A contract is a contract is a contract. If Turbine and / or Codemasters are found to be in breach of contract and are charged with embezzlement or other types of fraud to deceive the consumer then they may be in deep, deep trouble indeed.
A contract is a contract is a contract. If Turbine and / or Codemasters are found to be in breach of contract and are charged with embezzlement or other types of fraud to deceive the consumer then they may be in deep, deep trouble indeed.
They did nothing wrong.. you should read the users agreement.. that is actually.. a contract you have with codemasters/turbine.
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A contract is a contract is a contract. If Turbine and / or Codemasters are found to be in breach of contract and are charged with embezzlement or other types of fraud to deceive the consumer then they may be in deep, deep trouble indeed.
They did nothing wrong.. you should read the users agreement.. that is actually.. a contract you have with codemasters/turbine.
If it says something like 'oh by the way we are going free to play one day despite you the consumer giving us pots of money, thanks' that is fair enough. Otherwise... breach of contract and deception which is embezzlement which is fraud.
A contract is a contract is a contract. If Turbine and / or Codemasters are found to be in breach of contract and are charged with embezzlement or other types of fraud to deceive the consumer then they may be in deep, deep trouble indeed.
They did nothing wrong.. you should read the users agreement.. that is actually.. a contract you have with codemasters/turbine.
If it says something like 'oh by the way we are going free to play one day despite you the consumer giving us pots of money, thanks' that is fair enough. Otherwise... breach of contract and deception which is embezzlement which is fraud.
Well.. too bad.. But the user agreement indeed says something like that. They can make changes to the game, change the bussiness model of the game, ban you from the game, pull the plug out of the game, sell the game,.... everything, and there is nothing you can do about it. Because you signed the user agreement when you made your account. It is not in that words indeed, they say it in a more polite way. But that's basically what's in the user agreements of ALL games on this planet. Just no one reads those :-) buying and playing an online game is actually at your own risk.
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A contract is a contract is a contract. If Turbine and / or Codemasters are found to be in breach of contract and are charged with embezzlement or other types of fraud to deceive the consumer then they may be in deep, deep trouble indeed.
They did nothing wrong.. you should read the users agreement.. that is actually.. a contract you have with codemasters/turbine.
If it says something like 'oh by the way we are going free to play one day despite you the consumer giving us pots of money, thanks' that is fair enough. Otherwise... breach of contract and deception which is embezzlement which is fraud.
Well.. too bad.. But the user agreement indeed says something like that. They can make changes to the game, change the bussiness model of the game, ban you from the game, pull the plug out of the game, sell the game,.... everything, and there is nothing you can do about it. Because you signed the user agreement when you made your account. It is not in that words indeed, they say it in a more polite way. But that's basically what's in the user agreements of ALL games on this planet. Just no one reads those :-)
I have read the EULA. It says basically 'pay to play' and nothing about going to free to play eventually. Which technically means they have deceived the consumer even with an iron-tiight license granting contract agreement.
A contract is a contract is a contract. If Turbine and / or Codemasters are found to be in breach of contract and are charged with embezzlement or other types of fraud to deceive the consumer then they may be in deep, deep trouble indeed.
Oh for fuck's sake. Another internet lawyer.
Look -- no one is going to get sued over this, despite all the fevered wet dreams of all the drama queens on these boards that are crying about fraud, class action lawsuits, and criminal charges. Turbine and Codemasters undoubtedly looked into any and all potential legal issues back when they were going to change the price model for DDO. I'm sure they glanced at everything again before doing this in LOTRO. Companies that big don't make moves like these without covering their bases first.
I know it sounds awesome and dramatic to think that some sort of international trade arbiter is going to involve themselves in this because a few people on a message board got their panties in a twist, but it's not going to happen. Turbine haven't done anything wrong here. Really.
A contract is a contract is a contract. If Turbine and / or Codemasters are found to be in breach of contract and are charged with embezzlement or other types of fraud to deceive the consumer then they may be in deep, deep trouble indeed.
Oh for fuck's sake. Another internet lawyer.
Look -- no one is going to get sued over this, despite all the fevered wet dreams of all the drama queens on these boards that are crying about fraud, class action lawsuits, and criminal charges. Turbine and Codemasters undoubtedly looked into any and all potential legal issues back when they were going to change the price model for DDO. I'm sure they glanced at everything again before doing this in LOTRO. Companies that big don't make moves like these without covering their bases first.
I know it sounds awesome and dramatic to think that some sort of international trade arbiter is going to involve themselves in this because a few people on a message board got their panties in a twist, but it's not going to happen. Turbine haven't done anything wrong here. Really.
