Coming out of E3 Rift is the one that stood out the most to me. Graphics are obviously a personal choice because I find the Rift graphics fantastic. Everyone does realize the trailers are actual in-game footage, not some sexed up CGI like we see out of Blizzard or Bioware. The level of detail and lighting are amazing. I'm not stating that graphics are everything but these comments were more to address the many negative ones I saw.
Tera is a close second, I like what they are doing with the combat but the political system and sandbox world are very appealing. FFXIV is just meh for me, I have friends that are completely jazzed about it and I'm happy for them but I have no desire to play. From what I've seen I think any of these will be solid games. If I was to pick one that might not deliver it would be Tera.
LIke the poll, fun to see what everyone is getting geared up for!
Im waiting to try FF14, rift and gw2. But so far, the vids released of rift are a bit of let down. Call me shallow, but I dont like the combat animations. Seems too consolish.
edit: Just looked up a youtube vid for tera, and Im getting the same impression there. Why are sword swings almost instantaneous and why do they use trailing streams? It seems so cheap.
It's a trend lately to make "beautiful" games but they are lousy when it comes to content, mechanics and fun. Which are pretty much just cash cows, you get all these thousands of ppl paying for pre orders, depending on what the different pre orders offer some even buy more than one, and then a month later over half of those hyped leave the game.
It's a trend lately to make "beautiful" games but they are lousy when it comes to content, mechanics and fun. Which are pretty much just cash cows, you get all these thousands of ppl paying for pre orders, depending on what the different pre orders offer some even buy more than one, and then a month later over half of those hyped leave the game.
So the better option is to make crappy looking games that are lousy when it comes to content? k.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Looking forward to TERA and rift equally. Really couldn't care less about FFXIV... Simply looks boring, and without the "FF" in the title, I really don't think alot of people would be interested in it...
It is a hard choice as from what i have seen and read they are all different from one another, sure there all fantasy based but they all play differently. Tera has a manual aiming system and drop dead sexy graphics, Rifts i think will be like your typical MMO with just another flavor and some interesting concepts FF14 again has amazing graphics and if it plays like FF11 than it is in a league of it's own. How ppl can say it looks boring amazes me with the very little amount of footage and whatnot available for it is just silly.
I'm personally gonna give them all a shot as they will all have something significantly diff to each other but in the long run FF all the way for me.
Edit: Just watch some E3 Rift vids and i gotta say it does look amazing but for now i will not get too hyped.
Looking forward to TERA and rift equally. Really couldn't care less about FFXIV... Simply looks boring, and without the "FF" in the title, I really don't think alot of people would be interested in it...
On the same note, many people prefer RIFT simply because not much have been shown so far, and the the empty blanks are filled with people's imagination.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
I haven't liked any SE game so far, so FFXIV has no real appeal to me, but I may try it at some point. What can I say, I'm a glutton for punishment, heh. Not at all interested in Tera, not a fan of FPS style controls / gameplay in a MMORPG. Rift could be cool as long as the PvP is casual friendly, if not, then I'll pass on it too. I think Rift has the most potential in the Western market.
TERA would be good but it's made in Korea so yeah, say good bye to depth..
What's funny about that is that one could say the same about Lineage 2, being a Korean-developed MMO, and being very grindy in its gameplay. Yet, I've played few MMOs that had the depth that game has - not because of its gameplay, but because of the dynamics of clan and alliance politics which is 100% player driven, and on several different levels.
Other than to take on specific creatures or dungeons, I can't think of anyone I've known who is fully into L2 who would cite "excellent PvE gameplay" among their reasons.
L2 sets the backdrop for everything else to happen, and then gets out of the way and lets the players do the rest.
Now... assuming TERA is set up at all similarly in that regard - despite what may seem like shallow gameplay on the surface - the player politics could well more than make up for it. That's what has me in particular interested in the game... not to mention I love the look of it.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
TERA would be good but it's made in Korea so yeah, say good bye to depth..
