I think not so, even i have following opinion about WoW: "WoW is a big disapointment and prime example showing what to much success leads to. It is not a bad game, in fact it was quite a good game at its time, after the initial bugs were ironed out and all got stable. The big disapointment lies therein that the outstanding financial success the game had not has led to a better game, to deeper gameplay, to more options of gameplay like housing, detailed and ambitious crafting, worldbulding areas but only to kind of a force not to do anything that could maybe hurt this outstanding financial success in the eyes of the decisionmakers. All they do with all their money is not to advance the game, the genre but only to clamp their claws into their playerbase and squeeze out the money with the same trick over and over again. That is why WoW is the very biggest disapointment in the history of mmorpgs up to today and why big success does not translate into better gameplay but into a freeze of innovation bcs of the angst to lose somewhat! Therefore i wish with all my heart and my soul there will be a new game released that has advanced gameplay and success so the force is uppon Blizzard to advance or sink!!!" I would love if FF XIV has as much success as it can have bcs i think its a good game but to surpass WoW you need a very polished game with a very low entrance barrier and FF XIV showed in the beta they do not much care about entrance barriers and many potential customers wont get beyond the first hour of initial frustration! I have gone beyond my initial frustration and got aware how beautyfull the game ist and how much potential it offers with its healthy foundation of game mechanics but i know i count to a part of the gamers demographie that is not so common so i dont await miracles.
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It depends on how good the gaming computers are in China's internet cafes. If they're good enough to handle ffxiv, then surely the ability to progress while only playing an hour or two would be appealing to Chinese gamers. That may in fact be the largest motivation behind making the game casual friendly.
FFXIV also has a more asian feel to it.
It could be huge over there. The fact that there was a huge uproar about "chocobos" being called "horse-birds" in the Chinese translation indicates to me that the Chinese are pretty excited about this game.
WoW has like 1-2 million in NA subs and 8 million in Chinese gaming cafe subs. FFXIV might only get 750k or 1 million NA subs, but, without knowing too much about it, it seems it could easily surpass the 8 million Chinese gaming cafe subs. Throw on another 1 or 2 million in Japanese subs and FFXIV has a chance.
It really depends on how good the Chinese internet cafe computers are. If they can't handle the game, then it's pretty much a moot point, at least for a year or two until the computers are updated.
Just how many do you think that own PS3 really have them for MMORPGs?
Seriously, the people who mainstream MMORPGs, and that being their Genre of choice own PC's
Consoles are more for SPRPGS, ARPS, FPS, Sports
I think VERY few of those that own PS3s will be investing into FFXIV.
Most people who owns a console dont even know what a MMO is.
But they will give it a try becouse is a FF game and becouse it will be advertised for ps3 release heavily.
If they chooce to stay or not thats somethin only time can tell.
"I think VERY few of those that own PS3s will be investing into FFXIV."
Let me say most of the 4.24 million who bought the latest single player FF game it for ps3, most likely will at the very least, willing to give the next ff game a try.You know with how adictive the whole mmo industry is , a whole lot of them will stay hooked for life.
I don't know about others, but to me there is a huge difference between the FF series, and the FFO series, and i have no interest in the FFO's, if i owned a console i'd buy every FF title i could run on it, minus the FFO titles. I just don't see how FF addicts would be foolish enough to buy this thinking it's like the traditional titles.
But your right on one thing, once you buy it, you own -- and thats where i say it is NOT about -intial- subs, it's about retaining, how many people keep playing past that first free month.
Well, if FFXI is any indication (it's hard to tell with FFXIV because we were limited in content we could see), it had:
- a diversive mix of dramatic and funny/silly fantasy elements
- good music
- good graphics (FF7 with the 3d map was pretty impressive at the time)
- more of a turn-based gameplay rather than twitch
- Chocobos!
- Cutscenes (anyone remember when Cid died on the Airship in FF4 in a dramatic fashion?)
- many of the same spells and effects are from the FF console games, along with the jobs (although FFXIV has all new jobs)
- probably number 1: It had an epic storyline. FFXI surely had the most involved and epic storyline of any mmorpg. It's unknown at this point whether FFXIV will have the same thing going for it because we were locked out of content during Beta. I certainly hope so, and I actually would be surprised if it doesn't- it is a Final Fanatsy title after all.
