I dont get it. These always end up with the common consensus that the western players dont like it, dont want it and stfu about it. Yet these articles keep coming. I'm seriously edging on the side of believing the writers are taking an 'incentive' to talk about it in an positive light to change the communities mind.
Has anyone noticed this or am I just being a tin foil hat wearer?
Uh, i'm pretty sure that is the point of such articles lol, not that there are many, don't see why you think that is a bad thing though.
They wouldn't need to be doing it if there weren't so many people like you who are so bluntly aggainst this payment model, continually bashing it, paying no attention to such games, and automatically saying "fail" as soon as you see F2P, it's an incredibly ignorant and ussually biased stance from most of these people, since they havn't even stepped foot in a f2p for years.
Not all f2p "cashshop" games are cashcow-pay2win's these days, and the sooner people realize that the better if you ask me.
All the writers here are trying to do is enlighten the misinformed and possibly expand your horizons somewhat.
Repeat the same propaganda enough times it then becomes fact.
Yea, who brainwashed thoose who hate F2P into thinking that monthly sub should be the only way to play MMOs?
Its funny to see so many people hate something but cant give a reason why they dont like it!
Heres a few reasons. Money used to create cash shop items instead of content. What content is created is designed to encourage use of the cash shops such as grindy content and potions to alleviate it. LOTRO's new upcoming "xpac" is a good example of the shoddy content additions. Any bets to how grindy the new "xpac" will be? The EQ2 F2P model is extreme to say the least.
Community is always an issue with F2P games. The freeloaders have nothing invested and do not care about the game and act accordiingly, not all, but it doesnt take many to ruin the experience. Let us know how things work out on Landroval for the roleplayers after the freebs invade the Prancing Pony in Bree.
FInally. While some do not start out being P2W sooner or later the temptation to push the cash shop envelope becomes to great and the truth is known. Whether the frogs are too far gone to jump out at this point is a matter of personal awareness.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Repeat the same propaganda enough times it then becomes fact.
Yea, who brainwashed thoose who hate F2P into thinking that monthly sub should be the only way to play MMOs?
Its funny to see so many people hate something but cant give a reason why they dont like it!
Heres a few reasons. Money used to create cash shop items instead of content. What content is created is designed to encourage use of the cash shops such as grindy content and potions to alleviate it. LOTRO's new upcoming "xpac" is a good example of the shoddy content additions. Any bets to how grindy the new "xpac" will be? The EQ2 F2P model is extreme to say the least.
Ridiculous. Do you have any idea how long it takes to make new zones vs new armor sets? Of course it would seem like new CS items are released more often than content, it's because it's made MUSH FASTER. Hit yourself for me, please.
Community is always an issue with F2P games. The freeloaders have nothing invested and do not care about the game and act accordiingly, not all, but it doesnt take many to ruin the experience. Let us know how things work out on Landroval for the roleplayers after the freebs invade the Prancing Pony in Bree.
True, but the people doing this are the same ones complaining about how CS' are run, and not paying a dime. Basically *you* people, that get bored and play F2Ps just to be a jerk and reinforce the idea to others that the community sucks - when you are part of the cause of it.
FInally. While some do not start out being P2W sooner or later the temptation to push the cash shop envelope becomes to great and the truth is known. Whether the frogs are too far gone to jump out at this point is a matter of personal awareness.
P2W is another bandwagon that is beating it's chest lately. Very few games feature things you actually *need*, but it doesn't matter what the circumstances are, you people are going to claim a game is P2W long before doing any research on it.
It all comes down to bias - you hate the idea that a game may come from Asia, and you hate the idea that you get charged for little things you expect to come gratis - well, they would come gratis if you would actually pay to play a frikkin game. None of you are willing to shill out for these, in any shape or form, and yet you all complain about the incentives to buy and love it when a game folds. You all need to hit yourselves, because it's a disgusting habit of wanting to see a trainwreck and not caring about people's jobs and well being.
I hope someday you realise that these people are trying to make a living in a market where they can't compete with a subscription game for whatever reason. You're more than content to play for free, and far more content to complain about playing for free with incentives to pay dangling in front of your face. It's never been an issue for a lot of people, but evidently, none of you can control yourselves - or your mouths.
Hit yourself.
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Repeat the same propaganda enough times it then becomes fact.
Yea, who brainwashed thoose who hate F2P into thinking that monthly sub should be the only way to play MMOs?
