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a kill that cost 1295$ for real

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  • ericbelserericbelser Member Posts: 783

    That particular corp/alliance are hi-sec vultures, not suicide gankers. They (and various other patsies/alt corps etc) tend to war dec large null sec alliances and others who aren't "focused" in high sec and then rake in the kills on the clueless idiots who don't pay attention to corp wardec notices (or are otherwise clueless). They are more than moderately competent on average and serve a very useful darwinist function :) Congrats to them on bagging one the biggest idiots out there!

    PS YES CCP deliberately wanted things like this to happen. Like many other changes they have made recently, they want the ISK value of PLEX to continue to rise. The more ISK you can get selling a PLEX, the less attractive any of the ISK sellers are and the harder it is for the farmers to make payroll.

  • n00n3rn00n3r Member Posts: 45

    of course they want ISK prices of PLEX to rise.  What buisness that sells any tangible item wouldn't want the prices to rise?

     

    Of course it should be noted that Plex NEVER has to be taken out of a hanger.  It can be bought, sold, even used remotely from the hanger it is in..   Bottom line is, the only way to put that much of an investment in harms way, is to be dumb and try to move it.

    To try to move it during war???   /facepalm

  • Rockgod99Rockgod99 Member Posts: 4,640

    CCP is laughing thier asses off all the way to the bank right now.

    The people that wanted Plex to be moved around like this just increased EvEs revenue by quite a bit.

    Think of all the mentally retarded people that play Eve. Now think of all of them having to re-purchase Plex after loosing them.

    Cha ching!!!!

    Thankfully I'm not a retard and see no reason to ever, EVER!!!! Take plex out of a god damn station. So i agree with any changes that help CCP revenue and gets morons to spend more isk/cash.

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  • QuirhidQuirhid Member UncommonPosts: 6,230

    Give the players a chance to shoot themselves in the foot and sooner or later they will do it. *sigh* It brings nothing new to the game and makes stupid people suffer more - and buy more PLEXes. Unethical, I say. This is not right.

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  • Aki_RossAki_Ross Member Posts: 166

    Originally posted by cosy

    2010.08.07 20:23



    Victim: aystra

    Corp: BOAE INC

    Alliance: SpaceMonkey's Alliance

    Faction: NONE

    Destroyed: Kestrel

    System: Jita

    Security: 0.9

    Damage Taken: 251



    Involved parties:



    Name: slickdog (laid the final blow)

    Security: 1.9

    Corp: Method of Destruction

    Alliance: The 0rphanage

    Faction: NONE

    Ship: Tempest

    Weapon: 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I

    Damage Done: 251



    Name: Viktor Vegas

    Security: -0.7

    Corp: Method of Destruction

    Alliance: The 0rphanage

    Faction: NONE

    Ship: Hurricane

    Weapon: 720mm Howitzer Artillery II

    Damage Done: 0





    Destroyed items:



    Invulnerability Field I, Qty: 2

    30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX), Qty: 74 (Cargo)

    Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I, Qty: 3



    Dropped items:



    Cynosural Field Generator I

    Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I

    Expanded Cargohold I

    Inertia Stabilizers II

    stupid ppl use a kestrel to moVe PLEX

    http://mofo.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7309710

    also the kill seams to be from the API system so this look like legit

    To be honest, I think it was the carelessness and stupidity of the pilot. Carrying 74 Plex's in a Kestrel “which is one of the lighter ships in the game,” is a very dangerous act, even in Jita. My rule is, in empire space. If the item is worth over 50mil, take the biggest ship you can. Because you can guarantee that some other pilot will take a pop shoot at you. So it's all their fault, and they deserve no sympathy at all.

  • KrelianKrelian Member UncommonPosts: 385

    Oh-my-god !!

    WIth all due respect, i cant beleive that its real.......

    I mean; ''Pilot's License Extension (PLEX), Qty: 74''  Im speechless!

  • MalsozMalsoz Member Posts: 14

    as a eve player  I gotta agree on Luxumaru post.  

    Esp now when we are talking about IRL cash going boom in a mmo. PLEX should stay in station and if need to be moved use some kind of system we have with jumpclones.

    CCP gone way to far on this one...

    MMORPG trend that kills me is this idea that MMOrpgs need to be designed
    in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOrpgs.
    People that like single player game stay there
    Dont ruin my mmorpg....

  • ArmaniDemonArmaniDemon Member Posts: 133

    Lesson learned for him I guess. Don`t travel alone when at war.