What's funny about that is that one could say the same about Lineage 2, being a Korean-developed MMO, and being very grindy in its gameplay. Yet, I've played few MMOs that had the depth that game has - not because of its gameplay, but because of the dynamics of clan and alliance politics which is 100% player driven, and on several different levels.
Other than to take on specific creatures or dungeons, I can't think of anyone I've known who is fully into L2 who would cite "excellent PvE gameplay" among their reasons.
L2 sets the backdrop for everything else to happen, and then gets out of the way and lets the players do the rest.
Now... assuming TERA is set up at all similarly in that regard - despite what may seem like shallow gameplay on the surface - the player politics could well more than make up for it. That's what has me in particular interested in the game... not to mention I love the look of it.
I agree but one outta 1000+ doesn't give the country very good credentials you know.
TERA would be good but it's made in Korea so yeah, say good bye to depth..
What's funny about that is that one could say the same about Lineage 2, being a Korean-developed MMO, and being very grindy in its gameplay. Yet, I've played few MMOs that had the depth that game has - not because of its gameplay, but because of the dynamics of clan and alliance politics which is 100% player driven, and on several different levels.
Other than to take on specific creatures or dungeons, I can't think of anyone I've known who is fully into L2 who would cite "excellent PvE gameplay" among their reasons.
L2 sets the backdrop for everything else to happen, and then gets out of the way and lets the players do the rest.
Now... assuming TERA is set up at all similarly in that regard - despite what may seem like shallow gameplay on the surface - the player politics could well more than make up for it. That's what has me in particular interested in the game... not to mention I love the look of it.
I agree that L2 doesn't apply here and IMO ragnarok online neither, but like somebody already said, after all the failures I can't be hyped up about pretty graphics when the game comes from Korea anymore.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
TERA would be good but it's made in Korea so yeah, say good bye to depth..
What's funny about that is that one could say the same about Lineage 2, being a Korean-developed MMO, and being very grindy in its gameplay. Yet, I've played few MMOs that had the depth that game has - not because of its gameplay, but because of the dynamics of clan and alliance politics which is 100% player driven, and on several different levels.
Other than to take on specific creatures or dungeons, I can't think of anyone I've known who is fully into L2 who would cite "excellent PvE gameplay" among their reasons.
L2 sets the backdrop for everything else to happen, and then gets out of the way and lets the players do the rest.
Now... assuming TERA is set up at all similarly in that regard - despite what may seem like shallow gameplay on the surface - the player politics could well more than make up for it. That's what has me in particular interested in the game... not to mention I love the look of it.
The problem with a game like L2 where the developer just gets out of the way and lets the players police is the players end up policing away all the good and mature players. L2 was a disaster at release with bots and farmers evrywhere. Good mature players left everyday until that was left was immature children, L2 simply has one of the worst communities imagineable. It may be fine for a 25 year old kiddie. But for adults its a very poor game. Botters, farmers, exploiters and children. Not a good combination.
TERA would be good but it's made in Korea so yeah, say good bye to depth..
What's funny about that is that one could say the same about Lineage 2, being a Korean-developed MMO, and being very grindy in its gameplay. Yet, I've played few MMOs that had the depth that game has - not because of its gameplay, but because of the dynamics of clan and alliance politics which is 100% player driven, and on several different levels.
Other than to take on specific creatures or dungeons, I can't think of anyone I've known who is fully into L2 who would cite "excellent PvE gameplay" among their reasons.
L2 sets the backdrop for everything else to happen, and then gets out of the way and lets the players do the rest.
Now... assuming TERA is set up at all similarly in that regard - despite what may seem like shallow gameplay on the surface - the player politics could well more than make up for it. That's what has me in particular interested in the game... not to mention I love the look of it.
I agree but one outta 1000+ doesn't give the country very good credentials you know.
So you judge an entire country based on the MMORPGs developed by a very, very, very small portion of its populace?
