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World of Warcraft: Seven Reasons Cataclysm Could Suck

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  • DLangleyDLangley Member Posts: 1,407

    Its all fine and well to have an opinion, be it positive or negative; but lets refrain from attacking other users or the author of the article. Thanks.

  • dennisfengdennisfeng Member Posts: 3

    I personally  look forward to the Barrens Chat. Its really a good resting place  after all those grinding. I just cant get enough of those "silly topics".

    However, I will miss the landscaple of the old world, it holds sooo many memeries for me. i would like Blizzard could keep the entire old world in Caven of Times, just for the old timers like me to revisit those places.

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  • PhilbyPhilby Member Posts: 849

    Originally posted by Scot

    They may need to set up a new chat channel for the sort of new players Cataclysm will attract: 


    /lfpsg Lf pre school grp, am heals, 4yr+


     


     


    It does not matter that a 4yr old won’t be doing the raids, any MMO should require a sophistication greater than the IQ of a four year old at level 1. What sort of dumb arse do they expect their players to be?

    Maybe Blizz would hire you to be a mod?

    WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.

  • BenzoBenzo Member Posts: 3

    Originally posted by Sarajiel



    Really a nice read, but the list seems a bit odd since it didn't really touch the fears and worries people mentioned on several official forums already.


    Cultural shock in the heroic 5-man dungeons at level 85. Going from mindless AoE-zerging to thoughtful CC, interrupts, careful pulling, mana-breaks etc. will probably alienate parts of the current "ogogog!1!!11!11one1one" playerbase.


     


    Many of the old low-poly character models look quite dated already (e.g. humans and dwarves). Watching them in Stormwind with all the new and fancy stuff might turn many people turn away or annoy them after some time.


     


    Bugs! The current patch 4.0.1 feels more like a paid beta than a game. I'm not talking about the unbalanced classes, but just about all those small and not so small bugs that take away the fun of playing at the moment (e.g. d/c after zoning into an instanced dungeon or dungeons aren't found at all). No matter how popular WoW is and how forgiving Blizzard's fans are in general, I really doubt they will attract many new or old players, if the game is unplayable at launch.


     

    Ya know.. for a second there, I thought you were talking about EverQuest. They just need to impliment a "Hail" button and it'd be pretty damn close!

     

    Oh, except for one fact that WoW's being dumbed down even further than it already is... Least in EQ, you actually had to [look and type] for the next part of a quest dialogue. *hint hint EQ players*

  • BenzoBenzo Member Posts: 3

    Originally posted by bestiacorpus



    Max level boredom is caused by the player alone.  5 year hardcore raider (ex-raider, RL responsibilities took over).  Waiting in cities is not how WoW is meant to be played.

    Here's a short list to make your WoW more exciting:

    1.  Join/Start a competitive hardcore raiding (PvE/PvP) guild.  Top 50 world, top 5 server!  Easy game? Prove it!

    2.  Alts! Don't get stuck playing 1 class.  Re-live the journey.  Learn the other classes so you don't get shat on in PvP!  Options Options Options!

    3.  Crafting/Gathering.  More money, more PvE/PvP encounters, and more funny moments!  Gather-steal hahaha!

    4.  Help newbs.  From low level assists to Heroic Dungeon Tanking/Healing/DPSing for freshies gearing up for the big time.  Nothing will make you feel loved like a Thank You! whisper from a new player.

    5.  Explore with your land mount.  The sceneries are more exciting down there (PLUS more PvE/PvP encounters again!).  Screenshots Screenshots Screenshots!

    6.  RolePlay!  Comedy gold. Nuff said.

    7.  Hunt down the other factions members from lowbies to Rated Arena Masters.  Bring out the macro manual! It's time to get educated!

    8.  World PvP in RP gear.  World PvP in RP settings.  Block the road!  Camp the Boats! 

    9.  Auctioneer.  Control the economy. 

    10.  Participate in Chat comedy.  /Ignore is for the weak.

    11.  Gank until you start a war.  Hell! It's high time for the next Tarren Mill - SouthShore War!

     

    WoW = boring?  I say, You're Doin' It Wrong!


     

    Interesting post. However, Downfalls to these:

     

    1. Not possible. You have to rely on other people and the odds of that happening are slim to none, and slim just left town.

     

    2. WoW's been out for quite a while now. I'm pretty sure this 'option', as you put it, has already been attempted, regardless of what expansion you're on.

