Absolutely nothing Jacklo, which is why I'm not playing anything at all.
However, it's not a question of how much per month as opposed to quality per month. Give me a quality game worthy of more then $15/month and I'll pay it.
BTW right now I don't think there is anything wirth $5.00 a month, nevermind $15.00.
Same here man, and believe me I've tried so many, both paid and F2P.
At the end of the day, I can live with SWG's shortcomings because I know what they are and they don't affect me unless I chose.
I still enjoy the community, compared to WOW and AION they seem a lot more mature.
I enjoy that I can speak to the opposite faction, who are often quite decent themselves.
I enjoy that I can co-operate with the opposite faction (instances for example).
I enjoy the "/duel" system.
I enjoy the "PBS".
I enjoy that I can PVP anywhere in the world.
I enjoy that I can move freely anywhere in the world.
I enjoy that I can build a house and decorate it.
I enjoy the diversity of characters in both looks and skills.
I enjoy the interaction between traders, entertainers and combat professions.
And the list goes on...
These are the things I miss from other games.
I can think of many games that do 1 or 2 of them better, but no game I have played so far comes close to covering them all reasonably well.
I wonder what the agenda is of some people on here.
My ONLY goal is to be truthful. I don't stretch it and I try not to push it one way or the other. If you like the game, I'm thrilled for ya as that's the goal of ANY game on the market and we all have different tastes - what appeals to you may not appeal to me...doesn't make me right or you wrong, just different. If you hate it, I understand that too. But I won't sit by and watch the truth be stretched in either way when I know it's being done either.
I wonder what the agenda is of some people on here.
If I can come back to the game and enjoy it, why put other people off doing the same thing?
Sure SWG has bugs/exploits, but no more than most games. I even see a Darkfall player here... that's a game brimming with hacks and exploits.
The fact is SWG can be enjoyable, whether for PVP or PVE.
All the talk about wall hugging and LOS issues... you don't need to put yourself in that situation. Anyone who has played a while knows where this can happen. What's the big deal trying to kill someone taking advantage of it? Just don't bother with them, they'll soon get bored.
The thread was asking "How easy is it to get back into SWG?" but has turned into a troll infested SWG bashing thread by some people who probably haven't even played the game recently.
I played WAR for over 12 months. PVP was great, but the "end game" content crashed the server on almost EVERY SINGLE OCCASION after hours of work to get there, and when you talk about LOS, this game had it in abundance with no way to avoid it.
All games have problems, so unless the game you play is perfect, I don't see the point of your comments other than some revenge against SOE.
Time to let it go!
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Just wanted to mention something about population and server merges too.
Some servers for SWG have been dropped (after how many years?) and several servers merged.
I played WAR for a little over 12 months and suffered no less than 3 server merges in that time. Absolutely ridiculous.
Some of the arguments in this thread have no substance whatsoever when compared to other games.
Agenda?, I was asked what could be done to improve SWG pvp, I answered, nothing more nothing less. But I will endeavour to respond to some of your comments.
You mention Darkfall, that does indeed have some exploits and hacks but thats besides the point, the pvp is far better then the pvp in SWG, I know because I have played both to the point where I am not a total scrub. Out of interest given your comment on DF I assume ofc you have played it extensively. As for WAR, yes the endgame was terribad, but the pvp system was far superior, again I took part in endgame city raids so I understand just how frustrating the game could be. But that doesn't take away from the fact that whilst the game fails on so many sides, it's base combat system was better then SWG.
Your mention of LOS shows that you either didn't understand my original comment on it (alluding to the med centre and certain bases), or you havent actually pvp'd recently. LOS in and of itself is not an issue, Line Of Sight, that is using the terrain for a tactical advantage is a technique everyone should utilise, and it is rightly so in many mmos. In SWG however nearly all pvp ends up being at the medcentre, and the medcentre is coded in such a way as to allow you to wallhug and abuse the 2nd room in such away that is not intended... Whilst this can happen in other mmos, pvp in those other mmos is not purely restricted to one zone to the same extent as it is in SWG, so it is a glaring issue in SWG whether you want to believe it is or not.