Personally, I think it's pretty narrow-minded to put it in that context... as "not having very good credentials". They enjoy that playstyle over there. We don't enjoy it over here. That doesn't make us any "better" than they are. Just different.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
It's all the same Tank/Healer/Mage level grind. I'm probably done with MMOs, as I don't see anything else on the horizon, and I don't see the needed funding available for anything else. Cash shops, level grinds, item grinds, static worlds, boredom-in-a-can, it's really too bad things went this way.
wow... guess i'm not too shocked that the same people who arn't playing MMO's because they want something new and innovative chose Rift, which is a target based, better graphics twin of every other game instead of Tera which is action based with no targeting.
FFXIV is just a name... the game is shit.
"Sometimes people say stuff they don''t mean, but more often then that they don''t say things they do mean"
TERA would be good but it's made in Korea so yeah, say good bye to depth..
What's funny about that is that one could say the same about Lineage 2, being a Korean-developed MMO, and being very grindy in its gameplay. Yet, I've played few MMOs that had the depth that game has - not because of its gameplay, but because of the dynamics of clan and alliance politics which is 100% player driven, and on several different levels.
Other than to take on specific creatures or dungeons, I can't think of anyone I've known who is fully into L2 who would cite "excellent PvE gameplay" among their reasons.
L2 sets the backdrop for everything else to happen, and then gets out of the way and lets the players do the rest.
Now... assuming TERA is set up at all similarly in that regard - despite what may seem like shallow gameplay on the surface - the player politics could well more than make up for it. That's what has me in particular interested in the game... not to mention I love the look of it.
The problem with a game like L2 where the developer just gets out of the way and lets the players police is the players end up policing away all the good and mature players. L2 was a disaster at release with bots and farmers evrywhere. Good mature players left everyday until that was left was immature children, L2 simply has one of the worst communities imagineable. It may be fine for a 25 year old kiddie. But for adults its a very poor game. Botters, farmers, exploiters and children. Not a good combination.
Ahhh... BS.
I played Lineage 2 throughout its lifespan, from Beta, but mostly from C3 up 'til the most recent Gracia chapter. A good 3 years if you put it all together.
In every clan I was in, the vast majority were mature adults... Teachers, Engineers, Computer Techs, Police Officers, Store Managers, business owners, Accountants... the people I've known throughout my time playing L2 have run the gamut in terms of their professions. Met many parents who played along with their children. Immature players were the minority in that game, by far, and were typically shunned by the rest of the populace.
The fact of the matter is, to many adults, Lineage 2 was a very ideal game *because* the gameplay itself tended to mostly scare off what you describe as 'kiddies'. Many adults could appreciate, keep up with and engage in the player politics that pervade the game, etc whereas many "kiddies" couldn't... or at least didn't.
And since when does 25 qualify as being a "kiddie"? I've known 18 year olds who were more mature than some 40 year-olds I've met. Age does not guarantee maturity, on either side of the spectrum.
Botting? Sure. RMT? Sure. No denying L2 had more than its share of those issues thanks to their non-involvement in seriously dealing with it. But your characterization of the population is completely and totally off. Despite all its issues, L2 maintained what was very much a mostly mature player base.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
TERA would be good but it's made in Korea so yeah, say good bye to depth..
What's funny about that is that one could say the same about Lineage 2, being a Korean-developed MMO, and being very grindy in its gameplay. Yet, I've played few MMOs that had the depth that game has - not because of its gameplay, but because of the dynamics of clan and alliance politics which is 100% player driven, and on several different levels.
Other than to take on specific creatures or dungeons, I can't think of anyone I've known who is fully into L2 who would cite "excellent PvE gameplay" among their reasons.
L2 sets the backdrop for everything else to happen, and then gets out of the way and lets the players do the rest.
Now... assuming TERA is set up at all similarly in that regard - despite what may seem like shallow gameplay on the surface - the player politics could well more than make up for it. That's what has me in particular interested in the game... not to mention I love the look of it.
I agree that L2 doesn't apply here and IMO ragnarok online neither, but like somebody already said, after all the failures I can't be hyped up about pretty graphics when the game comes from Korea anymore.
