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MMORPG.COM News: Mourning Removed

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  • draxshareddraxshared Member Posts: 29


    Originally posted by Admin
    Our stats show that last "new Mourning screens" feature drew in over 8,000 clicks in the short time it ran (about 10 days) - if you were to purchase 8,000 clicks via Google.com or some other advertising venue it would run you about $1000 (based on average rates).  We don't sell these spots to anyone - I am just using it as a means to point out that we do care about the little games and when they update us with news we inform our community.
    We posted news items to almost every IGN "Peek of the Week" that was featured on the IGN Network (which was about 52 articles).
    The truth is myself and many of the staff were looking forward to this game (and I imagine many still are) and many of the new features it was bringing to the table. 
    Again, or choice was largely based on things that we really can't share with you all - and despite many of the theories - it had absolutely nothing to do with activity in our Mourning boards.  We agree that our Mourning boards were very negatively charged - however a large reason for this is that negative comments were censored a lot on the official boards and people came to our site as "refugees" to vent their feelings.  Our rules are the same for all of our forums - yet for some reason only this one suffered this fate.

    It's great that you've done all this. However, why not just press the "ignore" button in regards to private messages from the Mourning Staff, and keep up the good stuff?
    With removing Mourning you're mainly hurting us MMORPG.com subscribers twice over. Both in that we cannot get coverage of this game from you anymore, and that we cannot trust you as we have.

  • NarrkNarrk Member Posts: 7

    It realy sad to read this Discussion. Every one shouts ther mouths at one and other taking it like ther own personal war Mourning vs MMORP.com . And the most funy thing is that ther is no facts just speculations from bouth sides. i cant truly understand what exactly the admin here whants out of all this? all i can get out of all this is how scary it is that people actuly take alot of this crap seriusly. sure i have my pre-order placed for mourning and that i have only bacuse i whant to belive that can brake the chaine of copycat mmo´s out ther. and if you truly call yourself a MMOer then why wod you support this cind of acts. I mean basing an argument on somthing you heard from a friend that heard if from a guy named Mr.X on the net does that seme wise. and the Mr.X part was conserning the rumors around Mourning but thats all any one besides the dev/publisher´s know and its that it is rumors and nothing more, and to take the rumors and argue them as if they where facts is just wrong in my opinion.

    And now to the topic at hand no i dont think MMORPG.com did right in removing Mourning sens i think they realy shod cover all the MMO´s out ther and thats all I can think this Discussion was about from the begining a simpl yes or no if they did right not some silly war agenst them and the Mourning comunity. so i think we all shod drop all this silly speculations and get down to the topic do you think it was right or wrong simpel awnsers will do and leave your personal fealings towards mourning to your self.

    How can so many people come to so many conclusions from reading the same Text?

  • FidusFidus Member Posts: 28

    I agree with drax on this for sure.

    But on another note, as a reporting source of mmorpg's could you put mourning back on the list as well put some information as why you feel the game is questionable? I mean as a community member and as a site that has in the best been a great asset to the mmorpg community would it not be helpfull for you to warn your subscribers at what you see as dangerous? or harmfull?

  • SorrowSorrow Member Posts: 1,195



    Originally posted by Raenz



     
    The bottom line is that this is their site.  They can do whatever they wish, for whatever reason. 


        LOL was just waiting for someone to say this, and I wholeheartedly agree, just as Mourning's board belongs to mourning and they too can do whatever they wish with thier board.

    BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, you two-faced hypocritical jerks think its fine for you to go over to the mourning forums and cuss, and post scat pictures, and flame the game, the devs, and anyone who tries to support the game. When they try and moderate THIER BOARDS you pricks pop over here and accuse them of being NAZI's, and pulling a SCAM, and MMORPG comes out in support of your lies, slander and disqusting behavior.

    Then when the Devs over at Mourning get upset by MMORPG encouraging and defending these nasty hateful and slanderous posts, MMORPG turns around acting the the victim in all this putting on a big presentation to stir up this whole thread.

    Pot and Kettle Baybee

     

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  • HarelinHarelin Member UncommonPosts: 409

    Hey, Mourning people.

    Ever stop and think that it may behoove you to let this drop, earn back a reputation, and then try talking? This is bad press and obviously going no where. I'd cut my losses if I were you, and stop bumping this thread.

    You can't say I didn't try to help.

  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member Posts: 7,433

    I was the first person to defend Tiamat in his outbursts.  Saying a dev just need to be a dev.  However, now he is not anymore regulating HIS site, he try to enforce HIS desire on others, that are only here as a hobby.