So, yeah. It has a lot of similar aspects. It's certainly more like the FF games than any other mmorpg.
Well, if FFXI is any indication (it's hard to tell with FFXIV because we were limited in content we could see), it had:
- a diversive mix of dramatic and funny/silly fantasy elements
- good music
- good graphics (FF7 with the 3d map was pretty impressive at the time)
- more of a turn-based gameplay rather than twitch
- Chocobos!
- Cutscenes (anyone remember when Cid died on the Airship in a dramatic fashion?)
- many of the same spells and effects are from the FF console games, along with the jobs (although FFXIV has all new jobs)
- probably number 1: It had an epic storyline. FFXI surely had the most involved and epic storyline of any mmorpg. It's unknown at this point whether FFXIV will have the same thing going for it because we were locked out of content during Beta. I certainly hope so, and I actually would be surprised if it doesn't.
So, yeah. It has a lot of similar aspects. It's certainly more like the FF games than any other mmorpg.
- Towns
- World map
lol.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Just how many do you think that own PS3 really have them for MMORPGs?
Seriously, the people who mainstream MMORPGs, and that being their Genre of choice own PC's
Consoles are more for SPRPGS, ARPS, FPS, Sports
I think VERY few of those that own PS3s will be investing into FFXIV.
Most people who owns a console dont even know what a MMO is.
But they will give it a try becouse is a FF game and becouse it will be advertised for ps3 release heavily.
If they chooce to stay or not thats somethin only time can tell.
"I think VERY few of those that own PS3s will be investing into FFXIV."
Let me say most of the 4.24 million who bought the latest single player FF game it for ps3, most likely will at the very least, willing to give the next ff game a try.You know with how adictive the whole mmo industry is , a whole lot of them will stay hooked for life.
I don't know about others, but to me there is a huge difference between the FF series, and the FFO series, and i have no interest in the FFO's, if i owned a console i'd buy every FF title i could run on it, minus the FFO titles. I just don't see how FF addicts would be foolish enough to buy this thinking it's like the traditional titles.
But your right on one thing, once you buy it, you own -- and thats where i say it is NOT about -intial- subs, it's about retaining, how many people keep playing past that first free month.
Well, if FFXI is any indication (it's hard to tell with FFXIV because we were limited in content we could see), it had:
- a diversive mix of dramatic and funny/silly fantasy elements
- good music
- good graphics (FF7 with the 3d map was pretty impressive at the time)
- more of a turn-based gameplay rather than twitch
- Chocobos!
- Cutscenes (anyone remember when Cid died on the Airship in a dramatic fashion?)
- many of the same spells and effects are from the FF console games, along with the jobs (although FFXIV has all new jobs)
- probably number 1: It had an epic storyline. FFXI surely had the most involved and epic storyline of any mmorpg. It's unknown at this point whether FFXIV will have the same thing going for it because we were locked out of content during Beta. I certainly hope so, and I actually would be surprised if it doesn't- it is a Final Fanatsy title after all.
So, yeah. It has a lot of similar aspects. It's certainly more like the FF games than any other mmorpg.
To be quite honest, FFXII felt exactly as FFXI, but with better graphics.As far as gameplay goes.IMO.With the obvious diference that you moved all the Pcs instead of them being controler by another player.It was amazing just how similar this 2 games were.1 online and 1 single player.
PS: Actually Divion, have you played the ff series? becouse even on ffxiv that is aparently so hated, i can tell you definetly "FEEL" like your playing a FF game right from the start.At least for me it is, and im sure many can agree with me.
And no im not talking bout all the tecknical problems, im talking bout the game atmosphere, the lore, the story, etc.
I already stated this is a half baked game before someone calls me a stupid fanboy or (insert insult here ). If you can or can not put up with that is up to you and you only.
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Honestly... does it really matter? Instead of it being WoW jokes it's now going to be FFXIV jokes... that's the only difference I can imagine.
Overall whether FFXIV can or does or doesn't pass WoW in subscriptions it really doesn't mean anything except us being more crowded. At least we have a lot of space to run away to I guess...