Its funny to see so many people hate something but cant give a reason why they dont like it!
Heres a few reasons. Money used to create cash shop items instead of content. What content is created is designed to encourage use of the cash shops such as grindy content and potions to alleviate it. LOTRO's new upcoming "xpac" is a good example of the shoddy content additions. Any bets to how grindy the new "xpac" will be? The EQ2 F2P model is extreme to say the least.
Ridiculous. Do you have any idea how long it takes to make new zones vs new armor sets? Of course it would seem like new CS items are released more often than content, it's because it's made MUSH FASTER. Hit yourself for me, please.
Community is always an issue with F2P games. The freeloaders have nothing invested and do not care about the game and act accordiingly, not all, but it doesnt take many to ruin the experience. Let us know how things work out on Landroval for the roleplayers after the freebs invade the Prancing Pony in Bree.
True, but the people doing this are the same ones complaining about how CS' are run, and not paying a dime. Basically *you* people, that get bored and play F2Ps just to be a jerk and reinforce the idea to others that the community sucks - when you are part of the cause of it.
FInally. While some do not start out being P2W sooner or later the temptation to push the cash shop envelope becomes to great and the truth is known. Whether the frogs are too far gone to jump out at this point is a matter of personal awareness.
P2W is another bandwagon that is beating it's chest lately. Very few games feature things you actually *need*, but it doesn't matter what the circumstances are, you people are going to claim a game is P2W long before doing any research on it.
It all comes down to bias - you hate the idea that a game may come from Asia, and you hate the idea that you get charged for little things you expect to come gratis - well, they would come gratis if you would actually pay to play a frikkin game. None of you are willing to shill out for these, in any shape or form, and yet you all complain about the incentives to buy and love it when a game folds. You all need to hit yourselves, because it's a disgusting habit of wanting to see a trainwreck and not caring about people's jobs and well being.
I hope someday you realise that these people are trying to make a living in a market where they can't compete with a subscription game for whatever reason. You're more than content to play for free, and far more content to complain about playing for free with incentives to pay dangling in front of your face. It's never been an issue for a lot of people, but evidently, none of you can control yourselves - or your mouths.
Hit yourself.
Continue your rant all you like but rest assured I will not be one of those people screwing up your P2W game.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Let's say I notice a F2P title that looks interesting and worth checking out. I go through the process of creating a new account, giving away personal information, downloading the client and game, installing, updating, and then finally begin playing and seeing what this game has to offer.
As I play the game, I notice that the controls are weird, the graphics are quite bad, the environment is bland, nobody talking, and just an all around bad experience.
I am a somewhat picky person and I do expect games to be at the least, decently made, and I don't see a problem with this.
F2P games should not have the excuse to be poorly made just because they are free initially. I don't have a particular hate for F2P but that is just what they all seem to be.
If a game came along that was truly fun and well made, then I might stick around and spend some money. But I am not about to spend money on a half-arsed game that I barely enjoy. I would rather spend 50$ on a game that has had some time put into it by the developers. If I do not like the 50$ game then well that is my loss, but I am going to reward the game company for putting in that effort.
F2P games should not have the excuse to be poorly made just because they are free initially. I don't have a particular hate for F2P but that is just what they all seem to be.
In a lot of cases it's not a choice, but based on the capability of the developers themselves.
Mortal Online much?
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Ehh, I haven't really seen many articles on it. Even if there were, I don't see how it would be hurting anything.
I always thought spending retail on a game would mean I would be getting at least SOME quality... Until I played Warhammer, but hey, to each his own.
Yeah but if you waited Warhammer would be available for free. Free Download. Free to play. With a Pay to Play system that allows the game as intended, but Free to Play is effectively all its good for since its effectively a massive version of Mario Party. (Hundreds of players fighting over space in between mini games. I quite like playing it that way. Its not an MMORPG its an arcade game using those mechanics.
F2P games should not have the excuse to be poorly made just because they are free initially. I don't have a particular hate for F2P but that is just what they all seem to be.
In a lot of cases it's not a choice, but based on the capability of the developers themselves.
Mortal Online much?
True, Mortal Online came as a disappointment for me. However, I did not pay for the game, only played in the late beta (That was enough for me, I have a good idea on what I want after playing so many MMOs).
You get what you pay for. There is a reason they are F2P.
I don't think that phrase should apply to the F2P situation. This mentality needs to change in the MMO world.
