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PVTPeterson
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So Gaming wise, is one better than the other?
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PVTPeterson
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So Gaming wise, is one better than the other?
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Desktop - not even a comparison.
A laptop does only one thing - it offers portability. A desktop offers better price/performance, ergonomics, thermal management, and ungradability.
A Modest Proposal for MMORPGs:
That the means of progression would not be mutually exclusive from the means of enjoyment.
You aren't going to find a laptop as good as a desktop, and it's much easier and cheaper to upgrade a desktop. If you aren't going for the best of the best gaming system, you can still go laptop, but it's going to cost you a lot more than a desktop of the same quality. Even if you have quite a bit to spend, unless you're planning on playing in class, at work, or in random other locations (with a power outlet for when your battery inevitably dies) you might be better off purchasing two computers. A basic laptop for school/work/whatever and a desktop for gaming.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
alright thanks
What he said.
Except I'd say the size taken up by a laptop is an advantage as well. A desktop will probably demand at least a desk and a corner of a room.
Unless you plan on playing while you're on the couch, on holiday, in the park or on the train get a desktop.
I have to vote laptop cause thats what I use. The op didnt tell us for what type of gaming. Laptops are better for me cause I can take them and game any where with them, to coffe shops, breaks, or lan parties. Also alot of new technoligy is being added into laptops, alot of the newer 17 inch laptops are cuting the line of being compleatly demolished in performance compared to desktops. I think this will continue to and hopefully will be the case that laptops will be more powerfull. I own desktops, to though, I just wouldnt recommend one cause laptops are to easy to use and fun. Plus when it comes time to sell, you can always get some money back for a laptop, but good luck geting shit for a deaktop ill tell you that right now.
Theres alot of advantages of owning a laptop and I would strongly advise you to at least look into owning one. Iv gamed on my alienware for some years, and it always worked extreamly well for me and now alot of games are being developed around laptops. Check here at notebookreviews. Theres tons of info on what you might want to look into geting when deciding a laptop there.
The best single laptop GPU out there (barring Crossfire/SLI setups), afaik, is the Mobility Radeon HD 5870. That card costs about $1500 to get in a notebook, and it's only as powerful as the desktop Radeon HD 5770, which you can get a desktop equipped with for about $700.
At half the performance for the money, there's little reason why a laptop would be better than a desktop for gaming, unless you absolutely cannot live without the mobility. Desktops are upgradeable as well. A desktop 5770 might not be up to what one wants for performance a year or two down the line, but it's only $150 to get whatever replaces it when new cards come around. Replacing the GPU of a laptop with the same performance costs exactly $1500- the price of a new laptop.
Im not sure how your figuring laptops are so much more expensive then desktops. Everytime you buy a new video card most of the time you will end up having to buy a new mobo any way for what ever reasons, be it directx, new tech, or it not suporting it. Im by no means an expert on home building pcs, but your reasoning seems a bit unfounded. The op wont be able to sell the desktop as easy as a laptop for starters, plus the op didnt say what type of desktop should the op build. Not everyone wants to buld there own either, so that costs extra also.
You keep saying that the mobility cards arnt near powerfull enough compared to desktops. At some point the word "overkill" has to be used here because not everyone is going to need all this power which is the main focus in your laptop hate reply. Most laptops released new with dedicated graphics cards, will play any game out there very well. I was playing aion and doing everything everyone else was and I had a laptop that was made in 2004 by alienware. Your points are very invalid and compleatly untrue. I don't think you can be so bias if youve never gamed on a laptop. Laptops feel better to game on, youve got all your hardware right under your hands working for you, laptop screens are a thing of beauty, that you just cant apreciate with a standard lcd. You can also get the ati 5870 mobility radeon here and put it into a cheap barbones for less the what it would cost for a desktop bought from a manufacturer, or home built. My point is laptops are becoming more popular, and the more people buy into them, the better they will get so dont disregard laptops as a gaming machine.
Actually, you kind of refuted your own point. That Mobility 5870 card you linked is actually less powerful than a desktop 5770, despite costing significantly more. And it requires an MXM 3.0 slot in the laptop, which isn't very common, outside of laptops that already have strong graphics cards. Whereas the PCI-Ex16 2.0 slots that desktop graphics cards use have been around for years now, are pretty much universal in even budget motherboards these days, and outside of the very high-end cards, will easily fit into even a basic computer case with room to spare.
