Why do we get so hung up on terms? When posters use a term, they are usually trying to make a point and use that term in that context. So, these terms can have different meanings, depending on what the poster is trying to say. But as it is, what posters are trying to say gets run over by people arguing what a term means.
Have you ever looked at a legal document? What is one of the first things generally included in that document? A definition of terms....
...without some common ground on terms, it becomes fruitless to discuss many things.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Why do we get so hung up on terms? When posters use a term, they are usually trying to make a point and use that term in that context. So, these terms can have different meanings, depending on what the poster is trying to say. But as it is, what posters are trying to say gets run over by people arguing what a term means.
Words have meanings. If you arbitrarily reassign meanings, then conversation cannot be made. Anyway, I find most attempts to redefine terms on somebody's own grounds to be disingenuous at best.
If I were to say... 'people who played UO when it first came out are all asthmatic', and then went on to explain that when I said 'asthmatic', I actually meant 'At least 20 years old', then I would having a pretty stupid argument. Not only that, every single person who comes along would feel that the first thing they need to point out is that I have no idea what asthamtic is.
Words have meanings, and they should be used correctly.
If somebody argues that MMORPGs are something they are not, they should be gently corrected and pointed at the correct current meaning of MMORPGs.
If somebody wants to argue 'Current MMORPGs are not like old MMORPGs' or 'I do not like current MMORPGs' or 'What people call MMORPGs now do not match up with what I like to think of as ideal MMORPGs', I wouldn't even second guess them.
Those are all perfectly reasonable statements. All of them make a clear, concise point, without arbitrarily redefining words and telling people 'Hey, the way you're using words? The way the majority of people, and the whole industry we're talking about use that word? It's wrong. Because I'm right.'
Redefining words is extremely confrontational, and there's plenty of ways to use the proper meaning of words, so people's message isn't lost in their hyperbole. If people want to have an argument, why don't they use the real definition of words, instead of saying that the real definition isn't? Save everybody a lot of time.
Why do we get so hung up on terms? When posters use a term, they are usually trying to make a point and use that term in that context. So, these terms can have different meanings, depending on what the poster is trying to say. But as it is, what posters are trying to say gets run over by people arguing what a term means.
Have you ever looked at a legal document? What is one of the first things generally included in that document? A definition of terms....
...without some common ground on terms, it becomes fruitless to discuss many things.
When we actually have clear and concise definitions to all these terms, you might have a point. We don't. People use terms instead of a wall of text. Choose your poison.
On the other hand, I think only someone insecure would care enough about the term "mmo veteran" to make a thread aimed at them. The term itself is innocent.
Do you have a problem with someone who considers themselves a Military Veteran? War Veteran? Console Veteran? PC Veteran? it's all the same... it just means they've been doing it for a long time, or have done it a long time ago.
Are you mad because you are one of the millions who joined the MMO genre since 2004 who don't call themselves vets? Do you only play 1 MMO and think that since the vets have played many, they are 'meanies" ?
No, I don't think the term mmo veteran is funny. I think it's funny that someone calling themselves an mmo vet hurts your feelings.
This is not a troll, flame, or anything else worth banning me over. It is simply my pure opinion, and I have a right to share it.
Yes, it does induce humor but the reason people use it is to provide some background on why they hate all modern MMORPG's currently released or in design. Saves time and all that.
+1, basically using the term tells others "Hey, I'm one of the displaced MMORPG players companies don't make games for anymore."
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Have you ever looked at a legal document? What is one of the first things generally included in that document? A definition of terms....
...without some common ground on terms, it becomes fruitless to discuss many things.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
Cause people like to differentiate themselves from the new duche bag generation of players.
Words have meanings. If you arbitrarily reassign meanings, then conversation cannot be made. Anyway, I find most attempts to redefine terms on somebody's own grounds to be disingenuous at best.
If I were to say... 'people who played UO when it first came out are all asthmatic', and then went on to explain that when I said 'asthmatic', I actually meant 'At least 20 years old', then I would having a pretty stupid argument. Not only that, every single person who comes along would feel that the first thing they need to point out is that I have no idea what asthamtic is.
Words have meanings, and they should be used correctly.
If somebody argues that MMORPGs are something they are not, they should be gently corrected and pointed at the correct current meaning of MMORPGs.
If somebody wants to argue 'Current MMORPGs are not like old MMORPGs' or 'I do not like current MMORPGs' or 'What people call MMORPGs now do not match up with what I like to think of as ideal MMORPGs', I wouldn't even second guess them.
Those are all perfectly reasonable statements. All of them make a clear, concise point, without arbitrarily redefining words and telling people 'Hey, the way you're using words? The way the majority of people, and the whole industry we're talking about use that word? It's wrong. Because I'm right.'
Redefining words is extremely confrontational, and there's plenty of ways to use the proper meaning of words, so people's message isn't lost in their hyperbole. If people want to have an argument, why don't they use the real definition of words, instead of saying that the real definition isn't? Save everybody a lot of time.
When we actually have clear and concise definitions to all these terms, you might have a point. We don't. People use terms instead of a wall of text. Choose your poison.
Once upon a time....
On the other hand, I think only someone insecure would care enough about the term "mmo veteran" to make a thread aimed at them. The term itself is innocent.
Do you have a problem with someone who considers themselves a Military Veteran? War Veteran? Console Veteran? PC Veteran? it's all the same... it just means they've been doing it for a long time, or have done it a long time ago.
Are you mad because you are one of the millions who joined the MMO genre since 2004 who don't call themselves vets? Do you only play 1 MMO and think that since the vets have played many, they are 'meanies" ?
No, I don't think the term mmo veteran is funny. I think it's funny that someone calling themselves an mmo vet hurts your feelings.
This is not a troll, flame, or anything else worth banning me over. It is simply my pure opinion, and I have a right to share it.
+1, basically using the term tells others "Hey, I'm one of the displaced MMORPG players companies don't make games for anymore."
I am the almighty MMO Veteran, how dare you use my name for this thread!
I am a MMO Veteran since MUDs, UO and all.
And no, i won't tell you why, because i am a Veteran and know stuff, and you are just a noob. Go play WoW now.
(j/k :P)