Isn't the whole 'catch-up' arguement what fuels RMT in the first place? Allowing some rich guy to wave their credit card at CCP and sell 20 bil isk worth of plex then go on to buy up whatever is what is WRONG with this. Mr. rich newb can then buy a veteran character, a tech 2 bpo, any number of ships / mods. You don't lose a character, no risk involved there. You shouldn't lose a tech 2 bpo (unless you are a retard), little risk involved there. You might lose any ships / mods you buy with said isk, but that is the game and everyone risks that equally.
The point is CCP have lost any moral high ground over RMT by virtue of doing it themselves. Sure, I understand the issues of players abusing the game in order to do RMT (bots / exploiting) or the credit card fraud aspect. FIX THE GOODAM GAME ISSUES then.
If someone can come along, wave a wad of cash at the game and get everything a 6 year veteran of the game has, the game is BROKE from a fairness point of view. If people still find it enjoyable pew-pewing despite this, more power to them, but from my point of view you may as well fire up counter-strike. But anyway, I'll continue to play for 'free' using plex, but the system STINKS.
As do you. You ignore the fact that they specifically created a system for RMT to take place under they care inside their system. Thus creating RMT in their game. Free Markets have nothing to do with it. Once again dress up the pig in anything you want...it is still a pig. If you specifically create the forum, market, certifications, and vendors that allow RMT to take place in security you have created an RMT system.
OK, so according to your definition of RMT, CCP selling game time to players is RMT because they also allow players to sell that game time to each other for in-game currency. Fine: you can call it RMT. What the hell - I'll call it RMT. It's RMT. There, I said it. Happy?
So what? What's the problem here, exactly?
The problem is that EVE is a p2p game & as such I would expect it to be a "fair playground", but it isn't. If I wanted RMT in my MMO I would play f2p... I know their would be isk seller anyways, but still I don't think what CCP does is a solution to the MMO's rampant RMT problems. It just shows greedy corporate that they can impliment their own way of sucking more money out of their player base. ( & thrust me, you don't want that... oh wait! its to late already.)
Everyone gets the same options at character creation. That's the last stage at which you can expect EVE to be a "fair playground". Kind of like life, really.
I've already definitely shown why PLEX dont have a serious effect on game play. If you're refusing to play because of them, then frankly, I think you're hiding behind your principles to excuse your failures. Most EVE players dont sell PLEX. The most successfull ones never had to... and yet they still became the most successful. You might want to think about that.
In EVE they are fond are touting the 'different ways to PVP'. Economically, yes the RL money can trump ingame skill. And buying up a veteran character DOES give you an edge. Sure, it matters not a jot when it is blob vs blob and your bought char is just 1 man in 150 but still doesn't change the fact that you've potentially gone from being a 0 to being in a god-mode character, by virtue of RL money. Again, if you were use cash to isk and buy a tech 2 bpo... so many ways PLEX is wrong. Be in denial if you like but do think about it.
Isn't the whole 'catch-up' arguement what fuels RMT in the first place? Allowing some rich guy to wave their credit card at CCP and sell 20 bil isk worth of plex then go on to buy up whatever is what is WRONG with this. Mr. rich newb can then buy a veteran character, a tech 2 bpo, any number of ships / mods. You don't lose a character, no risk involved there. You shouldn't lose a tech 2 bpo (unless you are a retard), little risk involved there. You might lose any ships / mods you buy with said isk, but that is the game and everyone risks that equally.
The point is CCP have lost any moral high ground over RMT by virtue of doing it themselves. Sure, I understand the issues of players abusing the game in order to do RMT (bots / exploiting) or the credit card fraud aspect. FIX THE GOODAM GAME ISSUES then.
If someone can come along, wave a wad of cash at the game and get everything a 6 year veteran of the game has, the game is BROKE from a fairness point of view. If people still find it enjoyable pew-pewing despite this, more power to them, but from my point of view you may as well fire up counter-strike. But anyway, I'll continue to play for 'free' using plex, but the system STINKS.
