10 Reasons why AION is one to miss

garyleven · March 2010

1). You only get to use wings in limited areas.

2). This game is a grind trust me.

3). The content is poor especially endgame.

4). The PVP system has no real thought put into it.

5). The track record of this company is poor.

6). The community is very weak and losing players all the time.

7). Servers are very laggy at times, can make play difficult.

8). To many bots in the game.

9). Far to many gold farmers.

10). Theres better mmo's out there.

Sovrath · March 2010

Originally posted by garyleven

1). You only get to use wings in limited areas.
This may or may not be a game breaker for some as there are reasons for this which are not only explained in the lore (though my feeling it is more for game play over lore ) but are also there because in certain areas so that one can make hard choices on when and where to use the wings (abyss) or so that content is not bypassed.

2). This game is a grind trust me.
I can't trust you because I KNOW what a grind is. Lineage 2 was a grind. I played pretty hardcore and still never made top lvl. And you just went to spots and would grind mobs. End of story. There weren't a plethora of quests to do. Also in Aion you get xp for gathering and crafting. If you come from wow then you might think it a grind.

3). The content is poor especially endgame.
I think the content is hit or miss.

4). The PVP system has no real thought put into it.
Because?

5). The track record of this company is poor.
Their track record for customer relations can be pretty poor. Their track record for making beautiful games is not poor. I would argue that there are things in Lineage 2 that make is a phenomenal game.

6). The community is very weak and losing players all the time.
Community being weak is subjective but you do say it's your opinion. They are going to be coming out with 2 updates soon so perhaps that will help with losing some players.

7). Servers are very laggy at times, can make play difficult.
I've never been in a game that didn't have laggy servers when there were a lot of players on.

8). To many bots in the game.
There are hardly any noticeable bots in game. Still some there though.

9). Far to many gold farmers.
Same as above. Also they are very active to remove gold spammers and gold selling advertisement shops in game.

10). Theres better mmo's out there.
I'm sure there are also worse.

crunchyblack · March 2010

Originally posted by garyleven

1). You only get to use wings in limited areas.

2). This game is a grind trust me.

3). The content is poor especially endgame.

4). The PVP system has no real thought put into it.

5). The track record of this company is poor.

6). The community is very weak and losing players all the time.

7). Servers are very laggy at times, can make play difficult.

8). To many bots in the game.

9). Far to many gold farmers.

10). Theres better mmo's out there.

Pretty much nailed it.

The graphics were not that impressive, vanguard and aoc both blow aion away.

The game engin doesnt allow for swimming (stand on the bottom of the lake and drown) it crashes a lot (especially on high end rigs).

The fort seiges were unplayable they were so laggy and crash prone. Which caused death and seperation from your raid (have fun getting back in the chaos)

The game IS a grind. Not as bad as some games, but youll know it by level 20.

What theres one end game raid boss? And you have to fight for him against the other faction in a zerg vs zerg fest?

In your face botting/farming/spam/cheating....even the GM's spam.

The flying is great when latency is high during mass pvp events, causing you to land and drop your wings on an abyss shard, only to be rubber banded back into the sky with no wings for an instant fall death. Flying in this game is a joke.

Abyss is soooo small as a play feild and so boring looking.

Not the worst game in the world, but there are lots of better games out there.

Aion...an epic waste of what could have been a really badass angels/demon faction vs faction pvp game. Why did they go the cutsie/metro look instead of badass looking archangles and cool looking demons? Cat/human hybrid furrie mobs? you betcha.

Mikeha · March 2010

Pretty much has no idea what he is talking about. Bad track record? Look up the Top 5 Pay to play mmos out and you will see what I mean. Of course World Of Warcraft is #1 but guess who holds the 2, 3 and 4 spot? United States is not the only country on earth and its the smallest when it comes to the mmo market.

Electriceye · March 2010

Originally posted by garyleven

1). You only get to use wings in limited areas.

That's a reason why it's one to miss? If you know the reasons why it's like that you'd understand (i think). I'm not going to bother replying in details to such a bland thread though.

2). This game is a grind trust me.