  • Luthor_XLuthor_X Member Posts: 431

    Wow... and I worry about flying around in a Hulk from time to time o_0

  • cosycosy Member UncommonPosts: 3,228

     

    the point is not that he buyed or not the plex he dint lose ISK he lose real money PLEX= real money no matter how many times change hands and if you buy it for 1 ISK or 300m ISK

    1PLEX= 30 days of subscription =15€/$

    free money for CCP at the end of the story, the greed of eve players give to CCP free money


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  • FatherAnolevFatherAnolev Member UncommonPosts: 265

    If anybody ever had the right to ragequit, it's this guy... though he kind of deserved it, I still can't imagine the feeling... I felt soul-crushed when I lost $100 million of cargo... 

  • SgtFrogSgtFrog Member Posts: 5,001

    oohh lol, that was silly of him

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  • SheistaSheista Member UncommonPosts: 1,203

    Originally posted by Luxumaru

    ...

     

    This is exactly why I stopped playing EVE. I don't know how I lasted 4 years in a game that promotes griefing and harassment.

    Flame me all you want but encouraging this type of behavior and calling it "Content" to mask the lack there of ... yeah ok. Before you call me a noob who likes to be "held by the hand" no, that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that promoting ganking is wrong. Especially in a game thats so unique in nature, fans of the concept that simply wanted a space sim in an MMO world where few viable ones exist, shouldn't have to endure this type of treatment if they don't want to. All some of us wanted was a space MMO. Instead of EVE we got "GOL: Gank Or Leave".

     

    This isn't griefing.  It is some idiot who actually undocked in a kestrel with 74 PLEX's in his cargo hold.  Again, its NOT griefing for someone to kill him.  The main thing this game emphasizes is playing smart.  THAT, was not smart.

    If that's what you think griefing is, you need to grow a spine, and quit trolling the EVE boards.

    The way you're responding, I'd almost think it was you carrying those 74 PLEX's, and you're just angry that people are laughing about how stupid the guy must have been to have undocked with all of those.

  • Jimmy562Jimmy562 Member UncommonPosts: 1,158

    If the guy did actually buy them and spend that much real money then unlucky. It's very harsh to have something as valuable as subscription time being lost because you died...Just plain stupid from CCP to even have it as an ingame item. Basically like buying a subscription and then the company to turn around and say "Thanks for the money but where gonna give that subscription you just paid for to someone else".

    Talk about a harsh death penalty ey?

  • HokieHokie Member UncommonPosts: 1,063

    Originally posted by JPTX

    If anybody ever had the right to ragequit, it's this guy... though he kind of deserved it, I still can't imagine the feeling... I felt soul-crushed when I lost $100 million of cargo... 

    You know what, if he had $1000+ to blow on PLEX, Im sure he could afford to have that happen 3x-4x times over before it hurts his pocket.

    There is zero real-world money return on buying PLEX cards. Meaning its not an investment. This guy had disposable income laying around to begin with. I bet this didnt even affect him financially.

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  • CecropiaCecropia Member RarePosts: 3,985

    Originally posted by Hokie

    Originally posted by JPTX

    If anybody ever had the right to ragequit, it's this guy... though he kind of deserved it, I still can't imagine the feeling... I felt soul-crushed when I lost $100 million of cargo... 

    You know what, if he had $1000+ to blow on PLEX, Im sure he could afford to have that happen 3x-4x times over before it hurts his pocket.

    There is zero real-world money return on buying PLEX cards. Meaning its not an investment. This guy had disposable income laying around to begin with. I bet this didnt even affect him financially.

    My feelings exactly. His reaction might have been along the lines of "woops, that was dumb of me", and probably nothing more.

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  • WycliffeWycliffe Member Posts: 354

    Originally posted by Cecropia

    Originally posted by Hokie


    Originally posted by JPTX

    If anybody ever had the right to ragequit, it's this guy... though he kind of deserved it, I still can't imagine the feeling... I felt soul-crushed when I lost $100 million of cargo... 

    You know what, if he had $1000+ to blow on PLEX, Im sure he could afford to have that happen 3x-4x times over before it hurts his pocket.

    There is zero real-world money return on buying PLEX cards. Meaning its not an investment. This guy had disposable income laying around to begin with. I bet this didnt even affect him financially.

    My feelings exactly. His reaction might have been along the lines of "woops, that was dumb of me", and probably nothing more.

    I don't think he spent real money, or even his own ingame money. If he was apart of some large nullsec alliances, maybe someone put him incharge of getting PLEX for corp members and the ISK came out of a corp wallet? Course... why they wouldn't use an alt to move cargo like that out of Jita during a wardec...