     

    The main problem here is that MMORPG.com staff is to kind, they do not have to justify to such extend every action.  Tiamat is on the other end of the spectrum, a champion PvPer in everything, he never explain himself much, he always attack.  A tiny word or 2 about self proclamed ultimate truth, then attack, attack and attack.  The next thing Tiamat could say is about God's giving him visions! 

     

    The more you justify, the more they will ask you to.

    - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren

  • FidusFidus Member Posts: 28

    We don't feel its us who has lost the reputation :)

  • RaenzRaenz Member UncommonPosts: 81



    Originally posted by draxshared


    It's great that you've done all this. However, why not just press the "ignore" button in regards to private messages from the Mourning Staff, and keep up the good stuff?
    With removing Mourning you're mainly hurting us MMORPG.com subscribers twice over. Both in that we cannot get coverage of this game from you anymore, and that we cannot trust you as we have.



    Why should they?  If they supported and reported on the game before and got nothing but grief from the powers-that-be for that game, I wouldn't expect them to keep wasting their time.  Website space and page views end up costing money in the form of bandwidth.  Why waste it on a company that really doesn't want it?

    -Raenz-

  • HarelinHarelin Member UncommonPosts: 409


    Originally posted by Fidus
    We don't feel its us who has lost the reputation :)

    Then by all means... ;)

    /cough ::::12::

  • RaenzRaenz Member UncommonPosts: 81



    Originally posted by Sorrow

    Then when the Devs over at Mourning get upset by MMORPG encouraging and defending these nasty hateful and slanderous posts, MMORPG turns around acting the the victim in all this putting on a big presentation to stir up this whole thread.
    Pot and Kettle Baybee



    Are you saying that the folks that run MMORPG.com "encouraged" said behaivor?  Or are you saying some folks that frequent the MMORPG.com boards exhibited that behaivor?  One is completely different from the other.

    -Raenz-

  • ShrubberShrubber Member Posts: 219

    lmao- http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2706

    Leave it up to romanians to understand american law......


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  • HarelinHarelin Member UncommonPosts: 409

    I was so going to post that image but couldn't figure out what syntax MMORPG.com uses :)

    Then again, it's right up here on the icon bar... doh.

  • FidusFidus Member Posts: 28

    thank you shrubber for prooving any contributions you make should be completley ignored. saves us a lot of time on your future posts.

  • DerfelCadarnDerfelCadarn Member Posts: 875

    Somethingawfuls report just makes it more clear these guys have issues with Free Speech. I guess in Romanian, it is illegal to post anything the government and/or business dont like. Im not sure you guys understand the breech with trying to request information on people that have done very little wrong. Im sure that mmorpg.com recieve like email to what we see at somethingawful. Be thankful mourning fanboys(or 1 guy with 10 accounts)- mmorpg.com is looking for your feedback and allowing you to post.

    Cute post include:


    We have recently been informed of an article on your website about a future software product of ours titled "Mourning".

    http://www.somethingawful.com/index.htm

    It seems that whoever printed this article does not understand what the terms defamation of character , libel or slander mean.

    We are requesting you remove this article about our product from your website or you will be hearing from our attorneys by the end of next week for printing slander and attempting to lower the reputation of our future products and company.

    Also our copyright work located here:
    http://i.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/psychosis~jerks-mourning.jpg

    is to be removed from your servers immediately.

    Regards,
    David Jasinski
    Limitless Horizons Entertainment LLCBusiness@realmsoftorment.net


    or


    The company hosting your current website has also been notified of the issues. Hosting copyright images without consent from the owner is in violation of copyright laws.

    They will be receiving a call from our attorney next week as well as your organization if our copyright material located at (http://i.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/psychosis~jerks-mourning-large.jpg) is not removed from your servers before the end of next week.

    Please provide us with the contact information of your legal representatives.

    Our legal representative can be reached at:
    Edward T. Lynch
    edlynch@EAML.com

    Anderson, Reynolds & Lynch, LLP
    1 Liberty Square, 2nd Floor
    New Britian, CT 06050
    Phone: 860-893-0500
    Fax: 860-893-0550

    Regards,
    David Jasinski
    Limitless Horizons Entertainment LLC
    Business@realmsoftorment.net

    All contents of this letter are to be considered confidential and not intended for publication without prior approval from Limitless Horizons Entertainment LLC.


  • BiteyBitey Member Posts: 356

    nice pic lol. I was wondering whether all our posts were deleted Admin. My post regarding bugman and my post regarding "Mourning users/admins hate mmorpg.com?" could really show the problems that were going on with the mourning staff.

