Honestly, most of my friends would go "Eh?" on hearing Bioware ("What's a bioware? Something out of William Gibson novels?") and would probably look down on an obvious high concept such as a Star Wars game.
You'd have to show them a totally novel and innovative idea to get them out of WOW (or rather the "no gaming" state that's followed it). You see, it was their first MMO as well as first their RPG in most cases. So, you've got quests and a leveling system? Too bad, they will probably refuse investing months or years into the same paradigm. To me, Blizzard's utmost success was to sell the MMO & RPG to these kind people *for the very first time* - to people who game only as long as the game feels somewhat novel to them. And if there's nothing novel around, well, they just won't play anything. That's what you would call "casual" gamers, only they do invest quite a lot of hours once they're hooked.
To me, hooking those sort of potential players is some pretty tough task. It would take a game that's different from WOW as Ultima Online was different from Deus Ex. I don't think this is it - I mean, not yet. At least I'm not seeing anyone around me that's even moderately interested. It's pretty much a wait-and-see game as things stand..
I tried to convince my brother this was going to be a pretty good game, but with all the misinformation being spread around he is not interested. Although, after showing him som gameplay he said, "Yea that looks like a pretty fun game", but my recent talk with him he isn't really looking forward to the game or it seems he does not have plans to buy it.
My brother is 21- 22 or something.
Anyhow, I noticed a guy say hes teenage son wasn't interested. Of course not, this is Star Wars.. A more fantasy type game would seem right up their alley.
I feel bad for teh guy who sold his freinds on not playing a game we know like 5 pct of.. Wow really the no sandbox tunnell shooter bothers u so much u end up convincing or arguing so hard that your freinds shouldnt play it.?
Im sorry but until someone who has had a hands on or i play it myself and dont like it im not gonna let anyone change my mind on this game. I dont knwo if it will be a great game im hoping it will because its star wars and playing jedi/ sith is just cool.
As for the guy who said pvp is what keeps players not really. Replayability and end game weather pve or pvp keeps players. If u have a pretty good end game with both pve and pvp content and u have a game thats fun and enjoyable to roll alts ull have a succesful game.
I think u need both to be truly succesfu.l but its not just because of pvp without the pve adn replayability u lost a huge part of your population. If pvp were the be all end all of gaming eve no wow would have 12 mil subs.
Anyhow, I noticed a guy say hes teenage son wasn't interested. Of course not, this is Star Wars.. A more fantasy type game would seem right up their alley.
Anyhow, I noticed a guy say hes teenage son wasn't interested. Of course not, this is Star Wars.. A more fantasy type game would seem right up their alley.
Eh? What's your reasoning there?
Star Wars is pretty big ip. Although the majority of fans are older people. People who remember the original 3 episodes from the 70's.. People who watched the newer episode 1-3. People who have played the games throughout the years. I guess it is pretty popular amongst all ages, but it is more popular amongst older people I would imagine. Say the more die hard star wars fanatics are probably older players.
May or may not be the case, but that is what I am gathering from seeing all the star wars conventions and Gamer/comic conventions. All the star wars fans seem to be on the older side.
Star Wars is pretty big ip. Although the majority of fans are older people. People who remember the original 3 episodes from the 70's.. People who watched the newer episode 1-3. People who have played the games throughout the years. I guess it is pretty popular amongst all ages, but it is more popular amongst older people I would imagine. Say the more die hard star wars fanatics are probably older players.
May or may not be the case, but that is what I am gathering from seeing all the star wars conventions and Gamer/comic conventions. All the star wars fans seem to be on the older side.
That clone war show is pretty popular with kids. We older people want something more oldschool and truer to the original movies (healers and stealth, WTF?).
But I think they can get many of the younger kids to play it, probably more than a game based on the old lore would get of older fans.
Heck no! EVERYONE will buy SWTOR! I have absolutely no doubt about that, unless some really nasty, blowing new info surfaces, I doubt you have to convince people. Star Wars and Bioware will sell it to everyone.
I have a friend who hates SW and won't play it. Then again, he talked a ton of people into trying at release so... lol.
What's the point of getting them sold on the game before it comes out? You even made this point for me...there is a lack of info on the game right now. Wait until it launches, see how everyone reacts, then try to sell it. It's pointless until then.
This.
I'd actually go a step further and ask why you want to sell them on it now? Seems a bit odd to me, trying to persuade your friends and family to get their enthusiasm invested in a game when you don't have the faintest idea yourself whether it's going to be fantastic or terrible.