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As stated here many times now, no, FFXIV won't pass WoW in subs, or even come close. The game is a niche game, and niche games cater to a specific audience.
WoW's approach was a more broader approach that targeted a wider audience. They wanted everyone to be able to enjoy their product. Every game decision made by Blizzard has shown this, as well as their graphics engine. The game can run on just about anything, and smoothly.
Short answer ; completely different game styles and targeted audiences. FFXIV can't topple WoW, but then again. Who can?
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"If all you can say is... "It's awful, it's not innovative, it's ugly, it's blah.." Then you're an unimaginative and unpolished excuse for human life" -eburn
compare the combat between the two and then seriously try and come back and ask that question.
You do have a point there. I leveled my dwarf hunter from level 1 all the way to level 80 on hunting animals for thier skins and never died once. Not once nope. In FFXIV Beta I died like 30 times in under level 10. Seriously yeah, I agree there is a BIG difference in the combat. But does this have anything to do with subscription numbers? Are you trying to imply that easy combat and no fear of death makes WoW more appealing to paying subscribers? You kind of lost me there.
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China release means nothin for sells, i agree with you completly.
The big chunk of subscribers is coming from ps3, world wide.As i stated few posts before..
Yes, I think PS3 will be the big difference for FFXIV, it works much better with a controller than keyboard/mouse and it is going to have less performance issues.
I suspect you'll see healthy numbers in Japan and North America and smaller numbers in Europe (due to the lack of PvP).
Other territories will contribute thousands, nothing of any significance.
The question I have is that in a world where most console players don’t have to pay a monthly fee to play online how many are willing to for a game like FFXIV or DC Online?
Guess we shall see in November when DC Online comes out since it’s coming to the PS3 before FFXIV.
Yes, it's always possible. The changes of that happening are about the same as if 10 million people suddenly decided to play Vanguard or some other near-dead MMO.
I doubt even Blizzard could reproduce the WoW phenomenon again if they wanted to. It was the right thing for the right time and Blizzard was there, with the right combination of enjoyable but not too difficult. Nice story but not too deep. Excellent marketing but still starting with a healthy enough base of franchise fans. WoW was the perfect storm of the MMO world. And it wouldn't suprise me if they only now had half as many subscribers as they had at their peak.
So no, even for as successfull as I expect FFXIV to be, which I expect will be over 1million after the ps3 release, I doubt they come close to where WoW is now let alone where it got to at its peak.
Will FF 14 surpass wow in sub numbers? I seriously doubt the game will surpass eq2 sub numbers! The Western audience will be lucky to see more than 200k subscribers after the free month and 100k after the second month.. Why you ask? Well, lets be honest, most people who followed Final Fantasy are all in their late 20's early 30's like me. I played the first FF game on the Nintendo called Final Fantasy Mystic Quest when I was 6 years old... I loved the FF series as the years went by. Although, When FF Online came out, I had already tasted the MMO market with games like EQ and UO.. To me, FF Online appealed mainly to children between the ages of 8-15, and those with families of adults being 30+.. I can guarantee, most Western audiences 16-26 year olds were playing EQ, DAOC, and UO at that time.
With that said, after checking out FF 14, it just won't appeal to young adult gamers due to the fact the game looks and feels like a childish kiddy MMO.. Of course, If I had kids around the age of 7-13 years old, and lets say they were excstatic about playing the game, I'd definitely play with them and enjoy the game for what it is,, with my family... As I'm sure many of you with families will do If your kids are excited over the game.. But many MMO gamers out there in the Western World are adults ages 18-35, and the majority of them are looking for something more mature than FF14 seems to offer..
I would have loved to see FF14 appeal to gamers 18-35, but it seems square enix would rather go after the younger younger crowd and those with families as opposed to the age group that truly runs the MMO business....
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I really can not see where this game is targeted at childs.
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I think not so, even i have following opinion about WoW:
"WoW is a big disapointment and prime example showing what to much success leads to.
It is not a bad game, in fact it was quite a good game at its time, after the initial bugs were ironed out and all got stable.
The big disapointment lies therein that the outstanding financial success the game had not has led to a better game, to deeper gameplay, to more options of gameplay like housing, detailed and ambitious crafting, worldbulding areas but only to kind of a force not to do anything that could maybe hurt this outstanding financial success in the eyes of the decisionmakers.