Nope not at all the RMT/Cash shops which this thread is about buying items that cannot be found in game and give you a great advantage through no skill of youre own. Thats not what CCP does at all. The OPs sole purpose is to try to slander CCP/EvE when as far as I can see they are the only MMO that have done something constructive whilst kicking 3rd parties which exploit and ruuin games into touch.
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In EVE they are fond are touting the 'different ways to PVP'. Economically, yes the RL money can trump ingame skill. And buying up a veteran character DOES give you an edge. Sure, it matters not a jot when it is blob vs blob and your bought char is just 1 man in 150 but still doesn't change the fact that you've potentially gone from being a 0 to being in a god-mode character, by virtue of RL money. Again, if you were use cash to isk and buy a tech 2 bpo... so many ways PLEX is wrong. Be in denial if you like but do think about it.
Just thought I would point out how much I disagree with this. It's a great example of comparing EVE to fantasy games, and It just doesn't work in this game. There is no God Mode for anyone in this game, and buying a ship or character you don't know how to use can only end in terrible pain. This is also true of the market, which is just as complex as the PVP. So you buy you're T2 BPO? How would you know which one to buy? What about all the real time skills to use it? There is a lot of things you have to know and know how to use, if you're going to use a T2 BPO. Just buying one will get you nothing but laughed at, and the same is true of a 70 Mill skill point character. It just doesn't work that way. You can't buy success in EVE, and this is a key reason some people love the game.
In EVE they are fond are touting the 'different ways to PVP'. Economically, yes the RL money can trump ingame skill. And buying up a veteran character DOES give you an edge. Sure, it matters not a jot when it is blob vs blob and your bought char is just 1 man in 150 but still doesn't change the fact that you've potentially gone from being a 0 to being in a god-mode character, by virtue of RL money. Again, if you were use cash to isk and buy a tech 2 bpo... so many ways PLEX is wrong. Be in denial if you like but do think about it.
Hillarious, if you had ever played the game you would realise what a fool you look like now. What you forget is you are not buying anything anyone else in the game can't easily buy. The process rewards commited players to get rid of spare ISK and fools who know no better to buy it.
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As do you. You ignore the fact that they specifically created a system for RMT to take place under they care inside their system. Thus creating RMT in their game. Free Markets have nothing to do with it. Once again dress up the pig in anything you want...it is still a pig. If you specifically create the forum, market, certifications, and vendors that allow RMT to take place in security you have created an RMT system.
OK, so according to your definition of RMT, CCP selling game time to players is RMT because they also allow players to sell that game time to each other for in-game currency. Fine: you can call it RMT. What the hell - I'll call it RMT. It's RMT. There, I said it. Happy?
So what? What's the problem here, exactly?
The problem is that EVE is a p2p game & as such I would expect it to be a "fair playground", but it isn't. If I wanted RMT in my MMO I would play f2p... I know their would be isk seller anyways, but still I don't think what CCP does is a solution to the MMO's rampant RMT problems. It just shows greedy corporate that they can impliment their own way of sucking more money out of their player base. ( & thrust me, you don't want that... oh wait! its to late already.)
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The problem is that EVE is a p2p game & as such I would expect it to be a "fair playground", but it isn't. If I wanted RMT in my MMO I would play f2p... I know their would be isk seller anyways, but still I don't think what CCP does is a solution to the MMO's rampant RMT problems. It just shows greedy corporate that they can impliment their own way of sucking more money out of their player base. ( & thrust me, you don't want that... oh wait! its to late already.)
If it was really about greed, I think they would charge for expansions and sell ISK directly to players. I think it's more about success TBH.
On the other hand some people /in the game/ has resources enough to not only have a shitload of ISK they can play the game for free... while those other people have to resort to spend RL money :S
As do you. You ignore the fact that they specifically created a system for RMT to take place under they care inside their system. Thus creating RMT in their game. Free Markets have nothing to do with it. Once again dress up the pig in anything you want...it is still a pig. If you specifically create the forum, market, certifications, and vendors that allow RMT to take place in security you have created an RMT system.
OK, so according to your definition of RMT, CCP selling game time to players is RMT because they also allow players to sell that game time to each other for in-game currency. Fine: you can call it RMT. What the hell - I'll call it RMT. It's RMT. There, I said it. Happy?
