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Why this game is good; why this game sucks.
depain
Member Posts: 263
Pros
#1. Graphics - While I'm more into the more "detailed" graphics, SWTOR does indeed have a decent look and is system friendly.
#2. Voiced NPCs - While the size of the game might suck (GBs), at least it's more "absorbing".
#3. Crafting - Is it as in-depth as something like SWG? No. However, it is innovative. The crew system and management features appear to be fantastic.
Cons
#1. Linear Class System - I don't care about the few little skill trees that one can fart around with. The bottom line is this: You begin as a Ranger and end as a Ranger. There is absolutely no depth. Been there, done that. What about some type of customizable hybrid system? How about something other than everything else?
#2. Linear Story - Yeah, you can choose from a few different option. However, you are still locked into a 100% story progression. Other than a little fine tuning, you are told what to do, what to say, where to go, and when to do it. It's like reading a damn book and going through the motions.
#3. Forced Companions - The devs stated that you will need certain companions to access certain quests. So IT IS forced. I've never seen a game where any companion or pet worked perfectly. Pets get caught up on walls, trees, hills, bushes, and are generally slow as hell. You have to monitor their health, armor, equipment, etc. It's just another thing to get in the way. Neat option? Sure. But neat FORCED option? No.
#4. Space Combat - I remember when they released info that they are indeed creating Space Content. Wow! I was so happy. I couldn't wait for the details! It was like expecting the most perfect chocolate cake for your birthday. However, instead of your parents walking in with a candle lit cake, they walk in holding a giant c0ckmeat sandwich. ARE YOU SERIOUS? Didn't I play this on the N64? This is no different than Clone Wars Adventures Space Content - It's embarrassing to the game.
#5. Type-Casted Characters - I'd like to roll a damage dealing Sith Marauder. But wait... In order to obtain optimal DPS, I HAVE to use two lightsabers? I can't just use one? ;/ Why? They want folks to know exactly who's who upon examination.
#6. Locking Story - Story can be nice. However, in this case, it will lock us in. I'd like to roll a Rikkittikkitavi-whatever Warrior. However, that wouldn't make sense with the story. You see, they can't just let you be whatever race / class combo you want because of how the story is written. Doing so would call for drastic editing / revamping.
#7. Daniel Erickson - "When did Han & Chewie ever say, 'Hey! let's go into space and just dick around.'" This idiotic remark just goes to show that they hold little value on exploration. They want whatever you are doing to be "heroic". Erm. When everything is heroic, nothing is heroic. Does this same remark apply to the ground game?
#8. Battlegrounds - I hope you're ready for the epic 8v8 battle on the same 5 zones over and over and over again. Why people like this trash is beyond me (other than PvErs). My only break of fresh air is due to the promise of World PvP. However, we know nothing of the rule set. 8v8? How is that Massive Multiplayer? I can get bigger battles in Call of Duty or Quake Live.
Ultimately, if George Lucas and Malcom in the Middle had a kid, it would SWTOR. This game is built under the "hold my hand" mentality. I'll buy it / play it simply because it's Star Wars.
Comments
Your 'cons' are pretty petty and subjective. I've played many MMOs and none that I have played have given me much enjoyment. Don't see how it's any more linear than even sandboxes. Yes, even sandboxes are linear if looked at hard enough. Therefore, "linear gameplay" is everywhere, I know that doesn't make it right. However, I will say that singleplayer games like Mass Effect are "linear" and I have had more fun playing those games than any other MMO.
I'll buy it because it's Star Wars, Bioware and because I've been interested in the majority of what I've been seeing and hearing since 2008.
Daniel Erickson should be included in Pros.
the cons sounds like pros to me.
Story line in a mmo has normaly been rubbish or a few cutscenes if that.
I think of the game as 8 games in one because each class has its own story. I think thats great.