Just ignore him, he appears to be steady spilling the same slander everywhere, "pay2win this pay2win that - all f2p lack any quality".
Guess he's quite content to stay in his little isolated monthly sub bubble, would appear he hasn't stepped out of it in quite some time.
But it's with people like him in mind that the writers here create such f2p related articles, but it's too bad the time put into them is wasted, since they are just too set in their ways to accept anything else.
P2W is another bandwagon that is beating it's chest lately. Very few games feature things you actually *need*, but it doesn't matter what the circumstances are, you people are going to claim a game is P2W long before doing any research on it.
It all comes down to bias - you hate the idea that a game may come from Asia, and you hate the idea that you get charged for little things you expect to come gratis - well, they would come gratis if you would actually pay to play a frikkin game. None of you are willing to shill out for these, in any shape or form, and yet you all complain about the incentives to buy and love it when a game folds. You all need to hit yourselves, because it's a disgusting habit of wanting to see a trainwreck and not caring about people's jobs and well being.
I hope someday you realise that these people are trying to make a living in a market where they can't compete with a subscription game for whatever reason. You're more than content to play for free, and far more content to complain about playing for free with incentives to pay dangling in front of your face. It's never been an issue for a lot of people, but evidently, none of you can control yourselves - or your mouths.
Hit yourself.
Over-generalize much?
I'm going to take a stab and say that the majority of the people who dislike the FTP business model do not care one whit where the hell it comes from. Do you seriously think we hate it because it's Asian? Good Lord, come down off your pulpit.
I became a person who disliked FTP when it was:
A. Forced down my throat by Turbine. I was in the beta and saw the items offered up in the LOTRO store. Some are game-changers, and others are items that paying customers worked many hours to aquire. Yes, I have done my research. And yes, I did actually pay my $15 a month, which does give me the right to bitch about a change in the service offered.
B. The FTP business model relies on people not realizing that they just spent $40 on a game that used to be $15. For the exact same things.
I could honestly care less about how much or how little the people making these games are earning. I can assure you that the customers for which I work could care less for my earnings as well. If I change things so that my customers are dissatisfied, and they leave, well then I've made a bad decision and need to live with that. It's a grown-ups world, learn to please your customers or get out of the business.
If hitting myself would help you to live in an adults world, then by all means I'm willing.
No your right, there is a lot of cash being pumped into internet land in order to socially engineer this revenue model in to becoming acceptable to the masses in the West, but to say more is to get a warning.
Trust me, I know.
lol, but yeah this
if you notice F2P/ cash shop is now more acceptable in the mmorpg community than it was say 5 years ago
So it is working
i mean 2 big name games are going free to play soon
It's as simple as this, if you have a choice between two apple pie and they both taste realy good but one cost 5 bucks and the other is free.
which pie do you think is gonna get eaten more?
and what do you think about the people saying it's stupid to eat free pie?
It's a no brainer.
Some brave development teams have taken some bold steps in a new direction and things have seemed to work out well for them. {ArenaNet is a perfect example}
With this new found success it's only a matter of time before other groups and teams start to emmulate similar strategies.
This type of evolution in any company or service is going to create great change. Change scares people and gets them all worried about things that are mostly out of thier control and when humans think that any sort of control is lost, fictional or otherwise , they panic.
I believe most of the articles you [OP] are seeing have been used as means of crowd control and information sharing.
I dont get it. These always end up with the common consensus that the western players dont like it, dont want it and stfu about it. Yet these articles keep coming. I'm seriously edging on the side of believing the writers are taking an 'incentive' to talk about it in an positive light to change the communities mind.
Has anyone noticed this or am I just being a tin foil hat wearer?
I think it is more a case of each writer has his or her own thing/category to write about.
Personally it doesn't bother me one way or another,people can talk the hype or say how it is accepted or changing,bottom line is all that matters to me.I can think for myself,and i have yet to see anything in the F2p market that is worth playing for a very long time.Games like lotro and EQ2 do not count as F2p,they were p2p games that are dying out.
That alone shows that F2p is more a design catered to struggling games or games that know they cannot carry a subscription.
Trust me developers are not into charity mode,if they think they can gather a large P2P subscription base they will do it,they go F2p for a reason.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I dont get it. These always end up with the common consensus that the western players dont like it, dont want it and stfu about it. Yet these articles keep coming. I'm seriously edging on the side of believing the writers are taking an 'incentive' to talk about it in an positive light to change the communities mind.