  • PhallPhall Member Posts: 54


    Originally posted by Admin
    Well, this entire decision is based on the countless private messages we have received from Limitless Horizons Entertainment. I do not feel it is right to discuss the details of these communications - however I can say that we did not like their tone towards our site, or staff and our community.

    A more professional way to communicate with the developers of any MMO would be to use e-mail instead of PMs in forums that are open for all, even if in this case there was little doubt it were LHE-representatives that were messaging you. .)


    Personally I'll have to look at the Mourning-site every couple of months now to keep up with Mourning's status quo.

    Sadly, MMORPG.com, the Mourning-Staff and all the interested players... lost... ::::21::

  • HarelinHarelin Member UncommonPosts: 409


    Originally posted by Bitey
    nice pic lol. I was wondering whether all our posts were deleted Admin. My post regarding bugman and my post regarding "Mourning users/admins hate mmorpg.com?" could really show the problems that were going on with the mourning staff.

    If Admin still had that post of yours, that'd really go a long way. Unfortunately, newcomers are completely oblivious to all discussion we've had since it began... :(

  • RoinRoin Member RarePosts: 3,371


    Originally posted by Raenz
    Originally posted by draxshared It's great that you've done all this. However, why not just press the "ignore" button in regards to private messages from the Mourning Staff, and keep up the good stuff? With removing Mourning you're mainly hurting us MMORPG.com subscribers twice over. Both in that we cannot get coverage of this game from you anymore, and that we cannot trust you as we have.Why should they? If they supported and reported on the game before and got nothing but grief from the powers-that-be for that game, I wouldn't expect them to keep wasting their time. Website space and page views end up costing money in the form of bandwidth. Why waste it on a company that really doesn't want it?

    Exactly.

    In War - Victory.
    In Peace - Vigilance.
    In Death - Sacrifice.

  • draxshareddraxshared Member Posts: 29


    Originally posted by Raenz
    Originally posted by draxshared It's great that you've done all this. However, why not just press the "ignore" button in regards to private messages from the Mourning Staff, and keep up the good stuff? With removing Mourning you're mainly hurting us MMORPG.com subscribers twice over. Both in that we cannot get coverage of this game from you anymore, and that we cannot trust you as we have.Why should they?  If they supported and reported on the game before and got nothing but grief from the powers-that-be for that game, I wouldn't expect them to keep wasting their time.  Website space and page views end up costing money in the form of bandwidth.  Why waste it on a company that really doesn't want it?

    They should because they have subscribers who have an interest in that particular game. Subscribers who don't give a rats ass about forum squabble or personal disagreements between staff members. These subscrabers are among those that generate money for MMORPG.com. These subscribers don't really care what the Mourning staff think of their news center.

    They should because doing otherwise suggest foul play, corruption and bribes. The very possibility is what needs to be avoided for any respected news site.

    They should because doing so suggest a dignity and professionalism wich the Mourning PR staff obviously lacks.

    Remember that a mourning "fan" who gets his mourning news through MMORPG.com would have a hard time seeing why he should suffer from a disagreement between some imature corporate brats. Such a subscriber are the first to be harmed by removing Mourning. The second group to be harmed are most subscribers who are conscious of news source critisism. These subscribers take it amiss that MMORPG.com let staff issues alter the news they recieve. While these two groups may not be very big, I belive they are important to MMORPG.com. That's why they should press the ignore button instead of removing games based on product-staff relationships.

  • NarrkNarrk Member Posts: 7

    Yah leats bring in posts from the more serius web sits out ther.

    oh now thos Mourning fanboi are so ownd::::25::

    How can so many people come to so many conclusions from reading the same Text?

  • ArcariusArcarius Member Posts: 72

    Hahahahahaha.

    I've been banned twice there for speaking my mind, and Harelin hasn't been banned at all yet.. Hahaha, I ownz you, Harelin!

    Eternal Vigilance - NOW RECRUITING

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  • RazorbackRazorback Member Posts: 5,253



    Originally posted by zymurgeist



    Originally posted by Razorback

    The fans of the "one game" (lol) are accusing the fans of all games of a lack of objectivity. Now there is an oximoron if ever there was one.


    Nope just calling a pack of useless fanboi trolls what they are. I have played a variety of MMO's. Some are better than others. I've never resorted to the blatant lies I've seen posted in these forums. What does that say about your objectivity when you attack a game you have never played on criteria that are false?


    Well apart from being eloquent (not) you also seem to be grappling with the meaning of your own words.

