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Potential new player - done a bit of reading, have a few questions
Eyelids
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So I’ve heard EVE fired over the airwaves for some time now and for whatever reason it’sfinally made me curious enough to consider checking it out. Although I’m not a n00b to MMO's this one seems quite different in scope. I've been doing some research online for a couple of days now and Iconsider myself informed to an extent as to what it’sall about. But as with all things internets,there comes a point where i get tired of trawlingthe net for specific answers and resort to the wonders of forums...a retched hive of scum and villainy.
Is this game for me? I hate care bears and love PvP. I’m not interested in waiting forever to get stuck in to killing people and want to know how quickly I can get involved in the action.
Faction war sounds appealing as does nul sec alliance wars or low sec pirating. Although I have not decided what specifically I will go for initially I intend to give all of them a shot.
I’m away on business for a few days, so I not in a position to fire up the turbines just yet. I’ve got a bit more time to do some reading so as to make those first few days of gaming that much smoother.
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EVE is a cold, niche game, and very rewarding to those who put effort into it. From your post you have been putting effort into it, researching and reading about it. I believe that you will find EVE a good addition to your game library. Message Leovarian Lavitz in-game once you have your character created and we'll get you situated doing what you love: pew pew. We will also help you through the initial EVE-hurdles.
Leovarian Lavitz
Ghost
Space is cold, and silent. Good. Once im in i'll contact you. I'm not going to pay for anything just yet, i'll go for the trial account and see how it goes. If the PvP is good then i'll almost certainly stay, cound care less about mining. In the mean time I'll be hanging around these forums trying to get more info.
If you need, I can give you a 21-days Buddy Invite trial instead of the normal 14 days or what its like. ^^
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Better having an extra free week. I'll be in touch when im back home and ready to get things moving.
Send me a PM with your E-mail when you can, so I can send you the Buddy Invite.
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If you don't like carebears EvE is for you . Even in so called "safe" zones you can get into PvP through either sneaky tactics (who mainly works with newbies) or just through suicide killing . You off course have the low sec zones where engaging in PvP is as easy as locking the target and shooting it and null sec where you don't even lose security status when you PvP . So basically ye , EvE is a pretty PvP oriented game .
When it comes on the time needed to get involved in the action i'd say it depends . If you really focus learning only specific skills you need for certain ships/outfits you can get a pretty decent PvP ship out pretty quickly . But from what i heard being good at PvP'ing will require some losses (unless you have had pretty good teachers ) .
Now when it comes to alliances and corps , don't get your hopes up too much . Unless you can get into them through people you know most require you to have X amount of skill points (you could say its the Gearscore of WoW) , so that would most likely be something for later on .
And i would say that if you give eve a try you might be better off beginning before going on a trip as there is nothing better than putting skills on the training queue and coming back to see your char with new skills .
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Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
Unforunately I am away on business at the moment. Im not going to be free to start this for another couple of days yet. So in the mean time Im gonna keep reading up.
The PvP aspect seems a lot more solid than some other MMORPGs I've played. And one thing I have learned over the years is that with a bit of knowledge there are always short cuts to get in to the action quickly. The sooner I get to PvP the sooner I'll see how much I can enjoy this game.
From what i have read so far on various sites its quite possible to go out pvping with a frigate in low sec with just a humble amount of trained skills. Sure some of these guys writing this stuff are long time players that have done this with alts but its still proof that its possible. So thats my first plan of action and i fully expect to lose ships but when the costs are quite low (not sure exactly how much) I dont think it will be a major problem. Im not being arrogant, i just cant bare to start up another MMORPG and spend ages before i get to do the good stuff. With EVE this actually sounds more plausable than i first thought, especially when compared to a lot of other MMORPGS out there.
I suppose instead of low sec I could also join in faction war of the bat. Thoughts?
It all depends on your definition of "the good stuff". The plain fact is that it will be a long long time until you can fly the very largest ships in EVE. Realistically a "main account" character will take a couple of years to get to the point where he is able to fly a capital ship (an alt account character can get there quite a bit quicker by only training the skills that pertain, but that's another story).
However.
Most of the players who the EVE community think of as "PVPers" do not think of capital ships as "the good stuff". I agree with them. Capitals are slow, horribly vulnerable, have a very specific range of applications, and some very severe limitations. If you were to ask most PvPers what "the good stuff" is, a lot of them would say something like "battlecruisers, HACs, bombers, 'dictors". These are all ships that you can have competitive skills in within 6 months. By "competitve" I mean that you will not be at a significant skill disadvantage to anyone you meet in your favoured ship.
6 months may seem like a long time to you (or maybe it wont, I dunno) but the fact is, EVE is enormous. And it's also vastly complex. There is, to be blunt, a fucking shitload of stuff for you to learn. Unless you're a genuinely exceptional player, it will take you 6 months to have a rough idea of what you're doing in the game.