All they do with all their money is not to advance the game, the genre but only to clamp their claws into their playerbase and squeeze out the money with the same trick over and over again.
That is why WoW is the very biggest disapointment in the history of mmorpgs up to today and why big success does not translate into better gameplay but into a freeze of innovation bcs of the angst to lose somewhat!
Therefore i wish with all my heart and my soul there will be a new game released that has advanced gameplay and success so the force is uppon Blizzard to advance or sink!!!"
I would love if FF XIV has as much success as it can have bcs i think its a good game but to surpass WoW you need a very polished game with a very low entrance barrier and FF XIV showed in the beta they do not much care about entrance barriers and many potential customers wont get beyond the first hour of initial frustration!
I have gone beyond my initial frustration and got aware how beautyfull the game ist and how much potential it offers with its healthy foundation of game mechanics but i know i count to a part of the gamers demographie that is not so common so i dont await miracles.
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
MWO Music Video - What does the Mech say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6HYNqCDLI
Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0x2iwK0BKM
It depends on how good the gaming computers are in China's internet cafes. If they're good enough to handle ffxiv, then surely the ability to progress while only playing an hour or two would be appealing to Chinese gamers. That may in fact be the largest motivation behind making the game casual friendly.
FFXIV also has a more asian feel to it.
It could be huge over there. The fact that there was a huge uproar about "chocobos" being called "horse-birds" in the Chinese translation indicates to me that the Chinese are pretty excited about this game.
WoW has like 1-2 million in NA subs and 8 million in Chinese gaming cafe subs. FFXIV might only get 750k or 1 million NA subs, but, without knowing too much about it, it seems it could easily surpass the 8 million Chinese gaming cafe subs. Throw on another 1 or 2 million in Japanese subs and FFXIV has a chance.
It really depends on how good the Chinese internet cafe computers are. If they can't handle the game, then it's pretty much a moot point, at least for a year or two until the computers are updated.
Well, if FFXI is any indication (it's hard to tell with FFXIV because we were limited in content we could see), it had:
- a diversive mix of dramatic and funny/silly fantasy elements
- good music
- good graphics (FF7 with the 3d map was pretty impressive at the time)
- more of a turn-based gameplay rather than twitch
- Chocobos!
- Cutscenes (anyone remember when Cid died on the Airship in FF4 in a dramatic fashion?)
- many of the same spells and effects are from the FF console games, along with the jobs (although FFXIV has all new jobs)
- probably number 1: It had an epic storyline. FFXI surely had the most involved and epic storyline of any mmorpg. It's unknown at this point whether FFXIV will have the same thing going for it because we were locked out of content during Beta. I certainly hope so, and I actually would be surprised if it doesn't- it is a Final Fanatsy title after all.
So, yeah. It has a lot of similar aspects. It's certainly more like the FF games than any other mmorpg.
- Towns
- World map
lol.
To be quite honest, FFXII felt exactly as FFXI, but with better graphics.As far as gameplay goes.IMO.With the obvious diference that you moved all the Pcs instead of them being controler by another player.It was amazing just how similar this 2 games were.1 online and 1 single player.
PS: Actually Divion, have you played the ff series? becouse even on ffxiv that is aparently so hated, i can tell you definetly "FEEL" like your playing a FF game right from the start.At least for me it is, and im sure many can agree with me.
And no im not talking bout all the tecknical problems, im talking bout the game atmosphere, the lore, the story, etc.
I already stated this is a half baked game before someone calls me a stupid fanboy or (insert insult here ). If you can or can not put up with that is up to you and you only.
I'm going to say no for two reasons.
1) As mentioned by others, I suspect Chinese players will not have the computer hardware to run this game well.
2) I think there's still some animosity in China against all things Japanese.
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Honestly... does it really matter? Instead of it being WoW jokes it's now going to be FFXIV jokes... that's the only difference I can imagine.
Overall whether FFXIV can or does or doesn't pass WoW in subscriptions it really doesn't mean anything except us being more crowded. At least we have a lot of space to run away to I guess...
RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
LOL this isn't a real question is it?
compare the combat between the two and then seriously try and come back and ask that question.