Overkill? Just because it's more than bare minimum doesn't automatically make it overkill. A luxury, perhaps. But a larger display and more detailed graphics are two excellent ways to improve one's gaming experience.
If your laptop works for you, excellent. But that's a subjective thing. Having gamed on a laptop for many years while I was travelling on the road... I still remember the hot sweaty palms, the slow hard disks, the whining cooling fans, the screens built for energy efficiency and compactness, rather than image quality and colour-depth... yeah, I don't miss that at all. Sure technology will improve laptops. But that very same technology will do likewise to desktop stuff. And as always, desktops aren't crippled by the same thermal and form-factor restrictions.
This isn't laptop hating - it's simply basic practicality showing through in the design of each component.
A Modest Proposal for MMORPGs:
That the means of progression would not be mutually exclusive from the means of enjoyment.
I dont think your on top of your laptop information for one thing. Your beating a dead horse about the comparison between the desktop 5770 cards and the mobility 5870. I dont see your point in your hardware discussion. You can upgrade your desktop but not your laptops? Most people buying this kinda of eqipment your talking about have plenty of money to buy something new in a few years and at the rate of technoligy with processors coupled with plenty of other hardware diminishes your desktops are much more cost effective then laptops. I still dont see your reasoning by this, how the hell is the op going to sell a desktop if the op wants something different. I think your being way to conclusive. Laptops have resale! No one wants your shity desktop you made...I dont..no one else I talk to does...Now im not intentionaly being bias because I have desktops to, but im defending laptops cause I like them for gaming and I think its a viable way to enjoy media.
Yes OVERKILL...you dont need all that desktop power, destops utalize 3dcad, adobe, all that shit for rendering shit, thats when you need overkill. Main stream isnt going to need a 50000 vantage score.. I look at numbers all day comparing tests, I know what desktops compared to laptops score in games. Laptops lcds are very pritty and defently benefit by having a game running on them, more so then an external monitor.
My laptop has been a peace of shit, its had many problems. Laptops are machinery and very fun to work with. IF you didnt like your laptop maybee you shouldnt have put up with it, and goten rid of it before all your troubles started with it.
A Modest Proposal for MMORPGs:
That the means of progression would not be mutually exclusive from the means of enjoyment.
You said earlier that you didn't understand why people thought desktops were cheaper than laptops, so I tried to explain why that is. I only used the desktop 5770 as an example because its hardware is numerically similar to the laptop card example that you provided, but it costs less.
ITs not really fair comparing these two cards, the 5870 is one of the best cards you can get in a laptop, and its not like your stuck with just 5870, you can get it in sli flavor as well bringing more power to the laptop. You keep saying the laptops are only good for portability, but id like to see you argue your point to the millions of people that enjoy there desktop replacement laptops. I garantee they wouldnt be near as kind as I am to you.
No, the point of my examples is that it's easier and cheaper to upgrade a desktop.
Laptops have resale value, there much easier to get rid of for the simple fact that they all have models, they all have specific hardware, sku numbers all that. Its a perfect example of what gameing requires. Who is some one going to call when there homebuilt pc they bought off of someone dosnt work right, dosnt work atall, or wont run software they want it to, Ill tell you who, no one cause no one will be there for them. All laptops have support, If you want help geting the latest games running a laptop is the way to go, just call tech support, were here 24/7. Call me about a home built desktop and Ill tell you to buy a laptop!
But this applies to desktops and laptops equally. Both depreciate over time, and since their hardware is based on the same technology, they depreciate equally for the same tasks. As I've already said, unless you need portability, desktops offer more performance for your money, whether you're spending a lot of money or just a little.
They do not depreciate equally for the simple fact that the number of laptops exchanges online compared to home built computers is bar none not even close. Theres litterly hundreads of thousands of laptops sold, traded, bought new everyday. It damn near costs the same to ship a desktop as it does to by a new laptop, your cost effectiveness point is a blatent lie and you shouldnt misinform people about the notion its easier to buy/sell/trade a desktop then it is a laptop. by the time performance comes into play its overkill for everthing besides the animation softwares,cad, etc..laptops have been gaining ground on desktop hardware for a long time, this will only continue.