So what? What's the problem here, exactly?
The problem is that EVE is a p2p game & as such I would expect it to be a "fair playground", but it isn't. If I wanted RMT in my MMO I would play f2p... I know their would be isk seller anyways, but still I don't think what CCP does is a solution to the MMO's rampant RMT problems. It just shows greedy corporate that they can impliment their own way of sucking more money out of their player base. ( & thrust me, you don't want that... oh wait! its to late already.)
I one sells ten GTC it equals ten subscriptions fees not being payed... the one buying the GTC just payed that, this is 0 sum equation from CCP they don't earn extra money on this.
It's simple.
To reiterate.
I go out and buy one GTC, 60 days.
I sell those ingame.
The buyer will not have to pay, to CCP, for his subscription for 60 days.
In EVE they are fond are touting the 'different ways to PVP'. Economically, yes the RL money can trump ingame skill. And buying up a veteran character DOES give you an edge. Sure, it matters not a jot when it is blob vs blob and your bought char is just 1 man in 150 but still doesn't change the fact that you've potentially gone from being a 0 to being in a god-mode character, by virtue of RL money. Again, if you were use cash to isk and buy a tech 2 bpo... so many ways PLEX is wrong. Be in denial if you like but do think about it.
Just thought I would point out how much I disagree with this. It's a great example of comparing EVE to fantasy games, and It just doesn't work in this game. There is no God Mode for anyone in this game, and buying a ship or character you don't know how to use can only end in terrible pain. This is also true of the market, which is just as complex as the PVP. So you buy you're T2 BPO? How would you know which one to buy? What about all the real time skills to use it? There is a lot of things you have to know and know how to use, if you're going to use a T2 BPO. Just buying one will get you nothing but laughed at, and the same is true of a 70 Mill skill point character. It just doesn't work that way. You can't buy success in EVE, and this is a key reason some people love the game.
Hush, I haven't gotten a comedy KM from someone who thinks like this in quite a while.
I can't believe this thread is so big so fast. I think I'll just start shamelessly trolling, might as well join the fun.
Ahem...
ALL PLEX ARE SOLD BY CLUELESS NOOBS WHO THINK THAT SOMEHOW HAVING A BIG PILE OF ISK AND A CHARACTER WITH A LOT OF SKILLPOINTS WILL JUSTIFY THE INVESTMENT. THESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING RETARDS WHO HAVE A LIFE EXPECTENCY OF ABOUT 5 SECONDS IN ANY PLACE WHERE ALL THAT CASH MIGHT COUNT FOR SOMETHING AND THEN THEY LOSE IT ALL AND THEY JUST WASTED UMPTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS, LIKE THAT ONE RUSSIAN GUY THAT MADE THE NEWS A YEAR OR SO BACK.
ALL THE REST OF THE PLEX ARE SOLD BY SPECULATORS WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK. ALL PLEX ARE PURCHASED BY WEALTHY VETERANS TO FUND THEIR 1000S OF ALTS BECAUSE AS EVERYONE KNOWS EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN PLAYING MORE THAN A MONTH HAS A MASSIVE TRADING / MOON MINING / RENTING OPERATION THAT FUNDS PLEX FOR THEIR 100+ ALTS.
As do you. You ignore the fact that they specifically created a system for RMT to take place under they care inside their system. Thus creating RMT in their game. Free Markets have nothing to do with it. Once again dress up the pig in anything you want...it is still a pig. If you specifically create the forum, market, certifications, and vendors that allow RMT to take place in security you have created an RMT system.
OK, so according to your definition of RMT, CCP selling game time to players is RMT because they also allow players to sell that game time to each other for in-game currency. Fine: you can call it RMT. What the hell - I'll call it RMT. It's RMT. There, I said it. Happy?
So what? What's the problem here, exactly?
The problem is that EVE is a p2p game & as such I would expect it to be a "fair playground", but it isn't. If I wanted RMT in my MMO I would play f2p... I know their would be isk seller anyways, but still I don't think what CCP does is a solution to the MMO's rampant RMT problems. It just shows greedy corporate that they can impliment their own way of sucking more money out of their player base. ( & thrust me, you don't want that... oh wait! its to late already.)