No it won't but it will do well. It is a Final Fantasy game ever all.
As stated here many times now, no, FFXIV won't pass WoW in subs, or even come close. The game is a niche game, and niche games cater to a specific audience.
WoW's approach was a more broader approach that targeted a wider audience. They wanted everyone to be able to enjoy their product. Every game decision made by Blizzard has shown this, as well as their graphics engine. The game can run on just about anything, and smoothly.
Short answer ; completely different game styles and targeted audiences. FFXIV can't topple WoW, but then again. Who can?
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"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II
"People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
No. Not even with a China release.
"If all you can say is... "It's awful, it's not innovative, it's ugly, it's blah.." Then you're an unimaginative and unpolished excuse for human life" -eburn
You do have a point there. I leveled my dwarf hunter from level 1 all the way to level 80 on hunting animals for thier skins and never died once. Not once nope. In FFXIV Beta I died like 30 times in under level 10. Seriously yeah, I agree there is a BIG difference in the combat. But does this have anything to do with subscription numbers? Are you trying to imply that easy combat and no fear of death makes WoW more appealing to paying subscribers? You kind of lost me there.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
The question I have is that in a world where most console players don’t have to pay a monthly fee to play online how many are willing to for a game like FFXIV or DC Online?
Guess we shall see in November when DC Online comes out since it’s coming to the PS3 before FFXIV.
Yes, it's always possible. The changes of that happening are about the same as if 10 million people suddenly decided to play Vanguard or some other near-dead MMO.
I doubt even Blizzard could reproduce the WoW phenomenon again if they wanted to. It was the right thing for the right time and Blizzard was there, with the right combination of enjoyable but not too difficult. Nice story but not too deep. Excellent marketing but still starting with a healthy enough base of franchise fans. WoW was the perfect storm of the MMO world. And it wouldn't suprise me if they only now had half as many subscribers as they had at their peak.
So no, even for as successfull as I expect FFXIV to be, which I expect will be over 1million after the ps3 release, I doubt they come close to where WoW is now let alone where it got to at its peak.
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Will FF 14 surpass wow in sub numbers? I seriously doubt the game will surpass eq2 sub numbers! The Western audience will be lucky to see more than 200k subscribers after the free month and 100k after the second month.. Why you ask? Well, lets be honest, most people who followed Final Fantasy are all in their late 20's early 30's like me. I played the first FF game on the Nintendo called Final Fantasy Mystic Quest when I was 6 years old... I loved the FF series as the years went by. Although, When FF Online came out, I had already tasted the MMO market with games like EQ and UO.. To me, FF Online appealed mainly to children between the ages of 8-15, and those with families of adults being 30+.. I can guarantee, most Western audiences 16-26 year olds were playing EQ, DAOC, and UO at that time.
With that said, after checking out FF 14, it just won't appeal to young adult gamers due to the fact the game looks and feels like a childish kiddy MMO.. Of course, If I had kids around the age of 7-13 years old, and lets say they were excstatic about playing the game, I'd definitely play with them and enjoy the game for what it is,, with my family... As I'm sure many of you with families will do If your kids are excited over the game.. But many MMO gamers out there in the Western World are adults ages 18-35, and the majority of them are looking for something more mature than FF14 seems to offer..
I would have loved to see FF14 appeal to gamers 18-35, but it seems square enix would rather go after the younger younger crowd and those with families as opposed to the age group that truly runs the MMO business....
Rallithon Oakthornn
(Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
This game really won't ever make it to WoW Subsriptions.
I really can not see where this game is targeted at childs.
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
MWO Music Video - What does the Mech say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6HYNqCDLI
Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0x2iwK0BKM
Maybe 500+ from launch til whenever. This game does not cater to the masses so I'm not expecting big numbers. I guess we'll see when it launches.
WoW is a superior game with superior controls and much friendlier system specs... that is all it will take to dominate FFXIV.
Haha FFXIV is terrible. Logged into beta did each area and logged out. Beautiful game with sluggish mechanics.
"Its better to look ugly and win than pretty and lose"
For years to come? It's more like XIV vs. Blizzard's next MMO, at this point.
In asian countries... yeah maybe. They like some weird stuff over there.
wow isnt superior its easy mode