     

    3. Sounds more like mindless grinding and being a nusiance to other players (though i'm sure a small percentage of people out there enjoy being pricks and annoy others to no end). Farming Ore is fun? Skinning leather for hours on end? How about we just cut through the farming and get to the end result.

     

    4. This one actually makes some sense, but not a whole lot. "soandso tells you, 'run me through DM!". Yeah, powerlevel or gear up this scrub so they miss out on the opportunity to LEARN their class. Never fails that you get into a random heroic (or worse, a guildie) that, even after 80 levels, still has no F'ing clue how to do their job, dps, heal, or tank in a simple group. Happens ALL the damn time and I vote no.

     

    5. Yay, I'm "the Explorer". I explored all of Azeroth and all I got was this crummy title and some achievement points.  I want the 3 hours of life I just wasted, doing this crap, back .

     

    6. Roleplay? You kidding me? 80% of the people who play WoW don't even understand what that really means nor gives a shit! "Good day m'lady. How fare thee? May I escort you to Goldshire?" Ever seen the video of the fat kid in a kilt throwing rocks at a guy dressed up in a Knights of Ni costume? Uh......... yeah.......

     

     

    "Nuff said". ......moving on!

     

    7. I really don't see what macros have to do with anything here.. *boggle*

     

    8. PvP in RP gear? LOL. "Do my eyes deceive me, Lass, or is that an Orc there? Flee! Run for your lives!" Meanwhile you were just 1 shotted from an Orc Hunter 36 yards away and now he's camping your corpse. WTG. *thumbs up* Enjoy being a ghost for an hour and a half...

     

    9. Auctioneer? Pointless. All of the best gear in the game drops from raids so what's the point in having 214,748 Gold 36 Silver and 46 Copper? If you're going to sink that amount of time in the game to reach that cap, why not put it to better use and raid instead to benefit your character(s)? Now, I know some top tier items come from crafting, but you don't need to be an auctioneer to justify those items. Just what I want to do, sit in the AH of Stormwind or Ironforge, buying and selling garbage on an RPG. Now, if you were a gold farmer (yes, you know the people), then I could understand that. Pray you don't get banned. -_-...

     

    10. /ignore is for the weak. Yeah, ok. Ignore is what keeps 50% of the WoW population from being banned due to the foul language crybabies that /report someone from trade chat (or raid chat) because they dont have their bad word filter on OR their kids are playing and yet they aren't smart enough to go into the options and turn this feature on. I have 5 80's over 2 accounts. Last thing I want to have is one of those accounts banned because of some punk kid mouthing off to me (because he thinks he's better dps, healer, etc...) and I have to put him in his place.... which then warrants my account being suspended/banned. /ignore is definitely needed and really comes in handy for those "Chuck Norris" and "Anal" comments everyone gets tired of reading.

     

    11. Doesn't exist anymore on 90% of the PvE servers. This isn't vanilla WoW. Prior to x-realm battlegrounds/arena, each faction knew the other as well as their own, regardless if they spoke jibberish in /say. Now since x-realm exists, all of that has declined to non-existant. I've played since vanilla beta and am also one of the retards who achieved Grand Marshal (on my hunter of all characters =P). PvP was life back then for those who chose that path (and PvE for others). Now, its garbage. PvE outweighs PvP in almost all aspects. Survivability has turned into a DPS race. I miss the old days of 36 hour AV's and fishing naked in AB at the blacksmith.

     

    WoW = boring. And yes, its purely a matter of opinion. 100% of us are doing it right. We're doing it just the way we want to and in the end, that's what matters.

  • SonikFlashSonikFlash Member UncommonPosts: 561

    Originally posted by Aison2

    A reason raiding will suck:

    T11 looks ugly for 70% of the classes. Rogue looks like santa after a visit in Arabian Nights

    pally t11 rocks stfu :P


  • nefermornefermor Member Posts: 70

    We are buying it but I worry .   I worry that the new old world will be a smaller version of the original.  They seem to be focusing a lot on status also and and Im afraid it will become even more of a funnel into E-Sport. 

    Then there are heir loom items , they are adding more and its weird cause why are they talking like they want to make the starter gardens more user friendly for newbies and then throw the newbies in with total HL geard grinders.   Its like a huge puzzel piece forced into the totally wrong spot.   At the moment drops pre 75 are pretty much just DE fodder already because of HL gear.

    Finally ... the Worgen female model.   Which is pretty much just one model with different fur, ear and hair choices.   Same eyes , same snout.  Thats right .... so far they only finished one and it looks like they might try to pawn it off as the whole set.  I dont get that ether cause 4 months ago the complete set was leaked on Youtube and they were pretty awsome minus the unfinished hair.   Oh well ...