A contract is a contract is a contract. If Turbine and / or Codemasters are found to be in breach of contract and are charged with embezzlement or other types of fraud to deceive the consumer then they may be in deep, deep trouble indeed.
They did nothing wrong.. you should read the users agreement.. that is actually.. a contract you have with codemasters/turbine.
If it says something like 'oh by the way we are going free to play one day despite you the consumer giving us pots of money, thanks' that is fair enough. Otherwise... breach of contract and deception which is embezzlement which is fraud.
Well.. too bad.. But the user agreement indeed says something like that. They can make changes to the game, change the bussiness model of the game, ban you from the game, pull the plug out of the game, sell the game,.... everything, and there is nothing you can do about it. Because you signed the user agreement when you made your account. It is not in that words indeed, they say it in a more polite way. But that's basically what's in the user agreements of ALL games on this planet. Just no one reads those :-)
I have read the EULA. It says basically 'pay to play' and nothing about going to free to play eventually. Which technically means they have deceived the consumer even with an iron-tiight license granting contract agreement.
No, now you are a liar, you DID NOT read the EULA because there is indeed a paragraph that says the things I just said...
Playing the game is at your own risk. Turbine can make anny change to the game anny time. And there is nothing you can do about it. So stop being the smart guy, because you are not. You are just angry with the whole 'f2p' thing, and you did not read the faq, the interviews or the EULA you are just trolling on this forum all day because you are pissed. If you don't like the switch, then just leave lotro and move on with your life!
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"19. You agree to indemnify and hold Turbine harmless from any claim, demand, or damage, including reasonable attorneys’ fees, asserted by any third party due to or arising out of your use of or conduct in the Game."
Do you guys even try to read any of Lotro's EULA ? or do you just scroll trough it and click "Ok I understand" just so you can go ahead and play the game.
" Upon payment of any applicable license fees and online fees, this EULA grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable, limited term license solely to use the Software to play the Game, subject to the terms and conditions of this EULA, the Code of Conduct (which is provided below and incorporated herein by this reference) and the Terms of Service (including the online subscription and payment terms) which is posted at http://www.turbine.com/news/56 and incorporated herein by this reference. You may not modify, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce (except for one archival and backup copy as permitted by applicable laws), publish, license, create derivative works from, adapt, translate, sublicense, auction, rent, lease or sell the Software or any part of the Game. You may not use the Software, for a fee or on a pay-for-play basis, by means of sharing accounts with multiple users or otherwise. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if you are the proprietor of an Internet café or gaming room, you may operate the Software in a pay-for-play environment, provided that (i) all computers used have their own individual copy of validly licensed Software installed, such Software having been purchased at a retail store or other similar provider, and (ii) each end user player has a valid online services account for access to the Server (or authorized free trial access) through Turbine or our authorized distributors or service providers, which is not shared by other players. In addition, you may not reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble any part of the Game. All rights not expressly granted are reserved by us."
Payment, agreed on by accepting the EULA. Nothing about going to Free to Play. An invitation to embezzlement which invokes consumer protection agencies.
"19. You agree to indemnify and hold Turbine harmless from any claim, demand, or damage, including reasonable attorneys’ fees, asserted by any third party due to or arising out of your use of or conduct in the Game."
Do you guys even try to read any of Lotro's EULA ? or do you just scroll trough it and click "Ok I understand" just so you can go ahead and play the game.
Lol, thats a game change paragraph not a subscritpion change paragraph. Denied.
"Turbine can make anny change to the game anny time" also sub based changes.. whatever, they can move their servers to another country, they can fire the whole dev team and make a new one... Or you can't read or you are just dumb and to ignorant to be able to READ things. Or you are just a troll that likes to troll on forums like this and you see acting like an idiot as a hobby and free entertainment. If that is the case, then I can tell you that people like you are the problem of the f2p genre. Guy's like you are game breaking. So be proud!
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" Upon payment of any applicable license fees and online fees, this EULA grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable, limited term license solely to use the Software to play the Game, subject to the terms and conditions of this EULA, the Code of Conduct (which is provided below and incorporated herein by this reference) and the Terms of Service (including the online subscription and payment terms) which is posted at http://www.turbine.com/news/56 and incorporated herein by this reference. You may not modify, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce (except for one archival and backup copy as permitted by applicable laws), publish, license, create derivative works from, adapt, translate, sublicense, auction, rent, lease or sell the Software or any part of the Game. You may not use the Software, for a fee or on a pay-for-play basis, by means of sharing accounts with multiple users or otherwise. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if you are the proprietor of an Internet café or gaming room, you may operate the Software in a pay-for-play environment, provided that (i) all computers used have their own individual copy of validly licensed Software installed, such Software having been purchased at a retail store or other similar provider, and (ii) each end user player has a valid online services account for access to the Server (or authorized free trial access) through Turbine or our authorized distributors or service providers, which is not shared by other players. In addition, you may not reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble any part of the Game. All rights not expressly granted are reserved by us."