As I have mentioned in earlier post every mmo has it's flaws in one aspect or another but the combat system in UO, DAoC, WAR, AoC, EVE, GW, DF and hell even WoW is superior to SWG. Am I trolling? Am I saying SWG sucks balls? No, I'm simply stating the fact that in terms of pvp and combat systems these games for all their flaws are superior. I'm not pointing out that the mmos themselves are superior as that totally depends on what you as an individual want from the overall package, but the combat systems are better.
People are commenting because A) this is a public forum, and they feel that the SWG combat system is not all certain people have made it out to be.
Some 'vets' may troll SWG just because of the NGE, I'm not one of those people, I feel zero attachment to the game (probably because it wasn't my first mmo), but having spent my entire time in mmos pvping in some shape or form I am entitled to proffer my opinion, which is that SWG has piss poor pvp combat (note; I'm not saying SWG pvpers are by that extension, also piss poor).. That I've put forward ways to improve it should be testament enough to the fact that i'm not just trolling the thread.
PS why would WAR having a failing population and server merges have any relation to the comment about SWG pvp being naff? All the other mmos could suddenly vanish and it wouldn't make any difference as to whether or not SWG has poor pvp.......
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
I wonder what the agenda is of some people on here.
If I can come back to the game and enjoy it, why put other people off doing the same thing?
Sure SWG has bugs/exploits, but no more than most games. I even see a Darkfall player here... that's a game brimming with hacks and exploits.
The fact is SWG can be enjoyable, whether for PVP or PVE.
All the talk about wall hugging and LOS issues... you don't need to put yourself in that situation. Anyone who has played a while knows where this can happen. What's the big deal trying to kill someone taking advantage of it? Just don't bother with them, they'll soon get bored.
The thread was asking "How easy is it to get back into SWG?" but has turned into a troll infested SWG bashing thread by some people who probably haven't even played the game recently.
I played WAR for over 12 months. PVP was great, but the "end game" content crashed the server on almost EVERY SINGLE OCCASION after hours of work to get there, and when you talk about LOS, this game had it in abundance with no way to avoid it.
All games have problems, so unless the game you play is perfect, I don't see the point of your comments other than some revenge against SOE.
Time to let it go!
EDIT:
Just wanted to mention something about population and server merges too.
Some servers for SWG have been dropped (after how many years?) and several servers merged.
I played WAR for a little over 12 months and suffered no less than 3 server merges in that time. Absolutely ridiculous.
Some of the arguments in this thread have no substance whatsoever when compared to other games.
Agenda?, I was asked what could be done to improve SWG pvp, I answered, nothing more nothing less. But I will endeavour to respond to some of your comments.
You mention Darkfall, that does indeed have some exploits and hacks but thats besides the point, the pvp is far better then the pvp in SWG, I know because I have played both to the point where I am not a total scrub. Out of interest given your comment on DF I assume ofc you have played it extensively. As for WAR, yes the endgame was terribad, but the pvp system was far superior, again I took part in endgame city raids so I understand just how frustrating the game could be. But that doesn't take away from the fact that whilst the game fails on so many sides, it's base combat system was better then SWG.
I must say I haven't played Darkfall at all, probably put off by the number of complaints about hacking on these very boards. And then we're back to the PvP again. The game isn't all about PvP.
Your mention of LOS shows that you either didn't understand my original comment on it (alluding to the med centre and certain bases), or you havent actually pvp'd recently. LOS in and of itself is not an issue, Line Of Sight, that is using the terrain for a tactical advantage is a technique everyone should utilise, and it is rightly so in many mmos. In SWG however nearly all pvp ends up being at the medcentre, and the medcentre is coded in such a way as to allow you to wallhug and abuse the 2nd room in such away that is not intended... Whilst this can happen in other mmos, pvp in those other mmos is not purely restricted to one zone to the same extent as it is in SWG, so it is a glaring issue in SWG whether you want to believe it is or not.
I totally understand what you mean about the LOS, particularly in the Med Centre. The argument I put across is that you know where it happens and don't need to go in there at all. Wait for the opposition to come out or just leave them alone, they won't stay in for long. Take the fight somewhere else in other words. This couldn't be done in WAR because the issues were in the keep you were defending. Standing in the middle of the room on the top floor and getting dotted from people outside the keep on the ground was not amusing at all, especially when you hadn't even been out of the room for them to target you in the first place.