  • vmopedvmoped Member Posts: 1,708

    Originally posted by Wycliffe

    Originally posted by Cecropia

    Originally posted by Hokie

    Originally posted by JPTX

    If anybody ever had the right to ragequit, it's this guy... though he kind of deserved it, I still can't imagine the feeling... I felt soul-crushed when I lost $100 million of cargo... 

    You know what, if he had $1000+ to blow on PLEX, Im sure he could afford to have that happen 3x-4x times over before it hurts his pocket.

    There is zero real-world money return on buying PLEX cards. Meaning its not an investment. This guy had disposable income laying around to begin with. I bet this didnt even affect him financially.

    My feelings exactly. His reaction might have been along the lines of "woops, that was dumb of me", and probably nothing more.

    I don't think he spent real money, or even his own ingame money. If he was apart of some large nullsec alliances, maybe someone put him incharge of getting PLEX for corp members and the ISK came out of a corp wallet? Course... why they wouldn't use an alt to move cargo like that out of Jita during a wardec...

     I know Wycliffe, everyone here so far is assuming he spent real cash for this. Most players I know in Eve buy their Plex cards with in-game funds that is easy to generate. At most this guy/gal just lost some in-game money/time for their corp.

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  • IchmenIchmen Member UncommonPosts: 1,228

     

    while i dont play eve, so my knowledge of this plex is limited as are ships.. im curious why no one has speculated maybe he was a mole/spy? people have stated it was done in a light ship, in a hostile area during a war. 

    so couldnt it be just as possible for him to be a spy from the enemy guild, and looted the armory??? 

    stuff like this makes me not pay real money for virtual items... far to costly to lose it and far to easy.  even if he didnt buy it with real money its still going to be a costly loss?


  • HokieHokie Member UncommonPosts: 1,063

    Originally posted by Ichmen

     

    while i dont play eve, so my knowledge of this plex is limited as are ships.. im curious why no one has speculated maybe he was a mole/spy? people have stated it was done in a light ship, in a hostile area during a war. 

    so couldnt it be just as possible for him to be a spy from the enemy guild, and looted the armory??? 

    stuff like this makes me not pay real money for virtual items... far to costly to lose it and far to easy.  even if he didnt buy it with real money its still going to be a costly loss?


    Doesnt make sense for it to happen that way Ichmen.

    To buy a PLEX card from another player it still has to be purchased from CCP for $15 with real life money. It would make no sense for a corp to have 74 plex cards just sitting around in the corp hanger.

    It makes even less sense that if they were just sitting around, and it was a corp theft, that the thief would try to move them. What I mean by that is; it would have made more sense for him to steal the cards and them put them up for auction/sale from the same station he stole them from. Theres zero reason to move them. Even if he put them up at 1/2 the going rate he still would have made a fortune.

     

    Personaly I'm not buying the whole "It was for the corp". Like someone else said, it would be stupid to do that under a war-dec and not use an alt. And it either has to be 74 memebers in a corp ALL decided to use PLEX, or 32 ALL decided to use PLEX for 2 months of play, or 16 people all decided to use PLEX to get 3 months of play time.

    I dont have the numbers but just as a wild guess I would think its around 1/3 of EVE subscribers use PLEX cards. So it would have to be a 50+ person corp even to run with the 16 person scenario I gave in paragraph above. And those 16 people would have to trust the buyer with 22billion isk (I think someone figured). I just dont see that being the case.

     

    No, I think this person was the purchaser. And like I said, if he had that much cash to blow, his reaction was probally. "... crap. Ohh well." *shrug*

     

    Still lol worthy, just 'cause he used a Kessie.

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  • LuxumaruLuxumaru Member UncommonPosts: 259

    Originally posted by Sheista

    Originally posted by Luxumaru

    ...

     

    This is exactly why I stopped playing EVE. I don't know how I lasted 4 years in a game that promotes griefing and harassment.

    Flame me all you want but encouraging this type of behavior and calling it "Content" to mask the lack there of ... yeah ok. Before you call me a noob who likes to be "held by the hand" no, that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that promoting ganking is wrong. Especially in a game thats so unique in nature, fans of the concept that simply wanted a space sim in an MMO world where few viable ones exist, shouldn't have to endure this type of treatment if they don't want to. All some of us wanted was a space MMO. Instead of EVE we got "GOL: Gank Or Leave".

     

    This isn't griefing.  It is some idiot who actually undocked in a kestrel with 74 PLEX's in his cargo hold.  Again, its NOT griefing for someone to kill him.  The main thing this game emphasizes is playing smart.  THAT, was not smart.