Payment, agreed on by accepting the EULA. Nothing about going to Free to Play. An invitation to embezzlement which invokes consumer protection agencies.
Well go then! go to court! start something against Turbine! ask your money back! I will come to watch the show with popcorn!
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" Upon payment of any applicable license fees and online fees, this EULA grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable, limited term license solely to use the Software to play the Game, subject to the terms and conditions of this EULA, the Code of Conduct (which is provided below and incorporated herein by this reference) and the Terms of Service (including the online subscription and payment terms) which is posted at http://www.turbine.com/news/56 and incorporated herein by this reference. You may not modify, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce (except for one archival and backup copy as permitted by applicable laws), publish, license, create derivative works from, adapt, translate, sublicense, auction, rent, lease or sell the Software or any part of the Game. You may not use the Software, for a fee or on a pay-for-play basis, by means of sharing accounts with multiple users or otherwise. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if you are the proprietor of an Internet café or gaming room, you may operate the Software in a pay-for-play environment, provided that (i) all computers used have their own individual copy of validly licensed Software installed, such Software having been purchased at a retail store or other similar provider, and (ii) each end user player has a valid online services account for access to the Server (or authorized free trial access) through Turbine or our authorized distributors or service providers, which is not shared by other players. In addition, you may not reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble any part of the Game. All rights not expressly granted are reserved by us."
Payment, agreed on by accepting the EULA. Nothing about going to Free to Play. An invitation to embezzlement which invokes consumer protection agencies.
Well go then! go to court! start something against Turbine! ask your money back! I will come to watch the show with popcorn!
Well it's not about me, sweetheart. It's about the consumer protection agencies like the Office of Fair Trading getting involved. Popcorn all around in the courtroom.
"19. You agree to indemnify and hold Turbine harmless from any claim, demand, or damage, including reasonable attorneys’ fees, asserted by any third party due to or arising out of your use of or conduct in the Game."
Do you guys even try to read any of Lotro's EULA ? or do you just scroll trough it and click "Ok I understand" just so you can go ahead and play the game.
Thats about the game not the subscription model or payment issues or fraud.
I'll make it easy for you buddy, since i know you didn't even try to click the link and read it for yourself.
4. Turbine may amend this EULA, including the Terms of Service and the Code of Conduct, at any time in its sole discretion. Such amendments shall be effective upon your first use of the Game after Turbine makes them available for your review. Accordingly, we recommend that you review this EULA and the Terms of Service and Code of Conduct periodically.
Lol, thats a game change paragraph not a subscritpion change paragraph. Denied.
"Turbine can make anny change to the game anny time" also sub based changes.. whatever, they can move their servers to another country, they can fire the whole dev team and make a new one... Or you can't read or you are just dumb and to ignorant to be able to READ things. Or you are just a troll that likes to troll on forums like this and you see acting like an idiot as a hobby and free entertainment. If that is the case, then I can tell you that people like you are the problem of the f2p genre. Guy's like you are game breaking. So be proud!
Afraid not. Big difference between a piece of software like a game and money payments. Real big.
"19. You agree to indemnify and hold Turbine harmless from any claim, demand, or damage, including reasonable attorneys’ fees, asserted by any third party due to or arising out of your use of or conduct in the Game."
Do you guys even try to read any of Lotro's EULA ? or do you just scroll trough it and click "Ok I understand" just so you can go ahead and play the game.
Thats about the game not the subscription model or payment issues or fraud.
I'll make it easy for you buddy, since i know you didn't even try to click the link and read it for yourself.
4. Turbine may amend this EULA, including the Terms of Service and the Code of Conduct, at any time in its sole discretion. Such amendments shall be effective upon your first use of the Game after Turbine makes them available for your review. Accordingly, we recommend that you review this EULA and the Terms of Service and Code of Conduct periodically.
That paragraph makes it even worse for Turbine. If they change it later on fine, but back then as it cannot be unchanged and with no potential warning of a subscription alteration may be seen as deceitful _at_that_time rather than any changes to the EULA in the far future which is in no way a get out clause if fraud is suspected.