Maybe not intentionally, but yes, you are being biased. Your arguments so far basically amount to "I like laptops", "I can do lots of stuff on laptops", and "my laptop is good enough for me". That's fine, but those are just personal opinions. And as I've already stated, you can get all that from a desktop, for a cheaper price, unless you specifically need portability.
I dont think my arguments are personel opinion, its easy to say that when Im the only one in the thread supporting gaming on laptops. Do you need to take such drastic measures. All im doing is giving the benefits of laptops and theres plenty. The op didnt specificly say that the op needs something that is cheap, your being pessimistic. Your arguments are unfounded, because all the op asked was what is better for gaming...being cheaper has absolulty no impact on how a machine runs a game.
Most definitely a desktop unless you absolutely need to be mobile.
Eycel, thus far the only one who has been hateful and biased is you.
You say you don't have specific experience building desktops; I do, and a number of years worth at that. I also have extensive experience gaming on a laptop, contrary to your baseless assumption that I don't. In fact, I own a brand new "desktop replacement" laptop right now as my secondary machine. At $1000, it came with a rather nice Core I7 720qm and a barely capable Radeon HD 5730 (an upper level laptop GPU), which can run at least most games out right now on higher level settings at the machine's modest panel resolution.
Note the language used there. I can only run most games out now at settings befitting a $1000 machine, just from what's out now (and some games I can't even say that about), and that's at a very modest panel resolution of 1366x768, usually only getting 30-40fps, and we haven't even seen a signficiant number of DX11, tesselation-enabled titles yet.
My desktop is also quite new as it turns out, and also a roughly $1000 machine. It has a pair of Radeon HD 5770s and a Phenom II 965. By your defintions of "overkill", I've easily reached that point with my desktop. Let's examine that statement, shall we? Two Radeon HD 5770s are roughly as powerful as a single 5870 (as is well known). That setup is barely capable of running Metro 2033 at 1080P, with mostly high settings (all high settings give about 20-25fps), and NO anti-aliasing. Only being able to run a game a medium-high settings with no anti-aliasing is overkill? Even if I dropped my resolution to 1680x1050, it wouldn't fundementally change anything.
So, there goes the "overkill" myth. Shall we move on?
"[Desktops aren't that upgradeable because standards change, and laptops have more resale value"]
I'd say that's a fair paraphrase, and I'll tackle those in reverse order for simplicity's sake. Laptops do not depreciate in value more slowly than desktops. I'm not sure where you've gotten this idea, but it's completely untrue. Take the case of a friend's Asus RoG laptops, for instance. She bought it roughly two and half years ago for a hair under $2000. That really wasn't bad at the time for a machine equipped with a decent Core 2 Duo and a Geforce 8600M GT. Now, two and half years later, I'm advising her on selling it; we expect maybe $400-$500 for a used machine with those specs. My Core 2 Duo based gaming desktop that I built around the same time, with its Geforce 8800gts 320mb card, cost about half as much to build, and would be worth nearly as much on the market today (I'd probably sell it for $350-$400, also accounting for it being used).
If you could give a single example of a single model of notebook that has retained its value any better than the average gaming desktop, then I would love to see it.
Also, as was already pointed out to you, standards don't change as fast as you imply (do you actually know anything about hardware standards?). PCIE has been the standard for years. Even a machine built in 2005 can run any card on the market today, if not desirably. I have never owned a gaming desktop that didn't see at least one GPU replacement before being completely replaced and sold/donated, and I replace desktop hardware far more than is necessary. Had I kept my Core2Duo E8400 based system, which is still more than powerful enough CPU-wise for gaming usage, it would have been on its third set of video cards (Geforce 8800gts, Radeon HD 4870, Radeon HD 5770 Crossire), each twice as powerful as the last.
Now, I know you can do a bit of basic math there. That's a geometric progression of GPU power, and that's just to keep up with games (because, again, it's hardly overkill if there are still games I can't run on high). That system would literally be quadruple what it is now. As it is, it's been given to a friend who needed a replacement badly, but that's neither here nor there. What's important is that you've failed to appreciate that GPU power grows faster than CPU power, as does its need, making GPU upgrades a must for gaming. CPU power has only been growing roughly linearly these past few years, whereas GPU power has been growing almost exponentially, again largely due to more demand for it.