Has anyone noticed this or am I just being a tin foil hat wearer?
You're wrong about this.
These articles are not trying to explain about how great free to play is. What they are explaining is how this model is going to affect mmorpg's. Free to play is already huge in mmorpgs and it's only going to grow even bigger. Sometimes these articles respond to the common criticism against free to play. There is a vocal group of people who are opposed to free to play and continue to attempt to make it seem like they are something their not. Phrases such as "pay to win" and "buy your way up" are just incorrect and I see nothing wrong with articles debunking such nonsense.
Keep in mind that there are lots of people who read these articles, but don't comment on them. The one that are outspoken against it do not necessarily make up for the majority.
To say that western players don't like free to play in general is just not true, and the huge popularity among free to play games is evidence of that.
It's as simple as this, if you have a choice between two apple pie and they both taste realy good but one cost 5 bucks and the other is free.
which pie do you think is gonna get eaten more?
and what do you think about the people saying it's stupid to eat free pie?
It's a no brainer.
I understand your point, but your analogy is flawed. F2P games do not give you the same pie for free, they more give you the crust and charge for the filling and topping, that would be more accurate. I agree that games like GW and Turbine's games have made positve strides for F2P games, but traditional item shop only F2P games have not. They have done all the harm with fluctuating prices, core mechanic changes, practically no customer service, forced cash shop purchases in order to compete, etc...
I believe we need to distinguish the freemium type games from the cash shop only games, and then I believe more people would accept F2P.
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It's as simple as this, if you have a choice between two apple pie and they both taste realy good but one cost 5 bucks and the other is free.
which pie do you think is gonna get eaten more?
and what do you think about the people saying it's stupid to eat free pie?
It's a no brainer.
I understand your point, but your analogy is flawed. F2P games do not give you the same pie for free, they more give you the crust and charge for the filling and topping, that would be more accurate. I agree that games like GW and Turbine's games have made positve strides for F2P games, but traditional item shop only F2P games have not. They have done all the harm with fluctuating prices, core mechanic changes, practically no customer service, forced cash shop purchases in order to compete, etc...
I believe we need to distinguish the freemium type games from the cash shop only games, and then I believe more people would accept F2P.
This is simply not true.
The vast majority of item shop games give you access to all gameplay content and sell items that enhance the experience, such as cosmetic items or xp boosters.
I can assure you that there is and never has been any kind of paid coverage at MMORPG.com - EVER. Unless my Editor and team is taking back-room bribes I am unaware of - which I really, really doubt is happening. Do we have a lot of F2P advertisers? Of course - let's face it like it or hate it these companies are fairly successful and have the money to keep advertising. We accept ads from any gaming company - but it does seem the F2P companies are now the majority.
However, I just looked over our recent feature list and I don't see anything backing up your claim:
The only what that really matches what you claim is Richard Aihoshi's weekly column, which is *always* about the pros of F2P - because this is what his column is about - this is what is background and beliefs are.
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Well played.
Well then. Why is it that Mr Aihoshi won't switch to decaf?
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
You get what you pay for. There is a reason they are F2P.
I don't think that phrase should apply to the F2P situation. This mentality needs to change in the MMO world.
Just ignore him, he appears to be steady spilling the same slander everywhere, "pay2win this pay2win that - all f2p lack any quality".
Guess he's quite content to stay in his little isolated monthly sub bubble, would appear he hasn't stepped out of it in quite some time.
But it's with people like him in mind that the writers here create such f2p related articles, but it's too bad the time put into them is wasted, since they are just too set in their ways to accept anything else.
You are quite correct. The P2W talking points are wasted on me. Hybrid, F2P or P2W they are all pretty much the same. You have asian grinders and sub bleeding P2P trying to squeeze the last nickel. The P2W crowd seem to be trying to convince themselves at this point.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
What really scares me, is that game companies doesn't leave the option to play how we want. They don't ask, wether we want P2P model or the cash shop model.
They just force the cash shop system, because it gives more money. Millions of people are addicted to MMOs. To just quit mmo gaming is not their option. So they will adapt.
Everyone will be running in their bought worlds soon. MMO walmart worlds.
Buying stuff in game for game currency was fun. Because it was.. yes, virtual money. We were playing. Now it will be your real money. Where's the fun in that? How is it even a game..?
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Ehh, I haven't really seen many articles on it. Even if there were, I don't see how it would be hurting anything.
