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Developer Speaks out against PvP Guild

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  • VinterkrigVinterkrig Member UncommonPosts: 1,793

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Sadly, the two are pretty indistiguishable and more often than not, griefing is done for its own sake, and not some sort of noble purpose.

    Speaking of PVP, I prefer mine has a purpose, a goal, a reason to occur, otherwise leave me the hell alone in my games.

    but seriously, what is noble about a video game to begin with?

  • Azen77Azen77 Member UncommonPosts: 125

    Originally posted by Vinterkrig

    Originally posted by Kyleran


    Sadly, the two are pretty indistiguishable and more often than not, griefing is done for its own sake, and not some sort of noble purpose.

    Speaking of PVP, I prefer mine has a purpose, a goal, a reason to occur, otherwise leave me the hell alone in my games.

    but seriously, what is noble about a video game to begin with?

    That's the problem. Just like in forums, people people somehow feel that communication and interaction through electronic media makes you unaccountable to the normal courtesies of society. You intereact with people in an MMO, that's where any nobility would come in.

    Personally, though I love PvP, I don't attack lower level people or people I see questing/low life and minding their own business because I was raised to treat others how you want to be treated. Might seem strange to not have a double standard for the 'Internet' but that's because I wasn't raised in the cocky self deserving 90's.

    Thanks to this post though, I'm also checking out Aerrevan, heh.

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  • epicorepicor Member Posts: 60

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    hahahahaha.  vinter +1

    @the naysayers:  Griefing as an end is futile, ignorant and demoralizing.  Griefing as a means to instigate clan warfare,  server unity and player interaction is not.  Learn to tell the difference and you may find whole new avenues of gaming become available.

    Sadly, the two are pretty indistiguishable and more often than not, griefing is done for its own sake, and not some sort of noble purpose.

    Speaking of PVP, I prefer mine has a purpose, a goal, a reason to occur, otherwise leave me the hell alone in my games.

    I have to question whether you read, and understood my post.  As you said, a purpose.  Like clan warfare, server unity and player interaction...?

  • cjy420cjy420 Member Posts: 27

    I have to say that i find games boring if there arent real life "villains".  Whenever i start a game i look at the world chat or forums and find the guild that everyone loves to hate.  That way if a group of my friends see one of them we will give em a hard time just as they do.  

    Having a "villain" guild can and will provoke, some non pvpers into pvp.....it happened to me.  Theres a certain composure that these "bad guys" should have when conducting themselves, like keeping language clean and insults to mere hits on ego and not corpse camping.  Its real easy to go from the "bad guy" to the "biggest douche in the universe".

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 33,980

    Originally posted by epicor

    Originally posted by Kyleran


    hahahahaha.  vinter +1

    @the naysayers:  Griefing as an end is futile, ignorant and demoralizing.  Griefing as a means to instigate clan warfare,  server unity and player interaction is not.  Learn to tell the difference and you may find whole new avenues of gaming become available.

    Sadly, the two are pretty indistiguishable and more often than not, griefing is done for its own sake, and not some sort of noble purpose.

    Speaking of PVP, I prefer mine has a purpose, a goal, a reason to occur, otherwise leave me the hell alone in my games.

    I have to question whether you read, and understood my post.  As you said, a purpose.  Like clan warfare, server unity and player interaction...?

    I have to question whether you understand what a reasonable purpose in a game is. Such as holding a keep, fortress, territory or zone.  Your goals don't appeal to me. I could care less about server unity, unless we're talking faction vs faction, player interaction is much more enjoyable when cooperating with each other rather than facing off against antagonists.

    Stop trying to sugar coat your griefing in a coat of positives, doesn't work for me.

     

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  • emotaemota Member UncommonPosts: 413

    Well done the devs!!!

     

    Hoorah!

  • Spiritof55Spiritof55 Member Posts: 405

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    I had missed this game, thanks for pointing it out.

    As for the OP, looks like its good riddance to bad rubbish.

    PVP is one thing, griefing behavior has little in common with it.

    imo pvp is used as an excuse for griefing

    there are many who don't see a line between the two, for those idiots pvp = griefing

    pvp = no rules = anything goes = griefing

  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730

    Originally posted by Ashlura

    Its only the people attempting to fight for carebear land that are arguing the points for the developers.