And all I'm saying is... it's not necessarily all about "pretty graphics". If saying "It has pretty graphics but it's from Korea, so I'll pass", then you could be missing out on what's actually a much deeper play experience than you might expect.
I think it all comes down to how the gameplay is set up. I didn't hold out much hope for Aion in that regard once I learned that factions were pre-determined at character creation and all the PvP was sorta "controlled" in that respect. And to be fair, many korean-based MMOs do deserve their "shallow and grindy" reputation... because they are. But then again, they are mostly Lineage 2 clones... just as there are many WoW clones. In both cases, the clones try to ride the coat-tails of a more popular game... but always end up just feeling like a knock-off. If I want to play something like WoW... I'll play WoW. If I want to play something like Lineage 2... I'll play Lineage 2. Though, I'm hoping TERA becomes another option (at least 'til Lineage 3 :-p)
That TERA has factionless gamepplay and - from what I've seen so far - open PVP gives me hope that it will follow similarly to L2's setup which, again, allows for players to take the reigns and decide the ebb and flow of power on the server, etc...
It's my hope that TERA will capture and/or support that kind of dynamic... I don't know if it will or won't 'til it releases and players have had enough of a chance to see how things develop. The player politics and such didn't develop right away in L2... It took time for people to become more powerful, allies to form and castle control to become possible. So... I'm in a "wait and see" mode with TERA right now... But I am very eagerly following it.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Another thing with Tera is that Brian Knox has stated that En Masse Entertainment has been given full control to Westernize Tera to they way they want it. Unlike Lineage 2 and Aion which the western versions are bound to the eastern versions our version of Tera wil be different. I am thinking alot more quest / story gameplay and alot less grinding because it was stated that they know the West does not like grinding.
Funny that you chose these three, as a couple months ago they really were the only future MMO's I had any interest in.
But with more information now, Rift is definitely my first choice. They've got some great talent on the team and the communitiy manager has been doing an amazing job at involving and building up the community at their forums. Still a lot of information yet to be released, but this is definitely one I intend to play at release.
I am still keeping an eye on Tera. The targeting system sounds like it might make for some fun groups. But not sure how much other content there will be to hold my interest (crafting, etc.). And FFXIV I'm just not much interested in anymore.
Absolutely no interest in TERA. I don't get how so many people think the combat is innovative. It looks like a mix of Phantasy Star Online and Monster Hunter. It's also heavily PvP based, and IMO, that destroys a MMO in the long run. Tell me, exactly how many MMOs released in the last 5 years, with PvP in mind, have gone quietly into the night? When I want innovative PvP, I'll log onto EVE.
Rift has potential. Visually it looks good enough. But it's too typical. And it screams WoW clone right in my face from watching the E3 videos. It's going to bomb unless it does something better or more unique. Random rifts seems interesting at first, but the magic of it will die off soon enough IMO. GW2 random encounter system sounds better also.
XIV is one I'm heavily interested in. Won't say anything much, because I'll be terribly biased, but I believe out of the 3, it will do the best in not just subscriptions, but quality.
Other then XIV, DCUO is the only other MMO that has my interest. Always been an avid DC fan, and getting to play the universe with thousands of other fans, making the hero inside them into an avatar, is just pure excitement.
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Coming out of E3 Rift is the one that stood out the most to me. Graphics are obviously a personal choice because I find the Rift graphics fantastic. Everyone does realize the trailers are actual in-game footage, not some sexed up CGI like we see out of Blizzard or Bioware. The level of detail and lighting are amazing. I'm not stating that graphics are everything but these comments were more to address the many negative ones I saw.
Tera is a close second, I like what they are doing with the combat but the political system and sandbox world are very appealing. FFXIV is just meh for me, I have friends that are completely jazzed about it and I'm happy for them but I have no desire to play. From what I've seen I think any of these will be solid games. If I was to pick one that might not deliver it would be Tera.
LIke the poll, fun to see what everyone is getting geared up for!
FFXIV because it's the sequal to FFXI, the best MMORPG to date. All three seem great though.