A grind is always what you make of it. Diversify your game-play options and don't have insta-lvl50 as your one and only goal. Players make their own hell.

3). The content is poor especially endgame.

Leveling content is good enough for one play through, save for a couple of levels. Endgame content is there but could be better. v2.0 in a few months is addressing this.

4). The PVP system has no real thought put into it.

It does have its problems, but I have no idea what you're talking about, and I doubt you do as well.

5). The track record of this company is poor.
Not a relevant reason.

6). The community is very weak and losing players all the time.

Community, by my experience, is pretty decent and mature for the most part. It may be losing players slowly, but that's true for all AAA MMOs except for 2.

7). Servers are very laggy at times, can make play difficult.
A general MMO problem.

8). To many bots in the game.
Wrong.

9). Far to many gold farmers.
Wrong.

10). Theres better mmo's out there.
In your opinion.

Sorry for not replying in detail, but I don't think any of those "reasons" deserve it.

Pelaaja · March 2010

Originally posted by garyleven

1). You only get to use wings in limited areas.

2). This game is a grind trust me.

3). The content is poor especially endgame.

4). The PVP system has no real thought put into it.

5). The track record of this company is poor.

6). The community is very weak and losing players all the time.

7). Servers are very laggy at times, can make play difficult.

8). To many bots in the game.

9). Far to many gold farmers.

10). Theres better mmo's out there.

1. Because of the reason. It was changed during beta and if you had played the game you would understand why.

2. It is, like any MMO if you make it one. You don't get instant gratication that's for sure, but if you have any friends to play with it really isn't a grind.

3. Depending on what you describe as a content. This has been discussed all over again in various MMO forums, but there is content in the "end-game" (undefinded variable, depending on personal preference). If you're looking for more details, please post again and I'll explain you.

4. True. If you compare it to like WAR had, it's really poor thought of. There's killing and that's it.

5. You're not talking the truth. And it's irrelevant according to the game at hand.

6. Community isn't weak. It's strong in Aionsource. Official forums are a joke, but the community is there.

7. Servers are the most stable I've met since LoTRO. EU here, mind you. If you're meeting instability, sue your ISP or try adding TcpAckFrequency=1 to your NIC registry.

8. Again, not true. It was for the first 3 Mo after release, but not anymore. You're behind, update your arguments please.

9. Refer to my answer 8. You're not really convincing here.

10. Personal preference nullified by not expressing personal preference. I believe there's nothing more to 'cuss about this one?

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MavisP · March 2010

Aion isnt a bad game. What I saw in beta showed me it was pretty much the same as a few other games I already owned so I took a pass on it. Some people like the game and some people really need to give it a rest, after all, I thought STO was the newest whipping boy in the stable. Move on with the hatred, Aion is yesterdays news.

Bagguns · March 2010

Originally posted by garyleven

1). You only get to use wings in limited areas.

2). This game is a grind trust me.

3). The content is poor especially endgame.

4). The PVP system has no real thought put into it.

5). The track record of this company is poor.

6). The community is very weak and losing players all the time.

7). Servers are very laggy at times, can make play difficult.

8). To many bots in the game.

9). Far to many gold farmers.

10). Theres better mmo's out there.

If you haven't noticed, pretty much any mmo is a grind. Really almost all games are a grind.

The question is whether or not your having fun while grinding.

EricDanie · March 2010

Originally posted by garyleven

1). You only get to use wings in limited areas.

2). This game is a grind trust me.

3). The content is poor especially endgame.

4). The PVP system has no real thought put into it.

5). The track record of this company is poor.

6). The community is very weak and losing players all the time.

7). Servers are very laggy at times, can make play difficult.

8). To many bots in the game.

9). Far to many gold farmers.

10). Theres better mmo's out there.

1. So? It's not like they promoted you would be flying everywhere all the time or there is no explanation for that. It's their choice, there is content for flying and not flying, the good part is that it isn't a means of transportation but a whole new axis for tactics to combat.

2. What is a grind? Killing mobs is a grind, but making fedex quests or kill X mobs quests aren't? Heh. This is way too subjective on how you enjoy combat, but any progression system can be considered a grind, welcome to the RPG genre.