I always thought spending retail on a game would mean I would be getting at least SOME quality... Until I played Warhammer, but hey, to each his own.
Uh, i'm pretty sure that is the point of such articles lol, not that there are many, don't see why you think that is a bad thing though.
They wouldn't need to be doing it if there weren't so many people like you who are so bluntly aggainst this payment model, continually bashing it, paying no attention to such games, and automatically saying "fail" as soon as you see F2P, it's an incredibly ignorant and ussually biased stance from most of these people, since they havn't even stepped foot in a f2p for years.
Not all f2p "cashshop" games are cashcow-pay2win's these days, and the sooner people realize that the better if you ask me.
All the writers here are trying to do is enlighten the misinformed and possibly expand your horizons somewhat.
Heres a few reasons. Money used to create cash shop items instead of content. What content is created is designed to encourage use of the cash shops such as grindy content and potions to alleviate it. LOTRO's new upcoming "xpac" is a good example of the shoddy content additions. Any bets to how grindy the new "xpac" will be? The EQ2 F2P model is extreme to say the least.
Community is always an issue with F2P games. The freeloaders have nothing invested and do not care about the game and act accordiingly, not all, but it doesnt take many to ruin the experience. Let us know how things work out on Landroval for the roleplayers after the freebs invade the Prancing Pony in Bree.
FInally. While some do not start out being P2W sooner or later the temptation to push the cash shop envelope becomes to great and the truth is known. Whether the frogs are too far gone to jump out at this point is a matter of personal awareness.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
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Continue your rant all you like but rest assured I will not be one of those people screwing up your P2W game.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
One main problem I have with F2P is this..
Let's say I notice a F2P title that looks interesting and worth checking out. I go through the process of creating a new account, giving away personal information, downloading the client and game, installing, updating, and then finally begin playing and seeing what this game has to offer.
As I play the game, I notice that the controls are weird, the graphics are quite bad, the environment is bland, nobody talking, and just an all around bad experience.
I am a somewhat picky person and I do expect games to be at the least, decently made, and I don't see a problem with this.
F2P games should not have the excuse to be poorly made just because they are free initially. I don't have a particular hate for F2P but that is just what they all seem to be.
If a game came along that was truly fun and well made, then I might stick around and spend some money. But I am not about to spend money on a half-arsed game that I barely enjoy. I would rather spend 50$ on a game that has had some time put into it by the developers. If I do not like the 50$ game then well that is my loss, but I am going to reward the game company for putting in that effort.
In a lot of cases it's not a choice, but based on the capability of the developers themselves.
Mortal Online much?
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Yeah but if you waited Warhammer would be available for free. Free Download. Free to play. With a Pay to Play system that allows the game as intended, but Free to Play is effectively all its good for since its effectively a massive version of Mario Party. (Hundreds of players fighting over space in between mini games. I quite like playing it that way. Its not an MMORPG its an arcade game using those mechanics.
You get what you pay for. There is a reason they are F2P.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
I don't think that phrase should apply to the F2P situation. This mentality needs to change in the MMO world.
True, Mortal Online came as a disappointment for me. However, I did not pay for the game, only played in the late beta (That was enough for me, I have a good idea on what I want after playing so many MMOs).
The only P2W games of any quality are former P2P games that are past their prime. They were created with P2P in mind.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Just ignore him, he appears to be steady spilling the same slander everywhere, "pay2win this pay2win that - all f2p lack any quality".
Guess he's quite content to stay in his little isolated monthly sub bubble, would appear he hasn't stepped out of it in quite some time.
But it's with people like him in mind that the writers here create such f2p related articles, but it's too bad the time put into them is wasted, since they are just too set in their ways to accept anything else.
Over-generalize much?
I'm going to take a stab and say that the majority of the people who dislike the FTP business model do not care one whit where the hell it comes from. Do you seriously think we hate it because it's Asian? Good Lord, come down off your pulpit.
I became a person who disliked FTP when it was:
A. Forced down my throat by Turbine. I was in the beta and saw the items offered up in the LOTRO store. Some are game-changers, and others are items that paying customers worked many hours to aquire. Yes, I have done my research. And yes, I did actually pay my $15 a month, which does give me the right to bitch about a change in the service offered.
B. The FTP business model relies on people not realizing that they just spent $40 on a game that used to be $15. For the exact same things.