Everyone gets the same options at character creation. That's the last stage at which you can expect EVE to be a "fair playground". Kind of like life, really.
I've already definitely shown why PLEX dont have a serious effect on game play. If you're refusing to play because of them, then frankly, I think you're hiding behind your principles to excuse your failures. Most EVE players dont sell PLEX. The most successfull ones never had to... and yet they still became the most successful. You might want to think about that.
You might want to think about the fact that those successfull players have been in the game from the start or close to it & the game was very different back then. That 0.0 was new & free to be conquered by those so called successfull people. By now they have all the skills & ressources they need to be just that, succesfull. How this logic apply to newer players? It doesn't... hence the introduction of ligal RMT to feed on the noob that have the dream (absurd) of competing with the big boys.
About your comment about failures... I think you hide in an unfair game to hide that you have low self esteem. See how that works? Can we put this "failures" nonsense behind now...
*My first post about this got all messed up. My pc was acting on me.*
EVE online does not have a cash shop. I don't even think you know what a cash shop is. Anyone in any popular MMO can buy in game currency for a price so who cares if EVE online decides to make the money that spammers were taking away from them. In your opinion every MMO has illegal "cash shops" anyways so I don't know why QQ'ing about EVE.
Playing: PO, EVE Waiting for: WoD Favourite MMOs: VG, EVE, FE and DDO Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.
EVE online does not have a cash shop. I don't even think you know what a cash shop is. Anyone in any popular MMO can buy in game currency for a price so who cares if EVE online decides to make the money that spammers were taking away from them. In your opinion every MMO has illegal "cash shops" anyways so I don't know why QQ'ing about EVE.
Title should have been: "EVE online & the "hidden" RMT. (Not really hidden either though... lol)
Its not a cash shop... thats for sure. As for the QQ'ing, maybe its because EVE is a (Full loot)* FFA PvP game & that makes it even worst than most other games.
* Not really full loot, but you know what its all about.
edit: Just trying to explain what I think is wrong. I have no personnal involvement in the game as I played for 6 months 3 years ago. It was enough for me to see the obvious flaws in the game. Just my opinion, thats all. If you like that gaming format, by all means, play it!
In EVE they are fond are touting the 'different ways to PVP'. Economically, yes the RL money can trump ingame skill. And buying up a veteran character DOES give you an edge. Sure, it matters not a jot when it is blob vs blob and your bought char is just 1 man in 150 but still doesn't change the fact that you've potentially gone from being a 0 to being in a god-mode character, by virtue of RL money. Again, if you were use cash to isk and buy a tech 2 bpo... so many ways PLEX is wrong. Be in denial if you like but do think about it.
Just thought I would point out how much I disagree with this. It's a great example of comparing EVE to fantasy games, and It just doesn't work in this game. There is no God Mode for anyone in this game, and buying a ship or character you don't know how to use can only end in terrible pain. This is also true of the market, which is just as complex as the PVP. So you buy you're T2 BPO? How would you know which one to buy? What about all the real time skills to use it? There is a lot of things you have to know and know how to use, if you're going to use a T2 BPO. Just buying one will get you nothing but laughed at, and the same is true of a 70 Mill skill point character. It just doesn't work that way. You can't buy success in EVE, and this is a key reason some people love the game.
Hush, I haven't gotten a comedy KM from someone who thinks like this in quite a while.
I can't believe this thread is so big so fast. I think I'll just start shamelessly trolling, might as well join the fun.
Ahem...
ALL PLEX ARE SOLD BY CLUELESS NOOBS WHO THINK THAT SOMEHOW HAVING A BIG PILE OF ISK AND A CHARACTER WITH A LOT OF SKILLPOINTS WILL JUSTIFY THE INVESTMENT. THESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING RETARDS WHO HAVE A LIFE EXPECTENCY OF ABOUT 5 SECONDS IN ANY PLACE WHERE ALL THAT CASH MIGHT COUNT FOR SOMETHING AND THEN THEY LOSE IT ALL AND THEY JUST WASTED UMPTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS, LIKE THAT ONE RUSSIAN GUY THAT MADE THE NEWS A YEAR OR SO BACK.