Originally posted by Drachasor
Originally posted by sungodra
Anyhow, I noticed a guy say hes teenage son wasn't interested. Of course not, this is Star Wars.. A more fantasy type game would seem right up their alley.
Eh? What's your reasoning there?
Well, if he's a teenager, the Star Wars IP has been sullied to the level of garbage for most of his life. It's more than 11 years since The Phantom Menace came out.
Star Wars is pretty big ip. Although the majority of fans are older people. People who remember the original 3 episodes from the 70's.. People who watched the newer episode 1-3. People who have played the games throughout the years. I guess it is pretty popular amongst all ages, but it is more popular amongst older people I would imagine. Say the more die hard star wars fanatics are probably older players.
May or may not be the case, but that is what I am gathering from seeing all the star wars conventions and Gamer/comic conventions. All the star wars fans seem to be on the older side.
That clone war show is pretty popular with kids. We older people want something more oldschool and truer to the original movies (healers and stealth, WTF?).
But I think they can get many of the younger kids to play it, probably more than a game based on the old lore would get of older fans.
Speak for yourself Loke666. I am 37 years old and I can't wait for this game. Neither can a good portion of my friends and their families. From my mates youngest kid of 7 up to my brother at 46. There is quite a large group of us waiting for this game.
I agree the Prequel Trilogy and the whole Clone Wars thing are nonsense (although the kids do enjoy them), however, one of the best Star Wars related stories since the Original Trilogy played itself out in KOTOR. The Old Republic period is a very interesting time in the Star Wars galaxy, and the great thing about it is that Bioware practically wrote all the lore for this time period so there are no blatant WTF aspects like there were in SWG. Thousands of Jedi running around in a time when they were practically extinct. And that was happening even in Pre-CU. Hell, I had two of the buggers.
I really enjoy BioWare's single-player RPG's and I think that SW:ToR is gonna keep me and my friends happy for a long time. I'm one of the more hardcore players out of my group, so I plan on playing every class so that I can experience all the different storylines. Whereas the majority of my group will probably only play 3 or 4 different classes, maximum. My only problem is trying to convince everyone to go Sith Empire on their main characters...
So, to sum up, you may not be interested in SW:ToR, but there are plenty of people who are, both young and old.
MMORPG History: Playing - EVE Online. Played (Retired) - AO, SWG, MxO, WoW, RFO, SoR, CoX, EQ2, GW, L2, Vanguard, LotRO, AoC, TCoS, Aion. Favourite MMO - Pre-CU SWG, 3 Years, 4 Accounts, 2 Pre-CU Jedi (1 Pre-9). Awaiting - Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Secret World, Earthrise.
i don't now whats worse. Bioware selling out to develop a subpar game, or most of the "fanboi's" not listening to people/reviewers that have actually played it or beta tested it. So far it's been majority based that the game just isn't as good as they advertise.
I feel bad for teh guy who sold his freinds on not playing a game we know like 5 pct of.. Wow really the no sandbox tunnell shooter bothers u so much u end up convincing or arguing so hard that your freinds shouldnt play it.?
I dont have to do alot of arguing. See I'm one of those old guys who knows a bunch of other old guys who got into the Betas. I can smell garbage from a mile away and trust me after you pay your dues and get burned by a few games like ( Dark and Light) and a few other rare gems, you get a nose for this kind of thing. I know exactly what kind of animal this game is.
Hasn't been hard to get friends/family sold on this game for the simple reason they are all Star Wars fans and have been following the game since it was announced.
The problem is them getting me sold on the game, because I'm not really a Star Wars fan and no matter how much I liked ME and KOTOR, I refuse to get hyped about a game before I get a chance to play it.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
I feel bad for teh guy who sold his freinds on not playing a game we know like 5 pct of.. Wow really the no sandbox tunnell shooter bothers u so much u end up convincing or arguing so hard that your freinds shouldnt play it.?
I dont have to do alot of arguing. See I'm one of those old guys who knows a bunch of other old guys who got into the Betas. I can smell garbage from a mile away and trust me after you pay your dues and get burned by a few games like ( Dark and Light) and a few other rare gems, you get a nose for this kind of thing. I know exactly what kind of animal this game is.
Heh. Yeah, we should all trust in your garbage smelling nose. Based on it's history, has it ever steered you wrong before?
Honestly, most of my friends would go "Eh?" on hearing Bioware ("What's a bioware? Something out of William Gibson novels?") and would probably look down on an obvious high concept such as a Star Wars game.