    I dont know I just keep scratching my head and asking my self what are they smoking up there?   but then agian like many people when the new games launch in the spring ...I'm gone for the last time.  

     

     

     

  • WeretigarWeretigar Member UncommonPosts: 600

    there was no lvl 80 3 years ago /???? or lvl 70 for that matter.

  • UrazielUraziel Member Posts: 172

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Originally posted by nedox

    No matter how much people try to come up with ways that CATA will suck, it will still be a great game. If you dnt like it, quit it. it is very simply, you dont have to opose your opinion on other people who will like it.

    And no matter how much people should actually read the posts/threads they respond to they still won't and we'll continue to have a few laughs.

    This expansion's going to be great fun for many folks, of course there are minuses with the pluses, that's true of everything in life, and of course, some folks won't care for it at all.

     

     

    [Mod Edit]

    Let's focus on the core of the article yes. It's supposed to be funny, witty and clever at taking a stab at "the big one", but what the writer neglects, is the "being actually funny" part. For something to be funny, the intonation and manner of writing have to be of such a quality that the reader can identify himself with the situation and "feel" the joke. All jokes on the expense of WoW have been made, they've been made half a decade ago and they're still being made. Making fun of aspects of the game that are not Cataclysm related and quite frankly written so badly, that they wouldn't even be funny 6 years ago, makes this article a piece of toiletpaper. That is, if you'd actually print this stuff.

    I too feel that WoW should've had a less fixed "end-game" level. In Ragnarok (the original) you could be lvl ~84 and join the big guys, while you could still level up to 99 (and later with a remort function/advanced class from 1-99 and 1-99), to improve your abilities. Fact of the matter is, WoW doesn't and it hasn't for the last 5+ years. So please, stop trying to be funny and be funny (tip: be original..)

    And I'm sorry, starting with a disclaimer to let everyone know that this is actually FUNNY HAH HAH HAH HAH, doesn't mean that the audience is going to laugh, without someone holding up a sign "laugh now". Very American to be polite enough to laugh, but let's face it, badly written, not funny when supposed to, old facts and fiction...Hunter joke got old people..  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laugh_track

    No, my hunter is not my main.

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  • jpaqjrjpaqjr Member CommonPosts: 1

    you all remember first intalling world of warcraft, and actually NOT knowing what is around every corner....wanting to explore because you DIDNT know what was out there. not knowing every single quesline and zone was fun. If cataclysms new old world can bring that feeling, which im not sure if it can, it will be worth playing.

    also, it seems to me people in wow arnet even interested in having fun anymore. they just sit in cities like they are lobies and wait for their invite to the guild raid. people just come, do their weekly raid, daily quests and dungeons if they want. i remember sitting in neutral zones with a few friends waiting for a chance for some open world pvp. now its icc icc icc, gearscore gearscore gearscore. people dont do things just cuz anymore. its taking the fun aspect out of the game.

    all in all. if blizzard can break the terrible habbits of thier players than wow would be 10x better. but recently they have failed to do this. i know that some will disagree with me but thats what i think

  • just1opinionjust1opinion Member UncommonPosts: 4,641

    Even though I know the OP was "tongue in cheek," there is ONE point that I disagree with:

     

    Hunters will no longer roll on everything....FINALLY. Why, you ask? Because before....there really was NO stat a hunter didn't get SOME amount of benefit from. NOW, however, hunters no longer use INT (or spirit...spirit does nothing for a hunter at all, and neither does int now)....and INT cannot be reforged. SO....that should at least stop them from rolling on druid resto and healer gear (yes, some huntards wear leather) and on the mail gear that is better suited to shamans.

     

    It will also keep them away from WEAPONS with INT on them.  And hunters used to be greedy mofos with weapons....ANY weapons.

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  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519

    Cataclysm in a nutshell for me is like an old lady going to the hospital for a cortisone shot.  Yea it might releave the acks & pains for a little while but you know their going to come back in 3 weeks.

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  • KbobKbob Member Posts: 81

    Just another guy that cant handle the fact that WoW is still the best thing on the market.

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,822

    I would defiantly like to be a Mod in WoW. I would start of by having character creation ask you this question.


     


    What is your Intelligence Quotient:


     


    a) 01 – 09


    b) 10+


     


    If you answer ‘a’ the game tells you are too young to play.


    If you answer ‘b’ you have are 4+ years of age and can play.


