I was just wandering about gold farmers...Can they hack(or are they usually hack) high-level(or whatever it's going to be) players for their characters? I've seen it in few MMORPGs but I didn't play FFXI so i don't know about situation with SE >_<
I was just wandering about gold farmers...Can they hack(or are they usually hack) high players for their characters? I've seen it in few MMORPGs but I didn't play FFXI so i don't know about situation with SE >_<
SE has been very good about recovering hacked accounts/banning gold farmers.
They have taken a strong stance against it and their whole CS department is currently probably one of the best in MMOs.
I know of several people that have been hacked and had their accounts fully recovered in about 2 weeks.
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I was just wandering about gold farmers...Can they hack(or are they usually hack) high-level(or whatever it's going to be) players for their characters? I've seen it in few MMORPGs but I didn't play FFXI so i don't know about situation with SE >_<
In order for someone who is not you to log into your account, they have to have both your login name and your password. This doesn't happen because someone gets access the game database and reads your info from it (at least I'm not aware of this ever happening). The overwhelming majority of "hacked accounts" happen in one of the following ways:
You use the same login and password somewhere else: If someone gets the list of login/pass pairs from a forum's database or other private site and tries them all on a game, they're going to gain access to all the accounts where people used the same login and pass. MMO companies have no way of preventing this.
A keylogger program on your computer records your login and password: In order for this to happen, you'd have to have a keylogger installed and running. This usually means that you downloaded a cheat or at least briefly visited a page that you shouldn't have been looking at. Aside from implementing expensive and annoying two-factor authentication, MMO companies have no way of preventing this.
Your login is known or easy to guess, and you have a weak password: Brute forcing a game with a list of common passwords is probably not done that often, but could happen. The much more likely scenario is that someone else (not a brute force cracker) guesses your password because you made it obvious, like your account name is Frodo and your password is Baggins. MMO companies can defend against the first method a little bit, but not the second.
Someone resets your password: Usually this requires them to have your credit card number and address and such. Not hard to do if you were buying gold off their website. Can also happen if you are not the account's real owner, like if you bought it off someone. Aside from implementing harsher measures of confirming your identity (which would have a negative effect on some people who legitimately contact CS), MMO companies have no way of preventing this.
You get tricked into giving someone your login and password: Phishing emails or in-game messages designed to get you to a fake website and login with your real information. Aside from annoying their customers with alerts reminding them not to fall for this, MMO companies have no way of preventing this.
You deliberately give someone your login and password: This is the #1 cause of "hacked" accounts for sure. Either you give it to a friend or family member, girlfriend, guildmate, powerlevelling service, a guy on eBay buying your account, whatever. After that person accesses your account against your wishes and does whatever they want with it, you call customer service and lie that you have no idea what happened. You're not required to prove that you kept your login credentials secret. As you might expect, MMO companies have no way of preventing this either.
So hopefully you can see what I'm getting at: there is very little that an MMO company can do to make sure that nobody gets into your account. Getting hacked has almost nothing to do with the game and everything to do with the person playing it.
You deliberately give someone your login and password: This is the #1 cause of "hacked" accounts for sure. Either you give it to a friend or family member, girlfriend, guildmate, powerlevelling service, a guy on eBay buying your account, whatever. After that person accesses your account against your wishes and does whatever they want with it, you call customer service and lie that you have no idea what happened. You're not required to prove that you kept your login credentials secret. As you might expect, MMO companies have no way of preventing this either.
This is so true it hurts. The amount of times someone in my LS complained that they got hacked and then aknowledged they gave their pass only to their friend/sibling/fiance or, even worse, online friend that they knew "for two years" and so couldn't possibly do anything devious to them made me want to bash my head against a wall.
Anyway, since Square Enix actually seemed to care that RMT was hurting their game and they actually put together a squad to deal with it ( years later), I have hopes they've learned a lot since FFXI and will do something to minimize them. I don't expect them to be gone completely, but it shouldn't be as much as a problem like in FFXI.
I really hope they do a better job controlling gold farmers than they did for a long time in 11. I remember spending hours farming the groto for sirens hair only to have the nm nabbed by a bunch of farmers. That was the main reason I moved to WoW
In fairness RMT-ism was something that I'll repeat (despite being flamed for it on a prior post) that SE really didn't address despite the overwhelming complaints from players. Then we had this huge market inflation followed by a "okay we'll ban players" that resulted in a huge fall of market prices in a week. For most players who were around then the SE response to RMT was that it was simply "players with more time". FF14 will probably introduce the same techniques they've learned in 11 but I don't think it'll be as easy on the offset. Lets face it, no one is going to have $$$ from the onset and with everyone trying to make it, we'll all look like RMTs to an extent; we'll have the mentality to hunt an NM and if we see we can claim it consistently and kill it, we'll make our loot off that. And with few players wanting to pay premium prices for in game currency during the first few weeks combined with farmers trying to accumulate currency in the first place, the first few weeks might resemble what Aion looked like: tons of spams for items, attempts to monopolize items/mobs and tons of pk'ing of items (with the pk'ing replaced with mpking).