I could honestly care less about how much or how little the people making these games are earning. I can assure you that the customers for which I work could care less for my earnings as well. If I change things so that my customers are dissatisfied, and they leave, well then I've made a bad decision and need to live with that. It's a grown-ups world, learn to please your customers or get out of the business.
If hitting myself would help you to live in an adults world, then by all means I'm willing.
lol, but yeah this
if you notice F2P/ cash shop is now more acceptable in the mmorpg community than it was say 5 years ago
So it is working
i mean 2 big name games are going free to play soon
EQ2 and LOTRO
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
It's as simple as this, if you have a choice between two apple pie and they both taste realy good but one cost 5 bucks and the other is free.
which pie do you think is gonna get eaten more?
and what do you think about the people saying it's stupid to eat free pie?
It's a no brainer.
Some brave development teams have taken some bold steps in a new direction and things have seemed to work out well for them. {ArenaNet is a perfect example}
With this new found success it's only a matter of time before other groups and teams start to emmulate similar strategies.
This type of evolution in any company or service is going to create great change. Change scares people and gets them all worried about things that are mostly out of thier control and when humans think that any sort of control is lost, fictional or otherwise , they panic.
I believe most of the articles you [OP] are seeing have been used as means of crowd control and information sharing.
I think it is more a case of each writer has his or her own thing/category to write about.
Personally it doesn't bother me one way or another,people can talk the hype or say how it is accepted or changing,bottom line is all that matters to me.I can think for myself,and i have yet to see anything in the F2p market that is worth playing for a very long time.Games like lotro and EQ2 do not count as F2p,they were p2p games that are dying out.
That alone shows that F2p is more a design catered to struggling games or games that know they cannot carry a subscription.
Trust me developers are not into charity mode,if they think they can gather a large P2P subscription base they will do it,they go F2p for a reason.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Is it just me or does this argument remind you of tea party people bitching about free health care? The similarities are insanely similar...
You're wrong about this.
These articles are not trying to explain about how great free to play is. What they are explaining is how this model is going to affect mmorpg's. Free to play is already huge in mmorpgs and it's only going to grow even bigger. Sometimes these articles respond to the common criticism against free to play. There is a vocal group of people who are opposed to free to play and continue to attempt to make it seem like they are something their not. Phrases such as "pay to win" and "buy your way up" are just incorrect and I see nothing wrong with articles debunking such nonsense.
Keep in mind that there are lots of people who read these articles, but don't comment on them. The one that are outspoken against it do not necessarily make up for the majority.
To say that western players don't like free to play in general is just not true, and the huge popularity among free to play games is evidence of that.
I understand your point, but your analogy is flawed. F2P games do not give you the same pie for free, they more give you the crust and charge for the filling and topping, that would be more accurate. I agree that games like GW and Turbine's games have made positve strides for F2P games, but traditional item shop only F2P games have not. They have done all the harm with fluctuating prices, core mechanic changes, practically no customer service, forced cash shop purchases in order to compete, etc...
I believe we need to distinguish the freemium type games from the cash shop only games, and then I believe more people would accept F2P.
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
This is simply not true.
The vast majority of item shop games give you access to all gameplay content and sell items that enhance the experience, such as cosmetic items or xp boosters.
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Well played.
Well then. Why is it that Mr Aihoshi won't switch to decaf?
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You are quite correct. The P2W talking points are wasted on me. Hybrid, F2P or P2W they are all pretty much the same. You have asian grinders and sub bleeding P2P trying to squeeze the last nickel. The P2W crowd seem to be trying to convince themselves at this point.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Maybe it's just because i'm used to GuildWars not micro milking me to death like other F2P.
I had the full game content {guildwars} and all it's mechanics without having to pay for anything other than the game.
It's the apple pie, i'm looking for.
NO! lag
NO! downtime
NO! timesink grind
NO! unbalanced pvp
NO! monthly fee for a game I allready purchased.
If Guild Wars 2 is even close to Guild Wars 1 then hold onto your P2P world, cause it's going byebye.
F2P doesn't bother me.
What really scares me, is that game companies doesn't leave the option to play how we want. They don't ask, wether we want P2P model or the cash shop model.
They just force the cash shop system, because it gives more money. Millions of people are addicted to MMOs. To just quit mmo gaming is not their option. So they will adapt.
Everyone will be running in their bought worlds soon. MMO walmart worlds.
Buying stuff in game for game currency was fun. Because it was.. yes, virtual money. We were playing. Now it will be your real money. Where's the fun in that? How is it even a game..?