As I have mentioned in earlier post every mmo has it's flaws in one aspect or another but the combat system in UO, DAoC, WAR, AoC, EVE, GW, DF and hell even WoW is superior to SWG. Am I trolling? Am I saying SWG sucks balls? No, I'm simply stating the fact that in terms of pvp and combat systems these games for all their flaws are superior. I'm not pointing out that the mmos themselves are superior as that totally depends on what you as an individual want from the overall package, but the combat systems are better.
In your own words... "The only thing daunting about having to return to SWG would be the thought of paying for such abject crap again.".
If that's not saying SWG "sucks balls", I must be from another planet.
As I mentioned before, the title of the thread is "How easy is it to return?". What's that got to do with how much better or worse the combat is in another game?
People are commenting because A) this is a public forum, and they feel that the SWG combat system is not all certain people have made it out to be.
Some 'vets' may troll SWG just because of the NGE, I'm not one of those people, I feel zero attachment to the game (probably because it wasn't my first mmo), but having spent my entire time in mmos pvping in some shape or form I am entitled to proffer my opinion, which is that SWG has piss poor pvp combat (note; I'm not saying SWG pvpers are by that extension, also piss poor).. That I've put forward ways to improve it should be testament enough to the fact that i'm not just trolling the thread.
I personally don't believe the combat in SWG is "piss poor", of course there's room for improvement and some of your points are valid, but it's hardly in the dire state that you make it out to be.
PS why would WAR having a failing population and server merges have any relation to the comment about SWG pvp being naff? All the other mmos could suddenly vanish and it wouldn't make any difference as to whether or not SWG has poor pvp.......
My post wasn't directed entirely at yourself, I was referring to the thread as a whole and in this instance where some people have mentioned dead servers and having to switch. SWG is certainly not alone in this respect.
I've commented your post above.
To re-iterate, just because the PvP/combat system doesn't float your boat, it's not the same for everyone.
Yes I did PvP extensively and before leaving was somewhere within the top ten for kills on the server - as a BH, not an Officer or Commando so I do know what I'm talking about.
I wonder what the agenda is of some people on here.
If I can come back to the game and enjoy it, why put other people off doing the same thing?
Sure SWG has bugs/exploits, but no more than most games. I even see a Darkfall player here... that's a game brimming with hacks and exploits.
The fact is SWG can be enjoyable, whether for PVP or PVE.
All the talk about wall hugging and LOS issues... you don't need to put yourself in that situation. Anyone who has played a while knows where this can happen. What's the big deal trying to kill someone taking advantage of it? Just don't bother with them, they'll soon get bored.
The thread was asking "How easy is it to get back into SWG?" but has turned into a troll infested SWG bashing thread by some people who probably haven't even played the game recently.
I played WAR for over 12 months. PVP was great, but the "end game" content crashed the server on almost EVERY SINGLE OCCASION after hours of work to get there, and when you talk about LOS, this game had it in abundance with no way to avoid it.
All games have problems, so unless the game you play is perfect, I don't see the point of your comments other than some revenge against SOE.
Time to let it go!
EDIT:
Just wanted to mention something about population and server merges too.
Some servers for SWG have been dropped (after how many years?) and several servers merged.
I played WAR for a little over 12 months and suffered no less than 3 server merges in that time. Absolutely ridiculous.
Some of the arguments in this thread have no substance whatsoever when compared to other games.
Agenda?, I was asked what could be done to improve SWG pvp, I answered, nothing more nothing less. But I will endeavour to respond to some of your comments.
You mention Darkfall, that does indeed have some exploits and hacks but thats besides the point, the pvp is far better then the pvp in SWG, I know because I have played both to the point where I am not a total scrub. Out of interest given your comment on DF I assume ofc you have played it extensively. As for WAR, yes the endgame was terribad, but the pvp system was far superior, again I took part in endgame city raids so I understand just how frustrating the game could be. But that doesn't take away from the fact that whilst the game fails on so many sides, it's base combat system was better then SWG.