     


    :)


     


    We have players here who are so attached to their MMO that they see no negative side to anything new the MMO brings in. This is made more absurd when changes, such as dumbing down are occuring across the MMO genre. But that won't happen in WoW...right.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    That happened last time too but those players quit again after 2 months play. The real question is if Wow can get them to continue this time.

    I am not so sure, I think most of those will level up to max and then play a bit of the revamped areas and then quit again after 3-4 months. But it all depends why they quit.

    But I don't think Wow will regain the number of western subs it once got no matter how many good expansions they releases, the game is getting older and Blizzard have moved Kaplan and many of the other good people to the next MMO instead. In Chine it can grow a lot, many people say that 2 out of 3 Wow players live in China but even if it is a lot less the potential is huge. I think Wow can easily get 20 million player there.

    I don't think any haters will get either happy or sad about the future of Wow, it will continue like it have the last 3 years in the west until the game is about 10 years old when the plunge comes. But Blizzard should be having their next MMO out by then so the Blizz fans will still play one of their games.

  • dadantedadante Member Posts: 8

    when gw 2 comes out  wow population gonna decrease alot  same whit aion  and  cause  wow is more  old maybe come the time taht the game will be free  = whit aion  thos old  same  mmo mechanism gonna get bored    and im not saying this cause ihate wow or aion  no tho i play both games icanttalk whitouth experiment  games  and diferent kind of mmo  but basically  almost all is the same thing as for GW2 thing gonna chance and   is  what iwas loking for a game even gw 1  impresed me whit his originality even tho they have the tank and healer class  , btw  now is time for a new mmo generation  and thats what gw 2 gonna bring   , lets say is game of the year alredy  dont matter the year (2010-211) it gonna be a big  game

    (SORRY MI BAD SPELLING)

  • taylor2144taylor2144 Member Posts: 64

    Im going to be straight out... an this is my opinion so obviously everyones different BUT.. to me, those Reasons are terrible.

    -Of course everyones going the new races, who wants to roll soemthing you have been able to do for So many years

    -I think however that some people will actually just lvl a New Race/Class combo  i.e. Human hunter.... which bliz have done to attempt reduced Worgen/goblins

    -FINALLY alliance get a scary looking character (now im horde/alli so dont go all "horde ftw" bulshit on me.... Its a fucking game)

    -I have seen a lot of cataclysm info and let me tell you, whilst they have changed LOTS, blizz are trying to keep old school parts of the game in there

    -No longer will we get only continous quests of "Kill 20 boars", now "pick up 10 hides".... there will be variety and entertainment

    -Last thing.... Wow hasnt been for a long time... and will NEVER be vanilla.... so i know its hard too, but we should let go, cause vanilla is gone and a new Era of total AWESOMNESS is on the way!

  • starchildx64starchildx64 Member Posts: 2

    Fun article, I like your points of view :)

  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726

    There are some good reasons the Cataclysm version is going to be less of a game.

    1. They eliminated weapon skills, one of the few good points in the game imo, it now just automatically skills up with level.

    2. The talent redesign is extreme oversimplification.   Basically you can't freelance your character design, you choose your build and have little choice over what skills you have.  Bad decision in my view, especially with many new games approaching.

    3. Still many of the older instances have not been redesigned to fit into the current game.  

    The game was too simple as it was, now it is even more ridiculously simple.  They are going to have some very bored players when SWTOR, GW2, TERA, Rift, etc come out.  Not a good thing for Blizzard.

  • UzlebUzleb Member Posts: 162

    Typo in the title.  It should be


    Seven Reasons Cataclysm WILL Suck.

    GW2 FTW

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  • swing848swing848 Member UncommonPosts: 292

    Do you mean they did away with requirements external to what was supplied with WoW?  A few examples follow, I know there were more available:

    WoWus [Update Finder]

    Thotbot

    Wowhead

    Titan Panel, to include:

    BonusScanner

    Broker_BonusScanner

    Titan

    TitanAmmo

    TitanBag

    TitanClock

    TitanCoords

    TitanGoldTracker

    TitanLootType

    TitanPerformance

    TitanRegen

    TitanRepair

    TitanVolume

    TitanXP

    Enchantrix.org:

    Auctioneer

    Auctioneer Suite

    And, don't forget wow.allakhazam.com



    Now, I know that being in a good guild even a dork can run around pretending to do something.  However, if a person needs to do something solo, he or she needed a lot of help figuring out a lot of things.  Not everyone was willing to turn every rock for 100 years in an effort to finish a string of quests for the first time solo.