You'd have to show them a totally novel and innovative idea to get them out of WOW (or rather the "no gaming" state that's followed it). You see, it was their first MMO as well as first their RPG in most cases. So, you've got quests and a leveling system? Too bad, they will probably refuse investing months or years into the same paradigm. To me, Blizzard's utmost success was to sell the MMO & RPG to these kind people *for the very first time* - to people who game only as long as the game feels somewhat novel to them. And if there's nothing novel around, well, they just won't play anything. That's what you would call "casual" gamers, only they do invest quite a lot of hours once they're hooked.
To me, hooking those sort of potential players is some pretty tough task. It would take a game that's different from WOW as Ultima Online was different from Deus Ex. I don't think this is it - I mean, not yet. At least I'm not seeing anyone around me that's even moderately interested. It's pretty much a wait-and-see game as things stand..
I feel bad for teh guy who sold his freinds on not playing a game we know like 5 pct of.. Wow really the no sandbox tunnell shooter bothers u so much u end up convincing or arguing so hard that your freinds shouldnt play it.?
I dont have to do alot of arguing. See I'm one of those old guys who knows a bunch of other old guys who got into the Betas. I can smell garbage from a mile away and trust me after you pay your dues and get burned by a few games like ( Dark and Light) and a few other rare gems, you get a nose for this kind of thing. I know exactly what kind of animal this game is.
I can't believe you refrenced Dark and Light. That's how you shaped up that talent in detecting failure, a game like DnL? You deserved to get burned by a game like DnL for actually buying into it. Keep trying to figure things out, sounds like you need more practice.
Edit: I bet you was a Pioneer too, weren't you. Hah
After playing many games EA has hand their hands in I know better to avoid this game. Bioware - Awesome at making stories and I bet the story will be phenominal.
I feel bad for teh guy who sold his freinds on not playing a game we know like 5 pct of.. Wow really the no sandbox tunnell shooter bothers u so much u end up convincing or arguing so hard that your freinds shouldnt play it.?
I dont have to do alot of arguing. See I'm one of those old guys who knows a bunch of other old guys who got into the Betas. I can smell garbage from a mile away and trust me after you pay your dues and get burned by a few games like ( Dark and Light) and a few other rare gems, you get a nose for this kind of thing. I know exactly what kind of animal this game is.
I always like the "I've been burned by so many MMOs in the past, I know what to look for in a bad MMO." stance.
Funny thing is, I've never been burned by an MMO in the past (unless you count the NGE, but at least I got some good time out of SWG before that), and I've been playing MMOs for just over 10 years now (counting Phantasy Star Online). Even the game I thought I got burned on with a bad launch - Vanguard SoH, turned out to be a fantastic game in a relatively short time. I ended up subbing to that game for 6 months.
Anyhow, I noticed a guy say hes teenage son wasn't interested. Of course not, this is Star Wars.. A more fantasy type game would seem right up their alley.
Eh? What's your reasoning there?
Well, if he's a teenager, the Star Wars IP has been sullied to the level of garbage for most of his life. It's more than 11 years since The Phantom Menace came out.
I think that just boils down to making up crap about kids. It's a very common pastime among some people, but I don't think it is necessarily accurate to any degree. It isn't like they don't watch older movies.
What's the point of getting them sold on the game before it comes out? You even made this point for me...there is a lack of info on the game right now. Wait until it launches, see how everyone reacts, then try to sell it. It's pointless until then.
This.
I'd actually go a step further and ask why you want to sell them on it now? Seems a bit odd to me, trying to persuade your friends and family to get their enthusiasm invested in a game when you don't have the faintest idea yourself whether it's going to be fantastic or terrible.
Originally posted by Drachasor
Originally posted by sungodra
Anyhow, I noticed a guy say hes teenage son wasn't interested. Of course not, this is Star Wars.. A more fantasy type game would seem right up their alley.
Eh? What's your reasoning there?
Well, if he's a teenager, the Star Wars IP has been sullied to the level of garbage for most of his life. It's more than 11 years since The Phantom Menace came out.
Exactly, there is gap here which I think Lucas recognized hence the Clone Wars series was released, to try and make the IP more relevant to younger viewers. I assure you, right now there is a large portion of the teenage population that has almost no interest in the SW's franchise.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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When I send people over to SWTOR to check out the game they say....