    We arent griefers. I just wont kick people from the Guild because they choose to do it. We dont run Corpse Camping events, but I can tell you, the best way to start a fight is to mess with people. This is when they call in the troops.

     

    Why look for a fight, when you can bring one to you?

     

    It's simple gaming. For those that say you have played this and that, obviously you have stuck with the lighter side of things in those games. You gank, to inspire others Guildies to come fight for their people. This is how you get Guild vs Guild in World PvP. Deal with it.

     

    My post here wasnt meant for drama, it was meant to spread the word. There arent many RPrs left in the World. I havent even played the game yet, but based off of what the dev said to me, yeah, the game will fail. I will resurrect this post later when it does ;) To meet todays needs, you HAVE to meet the needs of all player types. 

     

    Gaming, Griefing, Corpse Camping = All is fair in love and war.

     

    Hate me all you want, but without me, the world is boring. Without threat from another player coming around the corner the game feels dull. Without someone to get your adrenaline pumping, the game will lose its luster. If all you want is a safe haven, you might as well play a console game. Just saying.

     

    What's funny is that everyone that responded here is over there too. :D No one else even gives a shit. But when the games FAQ catches their eye like it did mine, then they will see my post and:

    1) Play it just to make your lives a living hell

    2) Not play it which brings no revenue to the developers which eventually leads to shutting down the project :D

     

    Good luck

     

    You said it yourself.  A game should try to support the desires of as many player types as possible.

    Anarchy only benefits one player type, and precludes other player types from existing.  That has been proven in many other games, time and time again.  It's a recipe for assured failure.

    Thus, your own argument is an argument against the "exciting" playstyle you think you bring to the world.  The game may still crash and burn, but that won't be because they limited asshattery in their game.  In fact, such a limitation is a strength if you really are trying to foster multiple playstyles.

    Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  • epicorepicor Member Posts: 60

    You all still don't seem to understand what exactly we are saying.  You are imaging randoms camping you for hours on end for no reason other than to ruin your day.  While that does occasionally happen, cause, well we can be assholes and make no apologies, it's not our focus.  In simplest terms we are the Americans of the game. If we decide to declare war we don't line up and let the troops fire at will.  We don't send a letter of warning.  We just start killing your players.  We don't care that you were waiting on spawns.  We don't care that you were outnumbered.  We don't care that you were outlevelled.  

  • Azen77Azen77 Member UncommonPosts: 125

    Originally posted by epicor

    You all still don't seem to understand what exactly we are saying.  You are imaging randoms camping you for hours on end for no reason other than to ruin your day.  While that does occasionally happen, cause, well we can be assholes and make no apologies, it's not our focus.  In simplest terms we are the Americans of the game. If we decide to declare war we don't line up and let the troops fire at will.  We don't send a letter of warning.  We just start killing your players.  We don't care that you were waiting on spawns.  We don't care that you were outnumbered.  We don't care that you were outlevelled.  

    lol yah i think everyone pretty much understands what you are saying :)...especially now.

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  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Member UncommonPosts: 4,775

    Originally posted by CubeForce


    The PM referenced at the start of this thread was sent when a post was removed from this guilds recruitment thread. The post was removed because Ashlura (mmorpg.com username) had lashed out at a number of our community members who did not agree with the guild ideologies. The post was in violation of many forum rules and used very strong language. The recruitment thread was not removed and the admin did not tell them their guild was unwelcome. He simply stated that the response our community was giving him was to be expected considering Aerrevans target audience and he should refrain from lashing out at people who disagree with him in such an extreme manner. Ashlura then decided to withdraw his guild recruitment thread and seems to now believe the developers of Aerrevan are against PvP guilds. PvP is a central component of Aerrevan, we have a number of features designed purely for the PvP market. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and maybe Aerrevan is not right for a greifer guild, but that does not mean that we are anti-pvp. Such a claim is very clearly not based on factual information, but rather the emotions of this community member. If anyone has any further questions regarding our stance on PvP, please feel free to ask them, I will be watching this thread.


     


    CubeForce Media - Aerrevan Development Team

     So basically the OP started this thread because he had a little temper tantrum and tried to vent and get someone, anyone to tell him he was in the right without giving the facts. Nothing new, sounds a bit like and angry kid to me. Anyway the thread should have ended with this post lol.