I must say I haven't played Darkfall at all, probably put off by the number of complaints about hacking on these very boards. And then we're back to the PvP again. The game isn't all about PvP.
I fully agree, SWG is not all about pvp, and thats why for many of the people who play it, it is a game that can provide enjoyment. People love the space aspect, the crafting and the fact that it's a Star Wars game. But in this thread, the posts that I have been making, have exclusively focused upon the pvp/combat aspect of the game.Yes in terms of the OP thats perhaps a little unfair (and i apologise for that), but it is in line with the debate I was having with Badgersmacker, as such it means everything as far as points are being made. If you are going to try and take my viewpoint for an extension to the overall game then you are taking it out of context I am afraid. I am only talking about pvp/combat in this thread.
Your mention of LOS shows that you either didn't understand my original comment on it (alluding to the med centre and certain bases), or you havent actually pvp'd recently. LOS in and of itself is not an issue, Line Of Sight, that is using the terrain for a tactical advantage is a technique everyone should utilise, and it is rightly so in many mmos. In SWG however nearly all pvp ends up being at the medcentre, and the medcentre is coded in such a way as to allow you to wallhug and abuse the 2nd room in such away that is not intended... Whilst this can happen in other mmos, pvp in those other mmos is not purely restricted to one zone to the same extent as it is in SWG, so it is a glaring issue in SWG whether you want to believe it is or not.
I totally understand what you mean about the LOS, particularly in the Med Centre. The argument I put across is that you know where it happens and don't need to go in there at all. Wait for the opposition to come out or just leave them alone, they won't stay in for long. Take the fight somewhere else in other words. This couldn't be done in WAR because the issues were in the keep you were defending. Standing in the middle of the room on the top floor and getting dotted from people outside the keep on the ground was not amusing at all, especially when you hadn't even been out of the room for them to target you in the first place.
Personally I only play mmo's and indeed any game to pvp (makes me a pretty one dimensional gamer no doubt) but it's what I enjoy. As such saying I can simply ignore the people are Restuss med centre and go and fight elsewhere is a bit of a no no really. Due to the population if I had simply lead my merry troop away to look for combat we would have ended up fighting diddly squat. Those people at the med centre would not up and leave, as they know full well that people will in time come to Restuss. You have to be there for regular pvp, thats just the way it is. I will add that I was often a med centre hogger so I am in no way setting myself up in that sense as being any better. I did try to promote pvp at other locations but the servers could not handle the numbers and people wanted the GCW tick, so in the end everyone migrated back to Restuss and the med centre.
As I have mentioned in earlier post every mmo has it's flaws in one aspect or another but the combat system in UO, DAoC, WAR, AoC, EVE, GW, DF and hell even WoW is superior to SWG. Am I trolling? Am I saying SWG sucks balls? No, I'm simply stating the fact that in terms of pvp and combat systems these games for all their flaws are superior. I'm not pointing out that the mmos themselves are superior as that totally depends on what you as an individual want from the overall package, but the combat systems are better.
In your own words... "The only thing daunting about having to return to SWG would be the thought of paying for such abject crap again.".
If that's not saying SWG "sucks balls", I must be from another planet.
As I mentioned before, the title of the thread is "How easy is it to return?". What's that got to do with how much better or worse the combat is in another game?
The 'abject crap' part was a throw away in the heat of the moment after being tired of reading the hyperbole about the only thing putting people off SWG was the fact that it was so indepth and uber. You will be glad to know I suffered a infraction for it lol In seriousness though, as I said above, talking about combat purely is unfair in terms of the overarching thread, but given I've only been responding to comments on combat/pvp, and given I've catagorically stated each time I'm only talking about pvp I fail to see where i've been remiss.
People are commenting because A) this is a public forum, and they feel that the SWG combat system is not all certain people have made it out to be.
Some 'vets' may troll SWG just because of the NGE, I'm not one of those people, I feel zero attachment to the game (probably because it wasn't my first mmo), but having spent my entire time in mmos pvping in some shape or form I am entitled to proffer my opinion, which is that SWG has piss poor pvp combat (note; I'm not saying SWG pvpers are by that extension, also piss poor).. That I've put forward ways to improve it should be testament enough to the fact that i'm not just trolling the thread.