I'm not even going to bother giving much of a response to the notion of laptop GPU upgrades. By the time you get into that territory, you're out even more money just to get a supported model, and the video cards are both hard to find, and extremely expensive. The hardware standards are also proprietary, unlike desktop PCIE, so there's not even a reasonable guarantee that new cards will be available! This is especially true given the long-standing lack of market interest (and the fact that many such standards have come and gone). Even as someone who does both desktop and laptop gaming, I wouldn't consider that option.
There goes the Resell/Upgrade myth.
The bottom line is that desktops are 2-4 times as powerful for the money (you get towards only twice as good at higher price points), and are easily upgradeable in the GPU department. Given that GPU power both grows and is required in much greater amounts for a given period of time, the GPU is always the first thing that will drag down a machine in gaming as it ages. The easy upgradability of desktops allows you to cope with this (as CPUs stay adequate for a good while); laptops do not allow you to, at least not easily. Given that fact, and the fact that ever powerful laptop GPU setups are barely adequate for playing the latest games at high settings (despite setting one back huge amounts of money to obtain), I again reiterate that there is simply nothing to recommend gaming laptops over desktops for gaming unless portability is the highest priority, and it's an assertion that, unlike your assertions, eycel, can be backed with examples, hard numbers, and if need be, sources (really, just ask).
I dont see where your geting off saying im hatefull. Im the only one defending buying a laptop as a alternative way of gaming in this thread yet im hatefull. I dont have the entire thread beating some one person down cause of a difference of opinion.
Dont blame me for geting a underpowered gpu, you should have goton something more powerful then. Im done with comparing the desktop and laptops gpus. I already said its been beatin to death and I dont wana discuss that argument any more. Yes overkill, because not everyone is going to need all that power to run one game metro 2033 at max settings.
At least your friend can sell it, no one is going to want the desktop. Besides not everyone wants to keep there machine for years, some want to get rid of it untill the next thing comes out witch most of the time is months away. Geting rid of a laptop is going to be alot easier in these circumstances witch is more often then not the case. All of sony laptops retain there value for years, macbooks retain there vaules, clevos, sagers, alienwares man the list goes on...these notebooks dont depreciate in value, look on ebay everyday and check the prices for these notebooks value. Theres notebooks made in the 90s for christ sakes that are still worth money and people pay for them. Desktops take the junkyard and are melted down for scraps cause no one wants that shit!
lets be honest, id i didnt know anything about (do you actually know anything about hardware standards) would you even be arguing with me. The only reason why you have to replace your desktop hardware is cause no one wants to trade/sell there desktops for new stuff, its to damn impractical. honestly your arguments about not having enough power are rather dull and winey. I dont ever hear people wine about oh god I need more power. Your making to big of deal about it geometric progression for gpus, blah...There has to be something wrong when you cant find a laptop that will run software the way you want it to in 2010 when I can take my alienware built in 2004 and run most any game I want to aside from a handfull of games that use dx10. Your argument is full of dilusion and very bias.
I will conclude by saying, tag teaming me with a bunch of wineing replys to my opinion that gaming on laptops is very capable not just by one person but by handfuls is nothing but ridiculing me. Theres pleny of people that dont have money to buy brand new equipment, and are very happy with the purchases they make. Yet you cant seem to find the right hardware to run your software adequetly. I didnt start off my reply to this thread saying dont get a desktop, there bad bad bad. Yet all im geting from you are the negatives of laptops. If you were more sensible about things, this isnt the case though. You do relize people do buy laptops to game wether you want to belive it not, but its up to the op to decide. People dont ask for which to buy to game with for no reason. If desktops were the standard for gaming, then shit no one would buy a laptop for that reason, but this isnt the case. People do buy laptops for gaming and thats why people make these threads about it. Technology dosnt just happen over night. There will be laptops in the future that will be way more powerfull then a desktop cause adults like the damn things and spend way more money on them then the common desktop, its a fact. Theres just way more buisness in the laptop department then in the desktop. The more people buy now, the better off they are.
Eycel, I have to say that there are two very impressive thigns about you.
