info and can do anything we want, get the picture.

    Now go have fun,  honestly if you read the eula that is what it comes down too.

    QFT! I actually read the Ragnarok Online eula before I played it long ago and I was like "Wtf??" Then I read WoWs and I was like "I read this before.." and now Im just like "OH !@#$ YOU AND YOUR TEXTWALL OF DEATH YOU FRIGGIN !@#$!@#$ IMMA KILL MYSELF BEFORE READING THIS EULA!

     

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  • albgeniusalbgenius Member Posts: 45

    I dont read it.They are pretty much standard.But i think such companies like EA are quite serious and will do no harm to us even if they know what we are doing in our pc.

  • EkarosEkaros Member UncommonPosts: 367

    Yeah, and local legistlation has higher priority than EULAs... As any legal-document they are writen by lawyers for protection of company...

     

    Still, I think one could forbid marketing, atleast in some civilised country...

  • xpridexxpridex Member Posts: 3

    I usually just skim it ;)

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  • MadimorgaMadimorga Member UncommonPosts: 1,920

    When I voted yes, I meant, I've read one or two, for giggles, and because I was very bored.  All you really need to look at is, "How do I sue these guys if they really, royally screw me over?"

     

    And it usually involves going through mediation (if you really want a laugh, look that process up), and if you actually can get it into court, I hope you're prepared to fly out to another country to pursue your legal claim of $40 and a couple months of $15 sub fees, because you'll usually have to.

     

     

    Or, to quote one of my favorite novels (two great authors, and my favorite modern philosopher):

     

    Along with the standard computer warranty agreement which said that if the machine 1) didn't work, 2) didn't do what the expensive advertisement said, 3) electrocuted the immediate neighbourhood, 4) and in fact failed entirely to be inside the expensive box when you opened it, this was expressly, absolutely, implicitly and in no event the fault or responsibility of the manufacturer, that the purchaser should consider himself lucky to be allowed to give his money to the manufacturer, and that any attempt to treat what had just been paid for as the purchaser's own property would result in the attentions of serious men with menacing briefcases and very thin watches.

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  • InStarsInStars Member Posts: 6

    I never read them.

    But I don't want to become a part of Human-Centi-Pad though ^^

  • alakramalakram Member UncommonPosts: 2,294

    1. Chuck Norris never reads the EULA's

    2. A real man never reads the EULA's

    3. No I never read them, once I tried but it was so long and boring.

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    Oh btw I remember when Dark and Light came out, it had it's own EULA but if you spent time reading it you found it had Sony Online Enternainment in some places where it should state their own company, turned out they had copy pasted it.



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  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916

    I never read it....I can't be bothered to read 50 pages of BS....

     have a general idea of what's in there and I am not stressing out over what kind of information companies collect about me. All companies collect info about your habits etc be it social media websites (facebook, twitter, linkedin etc.), banks, grocery shops, online retailers (amazon, steam etc.). 

    Your shopping habits are no secret. I can see why this may be a problem for some people but there isn't much you can do about it. Companies don't analyse your individual preferences but they sort data into various groups.

    Bottom line is welcome to the 21st century :) This is quite common practice which does not affect you in any direct way really :D

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  • SiveriaSiveria Member UncommonPosts: 1,411

    Solution: get Zone alarm, when game tries to access the internet block it and check remember this setting, problem solved.

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  • BarkopoloBarkopolo Member Posts: 46

    I do, mainly because as part of my job, I write them. :-)

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