I personally don't believe the combat in SWG is "piss poor", of course there's room for improvement and some of your points are valid, but it's hardly in the dire state that you make it out to be.
And yet I personally find it exactly that 'piss poor', you find it not so bad, c'est la vie it's such differences which make public forums worth while. On the flip side, when asked, in my defence I have profered sound reasons why I think that to be the case and provided examples of how I think the games pvp can be improved.
PS why would WAR having a failing population and server merges have any relation to the comment about SWG pvp being naff? All the other mmos could suddenly vanish and it wouldn't make any difference as to whether or not SWG has poor pvp.......
My post wasn't directed entirely at yourself, I was referring to the thread as a whole and in this instance where some people have mentioned dead servers and having to switch. SWG is certainly not alone in this respect.
Fair enough.
I've commented your post above.
To re-iterate, just because the PvP/combat system doesn't float your boat, it's not the same for everyone.
Yes I did PvP extensively and before leaving was somewhere within the top ten for kills on the server - as a BH, not an Officer or Commando so I do know what I'm talking about.
I can fully understand that SWG players can enjoy the pvp system in the game. For me, having played more pvp centric mmo's as well as SWG itself, when someone posts a comment on a public forum about it I feel in a position to provide an opinion on the matter. Most will completely ignore it or consider it bull shit but hey ho I wouldn't expect any thing else.
I'll make this my final post on the matter; SWG has many merits, one of which being the likes of Badgersmacker (although I'm amazed he can stand it being an oldschool UO player) promoting it and putting forward ideas and suggestions as to how it can improve. But for me, the game is well down there in the mmo ranking in terms of pvp and general combat mechanics. I offer that opinion as someone who has pvp'd to a competitive level in many an mmo (too many..) to think he knows something of the subject worth mentioning. I've given examples of where I feel it is lacking and methods I think the devs can use to improve those areas. But I digress.
Good luck in the game.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
I think if you ignore the PVP in SWG - which imo, is just as rubbish as ever, i dont really see them fixing it unfortunately, but the rest of the game isnt as bad as it used to be, the PVE aspects can be fun, particularly space, SWG remains one of the best space combat sims i've seen in a long time, certainly there arent any mmo's currently around that are as good and its definitely a hell of a lot better than the SW:TOR's poor attempt..
Fortunately it is possible to play the game without getting involved in the PVP, even on the ground, although there are 2 factions in game, Imperial and Rebel, you dont really have to join either of them, i'd even go further and say that the neutral factioned Starships are better than the faction ones.. and you can eventually fly your own 'millenium falcon' if you can find a few friends to operate the guns anyway.... the ground combat animations arent bad, and at least playing pve with a few friends you can actually watch them.. still too many jedi though
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Same here man, and believe me I've tried so many, both paid and F2P.
At the end of the day, I can live with SWG's shortcomings because I know what they are and they don't affect me unless I chose.
I still enjoy the community, compared to WOW and AION they seem a lot more mature.
I enjoy that I can speak to the opposite faction, who are often quite decent themselves.
I enjoy that I can co-operate with the opposite faction (instances for example).
I enjoy the "/duel" system.
I enjoy the "PBS".
I enjoy that I can PVP anywhere in the world.
I enjoy that I can move freely anywhere in the world.
I enjoy that I can build a house and decorate it.
I enjoy the diversity of characters in both looks and skills.
I enjoy the interaction between traders, entertainers and combat professions.
And the list goes on...
These are the things I miss from other games.
I can think of many games that do 1 or 2 of them better, but no game I have played so far comes close to covering them all reasonably well.
My ONLY goal is to be truthful. I don't stretch it and I try not to push it one way or the other. If you like the game, I'm thrilled for ya as that's the goal of ANY game on the market and we all have different tastes - what appeals to you may not appeal to me...doesn't make me right or you wrong, just different. If you hate it, I understand that too. But I won't sit by and watch the truth be stretched in either way when I know it's being done either.
Agenda?, I was asked what could be done to improve SWG pvp, I answered, nothing more nothing less. But I will endeavour to respond to some of your comments.