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Member UncommonPosts: 4,775

    I will say this though lol, thanks OP this MMO seemed to fly under my radar and I wouldn't have know about it likely without your little rant. So thanks :) looks interesting.

  • MacDeathMacDeath Member Posts: 21

    I'm one of the beta testers for Aerrevan and I will be focusing a lot of my time in game to PvP,  I enjoy PvP in every game I play.  But I don't grief and I don't like griefers.  The guild charter for the OPs guild says they focus on Rez killing, corpse camping, etc.  Some games allow such activites.  Aerrevan's Devs have suggested that their community is more focused on roleplaying and gankers will be frowned upon.  A griefer guild will see that as "Carebear Land".  I see it as a Dev taking responsability to protect the game and community.  Thanks CubeForce,

    MacDeath

  • MaduoMaduo Member Posts: 8

    I would just like to say LOL at this thread XD

    Even without the devs saying otherwise, guilds like this are ridiculed publicly anyways, it's just nice to see the devs of a game coming together with the community once in a blue moon.

     

    to the griefers go the grief, do the ashes taste good knowing they are coming so close to home? image

     

    EDIT: is there a way to promote topics like these to headlines? XD

    I'd really like to spread this across the entire web =)

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  • JuulpowerJuulpower Member Posts: 65

    If it was my choice I would have deleted their guild thread immediatly.

    We have such a great community and I don't want to see it go downwards with people like those in this guild coming. Not one of them did post an introduction in the introduce yourself section... and that's the least they could do to be 'part of the community'. They don't care for others, they just want to gank others, as their thread states... I don't like them, and I wouldn't like it if the devs say anything about it...

    If you just prove your friendliness, if you just try to be part of the community, I won't have problems with you anymore... but looking at the posts you've made so far, I have.

  • PashakittyPashakitty Member Posts: 1

    You know, it's funny. The OP keeps contradicting himself. In one post he says that his guild doesn't corpse camp and in another post he says they do. If you really want the base info on this situation you can read the original thread here and decide for your selves. http://www.aerrevan.com/forum/index.php?topic=812.msg9351#new They whine about Aerrevan not being fair to PvPers while insulting the folks who have been in the forum all along, both PvPers and non PvPers and when someone gives them the same in return they simply run off to another forum and whine and complain.

    Then when they don't get the support that they're looking for in the other forum they try to turn around what they stand for and make it sound altruistic. If you want to know what they are all about simply read their guild charter. It also looks like the OP in the Aerrevan thread this came from has removed any of his posts that bragged about corps camping, I for one know that he had a post stating that they specifically look for people mob hunting and gank them then corpse camp. But as some would say, no screen shot no proof. Just goes to show that the group that claims to not care what others think must actually give a darn after all or they wouldn't delete their posts that make them look bad.

    In my opinion, (and it's only my opinion) corpse camping, rez killing, gankers should go away and only play games with others like themselves and leave the rest of the RPG world alone.

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  • KillSwitch69KillSwitch69 Member UncommonPosts: 36

    Originally posted by Ashlura

    Its only the people attempting to fight for carebear land that are arguing the points for the developers.

    We arent griefers. I just wont kick people from the Guild because they choose to do it. We dont run Corpse Camping events, but I can tell you, the best way to start a fight is to mess with people. This is when they call in the troops.

     

    Why look for a fight, when you can bring one to you?

     

    It's simple gaming. For those that say you have played this and that, obviously you have stuck with the lighter side of things in those games. You gank, to inspire others Guildies to come fight for their people. This is how you get Guild vs Guild in World PvP. Deal with it.

     

    My post here wasnt meant for drama, it was meant to spread the word. There arent many RPrs left in the World. I havent even played the game yet, but based off of what the dev said to me, yeah, the game will fail. I will resurrect this post later when it does ;) To meet todays needs, you HAVE to meet the needs of all player types. 

     

    Gaming, Griefing, Corpse Camping = All is fair in love and war.

     

    Hate me all you want, but without me, the world is boring. Without threat from another player coming around the corner the game feels dull. Without someone to get your adrenaline pumping, the game will lose its luster. If all you want is a safe haven, you might as well play a console game. Just saying.