If I hire some folks in a developing country to fish for me, sell the fish, and give me the gil ... is that RMT? Or is it just RMT if I buy it off the internet? Because I'll tell ya ... if I understand correctly what the RMT companies pay the chinese gil farmers, well I need to hire some!!
Then it's just getting friends to help me make gil. Right?
haha ... kidding, of course. But it still makes me wonder ...
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I was just wandering about gold farmers...Can they hack(or are they usually hack) high-level(or whatever it's going to be) players for their characters? I've seen it in few MMORPGs but I didn't play FFXI so i don't know about situation with SE >_<
SE has been very good about recovering hacked accounts/banning gold farmers.
They have taken a strong stance against it and their whole CS department is currently probably one of the best in MMOs.
I know of several people that have been hacked and had their accounts fully recovered in about 2 weeks.
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Let us not spread the bs...
In order for someone who is not you to log into your account, they have to have both your login name and your password. This doesn't happen because someone gets access the game database and reads your info from it (at least I'm not aware of this ever happening). The overwhelming majority of "hacked accounts" happen in one of the following ways:
You use the same login and password somewhere else: If someone gets the list of login/pass pairs from a forum's database or other private site and tries them all on a game, they're going to gain access to all the accounts where people used the same login and pass. MMO companies have no way of preventing this.
A keylogger program on your computer records your login and password: In order for this to happen, you'd have to have a keylogger installed and running. This usually means that you downloaded a cheat or at least briefly visited a page that you shouldn't have been looking at. Aside from implementing expensive and annoying two-factor authentication, MMO companies have no way of preventing this.
Your login is known or easy to guess, and you have a weak password: Brute forcing a game with a list of common passwords is probably not done that often, but could happen. The much more likely scenario is that someone else (not a brute force cracker) guesses your password because you made it obvious, like your account name is Frodo and your password is Baggins. MMO companies can defend against the first method a little bit, but not the second.
Someone resets your password: Usually this requires them to have your credit card number and address and such. Not hard to do if you were buying gold off their website. Can also happen if you are not the account's real owner, like if you bought it off someone. Aside from implementing harsher measures of confirming your identity (which would have a negative effect on some people who legitimately contact CS), MMO companies have no way of preventing this.
You get tricked into giving someone your login and password: Phishing emails or in-game messages designed to get you to a fake website and login with your real information. Aside from annoying their customers with alerts reminding them not to fall for this, MMO companies have no way of preventing this.
You deliberately give someone your login and password: This is the #1 cause of "hacked" accounts for sure. Either you give it to a friend or family member, girlfriend, guildmate, powerlevelling service, a guy on eBay buying your account, whatever. After that person accesses your account against your wishes and does whatever they want with it, you call customer service and lie that you have no idea what happened. You're not required to prove that you kept your login credentials secret. As you might expect, MMO companies have no way of preventing this either.
So hopefully you can see what I'm getting at: there is very little that an MMO company can do to make sure that nobody gets into your account. Getting hacked has almost nothing to do with the game and everything to do with the person playing it.
This is so true it hurts. The amount of times someone in my LS complained that they got hacked and then aknowledged they gave their pass only to their friend/sibling/fiance or, even worse, online friend that they knew "for two years" and so couldn't possibly do anything devious to them made me want to bash my head against a wall.
Anyway, since Square Enix actually seemed to care that RMT was hurting their game and they actually put together a squad to deal with it ( years later), I have hopes they've learned a lot since FFXI and will do something to minimize them. I don't expect them to be gone completely, but it shouldn't be as much as a problem like in FFXI.
Want to control gold farmers?
Invite them to your house for dinner.....then kill them and bury them in the crawl space.
Works for me.
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
I really hope they do a better job controlling gold farmers than they did for a long time in 11. I remember spending hours farming the groto for sirens hair only to have the nm nabbed by a bunch of farmers. That was the main reason I moved to WoW
In fairness RMT-ism was something that I'll repeat (despite being flamed for it on a prior post) that SE really didn't address despite the overwhelming complaints from players. Then we had this huge market inflation followed by a "okay we'll ban players" that resulted in a huge fall of market prices in a week. For most players who were around then the SE response to RMT was that it was simply "players with more time". FF14 will probably introduce the same techniques they've learned in 11 but I don't think it'll be as easy on the offset. Lets face it, no one is going to have $$$ from the onset and with everyone trying to make it, we'll all look like RMTs to an extent; we'll have the mentality to hunt an NM and if we see we can claim it consistently and kill it, we'll make our loot off that. And with few players wanting to pay premium prices for in game currency during the first few weeks combined with farmers trying to accumulate currency in the first place, the first few weeks might resemble what Aion looked like: tons of spams for items, attempts to monopolize items/mobs and tons of pk'ing of items (with the pk'ing replaced with mpking).
If I hire some folks in a developing country to fish for me, sell the fish, and give me the gil ... is that RMT? Or is it just RMT if I buy it off the internet? Because I'll tell ya ... if I understand correctly what the RMT companies pay the chinese gil farmers, well I need to hire some!!
Then it's just getting friends to help me make gil. Right?
haha ... kidding, of course. But it still makes me wonder ...