ALL THE REST OF THE PLEX ARE SOLD BY SPECULATORS WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK. ALL PLEX ARE PURCHASED BY WEALTHY VETERANS TO FUND THEIR 1000S OF ALTS BECAUSE AS EVERYONE KNOWS EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN PLAYING MORE THAN A MONTH HAS A MASSIVE TRADING / MOON MINING / RENTING OPERATION THAT FUNDS PLEX FOR THEIR 100+ ALTS.
nice troll - I can still hear it echoing. Paragraph one and two don't agree with each other which is a nice touch (all are then the rest are - if all are there is no rest of) A good point about EVE is that while making isk is fairly easy losing it by making a stupid decision, like using an unescorted transport ship to transfer most of your stock from 1 system to another - many systems away and then doing it on auto and leaving to cook dinner (which I did once - it was a good way to reduce my stock, though it profited somebody else and got me podded.). Buying plex and selling plex cards does not increase your intelligence which is required in EVE(more so than any other game - my opinion - And I mean your intelligence not your character's). But nice troll, I award you 1 1/2 Trollburgers out of 2.
Just a little comment on CCP not making more money through PLEX. I'm sorry but they are big time!
If you couldn't ligaly buy PLEX do you really think that there would be as much multiple account players?
This system promotes boting/macro-mining in a massive way... some peole have up to 10+ accounts that generate enough isk to play for free & make shit load more of pure exploitive profit.
In the long term they make the same money they would have based on active accounts.... No More No less...
Best I can think is they may make interest on game time being paid for in advance...
But what they do do is control their own markets rather than them being reuined by externa; RMT activities.
Huh? I think you missed the point.
EVE wouldn't have that many paying accounts if there was no PLEX. Don't you see that being able to bot/macro-mine to pay for multiple PLEXs ( that someone else paid CCP with RL cash > a.k.a. ADDITIONAL PROFIT) to, in essence, play for free & even make lots of overhead isk is just whats happenning in EVE right now. ( & as been for quite some time...)
And I'm telling you as a veteran who has played since BETA who has flown with the best of the best, that a newb CAN effing well buy themselves a good char, good kit and bypass 5 or 6 years of in-game effort with a wad of cash. Yes, said newb might lose the ship & mods in the space of an hour thinking they are it, but I reckon most will be along the 3 to 6 month newbs who DO actually know a bit about the game mechanics before dropping a load of cash on the game. It is RMT, and it is WRONG just plain WRONG that RL cash can affect the game in any way. May as well be a sodding cash shop as the OP says.
Anyone that supports the service in Eve online should just make sure they keep out of threads about gold sellers in other games because hypocrits suck. I am all for gold selling in all games, btw.
What happens with CCPs plex system? A player can use Rl cash to buy gametime(This gametime is bought from CCP) after the gametime is purchased the player can choose to use said gametime for his own characters or turn it into a in game item called Plex. This item can be bought by a player not able to pay for the game but has the time to make decent isk. In turn the seller made 250-275 million isk. The isk used to buy this plex was made by normal gameplay means, no hacking or boting and doesnt put stress on the server.
Disingenuous way to represent it. Botting doesn't "generate" money. Hacking doesn't "generate" money. What both do is enable the RMT to generate in-game money - through farming - by automating the process (botting) or by basically cheating the game (hacking) to do so. Fundamentally, though, they do no more than a normal player would do... they just do it more and cheat in the process. Other than dupes (which normal players use as well), there is no magical way for RMT to create in-game money out of thin air that other players can't do as well.
That's not true at all. By using Hacks and botting you can out farm a normal player in eve ten fold. thats what puts stress on the server. One account doing the work of ten inflates the amount of isk being made and messes with the economy so yes hacking and botting make isk.
Ummm... Congratulations, you just said exactly what I did.... after saying it's "not true at all".
Pay special attention to the bit I highlighted in red in my post.
RMT do exactly what players do... they farm in-game resources for in-game money. Only, due to their use of bots and hacks, they do it more and are to gain a greater amount of in-game money, which they then sell, etc.