     

    What's funny is that everyone that responded here is over there too. :D No one else even gives a shit. But when the games FAQ catches their eye like it did mine, then they will see my post and:

    1) Play it just to make your lives a living hell

    2) Not play it which brings no revenue to the developers which eventually leads to shutting down the project :D

     

    Good luck

     

    You're kidding right? Actually, the world would be a much better place without the likes of people like you with that attitude.

  • KillSwitch69KillSwitch69 Member UncommonPosts: 36

    You're kidding right? Actually, the world would be a much better place without the likes of people like you and that attitude.

  • consortitudeconsortitude Member Posts: 36

    Originally posted by Ashlura

    Its only the people attempting to fight for carebear land that are arguing the points for the developers.

    We arent griefers. I just wont kick people from the Guild because they choose to do it. We dont run Corpse Camping events, but I can tell you, the best way to start a fight is to mess with people. This is when they call in the troops.

     

    Why look for a fight, when you can bring one to you?

     

    It's simple gaming. For those that say you have played this and that, obviously you have stuck with the lighter side of things in those games. You gank, to inspire others Guildies to come fight for their people. This is how you get Guild vs Guild in World PvP. Deal with it.

     

    My post here wasnt meant for drama, it was meant to spread the word. There arent many RPrs left in the World. I havent even played the game yet, but based off of what the dev said to me, yeah, the game will fail. I will resurrect this post later when it does ;) To meet todays needs, you HAVE to meet the needs of all player types. 

     

    Gaming, Griefing, Corpse Camping = All is fair in love and war.

     

    Hate me all you want, but without me, the world is boring. Without threat from another player coming around the corner the game feels dull. Without someone to get your adrenaline pumping, the game will lose its luster. If all you want is a safe haven, you might as well play a console game. Just saying.

     

    What's funny is that everyone that responded here is over there too. :D No one else even gives a shit. But when the games FAQ catches their eye like it did mine, then they will see my post and:

    1) Play it just to make your lives a living hell

    2) Not play it which brings no revenue to the developers which eventually leads to shutting down the project :D

     

    Good luck

     Boy, you are sure a self-righteous idiot aren't you? Could you be more stuck on yourself.  Failures like you belong in MO, so go play that instead.  The game devs set the rules in their game, not you.  If you want to run around ganking newbies like a retard, then do it in a game where that crap is acceptable...Mortal Online.

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  • danJ188danJ188 Member Posts: 56

    Originally posted by Juulpower

    If it was my choice I would have deleted their guild thread immediatly.

    We have such a great community and I don't want to see it go downwards with people like those in this guild coming. Not one of them did post an introduction in the introduce yourself section... and that's the least they could do to be 'part of the community'. They don't care for others, they just want to gank others, as their thread states... I don't like them, and I wouldn't like it if the devs say anything about it...

    If you just prove your friendliness, if you just try to be part of the community, I won't have problems with you anymore... but looking at the posts you've made so far, I have.

    After reading everything, I really can safely conclude that the devs do not enjoy pvp guilds, because people will get mad when they pvp. This guy makes a good point. If you don't care for a pvp game, don't include pvp. It's pretty basic. Don't hate on the players because they act in unknown and unpredictable ways.image

  • ValkyrieValkyrie Member UncommonPosts: 192

    Originally posted by Miner-2049er

    Originally posted by Ashlura

    Gaming, Griefing, Corpse Camping = All is fair in love and war.

    Hate me all you want, but without me, the world is boring. Without threat from another player coming around the corner the game feels dull. Without someone to get your adrenaline pumping, the game will lose its luster. If all you want is a safe haven, you might as well play a console game. Just saying.

    Yes, we all secretly want to be ganked and griefed, and we all want to play games where our corpses are camped. I'm glad you came along because all the games were just so boring before you showed up. I guess you're like the Al Capone of the internet, and everyone is scared of you.

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  • GTwanderGTwander Member UncommonPosts: 6,035

    Originally posted by danJ188

    Originally posted by Juulpower

    If it was my choice I would have deleted their guild thread immediatly.