Stating the same old points yet again... Why? Everyone with a working brain in his skull knows it'll be more of a single player game with online capability then an MMO. Bioware is targeting its own audience. Their audiance is single player game people. Their specialty is single player RPGs.
They clearly aren't targgeting the Star wars online community. From the mass of whine threads i know (since i never played SWG) that ToR has nothing to do with SWG- the thing that build the SW online community.
There is no reason to whine anymore. If you played Mass effect 2 then you know what to expect. Add some guild wars single player experience to it and you have ToR.
I will buy this game. Like many other single player RPGs. I'll beat it. And then i'll judge if its worth subsribing too.
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Damn this made me laugh. Really wasn't expecting *that*.
I also agree about the space combat. I was never really on-board for the game in the first place, but I still find the "space combat" they are planning on including, pretty insulting. Almost as insulting as the snide replies given by certain asshat devs to fan questions and in interviews. I used to be a big fan of Bioware from the Baldur's Gate days, right up to Dragon Age. Now, given some of the decisions that are being made and the rude responses to questions regarding them, I'm pretty much turned off of Bioware.
I don't mind them making a game that's not for me. That's most of the games in existence. It's the arrogant attitude that I can't stomach. F*** 'em and the game they rode in on.
I thought the reply Erickson gave about space combat funny and hardly arrogant. If anything showing a bit of personality. In that video I heard alot of laughter after that statement.
I hope people who can't take a joke are not playing this game.
Have you actually played the game?
dont play the game and dont buy it
solves all your dumb questions does it 
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Isn't it a bit redundant to tell somebody not to play AND buy the game?
I agree on the pros, and was just thinking that #2 is really going to blow some minds. Most people in MMOs skip the quest text, because you are there to play a game, not read a novel.
As for the Cons, I agree on 1,-3 especially 3. On 4 and 7 I strongly disagree, especially 7. In fact, that comment sold me on this game. It made me think "These guys understand Star Wars." I imagine that if you hate this quote, you will hate the game, and moreover, your view of Star Wars is totally different from mine.
Points 5 and 6 are rehashed versions of what you said earlier in the post. I find myself ambivalent about #8.
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If you're into Alt's or want to play every class yes, but for those that don't .......
Think of all the fantasy players that don't play magic users or SWG types that refuse to play the Empire because the Rebel's are the good guys. Personally I don't do magic and I don't do healers and in SWG I had no interest in the Spy class.
Those 8 stories just got cut way down.
I think the game may be interesting and might give it a try, but your item isn't ever going to be a pro for me.
SWG (pre-cu) - AoC (pre-f2p) - PotBS (pre-boarder) - DDO - LotRO (pre-f2p) - STO (pre-f2p) - GnH (beta tester) - SWTOR - Neverwinter
Its not gonna be perfect for all but should be a decent Bioware storyline game with the extra bonus that you can have friends along for the ride. Anythig beyond that your gonna have to wait for a release to really judge IMO
So... it appears a lot of the "cons" seem to be misunderstandings of the features.
I thought most of your cons were pros as well. Sorry, but if you're trying to right a review, then this is a fail. Too much of it is based on personal opionion, and some of it based on incorrect information as well. I'm referring to that last bit about warzones. Just because the one warzone they showed is 8v8 doesn't mean they all are. We don't know how big any others might be. I guess I could also say most of your pros were cons to me, but since you only gave three pros and I think two are cons...well, you get the idea.
Pros?
1 Graphics to me are actually a con, it's not so much the graphics as the art style I suppose, but I didn't like the cartoon style from the start and still don't.
2 If the acting is good I can only imagine VO as a positive. Mass Effect was fully voiced as well and I will say that it made it just that much more immersive.
3 Crafting is the only thing that sounds a bit innovative about the game. All in all it sounds pretty good.
Cons?
1 I don't think we really have enough information to call this linear. Also, you use linear as if it's a bad thing, and sometimes it could be a good thing. In this case I prefer to use the word choice. If we have enough choices available so that our characters can be at least somewhat unique and still competitive...that's what I look for. There's nothing to say this isn't the case for TOR yet.