    If that's what you think griefing is, you need to grow a spine, and quit trolling the EVE boards.

    The way you're responding, I'd almost think it was you carrying those 74 PLEX's, and you're just angry that people are laughing about how stupid the guy must have been to have undocked with all of those.

    First of all, don't you dare call me a troll. I understand this guy was an idiot, and it may be my personal bias, but I fail to see the logic / legality in making items bought with real world money, destructable by other people. I understand that PvP is a focal point of the game, and that is all well and good, but when items that were obtained with hard earned real money are able to be freely destroyed by a total stranger, when the person carrying them was minding his business... I just don't see how that is a smart move. As far as I know [please correct me if I'm wrong] No other MMO allows other people to destroy your "cash shop" items. I do believe there are a few that allow them to be looted, which I also strongly disagree with. Things like this should be considered real world theft, being that the items in question have actual dollar value.

    tl;dr version:

    I suppose my bottom line is, "I spent my hard earned money on this, who the hell are you to come out of nowhere, and steal it from me." It's robbery.

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  • SheistaSheista Member UncommonPosts: 1,203

    PLEXs can be used in -any- station now, which means the need to transport them is driven by  wanting to use them as a market item; ie, sell for more profit than they might be worth in another place in the game.  If they can be used on the market, then they need to have a proper supply and demand that comes with all other items.  It should be risky to attempt to play the market with PLEXs.

    If you're using them for yourself, you should have no reason to undock with them.  And if he was using them for possible corp purposes, then he should have had an escort from his corp, as that is just foolish to undock like he did.

  • LuxumaruLuxumaru Member UncommonPosts: 259

    ^ I completely agree, I just hate they they can be totally destroyed...at least just let the pirates steal them so they can possibly go back on the market lol.

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  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297

    Originally posted by Luxumaru

    Originally posted by Sheista


    Originally posted by Luxumaru

    ...

     

    This is exactly why I stopped playing EVE. I don't know how I lasted 4 years in a game that promotes griefing and harassment.

    Flame me all you want but encouraging this type of behavior and calling it "Content" to mask the lack there of ... yeah ok. Before you call me a noob who likes to be "held by the hand" no, that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that promoting ganking is wrong. Especially in a game thats so unique in nature, fans of the concept that simply wanted a space sim in an MMO world where few viable ones exist, shouldn't have to endure this type of treatment if they don't want to. All some of us wanted was a space MMO. Instead of EVE we got "GOL: Gank Or Leave".

     

    This isn't griefing.  It is some idiot who actually undocked in a kestrel with 74 PLEX's in his cargo hold.  Again, its NOT griefing for someone to kill him.  The main thing this game emphasizes is playing smart.  THAT, was not smart.

    If that's what you think griefing is, you need to grow a spine, and quit trolling the EVE boards.

    The way you're responding, I'd almost think it was you carrying those 74 PLEX's, and you're just angry that people are laughing about how stupid the guy must have been to have undocked with all of those.

    First of all, don't you dare call me a troll. I understand this guy was an idiot, and it may be my personal bias, but I fail to see the logic / legality in making items bought with real world money, destructable by other people. I understand that PvP is a focal point of the game, and that is all well and good, but when items that were obtained with hard earned real money are able to be freely destroyed by a total stranger, when the person carrying them was minding his business... I just don't see how that is a smart move. As far as I know [please correct me if I'm wrong] No other MMO allows other people to destroy your "cash shop" items. I do believe there are a few that allow them to be looted, which I also strongly disagree with. Things like this should be considered real world theft, being that the items in question have actual dollar value.

    tl;dr version:

    I suppose my bottom line is, "I spent my hard earned money on this, who the hell are you to come out of nowhere, and steal it from me." It's robbery.

     

    What if the money wasn't hard earned? If the PLEX were bought by some rich kid with money he inherited from his mom who won the state lottery, is it OK that they be destructible then?

    I ask because using emotive cliches is usually a sign of a weak argument.

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  • OrphesOrphes Member UncommonPosts: 3,039

    Originally posted by cosy

     

    the point is not that he buyed or not the plex he dint lose ISK he lose real money PLEX= real money no matter how many times change hands and if you buy it for 1 ISK or 300m ISK

    1PLEX= 30 days of subscription =15€/$

    free money for CCP at the end of the story, the greed of eve players give to CCP free money

     

    No one lost real money until he/she eventually (may) have to pay for their subscription with cash instead of using one of the destroyed PLEX.  Until then it just a some hours of gametime that is lost per plex.

    Unless ofcourse he bougth, claimed and undocked with the PLEX.

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