"oh I get the story stuff, but how does it play, what are some of the mechanics, how is PvP what makes it different? Is crafting worth it? any good combat videos? skill info ect?"
uhhh i don't know yet, wait till launch
"Oh, ok"
they head Back to WoW and their interest just goes away.
I've tried to show people the videos on the site, lack of excitement is what follows. We all may enjoy it, but people on the outside don't know what to make of "Sith, My story"
Honestly, it's been a hard damn game to sell to my friends and family who actually play MMOs. Why? Because the info on this site is mostly lore based and makes people think the game is 4 years away.
We haven't really gotten any ground breaking info at all, almost all the updates are LORE related, or lore related mechanics. I appreciate their enthusiasm for their lore, story ect, but come on, not all of us are hardcore lore hounds, and like to know about button mashing mechanics, skills, crafting and pvp. Ask the average MMO gamer out there. I think they sold the game on Star Wars fans, and BioWare fans were already sold, but the site is so vague as to how the game plays it alludes most people on the outside. They think, Oh, it’s just another crap MMO, next.
Oh, and before you think I'm trolling. look back at my post history, I've been waiting for this game longer than most of you here.
Ummm I've never wasted my time trying to sell people on someone elses products, I am an avid Star Wars fan and Bioware have made some of my favorite games but it's neither my place to sell the game nor do I know that I wouldn't be wearing egg on my face by doing so, and that's regardless of whether I like it or not.
I am a pretty picky person so I have to admit there aren't many games that I start checking for early but for the ones I do I don't tend to see any more info pre launch than this game has, so I wonder why people keep talking like this game is so different than most mmorpgs or video games in general. Until a game is ready to launch you are pretty much only going to see screenshots, and maybe some short gameplay videos.
My thinking is all these questions about where the gameplay and such is isn't even relevant unless beta comes up and we still don't know much.
Generally though it seems to me like the people you are speaking of aren't mmorpg fans anyway and if that's the case why would you really expect them to care? From my experience people learn pretty early on if they like mmorpgs or not and that doesn't change often because of the "carrot on the stick" design that is just not for all gamers.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Anyhow, I noticed a guy say hes teenage son wasn't interested. Of course not, this is Star Wars.. A more fantasy type game would seem right up their alley.
Eh? What's your reasoning there?
Well, if he's a teenager, the Star Wars IP has been sullied to the level of garbage for most of his life. It's more than 11 years since The Phantom Menace came out.
I think that just boils down to making up crap about kids. It's a very common pastime among some people, but I don't think it is necessarily accurate to any degree. It isn't like they don't watch older movies.
Honestly though it's really not, I have a nephew who is about thirteen years old and I had him over for a weekend a few weeks back and was shocked when he told me he really didn't know much about Star Wars (just Jedi's and that they use lightsabers which he thought were cool) and he had never seen any of the movies, the only reason he even knew what it was is because he had played The Force Unleashed, since then I asked some of the boys at my daughters school and you'd be surprised by how many of them know next to nothing about Star Wars but they all knew what Jedi and lightsabers were (again mostly from Force Unleashed and the fact that there is almost always a toy lightsaber for sale and an accompanying commercial).
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
It has star wars in the name it takes no convincing at all everyone i know even tried that clone wars kids game that sony just came out wiht just because it has star wars in the name, the name alone is going to make this game sell as many as units as wow did wehn it first released bioware and starwars what more do you need to sell this game to anyone.
Most of my friends have moved away from playing MMORPGs. And the ones that are willing to try an MMO again are more interested in Guild Wars 2 because of its lack of a monthly fee (and being more accessible for people that don't want to commit all their time to just one game).
I'm certainly going to try SWTOR, but if it's not mind-blowingly great I'll probably just settle with Guild Wars 2. I'm not that desperate to get into another subscription-based MMO. I haven't played one in nearly a year.
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Honestly, most of my friends would go "Eh?" on hearing Bioware ("What's a bioware? Something out of William Gibson novels?") and would probably look down on an obvious high concept such as a Star Wars game.
You'd have to show them a totally novel and innovative idea to get them out of WOW (or rather the "no gaming" state that's followed it). You see, it was their first MMO as well as first their RPG in most cases. So, you've got quests and a leveling system? Too bad, they will probably refuse investing months or years into the same paradigm. To me, Blizzard's utmost success was to sell the MMO & RPG to these kind people *for the very first time* - to people who game only as long as the game feels somewhat novel to them. And if there's nothing novel around, well, they just won't play anything. That's what you would call "casual" gamers, only they do invest quite a lot of hours once they're hooked.