    So, again, I take it that WoW comes with all the above mentioned add-ons and helps, and more because I did not list everything available, and in a manner that a 4 year old can easily navigate. 

    Is that so?

     EDIT: 

    And, will there be a relatively small map where 1,000+ farmers can get ALL high level materials easily?  Fast item pops included?  After all, there are lots of people on the servers and they have to compete with each other AND the bot farmers.

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  • EffusEffus Member Posts: 1

    Originally posted by Philby



    Originally posted by Garvon3


    Originally posted by Philby


    Originally posted by Garvon3


    Originally posted by Philby


    Originally posted by Garvon3

    Saying "Oh no, WoW is so easy a 4 year old can do it" is a bit late don't you think? WoW has been the simplest MMO on the market since its launch. This is no different. And complaining about increasing the level cap? Its the laziest expansion tactic in the book, and its the only one WoW can ever come up with, nothing new here. These are reasons why WoW has always sucked and will continue to suck. They don't know how to do proper game design. They just snatch other company ideas and improve and execute them flawlessly  as they come. 

    Fixed it for ya.

    Right, because WoW's battleground's are better than Dark Age of Camelot battlegrounds right? Their crafting system is the best on the market? Housing, unparreleled! RvR? Best in the business. PvE content? Oh man, those huge 100 man raids that WoW has, so much better than Vanguard or Camelot or EverQuest! Oh wait... WoW only half asses said ideas and adds it to their "collection"? Raids in WoW are pretty small and linear. It's crafting is nothing special. It's PvP is terrible. It has no housing. Class customization is almost non existant. What exactly did it execute flawlessly? Quest grinding? 

    The entire game is executed flawlessly. That is the reason for its success and why 12 million people disagree with your emotional statement that WOW sucks.

     It's funny how you guys only ever have numbers as a defense. You know Beiber is the nations best selling musician right now? Guess his music is the greatest out there. 

    The reason WoW is successful is this a) its insanely simple b) it has the largest marketing budget in MMO history, and c) its aimed at people who don't play MMOs. 

    Almost all of its features were done better by another game first. If WoW was executed flawlessly, its raids wouldn't be an elitist club of gear grinding. It wouldn't need instances because population would be spread out properly. It wouldn't need PvE and PvP gear if it was balanced correctly. It wouldn't have such a bad reputation if it was perfect. 

    [Mod Edit]

    Which came first the marketing budget or the success?  How much of the "simple" endgame content have you completed? And please, stop with the "my 10 year old game is better" crap. If it were true it those ancient  games would be carving up the 12 million players that WOW has. Who invented, elves, dwaves and goblins?  The haters really need some new material becuase 6 years of repetition only shows desperation to make a point that is impossible to make.


     

    Hahaha, Blizzard invented all those races? Go climb back under rock and read something about "Warhammer".

     

    WoW was supposed to World of Warhammer but since Games Workshop didnt give em the license they just stole all of their lore...

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254

    Originally posted by Effus

    Originally posted by Philby

    Which came first the marketing budget or the success?  How much of the "simple" endgame content have you completed? And please, stop with the "my 10 year old game is better" crap. If it were true it those ancient  games would be carving up the 12 million players that WOW has. Who invented, elves, dwaves and goblins?  The haters really need some new material becuase 6 years of repetition only shows desperation to make a point that is impossible to make.


     

    Hahaha, Blizzard invented all those races? Go climb back under rock and read something about "Warhammer".

     

    WoW was supposed to World of Warhammer but since Games Workshop didnt give em the license they just stole all of their lore...

    Tolkien didn't invent those races, but he did popularize them. Dwarves, goblins, orc etc likely come from various mythologies and stories. Tolkien threw his own version together and we now have some base standard for what all these races are. They even seem to follow similar cultural norms throughout most fantasy. So many people are biting off Tolkien. Warhammer used many of their ideas from Tolkien. DnD used a lot of Tolkien's ideas before that. WoW also used Tolkien ideas. Almost everyone that does typical high fantasy is robbing from one dude that rules them all.

  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726

    "Hahaha, Blizzard invented all those races? Go climb back under rock and read something about "Warhammer".

    WoW was supposed to World of Warhammer but since Games Workshop didnt give em the license they just stole all of their lore...

    Warhammer fanboys really crack me up, Games-Workshop never invented anything, they borrowed from many.  Just because Wow's MMO is so successful and the Mythic travesty is such a laughing stock, they have to announce their ignorance.

  • bdewbdew Member UncommonPosts: 192

    In next episode: 7 reasons why mmorpg.com DOES suck.

     

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