You mention Darkfall, that does indeed have some exploits and hacks but thats besides the point, the pvp is far better then the pvp in SWG, I know because I have played both to the point where I am not a total scrub. Out of interest given your comment on DF I assume ofc you have played it extensively. As for WAR, yes the endgame was terribad, but the pvp system was far superior, again I took part in endgame city raids so I understand just how frustrating the game could be. But that doesn't take away from the fact that whilst the game fails on so many sides, it's base combat system was better then SWG.
Your mention of LOS shows that you either didn't understand my original comment on it (alluding to the med centre and certain bases), or you havent actually pvp'd recently. LOS in and of itself is not an issue, Line Of Sight, that is using the terrain for a tactical advantage is a technique everyone should utilise, and it is rightly so in many mmos. In SWG however nearly all pvp ends up being at the medcentre, and the medcentre is coded in such a way as to allow you to wallhug and abuse the 2nd room in such away that is not intended... Whilst this can happen in other mmos, pvp in those other mmos is not purely restricted to one zone to the same extent as it is in SWG, so it is a glaring issue in SWG whether you want to believe it is or not.
As I have mentioned in earlier post every mmo has it's flaws in one aspect or another but the combat system in UO, DAoC, WAR, AoC, EVE, GW, DF and hell even WoW is superior to SWG. Am I trolling? Am I saying SWG sucks balls? No, I'm simply stating the fact that in terms of pvp and combat systems these games for all their flaws are superior. I'm not pointing out that the mmos themselves are superior as that totally depends on what you as an individual want from the overall package, but the combat systems are better.
People are commenting because A) this is a public forum, and
they feel that the SWG combat system is not all certain people have made it out to be.
Some 'vets' may troll SWG just because of the NGE, I'm not one of those people, I feel zero attachment to the game (probably because it wasn't my first mmo), but having spent my entire time in mmos pvping in some shape or form I am entitled to proffer my opinion, which is that SWG has piss poor pvp combat (note; I'm not saying SWG pvpers are by that extension, also piss poor).. That I've put forward ways to improve it should be testament enough to the fact that i'm not just trolling the thread.
PS why would WAR having a failing population and server merges have any relation to the comment about SWG pvp being naff? All the other mmos could suddenly vanish and it wouldn't make any difference as to whether or not SWG has poor pvp.......
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
I've commented your post above.
To re-iterate, just because the PvP/combat system doesn't float your boat, it's not the same for everyone.
Yes I did PvP extensively and before leaving was somewhere within the top ten for kills on the server - as a BH, not an Officer or Commando so I do know what I'm talking about.
I can fully understand that SWG players can enjoy the pvp system in the game. For me, having played more pvp centric mmo's as well as SWG itself, when someone posts a comment on a public forum about it I feel in a position to provide an opinion on the matter. Most will completely ignore it or consider it bull shit but hey ho I wouldn't expect any thing else.
I'll make this my final post on the matter; SWG has many merits, one of which being the likes of Badgersmacker (although I'm amazed he can stand it being an oldschool UO player) promoting it and putting forward ideas and suggestions as to how it can improve. But for me, the game is well down there in the mmo ranking in terms of pvp and general combat mechanics. I offer that opinion as someone who has pvp'd to a competitive level in many an mmo (too many..) to think he knows something of the subject worth mentioning. I've given examples of where I feel it is lacking and methods I think the devs can use to improve those areas. But I digress.
Good luck in the game.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
I think if you ignore the PVP in SWG - which imo, is just as rubbish as ever, i dont really see them fixing it unfortunately, but the rest of the game isnt as bad as it used to be, the PVE aspects can be fun, particularly space, SWG remains one of the best space combat sims i've seen in a long time, certainly there arent any mmo's currently around that are as good and its definitely a hell of a lot better than the SW:TOR's poor attempt..
Fortunately it is possible to play the game without getting involved in the PVP, even on the ground, although there are 2 factions in game, Imperial and Rebel, you dont really have to join either of them, i'd even go further and say that the neutral factioned Starships are better than the faction ones.. and you can eventually fly your own 'millenium falcon' if you can find a few friends to operate the guns anyway.... the ground combat animations arent bad, and at least playing pve with a few friends you can actually watch them.. still too many jedi though