To me, hooking those sort of potential players is some pretty tough task. It would take a game that's different from WOW as Ultima Online was different from Deus Ex. I don't think this is it - I mean, not yet. At least I'm not seeing anyone around me that's even moderately interested. It's pretty much a wait-and-see game as things stand..
I've sold alot of my freinds on reasons NOT to play this game.
I tried to convince my brother this was going to be a pretty good game, but with all the misinformation being spread around he is not interested. Although, after showing him som gameplay he said, "Yea that looks like a pretty fun game", but my recent talk with him he isn't really looking forward to the game or it seems he does not have plans to buy it.
My brother is 21- 22 or something.
Anyhow, I noticed a guy say hes teenage son wasn't interested. Of course not, this is Star Wars.. A more fantasy type game would seem right up their alley.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
I feel bad for teh guy who sold his freinds on not playing a game we know like 5 pct of.. Wow really the no sandbox tunnell shooter bothers u so much u end up convincing or arguing so hard that your freinds shouldnt play it.?
Im sorry but until someone who has had a hands on or i play it myself and dont like it im not gonna let anyone change my mind on this game. I dont knwo if it will be a great game im hoping it will because its star wars and playing jedi/ sith is just cool.
As for the guy who said pvp is what keeps players not really. Replayability and end game weather pve or pvp keeps players. If u have a pretty good end game with both pve and pvp content and u have a game thats fun and enjoyable to roll alts ull have a succesful game.
I think u need both to be truly succesfu.l but its not just because of pvp without the pve adn replayability u lost a huge part of your population. If pvp were the be all end all of gaming eve no wow would have 12 mil subs.
Eh? What's your reasoning there?
Star Wars is pretty big ip. Although the majority of fans are older people. People who remember the original 3 episodes from the 70's.. People who watched the newer episode 1-3. People who have played the games throughout the years. I guess it is pretty popular amongst all ages, but it is more popular amongst older people I would imagine. Say the more die hard star wars fanatics are probably older players.
May or may not be the case, but that is what I am gathering from seeing all the star wars conventions and Gamer/comic conventions. All the star wars fans seem to be on the older side.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
That clone war show is pretty popular with kids. We older people want something more oldschool and truer to the original movies (healers and stealth, WTF?).
But I think they can get many of the younger kids to play it, probably more than a game based on the old lore would get of older fans.
my guild's been waiting anxiously to play since its announcement
I have a friend who hates SW and won't play it. Then again, he talked a ton of people into trying at release so... lol.
This.
I'd actually go a step further and ask why you want to sell them on it now? Seems a bit odd to me, trying to persuade your friends and family to get their enthusiasm invested in a game when you don't have the faintest idea yourself whether it's going to be fantastic or terrible.
Well, if he's a teenager, the Star Wars IP has been sullied to the level of garbage for most of his life. It's more than 11 years since The Phantom Menace came out.
Speak for yourself Loke666. I am 37 years old and I can't wait for this game. Neither can a good portion of my friends and their families. From my mates youngest kid of 7 up to my brother at 46. There is quite a large group of us waiting for this game.
I agree the Prequel Trilogy and the whole Clone Wars thing are nonsense (although the kids do enjoy them), however, one of the best Star Wars related stories since the Original Trilogy played itself out in KOTOR. The Old Republic period is a very interesting time in the Star Wars galaxy, and the great thing about it is that Bioware practically wrote all the lore for this time period so there are no blatant WTF aspects like there were in SWG. Thousands of Jedi running around in a time when they were practically extinct. And that was happening even in Pre-CU. Hell, I had two of the buggers.
I really enjoy BioWare's single-player RPG's and I think that SW:ToR is gonna keep me and my friends happy for a long time. I'm one of the more hardcore players out of my group, so I plan on playing every class so that I can experience all the different storylines. Whereas the majority of my group will probably only play 3 or 4 different classes, maximum. My only problem is trying to convince everyone to go Sith Empire on their main characters...
So, to sum up, you may not be interested in SW:ToR, but there are plenty of people who are, both young and old.
MMORPG History:
Playing - EVE Online.
Played (Retired) - AO, SWG, MxO, WoW, RFO, SoR, CoX, EQ2, GW, L2, Vanguard, LotRO, AoC, TCoS, Aion.
Favourite MMO - Pre-CU SWG, 3 Years, 4 Accounts, 2 Pre-CU Jedi (1 Pre-9).