The first is your incredible penchant for missing the point. The second is your failure to realize that if multiple knowledgeable people are disagreeing with you, it's probably because you're saying something that's wrong.
I don't think the second needs explanation, so shall we examine the first?
"Dont blame me for geting a underpowered gpu, you should have goton something more powerful then."
This is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I spent $1000 on that machine, and got one of the more powerful notebook GPUs on the market, and if I spent $1000 more, the GPU I would get in lieu of the Mobility Radeon HD 5730 wouldn't be fundementally much different. A mobility Radeon HD 5850 or 5870 isn't going to fail any less at running a particularly intense game.
"Yes overkill, because not everyone is going to need all that power to run one game metro 2033 at max settings."
Why would someone not want to get the most powerful machine available for the money? Did it not occur to you that GPU power is the very reason we purchase gaming machines? I've already suggested that if mobility is a must-have that gaming laptops are an option (the difference between my broad-sighted outlook, and your narrow and inflexible outlook in which laptops must always be better).
For those of us who purchase a gaming machine for gaming, and don't need travel to be at the center of our lives, however, what you're literally saying is that someone should go out and spend thousands of dollars on a gaming computer, but purchase the one that doesn't game as well. I retract my previous statement, because honestly, THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why on Earth would I bother to purchase a machine for the primary purpose of gaming, and then not get the machine that best achieves that purpose, in lieu of a machine that only treats it as a secondary purpose? Stated another way, if I'm going to pay $1000 or $1500 or $2000 for a machine, what possible, logically sound inclination and I going to have to purchase the machine that works one quarter as well for the money (one half if you're optimistic)? Please, do tell me.
This really isn't that hard. If you want a travel computer, buy a laptop. If you want a gaming computer, buy a desktop, because they do that better, much better, in fact. If you want or need something that does both, by all means, buy a hybrid that does both only half as well, but why on Earth would someone sacrifice the primary purpose of a machine just because they could? Your entire line of argument is completely inane.
Oh, and while we're at it, why don't you go and find some evidence that laptops retain their value better than desktops? If laptops retain value so well, that people actually purchase computers from the 90s and pay real money for them without being ripped off, then why don't you show me? I bet people get real far selling those; a P2 with 64mb of Ram and Windows 98 must fetch all of what, $30, $40(/sarcasm)? While we're at it, here's proof that you yet again have no clue what you're talking about with resale value where desktops are concerned. Here's a Geforce 8800GTS 640MB with 17 bids on Ebay. That's a lot for nobody wanting used parts, isn't it? To think, that's for the fastest-aging type of part. Here's an 8800GT with 3 bids. Here's a Core 2 Duo E8400 with 5 bids. So much for that rather flawed hypothesis.
"Besides not everyone wants to keep there machine for years, some want to get rid of it untill the next thing comes out witch most of the time is months away."
Exactly why would someone want to replace a machine capable of running all of the latest titles, especially when a simple upgrade would do? I'd like to see you give me one good reason.
"The only reason why you have to replace your desktop hardware is cause no one wants to trade/sell there desktops for new stuff, its to damn impractical."
No, we replace our desktop hardware because then we don't have to deal with loosing money to the depreciated value of used parts that you laptop users factually have to deal with (and yes, you have to deal with it too, as ignorant of the market as you seem to be). If I build or purchase a $1500 desktop, and two years down the road I think it's inadquate, then it's a $500 GPU replacement I have to deal with to keep it up to date. If you do the same with a laptop, say, with the same RoG machine my friend is selling, you have to sell it for $400, rely on actually being able to find someone to buy it, and then after loosing that $1100 when you guy to buy another $1500 laptop, you have to lose $50 more to shipping! So let's compare. When my machine gets a little on the dated side, I spend $500, and get to keep my personal data and preferences because I didn't buy a new computer, and I didn't have to deal with turnaround time. When yours gets dated, you have to eat about $1150, completely set up a new copy of Windows to your liking, and then deal with a couple weeks of not having a machine (unless you want to buy before selling, at which point you temporarily eat the full $1500, and then run the risk that either no one wants your machine, or you don't get what you had planned when you sell it).
"lets be honest, id i didnt know anything about (do you actually know anything about hardware standards) would you even be arguing with me."