Lol, thats a game change paragraph not a subscritpion change paragraph. Denied.
"Turbine can make anny change to the game anny time" also sub based changes.. whatever, they can move their servers to another country, they can fire the whole dev team and make a new one... Or you can't read or you are just dumb and to ignorant to be able to READ things. Or you are just a troll that likes to troll on forums like this and you see acting like an idiot as a hobby and free entertainment. If that is the case, then I can tell you that people like you are the problem of the f2p genre. Guy's like you are game breaking. So be proud!
Afraid not. Big difference between a piece of software like a game and money payments. Real big.
You have no idea what you are talking about. They haven't changed a thing. It is still a P2P game. F2P is limited access as well as limited amount of gold the character can have on them. Paying subs need not worry about that. and as "lifetimer" you need not worry about paying anything at all for the game.
Lol, thats a game change paragraph not a subscritpion change paragraph. Denied.
"Turbine can make anny change to the game anny time" also sub based changes.. whatever, they can move their servers to another country, they can fire the whole dev team and make a new one... Or you can't read or you are just dumb and to ignorant to be able to READ things. Or you are just a troll that likes to troll on forums like this and you see acting like an idiot as a hobby and free entertainment. If that is the case, then I can tell you that people like you are the problem of the f2p genre. Guy's like you are game breaking. So be proud!
Afraid not. Big difference between a piece of software like a game and money payments. Real big.
The EULA is about that piece of software AND about the payment. You just don't want to say that you are sooo wrong 'sweetheart' :-)
annyway, I just found another troll poster. Do you guy's get paid for acting like this and ruining forums like mmorpg.com? I've seen a LOT of trolls the past few years. And how bigger the forum becomes how more trolls I see.. a pitty. people like you shouldn't be allowed in a place like this.
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Lol, thats a game change paragraph not a subscritpion change paragraph. Denied.
"Turbine can make anny change to the game anny time" also sub based changes.. whatever, they can move their servers to another country, they can fire the whole dev team and make a new one... Or you can't read or you are just dumb and to ignorant to be able to READ things. Or you are just a troll that likes to troll on forums like this and you see acting like an idiot as a hobby and free entertainment. If that is the case, then I can tell you that people like you are the problem of the f2p genre. Guy's like you are game breaking. So be proud!
Afraid not. Big difference between a piece of software like a game and money payments. Real big.
You have no idea what you are talking about. They haven't changed a thing. It is still a P2P game. F2P is limited access as well as limited amount of gold the character can have on them. Paying subs need not worry about that. and as "lifetimer" you need not worry about paying anything at all for the game.
This is just getting ridiculous.
It is ridiculous yes. Turbine have rolled a snowball and its turning into an avalanche. That's just here. If it goes to court, then its nuke time.
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A contract is a contract is a contract. If Turbine and / or Codemasters are found to be in breach of contract and are charged with embezzlement or other types of fraud to deceive the consumer then they may be in deep, deep trouble indeed.
They did nothing wrong.. you should read the users agreement.. that is actually.. a contract you have with codemasters/turbine.
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If it says something like 'oh by the way we are going free to play one day despite you the consumer giving us pots of money, thanks' that is fair enough. Otherwise... breach of contract and deception which is embezzlement which is fraud.
Well.. too bad.. But the user agreement indeed says something like that. They can make changes to the game, change the bussiness model of the game, ban you from the game, pull the plug out of the game, sell the game,.... everything, and there is nothing you can do about it. Because you signed the user agreement when you made your account. It is not in that words indeed, they say it in a more polite way. But that's basically what's in the user agreements of ALL games on this planet. Just no one reads those :-) buying and playing an online game is actually at your own risk.
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I have read the EULA. It says basically 'pay to play' and nothing about going to free to play eventually. Which technically means they have deceived the consumer even with an iron-tiight license granting contract agreement.
Oh for fuck's sake. Another internet lawyer.
Look -- no one is going to get sued over this, despite all the fevered wet dreams of all the drama queens on these boards that are crying about fraud, class action lawsuits, and criminal charges. Turbine and Codemasters undoubtedly looked into any and all potential legal issues back when they were going to change the price model for DDO. I'm sure they glanced at everything again before doing this in LOTRO. Companies that big don't make moves like these without covering their bases first.
I know it sounds awesome and dramatic to think that some sort of international trade arbiter is going to involve themselves in this because a few people on a message board got their panties in a twist, but it's not going to happen. Turbine haven't done anything wrong here. Really.
Touched a nerve there. Must be onto something.