Awaiting - Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Secret World, Earthrise.
i don't now whats worse. Bioware selling out to develop a subpar game, or most of the "fanboi's" not listening to people/reviewers that have actually played it or beta tested it. So far it's been majority based that the game just isn't as good as they advertise.
I dont have to do alot of arguing. See I'm one of those old guys who knows a bunch of other old guys who got into the Betas. I can smell garbage from a mile away and trust me after you pay your dues and get burned by a few games like ( Dark and Light) and a few other rare gems, you get a nose for this kind of thing. I know exactly what kind of animal this game is.
Hasn't been hard to get friends/family sold on this game for the simple reason they are all Star Wars fans and have been following the game since it was announced.
The problem is them getting me sold on the game, because I'm not really a Star Wars fan and no matter how much I liked ME and KOTOR, I refuse to get hyped about a game before I get a chance to play it.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Heh. Yeah, we should all trust in your garbage smelling nose. Based on it's history, has it ever steered you wrong before?
I find your second paragraph to be suspect.
I can't believe you refrenced Dark and Light. That's how you shaped up that talent in detecting failure, a game like DnL? You deserved to get burned by a game like DnL for actually buying into it. Keep trying to figure things out, sounds like you need more practice.
Edit: I bet you was a Pioneer too, weren't you. Hah
After playing many games EA has hand their hands in I know better to avoid this game. Bioware - Awesome at making stories and I bet the story will be phenominal.
So taking a pass on this one.
I always like the "I've been burned by so many MMOs in the past, I know what to look for in a bad MMO." stance.
Funny thing is, I've never been burned by an MMO in the past (unless you count the NGE, but at least I got some good time out of SWG before that), and I've been playing MMOs for just over 10 years now (counting Phantasy Star Online). Even the game I thought I got burned on with a bad launch - Vanguard SoH, turned out to be a fantastic game in a relatively short time. I ended up subbing to that game for 6 months.
I think that just boils down to making up crap about kids. It's a very common pastime among some people, but I don't think it is necessarily accurate to any degree. It isn't like they don't watch older movies.
Exactly, there is gap here which I think Lucas recognized hence the Clone Wars series was released, to try and make the IP more relevant to younger viewers. I assure you, right now there is a large portion of the teenage population that has almost no interest in the SW's franchise.
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Ummm I've never wasted my time trying to sell people on someone elses products, I am an avid Star Wars fan and Bioware have made some of my favorite games but it's neither my place to sell the game nor do I know that I wouldn't be wearing egg on my face by doing so, and that's regardless of whether I like it or not.
I am a pretty picky person so I have to admit there aren't many games that I start checking for early but for the ones I do I don't tend to see any more info pre launch than this game has, so I wonder why people keep talking like this game is so different than most mmorpgs or video games in general. Until a game is ready to launch you are pretty much only going to see screenshots, and maybe some short gameplay videos.
My thinking is all these questions about where the gameplay and such is isn't even relevant unless beta comes up and we still don't know much.
Generally though it seems to me like the people you are speaking of aren't mmorpg fans anyway and if that's the case why would you really expect them to care? From my experience people learn pretty early on if they like mmorpgs or not and that doesn't change often because of the "carrot on the stick" design that is just not for all gamers.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Honestly though it's really not, I have a nephew who is about thirteen years old and I had him over for a weekend a few weeks back and was shocked when he told me he really didn't know much about Star Wars (just Jedi's and that they use lightsabers which he thought were cool) and he had never seen any of the movies, the only reason he even knew what it was is because he had played The Force Unleashed, since then I asked some of the boys at my daughters school and you'd be surprised by how many of them know next to nothing about Star Wars but they all knew what Jedi and lightsabers were (again mostly from Force Unleashed and the fact that there is almost always a toy lightsaber for sale and an accompanying commercial).
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
It has star wars in the name it takes no convincing at all everyone i know even tried that clone wars kids game that sony just came out wiht just because it has star wars in the name, the name alone is going to make this game sell as many as units as wow did wehn it first released bioware and starwars what more do you need to sell this game to anyone.
Most of my friends have moved away from playing MMORPGs. And the ones that are willing to try an MMO again are more interested in Guild Wars 2 because of its lack of a monthly fee (and being more accessible for people that don't want to commit all their time to just one game).
I'm certainly going to try SWTOR, but if it's not mind-blowingly great I'll probably just settle with Guild Wars 2. I'm not that desperate to get into another subscription-based MMO. I haven't played one in nearly a year.