Why would I not correct an an inane poster (I'll be kind and save the word 'idiot') who has demonstrated no aptitude with computers, whatsoever, and is offering bad advice for people to purchase gaming machines that don't do gaming particularly well?
The OP asked which type of machine is better at gaming; he didn't ask what was more portable. The gaming capability of a machine is determined by it's computing power, paricularly where graphical power is concerned. Desktops have more power than laptops, and are better futureproofed, ergo, desktops are better gaming machines qua gaming machines than laptops, ergo you're wrong.
You gave a flawed answer to the OP, and I corrected you. Get over it.
If im missing the point, then your compleatly incoherant of any of my arguments of why a laptop is decent for gaming. You failed to reconize why people even ask which one to get, cause obviously there is some disagrement. I wouldnt be hear telling you why I think laptops are better for gaming if there never was any reasoning behind it.
You could have very well got a more powerfull computer. You didnt give us your specs, processors make a big part of the laptop too and the mobility line of processors have been taking leaps and bounds latly. You coulda have goton a new i7 quad core processors, you could have goton sli/crossfire, but you didnt you got a video card that is in no way main stream, and there for no one pays as much attension to the numbers it generates, no software is specificly writen around it, and its not even a high end card. You know there is a nvidea card out the 480 mobility that scores 16000 in 3dmark06. The fastest score ever recorded for 3dmark06 was around 45000 or so. Theres not as much difference between performance then you might think. Its because people are starting to by these machines for this specific reason. Gaming, and it will only continue untill some day there will be people asking which should I buy and youl be the only one defending why they should get a desktop insead of laptop.
Laptops retain there value, they do. If you buy a main stream laptop years after they have been released there still 2/3 the cost of what they were new and people buy this stuff. I look for laptops everyday that are 5 years old, 6 years old and they cost 60% of what they were when they came out. And sony, and macintosh, those two brands hold there value untill they are incinerated. You cant find any of those two brands that depreciate...This is why if he wants to just game, its much simpler to get just a laptop, you can get rid of it after a few months if need be and get the latest and greatest thats out...
To reiterate Posted by Catamount "The OP asked which type of machine is better at gaming; he didn't ask what was more portable. The gaming capability of a machine is determined by it's computing power, paricularly where graphical power is concerned. Desktops have more power than laptops, and are better futureproofed, ergo, desktops are better gaming machines qua gaming machines than laptops, ergo you're wrong." your main point/argument is not even acknowledging my point of veiw, which is in the question to begin with. The op didnt ask what type of desktop to buy for gaming, and thats the end of it. In his question also there is laptop. If it was common knowledge that desktops were the only main gaming machine out there, then threads like this would never be made and the question would never arise in the first place. Theres plenty of threads about recomendations on home built pcs and what to get. Please use those threads to give your opionions on, this thread has laptop in the damnded title, so weather you think im an idiot or have no knowledge on laptops I will give my opionion as I See fit.
Eycel, would you care to drop the persecution complex? Nobody is saying you can't game on a laptop. NOBODY. Heck, I clearly stated above that I enjoyed my time while gaming on a laptop, didn't I? And as for acknowledging your statements, we have. Notice how we quote your posts in their entirety, breaking them up so we can acknowledge each part individually? Sadly, that's more than you can claim thus far.
Yes, the OP asked "Which is better?"
Since then, several of us (yourself included) have offered viewpoints, outlining the advantages of each. And I suspect there are lots of other people out there enjoying themselves while playing games on laptops. You, however, seem to be the only one here trying to claim that it's the cheaper, more powerful, cost-effective option.
In the absence of concrete examples, you've offered unsubstantiated resale mathematics that doesn't hold up under scrutiny, you've bandied about the term "overkill', which seems to be based on your opinion that nobody needs more powerful hardware than you currently own, and have finally resorted to accusations of hatred and bias on the part of those who haven't agreed with you.
So anytime you're ready, feel free to offer some concrete evidence to back up your claims. Show me a gaming laptop that's cheaper than an equivalent desktop. Show me an laptop upgrade that cheaper than an equivalent desktop upgrade. And in lieu of your last post, show me a 4-5 year old gaming-capable laptop selling for 60% of its original value, nevermind one that I couldn't spend that money on a better/cheaper unit for new. And before you try to throw around your questionable resale mathematics further, your impressions of the relative resale markets for desktop and laptops are clearly skewed - believe me, both are quite healthy these days.