    Im assuming from the little sense I can glean from your post that you are accusing me of "telling blatent lies" about Mourning ?

    Please back up your accusation with some facts. I challenge you to find anything I have said that bashes, villifies, lies about, denegrates or in any way suggests that Mourning is not a game or not worthy of the interest of MMORPG readers or anyone else interested in online games.

    I have consistently stated that I beleive Mourning is a real product suffering from an appauling lack of sound management at a community level. In moments of anger with some of the more completely one eyed people who come here to talk nonsense (such as yourself) I have occasionaly refered to it as "the so called game" or even said in my opinion it wont make it or that it should be binned. Considering it is not even released, nor does release appear to be either imminent or likely, refering to it as a "so called game" is actually a statement of fact.

    This however is just my opinion and neither you nor anyone else with a functioning spine should be afraid of that.

    So if you want to run off at the mouth I suggest you do what all the regular posters of MMORPG.com do before we post and that is grab a clue and while your there get some facts.

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  • FidusFidus Member Posts: 28

    Damn razor practice what you preach and put a cork in it already.


    I realise you have a really large illusion of grandure but really its time to accept that you are not ALL fans... its ok... sit down... take a breath you will see you are just one fan.

    Oh btw... i don't think fear and your name would really be used in the same sentance so your concern is unwaranted.

  • FidusFidus Member Posts: 28


    Originally posted by Arcarius
    Hahahahahaha.I've been banned twice there for speaking my mind, and Harelin hasn't been banned at all yet.. Hahaha, I ownz you, Harelin!


    And they have stated quite clearly that if you speak your mind in an offensive or objectionable manner that you would be. Mourning has never claimed to be slack on the forum rules, they are trying very hard to keep there forums clean.

  • RaenzRaenz Member UncommonPosts: 81



    Originally posted by draxshared




    Originally posted by Raenz


    Originally posted by draxshared
    It's great that you've done all this. However, why not just press the "ignore" button in regards to private messages from the Mourning Staff, and keep up the good stuff? With removing Mourning you're mainly hurting us MMORPG.com subscribers twice over. Both in that we cannot get coverage of this game from you anymore, and that we cannot trust you as we have.
    Why should they?  If they supported and reported on the game before and got nothing but grief from the powers-that-be for that game, I wouldn't expect them to keep wasting their time.  Website space and page views end up costing money in the form of bandwidth.  Why waste it on a company that really doesn't want it?


    They should because they have subscribers who have an interest in that particular game. Subscribers who don't give a rats ass about forum squabble or personal disagreements between staff members. These subscrabers are among those that generate money for MMORPG.com. These subscribers don't really care what the Mourning staff think of their news center.

    They should because doing otherwise suggest foul play, corruption and bribes. The very possibility is what needs to be avoided for any respected news site.

    They should because doing so suggest a dignity and professionalism wich the Mourning PR staff obviously lacks.

    Remember that a mourning "fan" who gets his mourning news through MMORPG.com would have a hard time seeing why he should suffer from a disagreement between some imature corporate brats. Such a subscriber are the first to be harmed by removing Mourning. The second group to be harmed are most subscribers who are conscious of news source critisism. These subscribers take it amiss that MMORPG.com let staff issues alter the news they recieve. While these two groups may not be very big, I belive they are important to MMORPG.com. That's why they should press the ignore button instead of removing games based on product-staff relationships.


    It is not their obligation to cover any game, the way I see it.  If you come to this website to get updates on Mourning, then given the recent events, I guess you won't be able to do so.  In my opinion, MMORPG.com has went out of their way to give us, the "subscribers" (although we actually pay no fee for their services) the opportunity to sound off regarding this issue.  They could have just stopped their coverage, and removed the related forums, and called it a day, but instead they were upfront and tried to explain the situation as best they could without airing too much dirty laundry, as well as giving the viewers of this site a chance to be heard on the subject.

    Folks that believe they have tarnished their reputation as a dependable site in regards to MMOGs are probably going a tad bit overboard with all of this angst and gnashing of the teeth.  I would say that most of the comments are knee-jerk reactions to events that transpired between the two aforementioned parties, and have no basis of fact except for the things presented by the involved parties.  Maybe if you knew what those facts were, you might have made the same decision.  Maybe you wouldn't have.  The fact of the matter is MMORPG.com made their decision based on those facts, and for the two years that I have been coming here for MMOG news, I can honestly say I have not witnessed anything that would lead me to believe that their actions were unwarranted in their eyes.

    -Raenz-

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