Im waiting to try FF14, rift and gw2. But so far, the vids released of rift are a bit of let down. Call me shallow, but I dont like the combat animations. Seems too consolish.
edit: Just looked up a youtube vid for tera, and Im getting the same impression there. Why are sword swings almost instantaneous and why do they use trailing streams? It seems so cheap.
For me is none of them.
It's a trend lately to make "beautiful" games but they are lousy when it comes to content, mechanics and fun. Which are pretty much just cash cows, you get all these thousands of ppl paying for pre orders, depending on what the different pre orders offer some even buy more than one, and then a month later over half of those hyped leave the game.
The only one that realistically has a chance of being successful is FF only because of the IP
So the better option is to make crappy looking games that are lousy when it comes to content? k.
Looking forward to TERA and rift equally. Really couldn't care less about FFXIV... Simply looks boring, and without the "FF" in the title, I really don't think alot of people would be interested in it...
Tera has a manual aiming system and drop dead sexy graphics,
Rifts i think will be like your typical MMO with just another flavor and some interesting concepts
FF14 again has amazing graphics and if it plays like FF11 than it is in a league of it's own.
How ppl can say it looks boring amazes me with the very little amount of footage and whatnot available for it is just silly.
I'm personally gonna give them all a shot as they will all have something significantly diff to each other but in the long run FF all the way for me.
Edit: Just watch some E3 Rift vids and i gotta say it does look amazing but for now i will not get too hyped.
On the same note, many people prefer RIFT simply because not much have been shown so far, and the the empty blanks are filled with people's imagination.
I haven't liked any SE game so far, so FFXIV has no real appeal to me, but I may try it at some point. What can I say, I'm a glutton for punishment, heh. Not at all interested in Tera, not a fan of FPS style controls / gameplay in a MMORPG. Rift could be cool as long as the PvP is casual friendly, if not, then I'll pass on it too. I think Rift has the most potential in the Western market.
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TERA. FFXIV and RIFT don't look like my cup of tea, but it's one thing looking at a game and another actually playing it, so who knows.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
All the same fantasy crap so i won't bother.
I agree but one outta 1000+ doesn't give the country very good credentials you know.
I agree that L2 doesn't apply here and IMO ragnarok online neither, but like somebody already said, after all the failures I can't be hyped up about pretty graphics when the game comes from Korea anymore.
The problem with a game like L2 where the developer just gets out of the way and lets the players police is the players end up policing away all the good and mature players. L2 was a disaster at release with bots and farmers evrywhere. Good mature players left everyday until that was left was immature children, L2 simply has one of the worst communities imagineable. It may be fine for a 25 year old kiddie. But for adults its a very poor game. Botters, farmers, exploiters and children. Not a good combination.
So you judge an entire country based on the MMORPGs developed by a very, very, very small portion of its populace?
Personally, I think it's pretty narrow-minded to put it in that context... as "not having very good credentials". They enjoy that playstyle over there. We don't enjoy it over here. That doesn't make us any "better" than they are. Just different.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
It's all the same Tank/Healer/Mage level grind. I'm probably done with MMOs, as I don't see anything else on the horizon, and I don't see the needed funding available for anything else. Cash shops, level grinds, item grinds, static worlds, boredom-in-a-can, it's really too bad things went this way.
Once upon a time....
Rift .... wins for sure
wow... guess i'm not too shocked that the same people who arn't playing MMO's because they want something new and innovative chose Rift, which is a target based, better graphics twin of every other game instead of Tera which is action based with no targeting.
FFXIV is just a name... the game is shit.
"Sometimes people say stuff they don''t mean, but more often then that they don''t say things they do mean"
Ahhh... BS.
I played Lineage 2 throughout its lifespan, from Beta, but mostly from C3 up 'til the most recent Gracia chapter. A good 3 years if you put it all together.
In every clan I was in, the vast majority were mature adults... Teachers, Engineers, Computer Techs, Police Officers, Store Managers, business owners, Accountants... the people I've known throughout my time playing L2 have run the gamut in terms of their professions. Met many parents who played along with their children. Immature players were the minority in that game, by far, and were typically shunned by the rest of the populace.