A Modest Proposal for MMORPGs:
That the means of progression would not be mutually exclusive from the means of enjoyment.
Posted by Mehve" You, however, seem to be the only one here trying to claim that it's the cheaper, more powerful, cost-effective option."
why wouldnt I defend my arguments when no one has considered them or attmpted to even recognize them. You can copy and paste all you want, but that dosnt mean that your giving any thought to my points.
Posted by Mehve: "you've bandied about the term "overkill', which seems to be based on your opinion that nobody needs more powerful hardware than you currently own, and have finally resorted to accusations of hatred and bias on the part of those who haven't agreed with you."
Please, why take cheap shots at me. I assure you your identity means absouluty nothing to me, as far as hatred goes, but what does mean something to me is that the fact for you to relize the laptops will be and are continuing to as we speak progress into great gameing machines. You havent reconized my argument that the op is asking about laptops also. When you say things to kids, they dont just say something no one has taught them, they take after others. When the op asks about laptops for gaming, the op isnt just geting this idea from the mythical god of nonexistance, its coming from another reliable source of information spread that says yes games are good on laptops.
Eycel seems to be attempting to force a false dichotomy here where either we somehow arrive at the conclusion that laptops are better for gaming, or we don't consider them. It's a false dichotomy made even worse by the fact that I just purchased a gaming laptop.
Eycel says, "The op didnt ask what type of desktop to buy for gaming, and thats the end of it. In his question also there is laptop."
This is a quite a strawman. The question by the OP isn't one of whehther there are options in the type of computer used for gaming, as it's been ubiquitously accepted that one can do gaming on either a laptop for a desktop, despite the strawman by you that attempts to suggest the contrary.
That said, the OP asked which was better. Laptops, qua computers, could be argued to be better machines and while I might not agree, the opinion would be valid, but qua gaming computers, laptops offer vastly inferior capability to what desktops offer. That's not an opinion; that's a fact, one based on the narrowly tailored task that gaming computers are designed to achieve, and one that's been backed by concrete, specific examples and hard numbers, something that not one of your assertions have had put behind them.
The OP also didn't ask for your personal opinion of what constitutes "overkill" in gaming capability, merely what type of computer serves the purpose of gaming, so stop with the inane red herring.
I don't care what you personally like more as a computer. I might even go as far as to say that I often like my own laptop more, because I like to use it in front of the TV in our living room and spend time with the family, but the OP didn't ask what machine allows you to spend more time downstairs, on a TV tray, with the family, nor did he ask what I like more for general usage. The OP asked which was better for gaming, not if one or the other is exclusively useable, but what's better, as in between the two usable options. You gave the wrong answer to that question, you were corrected, so stop strawmanning and get over it.
Either find some actual evidence, with specific examples and citations, to suggest that laptops can perform the function of gaming better than desktops, or drop it.
Posted by Catamount: " This is a quite a strawman. The question by the OP isn't one of whehther there are options in the type of computer used for gaming, as it's been ubiquitously accepted that one can do gaming on either a laptop for a desktop, despite the strawman by you that attempts to suggest the contrary."
Its nice to be able to have something to be able to argue since this statement makes no sence what so ever. I have my own desktop, I have in no way said that you cant game on a desktop.
Posted by Catamount : "That said, the OP asked which was better. Laptops, qua computers, could be argued to be better machines and while I might not agree, the opinion would be valid, but qua gaming computers, laptops offer vastly inferior capability to what desktops offer. That's not an opinion; that's a fact, one based on the narrowly tailored task that gaming computers are designed to achieve, and one that's been backed by concrete, specific examples and hard numbers, something that not one of your assertions have had put behind them."
I know what both have, I know what each tests out to in benchmarks. Your argument about whats more powerfull is univentfull and starting to get drab. Again the op didnt specify whats more powerfull any way, you might have a resonable argument if that was the case. Please let this topic go.