    We have such a great community and I don't want to see it go downwards with people like those in this guild coming. Not one of them did post an introduction in the introduce yourself section... and that's the least they could do to be 'part of the community'. They don't care for others, they just want to gank others, as their thread states... I don't like them, and I wouldn't like it if the devs say anything about it...

    If you just prove your friendliness, if you just try to be part of the community, I won't have problems with you anymore... but looking at the posts you've made so far, I have.

    After reading everything, I really can safely conclude that the devs do not enjoy pvp guilds, because people will get mad when they pvp. This guy makes a good point. If you don't care for a pvp game, don't include pvp. It's pretty basic. Don't hate on the players because they act in unknown and unpredictable ways.image

    It's not 'unknown and unpredictable', we all know why people act like stooges in PvP games; to make themselves feel like big men and make you rage quit. It's not like this hasn't been happening for-frikkin-ever, and it's not like we don't know why. Some people are just closet assholes, and a game can't rely on a demographic of people set at making others stay away or quit in disgust.

    The number one problem with MO is that people think they have excuses for acting the way they do... such as "the devs encourage me following you in order to steal from and berate you for hours on end".

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  • shadzeshadze Member Posts: 9

    Been reading all these threads and what annoys me is everyone is negative about

    people having genuine complaints about what in my opinion is immature game bullies.

    Game bullies actually cost any game real life coin. I have accounts in most of the games on this site.

    I like to play solo level up a charcter and have a great marriege to the item malls. I pay the premuims,

    Spend a obscene amount of cash in the item malls and generally mind my own buseniss.

    Maybe its because Im one of those mature players who has a life and love in thier spare time to play

    a decent mmo.I realise these games are pvp games but I play these games because I love the stories ,enjoy the skills,

    and find a real satisfaction in levelling. All I need is people attking me while im minding my own buseniss enjoying what

    little time I have to play.What gets real worse you know you are powerfully build  than them and when they die all you

    need is thier whole guild ganking you because one of thier members is a immature pig.So you die becuase thats the only option you have and in most mmo's you lose some xp. If this happens to much then you leave taking away your support and any money you do to the game making it secondary. I have many high level even maxed secondary characters on some games and when Im bored  I play them. Sadly this is a bad reflection on Games devolepers. Ivee always said have a choice of wether you want to be pve or pvp and  have something in the item mall to change this hence the developers profits, we who dont like to bother are happer and thier is no griefing .I have notices no game has this requirement which is stupid.Im looking at this game wondering whether it is worth playing or is it a group of bullies calling legitamite people babies. You might ask

    why I dont jion a guild. havent the time for those politics as my reallife is full of that sort of thing.The reality is Developer you lose income supporting bullies .

    Please consider this post and thank you for reading it.

  • eisenryueisenryu Member Posts: 157

    World pvp is the best but no one really does it anymore because of the fancy BG and Arena systems. So I like to bring the world pvp to myself and others that share my views by doing all those horrible things mentioned in this thread. Im addicted to pvp and there is nothing better than a fair fight, but sometimes to bring the fair fight to you you have to do some terrible things i.e. Take over an alliance town with a group of about 20. After about 10 - 15 mins the world pvp has a real way of finding you.

    If you havent done that, i suggest trying it.

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  • shadzeshadze Member Posts: 9

    Originally posted by eisenryu

    World pvp is the best but no one really does it anymore because of the fancy BG and Arena systems. So I like to bring the world pvp to myself and others that share my views by doing all those horrible things mentioned in this thread. Im addicted to pvp and there is nothing better than a fair fight, but sometimes to bring the fair fight to you you have to do some terrible things i.e. Take over an alliance town with a group of about 20. After about 10 - 15 mins the world pvp has a real way of finding you.

    If you havent done that, i suggest trying it.

    I havnt got no problemns with your  view I do have problemns not really having a chioce wether one can pvp or not.Also my greatest concern is the game itself. If you scare people away you rob games income. In robbing income you dont have all the nice updates and extra features because thier isnt enough profit for the game to provide these extras.People gripe that bugs need fixing yet people leave because attitudes need fixing. Id rather boot from a game those who do not benefit the game in general . Im ddicted to better income and better updates that make me want to pay for item mall things and premium service.

    I hope you are paying real money to support this game instead of just being a pvp nuisance.

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