Regardless, my point remains... Hacking programs do not generate money. Bots do not generate money. Farming generates money and at that point, the only distinction is how much farming you're doing. RMT are able to farm more due to bots/hacks they use, thus they gain more in-game money which is then sold, etc. Normal players can farm maybe 3-4 hours or so at a stretch. RMT using bots/hacks can farm 24/7. That's the only difference.
At the end of the day, the money earned by RMT farming is no different from the money earned by regular players farming - the only difference is quantity. The real money being spent for in-game currency - even with a subscription card as a sort of "middle man" - is still no different than your basic RMT transaction - it's real world money being converted into in-game money.
I'm not contesting that RMT flood the economy and basically ruin it, so I'm not sure why you keep arguing that as though I'm disagreeing. I've seen that first-hand in other MMOs.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
And I'm telling you as a veteran who has played since BETA who has flown with the best of the best, that a newb CAN effing well buy themselves a good char, good kit and bypass 5 or 6 years of in-game effort with a wad of cash. Yes, said newb might lose the ship & mods in the space of an hour thinking they are it, but I reckon most will be along the 3 to 6 month newbs who DO actually know a bit about the game mechanics before dropping a load of cash on the game. It is RMT, and it is WRONG just plain WRONG that RL cash can affect the game in any way. May as well be a sodding cash shop as the OP says.
You've played since beta yet understand so little about how the game mechanics actually work? Amazing.
Go ahead and bring your 5-6 year old character out, my 2.5 year old character will hand you your arse if you show up in the wrong ship in the wrong situation.
EVE has never been about how many ships you can fly, but how many you can fly well. (and you only need a few)
You can't buy power in EVE with ISK, that comes from other sources.
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The only point I can honestly see is how to Troll a gaming forum. Saying that a someone can buy their way into EVE is not worth the effort to type about. It takes two thing to succeed in this game, diplomacy and quick thinking, and you can't buy either one. Anyone who playes for any real length of time knows this.
Now if you have played before and understand the game, and know how to do those two things, yeah you can buy your way in, but that's the only way.
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Isn't the whole 'catch-up' arguement what fuels RMT in the first place? Allowing some rich guy to wave their credit card at CCP and sell 20 bil isk worth of plex then go on to buy up whatever is what is WRONG with this. Mr. rich newb can then buy a veteran character, a tech 2 bpo, any number of ships / mods. You don't lose a character, no risk involved there. You shouldn't lose a tech 2 bpo (unless you are a retard), little risk involved there. You might lose any ships / mods you buy with said isk, but that is the game and everyone risks that equally.
The point is CCP have lost any moral high ground over RMT by virtue of doing it themselves. Sure, I understand the issues of players abusing the game in order to do RMT (bots / exploiting) or the credit card fraud aspect. FIX THE GOODAM GAME ISSUES then.
If someone can come along, wave a wad of cash at the game and get everything a 6 year veteran of the game has, the game is BROKE from a fairness point of view. If people still find it enjoyable pew-pewing despite this, more power to them, but from my point of view you may as well fire up counter-strike. But anyway, I'll continue to play for 'free' using plex, but the system STINKS.
Everyone gets the same options at character creation. That's the last stage at which you can expect EVE to be a "fair playground". Kind of like life, really.
I've already definitely shown why PLEX dont have a serious effect on game play. If you're refusing to play because of them, then frankly, I think you're hiding behind your principles to excuse your failures. Most EVE players dont sell PLEX. The most successfull ones never had to... and yet they still became the most successful. You might want to think about that.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
They cant. How many times does it have to be explained to you that you can't by win before you either get it or call me a liar?
Give me liberty or give me lasers
In EVE they are fond are touting the 'different ways to PVP'. Economically, yes the RL money can trump ingame skill. And buying up a veteran character DOES give you an edge. Sure, it matters not a jot when it is blob vs blob and your bought char is just 1 man in 150 but still doesn't change the fact that you've potentially gone from being a 0 to being in a god-mode character, by virtue of RL money. Again, if you were use cash to isk and buy a tech 2 bpo... so many ways PLEX is wrong. Be in denial if you like but do think about it.
dint you notice is player choise if none buy the PLEX there is no trade, CCP do not impose this is just a simple option
if dont like that persude players against PLEX trade and make all eve player to refuse to buy PLEX or sell PLEX
BestSigEver :P
well technicaly they do but they have to "buy" 1000 players to start a alliance.