Now from what you've said it sounds like you have pretty much the right approach and the right attitude to really do well in EVE. Just remember that there are unexpected implications to nearly everything you will do. For instance, I'll throw in this little freebie: you know those 21-day trial invites that people are kindly offering you. Heh, yeah, if you subscribe from one of those invites they get 30 days free added to their account. At the going rate, that's worth about 325 million ISK (A basic fitted PvP frigate will cost 1-3 mill). The usual deal is to split the difference (ie: the guy sending you the invite will give you 160 mill when you sub).
Welcome to EVE.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
I will also take the opportunity to repost this:
(1) If you played other MMOs a lot before EVE, try and forget everything you learned in them as much as possible, particularly any expectations you have about other players being limited in how they can interact with you, and even more particularly any ideas about character advancement being the aim of the game rather than just another tool to advance your goals like wealth, assets, game knowledge and friends.
(2) If any warnings pop up, read them.
(3) While you will often be told "trust no-one", that's not quite true. What you should do is treat trusting anyone as if it were gambling. What are the odds? What are the stakes? What can I afford to lose? What's in it for him? Scams and ganks are perfectly legal in EVE, even in hi-sec.
(4) When older players give you advice about fitting ships, for the love of god, at least try following their suggestions.
(5) Don't listen to the morons who will advise you to train nothing but Learning skills to start with. Yes, doing that is more "efficient" when it comes to accumulating SP, but you're paying to play the game. A good rule of thumb is to spend no more than 50% of your training time on Learnings until you have basics at 4, advanced at 3. Then just leave them alone for a month or two.
(6) Don't listen to the people who tell you that you shouldn't leave hi-sec "until you're ready" and then tell you you will need x million SP or y ship class or z amount of ISK. You're "ready" to leave hi-sec when you want to leave hi-sec. I know people who left to live in 0.0 on their second day. I went to 0.0 after about 2 months, and I've frequently wished I went earlier. I would however recommend completing all the tutorials before leaving hi-sec.
(7) Don't listen to the idiot moron griefers who spread the pernicious lie that you need 10/20/40M SP and a Battleship/HAC/Dreadnaught "to be competitive" at PvP. Player skill beats character skill in PVP. The best way for a new player to "compete" at PvP is to get out there and do it. Want to learn to PvP? Join Red vs Blue. They will accept anyone no matter what. They aren't a training corp; they exist purely to provide fun PvP on demand in Hi-sec. You can leave or rejoin at any time. If you get a taste for blood, you can get some great training with Agony Unleashed, who will teach you PVP procedures more formally and thoroughly.
(8) You don't have to grind missions to make ISK. Missioning is the EVE equivalent of being on welfare - a boring, low-level income for people who can't find a real job. There's a huge and complex economy out there, with a lot of opportunities for a thoughtful, alert player with a fast, cheap ship.
(9) Do ALL the tutorials.
(10) Everything I've told you is a cheap dirty lie designed to make you lose your ship to me and quit EVE, because I'm a nasty amoral griefer who doesn't want filthy noobs like you cluttering up my nice, l33t game.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
BestSigEver :P
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Leovarian+Lavitz&dateRange=Jan 1, 2003 to Aug 30, 2010
23 kills in a year
Hopefully it's a non-combat alt you got there.
Eve sounds perfect for you. Good luck.
Wow, in just two posts you already managed to fill the clich
Just give it a try, but as already mentioned - it's hardcore. People there will kill you, steal from you and then rape your corpse (in that order usually). If you ever played old school diku muds then you get a general idea of PK model in EVE (yes, it's PK not PVP).
If you got the spirit and balls, you can hook me up ingame (Valandril) and i will show you the "path of the evil ones" into fast pvp.
Top tips for EvE [more or less in sequence where aplicable].
Do the whole tutorial [its long but essential and you get a lot of nice stuff for free such as implantts ships etc].
Dont be afraid to ask for help on the NPC corp channel or the help channel.
Find and join a player run corp that appeals to you.
If the corp tries to turn you into a 'Borg Drone' leave there are many decent corps out there.
Set yourself a long term goal for example you could chose to specialise in cruisers like me.
DO NOT carry all your belongings in a single ship like a hauler even if your traveling wont take you ot of safe space.
And connected with te above my GOLDEN rule, "Never fly what you cant afford to lose". This includes your cargo.
Oh and make suere your clone is uptodate.
Anyway hope you enjoy your time see you around [my T3 cruiser needs feeding Nom Nom Nom!!!!!].
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Faction warfare takes place in low sec. I spent almost a full year in FW and it is definitely a lot of fun. If you intend on joining one of the more well known FW corps then you'll need to get a few kills under your belt first. There is a lot of paranoia over spies in FW. The systems used by the gallente and caldari militias are some of the most violent systems in Eve (Tama and Old Man Star). So if you're looking for a fight you won't have any trouble finding one.
After you get the hang of PvP and surviving in low sec then you may want to give piracy a try. In my opinion, it is the most fun profession in Eve.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville