Mythic caught in a lie

TooL-D- · March 2005

From the Imperator FAQ:

Quote: " In the world of MMORPGs, nobody to date has proven that a game that both has hundreds of thousands of subscribers as well as one-world, can work."

EVE Online proves that one "server" works for a future space based mmorpg.

Devalon · March 2005

EVE have over 100,000 subscibers?

_myko · March 2005

its got at least 50,000

i wouldnt go as far as to say what mythic says is a lie, eve challenges the conventional approach to MMO's in a way few others even attempt.

kickassman · March 2005

Originally posted by _myko
its got at least 50,000i wouldnt go as far as to say what mythic says is a lie, eve challenges the conventional approach to MMO's in a way few others even attempt.

Its got way more then 50k. At some days there is 10k users online, which would mean that 20% of all the subscribers are playing..... Which is highly unlilkly.

I was thinking more like 300k+

MisfitZ · March 2005

According to www.mmogchart.com eve has about 54k subscribers.

Volkmar · March 2005

Originally posted by kickassman

Originally posted by _myko
its got at least 50,000

i wouldnt go as far as to say what mythic says is a lie, eve challenges the conventional approach to MMO's in a way few others even attempt.

Its got way more then 50k. At some days there is 10k users online, which would mean that 20% of all the subscribers are playing..... Which is highly unlilkly.

I was thinking more like 300k+

20% is more or less usually the average amount of people playing at any given time toward the total population.

Averagely, for other games, a server (when maxed) will have around 2.5k, 3k of players playign at same time and a server population of 10-15k.

By the way, no need to speculate, EVE published official subscribers some time ago. they reached the 60k number after the expansion was released and are still there. (or was almost 60k like 58900) So, no, Mythic has not lied as EVE has not 100K subscribers.

ianubisi · March 2005

Originally posted by TooL-D-
From the Imperator FAQ:Quote: " In the world of MMORPGs, nobody to date has proven that a game that both has hundreds of thousands of subscribers as well as one-world, can work."EVE Online proves that one "server" works for a future space based mmorpg.

Since EVE only has roughly 55K subscribers, does that now make you a liar?

sidebuster · March 2005

Originally posted by ianubisi
Originally posted by TooL-D-
From the Imperator FAQ:Quote: " In the world of MMORPGs, nobody to date has proven that a game that both has hundreds of thousands of subscribers as well as one-world, can work."EVE Online proves that one "server" works for a future space based mmorpg.

Since EVE only has roughly 55K subscribers, does that now make you a liar?

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Dantes77 · March 2005

I thought eve was a cluster of servers?

MisfitZ · March 2005

Obviously, the hardware is clustered. They are referring to the game world.

Scaris · March 2005

Originally posted by Dantes77
I thought eve was a cluster of servers?

Any game uses server clusters, the thing that makes eve special it only uses one server cluster that holds all users instead of smaller capacity clusters with limited population amounts.

Scaris · March 2005

Originally posted by TooL-D-
From the Imperator FAQ:Quote: " In the world of MMORPGs, nobody to date has proven that a game that both has hundreds of thousands of subscribers as well as one-world, can work."EVE Online proves that one "server" works for a future space based mmorpg.

Eve has never hit 100k subscribers, so no Mythic wasn't "lieing".

n2sooners · March 2005

How many players can EvE support in one zone? DAoC has shown that you aren't limited by how many you can have on a server with clustering, but on how many you can have in one zone. Eve has tons of zones, and they aren't even seemless, so you can have as many players in a world as you want as long as you find a way to keep them all in different zones.

Scaris · March 2005

I think I remember hearing recently they can handle something like 50k people logged in at the same time. I may be very wrong on that though, thats not a researched number. As for per zone, no idea on that.

_myko · March 2005

ive been outside a station with 500 other people, eve still ran (but the client lagged to hell). We were waiting for a jovian to jump in, in the end he made it, in 50,000 very small pieces...

TooL-D- · March 2005

Ahh so they twisted facts. The fact is, no other mmorpg will EVER have 100k+ population, so its eazy to say that.

Whats left out there? Blizzard had a fan base thats 10 years old, DAoC released before the mmorpg zerg rush happened, and was an almost flawless release (minus a dupe or two that was found and some small exploits, its was highly clean compaired to others). There are so many mmorpgs now that the mmo community is streatched beyond limits.

So its eazy to make a statement like that. I like the idea of a single server for a single mmo. Your enemy doesnt end up on another server, that you may not even be able to access (aka WoW server cluster@#$@'s). Especally with "realm" style fighting, you may end up with a bunch of morons on yoru server, and have to reroll on another one.. tho that DOES make the publisher/devs more money..

No I dont play WoW, I played lancealot in daoc eons ago, and noone ever did what our guild asked, and we got zerged to hell and never had relics because of the moronic majority. We did, however, slaugher a few hundred albions with our couple of groups of players in our guild, ignoring the idiots trying to run things. That was years ago, and im sure it hasnt improved in the clone mmorpgs that are out today.

Xzaro · March 2005

Originally posted by TooL-D-
Ahh so they twisted facts. The fact is, no other mmorpg will EVER have 100k+ population, so its eazy to say that.

And... how is that a fact? Because you said so?

TooL-D- · March 2005

Originally posted by Xzaro
Originally posted by TooL-D-
Ahh so they twisted facts. The fact is, no other mmorpg will EVER have 100k+ population, so its eazy to say that.

And... how is that a fact? Because you said so?

Prove me wrong.

Maybe its more of a theory that cant be proved wrong.

Xzaro · March 2005

Originally posted by TooL-D-
Originally posted by Xzaro
Originally posted by TooL-D-
Ahh so they twisted facts. The fact is, no other mmorpg will EVER have 100k+ population, so its eazy to say that.

And... how is that a fact? Because you said so?

Prove me wrong.

Maybe its more of a theory that cant be proved wrong.

By you saying that, it would mean that no MMORPG would ever reach 100K+ population on at a time over a period of 10000000000000000000 years.

It will happen, someday, trust me, as long as the Earth doesn't blow up before then or mankind is wiped out.

ianubisi · March 2005

Originally posted by TooL-D-
The fact is, no other mmorpg will EVER have 100k+ population, so its eazy to say that.

There are two ways to answer this ridiculous claim:

1) EverQuest has already had numerous occasions of 100K+ subscribers concurrently connected, as has World of Warcraft. This answer is for the "[never] have 100K+ population [online]" slant.

2) A whole host of games claim more than 100K+ subscribers, including but not limited to UO, Lineage, EQ, DAoC, EQII, WoW, and more. This answer is for the "[never] have 100K+ population" slant.

Any which way you look at it, you're just dead wrong.

Stukov · March 2005

I believe the general idea of this post was a fan of EVE Online wanting to bash Mythic, and he was proven wrong. Now, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against EVE or Mythic...but as stated above, plenty of games have had 100k + population. On 1 server? No, but who knows what might happen in a few years...

Unknown · March 2005

Originally posted by Stukov

I believe the general idea of this post was a fan of EVE Online wanting to bash Mythic, and he was proven wrong. Now, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against EVE or Mythic...but as stated above, plenty of games have had 100k + population. On 1 server? No, but who knows what might happen in a few years...

Mmmmm...fiber optic net connections and bio-computers....mmmmm

Razorback · March 2005

Um the technical stuff is not my strong point.... but wasnt AO one world for quite some time ?

If so Im not sure if it ever got to 100K users (doubt it) but maybe someone else knows ?

Stukov · March 2005

Originally posted by Etaanaru
Originally posted by Stukov
I believe the general idea of this post was a fan of EVE Online wanting to bash Mythic, and he was proven wrong. Now, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against EVE or Mythic...but as stated above, plenty of games have had 100k + population. On 1 server? No, but who knows what might happen in a few years...Mmmmm...fiber optic net connections and bio-computers....mmmmm

I've already got the fiberoptic...just need a bio-computer <_<

Anyways, I believe AO was at one time 1 world. But, I don't think AO had 100k subscribers...maybe 75k? Don't know any exact numbers

Unknown · March 2005

Originally posted by TooL-D-

From the Imperator FAQ:
Quote: " In the world of MMORPGs, nobody to date has proven that a game that both has hundreds of thousands of subscribers as well as one-world, can work."
EVE Online proves that one "server" works for a future space based mmorpg.

*swaggers in...*

It is true no game has ever had 100k players online at the same time in the same game world.

1. MMORPGs that have only 1 game world, are super rare in the first place.

2. The most players that can be online in the same gameworld:

- EvE Online - 50k. Since EvE has roughly 50k total players, and they have only 1 game world, then it stands to reason the EvE game DEVs have made sure it can hold all 50k players online at the same time... IF all of them ever were to login at the same time. Back when I was playing EvE, I remember their main site listing that the most players they ever had online at the same time was 19k players. 15k is a good roughly amount to round it to though.

- AO - 50k. It is true AO once had 1 server/1 game world. The problem is this was during its first year of release... AND... AO had a horrible memory leak bug that made AO 95% unplayalbe for the majority of players. So AO was never able to test how many players could be online at the same time. AO had roughly 25k players online at the same. The AO game DEVs were posting for players to stop logging in, and later finally put in limits to how many could login in at the same time. There were litterally 1k players just in the capital mega city. No matter how high end your computer was, the game would move at 1-3 FPS whenever you tried running through the mega city.

At present time I've seen at most roughly 500 players in the mega city. Also AO finally took care of its memory leak problem. Right now AO is one of the best ever MMORPGs to play. By the time AO took care of its memory leak problem, many players gave up and stopped playing. And AO then opened its 2nd server (back then they were called "Rubika-1 and Rubika-2")

- SWG - During its first 4 months of release, EVERY single server/game world/galaxy was filled to maximum! Each server can hold 12k total players, and store 24k total players. So there goes the "theories" many people still pass around that no game has ever had more than 5k players online at the same time on 1 server/1 game world. Newer, modern MMORPGs use new technology in their databases, which allows them to hold 12k players online at the same time, in the same gameworld. On its 2nd day of release, SWG had roughly 200k players. 6 months after release SWG had over 330k players. IF SWG had been designed to be a 1 world game, ya dang right SWG would have easily had more than 100k players online at the same time, in the same world.

- EQ - It peaked at roughly 440k players. And yes, there were times when EQ had over 100k or more players online at the same time. But alas, EQ's servers/game world can only hold roughly 5k players online at the same time. Now if EQ had modern technology back then? IF EQ had been a 1 world game? EQ would have easily had 100k players online at the same time in the same gameworld.

- Strive For Power - The ONLY MMORPG with perma-death!!! It also has 1 game world/1 server that all players play on. AND get this! No one can ever log off! When you log off, your character still stays in the gameworld, but becomes a NPC! This is how many players sell items while they are offline heeh! SfP has roughly 10k total players. The most I've seen actually online LIVE, based on activity in chat, is roughly 1k players. So SfP continously has 10k players online at the same time, in the same game world.

- Runescape - 8k. They post the exact number of players on each server. It is one of the few MMORPGs in which every time you log on, you can play on any server you want with your same character. You can move around as much as you want, to any server, with your same character. The most players RS has ever had online at the same time, on 1 server/1 game world is 8k total players. Most of the time it is 5k players on at the same time in the same game world. Since players can server hop/game world hop, this makes it harder for RS to have maximum players on all servers. Players on purpose move to lesser populated servers.

Unknown · March 2005

It does not matter if a MMORPG is made up of 1 game world or 20 game worlds. (It is how many game worlds they have, not how they set each one up.... 1 server, 5 server clusters, 20 server clusters,etc....) The number of game worlds is what decided how many other players you have a chance of directly, or indirectly meeting and influencing.

What really matters is... is a MMORPG making enough money to re-coup its investment money? Is it making enough money to later on pull in a true profit?

Imperator or whatever its name its... should not be worrying about the numbers of players online at the same time in other MMORPGs that have 1 game world. They should instead be worrying about trying to get their game past the vaporware stage. Find a way to make their game as different as possible from the over saturated Sword & Sorcery-themed market.

Right now EvE is doing better than Imperator, SfP is doing better, and any other 1 game world MMORPG.

Back to the original post, technically Mythic is not lying. There never has been a 1 world MMORPG that has had 100k players online at the same time. BUT in a way they are not being fully truthful... because many MMORPGs have had far more than 100k players online at the same time (SWG for example, non-stop during its first 4 months of release.) but they were not designed to be 1 world MMORPGs. (SWG had 18+ worlds/galaxies back then.)

Imperator would be lucky to get 100k players period. Heck, 50k players period!

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