BestSigEver :P
Nope not at all the RMT/Cash shops which this thread is about buying items that cannot be found in game and give you a great advantage through no skill of youre own. Thats not what CCP does at all. The OPs sole purpose is to try to slander CCP/EvE when as far as I can see they are the only MMO that have done something constructive whilst kicking 3rd parties which exploit and ruuin games into touch.
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Just thought I would point out how much I disagree with this. It's a great example of comparing EVE to fantasy games, and It just doesn't work in this game. There is no God Mode for anyone in this game, and buying a ship or character you don't know how to use can only end in terrible pain. This is also true of the market, which is just as complex as the PVP. So you buy you're T2 BPO? How would you know which one to buy? What about all the real time skills to use it? There is a lot of things you have to know and know how to use, if you're going to use a T2 BPO. Just buying one will get you nothing but laughed at, and the same is true of a 70 Mill skill point character. It just doesn't work that way. You can't buy success in EVE, and this is a key reason some people love the game.
Hillarious, if you had ever played the game you would realise what a fool you look like now. What you forget is you are not buying anything anyone else in the game can't easily buy. The process rewards commited players to get rid of spare ISK and fools who know no better to buy it.
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
If it was really about greed, I think they would charge for expansions and sell ISK directly to players. I think it's more about success TBH.
On the other hand some people /in the game/ has resources enough to not only have a shitload of ISK they can play the game for free... while those other people have to resort to spend RL money :S
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
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I one sells ten GTC it equals ten subscriptions fees not being payed... the one buying the GTC just payed that, this is 0 sum equation from CCP they don't earn extra money on this.
It's simple.
To reiterate.
I go out and buy one GTC, 60 days.
I sell those ingame.
The buyer will not have to pay, to CCP, for his subscription for 60 days.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Hush, I haven't gotten a comedy KM from someone who thinks like this in quite a while.
I can't believe this thread is so big so fast. I think I'll just start shamelessly trolling, might as well join the fun.
Ahem...
ALL PLEX ARE SOLD BY CLUELESS NOOBS WHO THINK THAT SOMEHOW HAVING A BIG PILE OF ISK AND A CHARACTER WITH A LOT OF SKILLPOINTS WILL JUSTIFY THE INVESTMENT. THESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING RETARDS WHO HAVE A LIFE EXPECTENCY OF ABOUT 5 SECONDS IN ANY PLACE WHERE ALL THAT CASH MIGHT COUNT FOR SOMETHING AND THEN THEY LOSE IT ALL AND THEY JUST WASTED UMPTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS, LIKE THAT ONE RUSSIAN GUY THAT MADE THE NEWS A YEAR OR SO BACK.
ALL THE REST OF THE PLEX ARE SOLD BY SPECULATORS WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK. ALL PLEX ARE PURCHASED BY WEALTHY VETERANS TO FUND THEIR 1000S OF ALTS BECAUSE AS EVERYONE KNOWS EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN PLAYING MORE THAN A MONTH HAS A MASSIVE TRADING / MOON MINING / RENTING OPERATION THAT FUNDS PLEX FOR THEIR 100+ ALTS.
You might want to think about the fact that those successfull players have been in the game from the start or close to it & the game was very different back then. That 0.0 was new & free to be conquered by those so called successfull people. By now they have all the skills & ressources they need to be just that, succesfull. How this logic apply to newer players? It doesn't... hence the introduction of ligal RMT to feed on the noob that have the dream (absurd) of competing with the big boys.
About your comment about failures... I think you hide in an unfair game to hide that you have low self esteem. See how that works? Can we put this "failures" nonsense behind now...