No, not really. Just tired of all the internet lawyers and drama queens on these boards.
ME TOO.
No, now you are a liar, you DID NOT read the EULA because there is indeed a paragraph that says the things I just said...
Playing the game is at your own risk. Turbine can make anny change to the game anny time. And there is nothing you can do about it. So stop being the smart guy, because you are not. You are just angry with the whole 'f2p' thing, and you did not read the faq, the interviews or the EULA you are just trolling on this forum all day because you are pissed. If you don't like the switch, then just leave lotro and move on with your life!
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Lol, thats a game change paragraph not a subscription change paragraph. Denied.
"19. You agree to indemnify and hold Turbine harmless from any claim, demand, or damage, including reasonable attorneys’ fees, asserted by any third party due to or arising out of your use of or conduct in the Game."
Do you guys even try to read any of Lotro's EULA ? or do you just scroll trough it and click "Ok I understand" just so you can go ahead and play the game.
have fun heres link :
http://www.lotro.com/support/policies/218-eula
" Upon payment of any applicable license fees and online fees, this EULA grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable, limited term license solely to use the Software to play the Game, subject to the terms and conditions of this EULA, the Code of Conduct (which is provided below and incorporated herein by this reference) and the Terms of Service (including the online subscription and payment terms) which is posted at http://www.turbine.com/news/56 and incorporated herein by this reference. You may not modify, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce (except for one archival and backup copy as permitted by applicable laws), publish, license, create derivative works from, adapt, translate, sublicense, auction, rent, lease or sell the Software or any part of the Game. You may not use the Software, for a fee or on a pay-for-play basis, by means of sharing accounts with multiple users or otherwise. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if you are the proprietor of an Internet café or gaming room, you may operate the Software in a pay-for-play environment, provided that (i) all computers used have their own individual copy of validly licensed Software installed, such Software having been purchased at a retail store or other similar provider, and (ii) each end user player has a valid online services account for access to the Server (or authorized free trial access) through Turbine or our authorized distributors or service providers, which is not shared by other players. In addition, you may not reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble any part of the Game. All rights not expressly granted are reserved by us."
Payment, agreed on by accepting the EULA. Nothing about going to Free to Play. An invitation to embezzlement which invokes consumer protection agencies.
Cause F2P get the exact same advantage as a lifer..... righ..... read before posting non-sense.
Thats about the game not the subscription model or payment issues or fraud.
"Turbine can make anny change to the game anny time" also sub based changes.. whatever, they can move their servers to another country, they can fire the whole dev team and make a new one... Or you can't read or you are just dumb and to ignorant to be able to READ things. Or you are just a troll that likes to troll on forums like this and you see acting like an idiot as a hobby and free entertainment. If that is the case, then I can tell you that people like you are the problem of the f2p genre. Guy's like you are game breaking. So be proud!
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Well go then! go to court! start something against Turbine! ask your money back! I will come to watch the show with popcorn!
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Well it's not about me, sweetheart. It's about the consumer protection agencies like the Office of Fair Trading getting involved. Popcorn all around in the courtroom.
I'll make it easy for you buddy, since i know you didn't even try to click the link and read it for yourself.
4. Turbine may amend this EULA, including the Terms of Service and the Code of Conduct, at any time in its sole discretion. Such amendments shall be effective upon your first use of the Game after Turbine makes them available for your review. Accordingly, we recommend that you review this EULA and the Terms of Service and Code of Conduct periodically.
Afraid not. Big difference between a piece of software like a game and money payments. Real big.
That paragraph makes it even worse for Turbine. If they change it later on fine, but back then as it cannot be unchanged and with no potential warning of a subscription alteration may be seen as deceitful _at_that_time rather than any changes to the EULA in the far future which is in no way a get out clause if fraud is suspected.
You have no idea what you are talking about. They haven't changed a thing. It is still a P2P game. F2P is limited access as well as limited amount of gold the character can have on them. Paying subs need not worry about that. and as "lifetimer" you need not worry about paying anything at all for the game.
This is just getting ridiculous.
PM me your account info
The EULA is about that piece of software AND about the payment. You just don't want to say that you are sooo wrong 'sweetheart' :-)
annyway, I just found another troll poster. Do you guy's get paid for acting like this and ruining forums like mmorpg.com? I've seen a LOT of trolls the past few years. And how bigger the forum becomes how more trolls I see.. a pitty. people like you shouldn't be allowed in a place like this.
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It is ridiculous yes. Turbine have rolled a snowball and its turning into an avalanche. That's just here. If it goes to court, then its nuke time.