Posted by CatamountI don't care what you personally like more as a computer. I might even go as far as to say that I often like my own laptop more, because I like to use it in front of the TV in our living room and spend time with the family, but the OP didn't ask what machine allows you to spend more time downstairs, on a TV tray, with the family, nor did he ask what I like more for general usage. The OP asked which was better for gaming, not if one or the other is exclusively useable, but what's better, as in between the two usable options. You gave the wrong answer to that question, you were corrected, so stop strawmanning and get over it.either find some actual evidence, with specific examples and citations, to suggest that laptops can perform the function of gaming better than desktops, or drop it.
Im very well in the known about op not asking whats better to game on the go with. Youve stated and others plenty of times that you only think laptops are for portability. You dont need to rehash this to me. I also know the op didnt ask if there both usable. This still dosnt make up for the fact that hes asking the question if laptops are as good for gaming as desktops and your argument is not desolving my point that is its being brought up in the first place so recognize it.
ps:This thread isnt about links, websites, addresses. I post plenty of that in all my threads, if you want to see some of the links Iv posted check my other threads/replys
@Op
Without considering money: Laptop
With money considering: depends
flavours:
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Kind: mobilyt/ low heat , performance, prize // description
laptop: ++ . + , - - - // the expensive one
laptop: ++ . - , - - // the normal laptopt
desktop: +, +, - //aquacooling -> silent but expensive => less budget for performance
desktop: - - , ++, - - // decent dekstop with normal fans => whole budget into performance
Pi*1337/100 = 42
If you have space for it on your deck, a desktop is better. A player with 22 inch monitor and good gaming mouse will allways get the advantage over someone with 17 inch monitor and touchpad. Large monitor and gaming mouse are also more convenient to use (I admit you can attach those to a laptop too). A desktop computer is also considerably cheaper than a good gaming laptop, and often has less heat problems and larger fans wich produce less noise.
If you want mobility, I'd suggest buying a desktop computer and a small netbook rather than trying to buy a gaming laptop to fit all your purposes. Gaming laptops are so large and heavy, that taking them with you in a bag is really inconvenient. A small netbook is much more comfortable and usually has nearly twice the battery life. It doesn't even cost much more to buy a desktop + netbook, since gaming laptop wich has equal power to desktop computer is costs much more.
EDIT: If you need a mobile computer with good performance for working, then a good laptop beats netbook. You can surf net, watch movies, play simple games, and do some text editing with a netbook, but I wouldn't suggest trying to use one as work computer.
Eycel, quit filling the forum with inane drivel and red herrings.
The OP asked which type of machine is better for gaming. A machine's ability to perform the task of gaming is dependent on nothing other than performance, therefore, by claiming that this is irrelvant, you are attempting to tangent the conversation.
Desktops offer superior performance, and therefore are better at gaming. It's really that simple. Either offer evidence to the contrary, or drop it. Don't make moronic statements like "I'm getting tired of the performance argument" when it's the central point of discussion (being the only thing that affects how well a machine runs games, to reiterate yet again).
Do I have to say it again? Desktops are better than laptops at gaming. You can use both, but desktops run games better (by virtue of the very performance that unilaterally dictates how well games run, to reiterate yet again in hopes that I might someday penetrate that thick skull of yours), hence that is the answer to the OP's question. If you want to say something to the contrary, then present evidence (and if you're presented it elsewhere, then link to it; it's not my responsibility to find your own evidence for you).
So, do I have to find some other creative way to re-phrase it, or do you finally get it? The argument isn't just that desktops offer better perfomance, but rather that performance is what dictates how well a computer will run games, hence it is what decides what is a better computer qua gaming computers (as gaming computers are designed to run games, which is determined by performance, which desktops offer more of). Stop with the red herrings, stop with the straman arguments, and simply accept this fact if you can't provide evidence to the contrary. Hopefully you aren't quite so dense, that you somehow fail to get it after I've reiterated what dictates gaming ability (and what excels better in that capacity) nearly half a dozen times.
Iv already proven my point. Since you cant come up with any new arguments then theres no reason for me to keep replying. Your not being reasonable now, I had perfectly straight forward responces to the last few posts of yours. This thread isnt about performance, gaming has nothing to do with performance. Benchmarks, 3d animation/cad where some one has to wait 20 minutes to render something, that kinda stuff depends on performance. My evidence is in my responces to your claims. The op will just have to decide if that is enough. This isnt a thread about what hardware costs x amount, or where can we get the best deals.
Desktop. Always always always.