*My first post about this got all messed up. My pc was acting on me.*
EVE online does not have a cash shop. I don't even think you know what a cash shop is. Anyone in any popular MMO can buy in game currency for a price so who cares if EVE online decides to make the money that spammers were taking away from them. In your opinion every MMO has illegal "cash shops" anyways so I don't know why QQ'ing about EVE.
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Title should have been: "EVE online & the "hidden" RMT. (Not really hidden either though... lol)
Its not a cash shop... thats for sure. As for the QQ'ing, maybe its because EVE is a (Full loot)* FFA PvP game & that makes it even worst than most other games.
* Not really full loot, but you know what its all about.
edit: Just trying to explain what I think is wrong. I have no personnal involvement in the game as I played for 6 months 3 years ago. It was enough for me to see the obvious flaws in the game. Just my opinion, thats all. If you like that gaming format, by all means, play it!
nice troll - I can still hear it echoing. Paragraph one and two don't agree with each other which is a nice touch (all are then the rest are - if all are there is no rest of) A good point about EVE is that while making isk is fairly easy losing it by making a stupid decision, like using an unescorted transport ship to transfer most of your stock from 1 system to another - many systems away and then doing it on auto and leaving to cook dinner (which I did once - it was a good way to reduce my stock, though it profited somebody else and got me podded.). Buying plex and selling plex cards does not increase your intelligence which is required in EVE(more so than any other game - my opinion - And I mean your intelligence not your character's). But nice troll, I award you 1 1/2 Trollburgers out of 2.
Huh? I think you missed the point.
EVE wouldn't have that many paying accounts if there was no PLEX. Don't you see that being able to bot/macro-mine to pay for multiple PLEXs ( that someone else paid CCP with RL cash > a.k.a. ADDITIONAL PROFIT) to, in essence, play for free & even make lots of overhead isk is just whats happenning in EVE right now. ( & as been for quite some time...)
And I'm telling you as a veteran who has played since BETA who has flown with the best of the best, that a newb CAN effing well buy themselves a good char, good kit and bypass 5 or 6 years of in-game effort with a wad of cash. Yes, said newb might lose the ship & mods in the space of an hour thinking they are it, but I reckon most will be along the 3 to 6 month newbs who DO actually know a bit about the game mechanics before dropping a load of cash on the game. It is RMT, and it is WRONG just plain WRONG that RL cash can affect the game in any way. May as well be a sodding cash shop as the OP says.
Ummm... Congratulations, you just said exactly what I did.... after saying it's "not true at all".
Pay special attention to the bit I highlighted in red in my post.
RMT do exactly what players do... they farm in-game resources for in-game money. Only, due to their use of bots and hacks, they do it more and are to gain a greater amount of in-game money, which they then sell, etc.
Regardless, my point remains... Hacking programs do not generate money. Bots do not generate money. Farming generates money and at that point, the only distinction is how much farming you're doing. RMT are able to farm more due to bots/hacks they use, thus they gain more in-game money which is then sold, etc. Normal players can farm maybe 3-4 hours or so at a stretch. RMT using bots/hacks can farm 24/7. That's the only difference.
At the end of the day, the money earned by RMT farming is no different from the money earned by regular players farming - the only difference is quantity. The real money being spent for in-game currency - even with a subscription card as a sort of "middle man" - is still no different than your basic RMT transaction - it's real world money being converted into in-game money.
I'm not contesting that RMT flood the economy and basically ruin it, so I'm not sure why you keep arguing that as though I'm disagreeing. I've seen that first-hand in other MMOs.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
You've played since beta yet understand so little about how the game mechanics actually work? Amazing.
Go ahead and bring your 5-6 year old character out, my 2.5 year old character will hand you your arse if you show up in the wrong ship in the wrong situation.
EVE has never been about how many ships you can fly, but how many you can fly well. (and you only need a few)
You can't buy power in EVE with ISK, that comes from other sources.
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you missed his point
The only point I can honestly see is how to Troll a gaming forum. Saying that a someone can buy their way into EVE is not worth the effort to type about. It takes two thing to succeed in this game, diplomacy and quick thinking, and you can't buy either one. Anyone who playes for any real length of time knows this.
Now if you have played before and understand the game, and know how to do those two things, yeah you can buy your way in, but that's the only way.