2 You say this bit as if it's a bad thing, where as I definitely consider it a good thing. Because you don't like this particular style of mmo, you consider it a con, but generally reviewers try to stay away from such obvious personal bias within reviews. A reviewer would try the game for what it is and then grade it based on that, not on what they want it to be.
3 This argument is entirely supposition. Companions are not forced. So what if you miss a few quests specific to a particular companion, it's not a big deal. I mean you're limited to a certain number of companions anyway and every companion in the game will have a few quests tied to them I'm sure which means no matter what you're gonna miss a few. Big deal.
4 I can live with space combat as it is, but I think they would have been better off just leaving it out. In any case, I'm sure it'll be just a small portion of the game anyway.
5 I have to agree with you on this one. I think characters should be as customizeble as possible and pigeon-holing them into carrying a certain type of lightsaber is unacceptable.
6 Kind of a silly argument here. Any rpg has rules based on a setting and or story, it's not a big deal. Also, we have no idea what may come in future expansions, perhaps they add that particular race into the game at some point along with a story to go with them.
7 I thought that a bit rude too, but I've seen worse. It's not something that upsets me.
8 You're jumping to conclusions again on this one. We have information on only one warzone, and just because one warzone is 8v8 doesn't mean they all are. We have no idea how big they may or may not be.
I had no idea the game was out already.
It's not, but the op wrote this in a sort of review like style...I guess a sort of pre-review based on information we have on the game.
Would you pay $15.00 per month to play KotOR 1 or 2? No. You're nuts if you think they are designing this solely for the single player crowd.
lol, your responses are terrible. I stopped reading after the first few. You are just wanting to argue.
I remember when I posted a few negative remarks about FF14...before it came out. Lots of folk like you were quick to defend it.
Sounds like another sad sad sandbox lover. Every single one of the OP's points is a pro in my opinion. I couldn't be happier with the design decisions Bioware has made. At last an MMO that isn't ruled by the unemployed loser parent-basement dwellers!!!
Seriously, if you don't like the direction Bioware is going with this game, don't play it. It will never be a sandbox and I can tell by your post that that fact alone is a deal-breaker for you.
Exactly. Same conclusion I made.
The funny part is. Nobody in their right mind would make a sandbox unless they were deliberately aiming at a niche market. That's not really where the money is. Might as well start whining over every new game getting released.
I'm not really defending the game so much as making a point about you looking for sandbox features in all the wrong places.
Pros and cons ,
Well most of your cons are really your subjective problems .
And name me one MMORPG dont forget the RPG part .
That has a none linear story , set classes limitations , set mechanics .
Woot there aren´t any , so answer if the cons are so much of a burden that some cons are infact pros .
Just your debating view is limited , companion is infact a PRO , its evolution of pets companion from games like grande espada , Companion ads another GRIND or CARE factor (you can pick the word)
That you previously didn´t had , makes hitting the boredom wall a bit longer .
Space Combat , well currently you have STO and EVE and even SWG NGE , so if space combat is what you look for .
There you go 3 MMO that provides that , and one has the starwars brand name .
(oh wait before all your cons set in about freedom bla bla , lets see 3 space combat each has there own limitations)
EA canceled long time ago one , so means space combat mmo aren´t that popular .
Well as for the rest its your personal opnion and cons , but honestly i dont even want to debate that .
Cause in the end you will buy it sadly , and join the rest in public chat and screaming it stinks .
Why you would pay good money to do that ? i honestly dont know .
I heard a chorus of trained seals responding to a tamer. Would you expect less from gamer fans of any stripe? Clearly, he didn't take the question seriously and simply dismissed as beneath him with sarcasm. In a forum like that, he should be fielding all questions civilly, even those he doesn't like.
He was an arrogant ass.
I disagree with many of your cons being cons.