The fact of the matter is, to many adults, Lineage 2 was a very ideal game *because* the gameplay itself tended to mostly scare off what you describe as 'kiddies'. Many adults could appreciate, keep up with and engage in the player politics that pervade the game, etc whereas many "kiddies" couldn't... or at least didn't.
And since when does 25 qualify as being a "kiddie"? I've known 18 year olds who were more mature than some 40 year-olds I've met. Age does not guarantee maturity, on either side of the spectrum.
Botting? Sure. RMT? Sure. No denying L2 had more than its share of those issues thanks to their non-involvement in seriously dealing with it. But your characterization of the population is completely and totally off. Despite all its issues, L2 maintained what was very much a mostly mature player base.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
And all I'm saying is... it's not necessarily all about "pretty graphics". If saying "It has pretty graphics but it's from Korea, so I'll pass", then you could be missing out on what's actually a much deeper play experience than you might expect.
I think it all comes down to how the gameplay is set up. I didn't hold out much hope for Aion in that regard once I learned that factions were pre-determined at character creation and all the PvP was sorta "controlled" in that respect. And to be fair, many korean-based MMOs do deserve their "shallow and grindy" reputation... because they are. But then again, they are mostly Lineage 2 clones... just as there are many WoW clones. In both cases, the clones try to ride the coat-tails of a more popular game... but always end up just feeling like a knock-off. If I want to play something like WoW... I'll play WoW. If I want to play something like Lineage 2... I'll play Lineage 2. Though, I'm hoping TERA becomes another option (at least 'til Lineage 3 :-p)
That TERA has factionless gamepplay and - from what I've seen so far - open PVP gives me hope that it will follow similarly to L2's setup which, again, allows for players to take the reigns and decide the ebb and flow of power on the server, etc...
It's my hope that TERA will capture and/or support that kind of dynamic... I don't know if it will or won't 'til it releases and players have had enough of a chance to see how things develop. The player politics and such didn't develop right away in L2... It took time for people to become more powerful, allies to form and castle control to become possible. So... I'm in a "wait and see" mode with TERA right now... But I am very eagerly following it.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Another thing with Tera is that Brian Knox has stated that En Masse Entertainment has been given full control to Westernize Tera to they way they want it. Unlike Lineage 2 and Aion which the western versions are bound to the eastern versions our version of Tera wil be different. I am thinking alot more quest / story gameplay and alot less grinding because it was stated that they know the West does not like grinding.
Funny that you chose these three, as a couple months ago they really were the only future MMO's I had any interest in.
But with more information now, Rift is definitely my first choice. They've got some great talent on the team and the communitiy manager has been doing an amazing job at involving and building up the community at their forums. Still a lot of information yet to be released, but this is definitely one I intend to play at release.
I am still keeping an eye on Tera. The targeting system sounds like it might make for some fun groups. But not sure how much other content there will be to hold my interest (crafting, etc.). And FFXIV I'm just not much interested in anymore.
Absolutely no interest in TERA. I don't get how so many people think the combat is innovative. It looks like a mix of Phantasy Star Online and Monster Hunter. It's also heavily PvP based, and IMO, that destroys a MMO in the long run. Tell me, exactly how many MMOs released in the last 5 years, with PvP in mind, have gone quietly into the night? When I want innovative PvP, I'll log onto EVE.
Rift has potential. Visually it looks good enough. But it's too typical. And it screams WoW clone right in my face from watching the E3 videos. It's going to bomb unless it does something better or more unique. Random rifts seems interesting at first, but the magic of it will die off soon enough IMO. GW2 random encounter system sounds better also.
XIV is one I'm heavily interested in. Won't say anything much, because I'll be terribly biased, but I believe out of the 3, it will do the best in not just subscriptions, but quality.
Other then XIV, DCUO is the only other MMO that has my interest. Always been an avid DC fan, and getting to play the universe with thousands of other fans, making the hero inside them into an avatar, is just pure excitement.