3. Guess what, every MMO is like that, if you dedicate enough time in it you'll hit the end game ceiling. I'm pretty sure you haven't acquired all of the best gear available to complain about the lack of endgame though, and I'm pretty sure you haven't dominated the PvP ranking AND the guilds ranking to complain about it either.

4. This complaint has no real thought put into it. There are PvP rewards, PvP death penalties, PvP capture points, PvP invasions on enemy areas regulated by the rifts, PvP rankings, etc.

5. Poor? So Guild Wars and Lineage 2 are horrible games? Oh wait... but hey, feel free to nitpick bad things and consider it the norm.

6. Can't comment on this one. as I'm not currently active. Can you?

7. When my subscription was active I don't remember lagging badly or often enough to complain about it (welcome to the internet), they even fixed the cryengine.dll error when the game exceeded the 2 GB cap that made fortress sieges a nightmare.

8 & 9. Are you stuck in time at the first month of the game? Because the situation changed. Want to complain about queues too?

10. This is way too subjective to be a valid reason. It's like saying this is not the best MMO ever so you shouldn't play it, if such a MMO existed we'd all be playing it and no one would bother making another one, because no one would play it.

Xondar123 · March 2010

Originally posted by Mannish

Pretty much has no idea what he is talking about. Bad track record? Look up the Top 5 Pay to play mmos out and you will see what I mean. Of course World Of Warcraft is #1 but guess who holds the 2, 3 and 4 spot? United States is not the only country on earth and its the smallest when it comes to the mmo market.

Actually, I bet that Canada (pop. 34 mil.) or France (pop. 65 mil.) have far smaller MMO markets than the United States (pop. 308 mil.)

Sovrath · March 2010

Originally posted by crunchyblack

Originally posted by garyleven

1). You only get to use wings in limited areas.

2). This game is a grind trust me.

3). The content is poor especially endgame.

4). The PVP system has no real thought put into it.

5). The track record of this company is poor.

6). The community is very weak and losing players all the time.

7). Servers are very laggy at times, can make play difficult.

8). To many bots in the game.

9). Far to many gold farmers.

10). Theres better mmo's out there.

Pretty much nailed it.

The graphics were not that impressive, vanguard and aoc both blow aion away.

The game engin doesnt allow for swimming (stand on the bottom of the lake and drown) it crashes a lot (especially on high end rigs).

The fort seiges were unplayable they were so laggy and crash prone. Which caused death and seperation from your raid (have fun getting back in the chaos)

The game IS a grind. Not as bad as some games, but youll know it by level 20.

What theres one end game raid boss? And you have to fight for him against the other faction in a zerg vs zerg fest?

In your face botting/farming/spam/cheating....even the GM's spam.

The flying is great when latency is high during mass pvp events, causing you to land and drop your wings on an abyss shard, only to be rubber banded back into the sky with no wings for an instant fall death. Flying in this game is a joke.

Abyss is soooo small as a play feild and so boring looking.

Not the worst game in the world, but there are lots of better games out there.

Aion...an epic waste of what could have been a really badass angels/demon faction vs faction pvp game. Why did they go the cutsie/metro look instead of badass looking archangles and cool looking demons? Cat/human hybrid furrie mobs? you betcha.

The graphics were not that impressive, vanguard and aoc both blow aion away.

You are aware that they made the game so that it could run on a variety of machines as opposed to more high end machines? If you are talking art design then Aion blows Vanguard Avatars out of the water. I will say that I prefer the open world of Vanguard though some parts are hit and miss. AoC has great art design and graphics but if one doesn't like the gritty world of Conan then it is a non-factor.

The game engin doesnt allow for swimming (stand on the bottom of the lake and drown) it crashes a lot (especially on high end rigs).

Kindly tell me where you would like to swim as there really aren't any significant bodies of water. It would be a complete waste to swim in the areas where Aion does have water.

The game IS a grind. Not as bad as some games, but youll know it by level 20.

Can't accept the grind by lvl 20 argument. Not where there were games where you would take a week to get to 20. As it stands now you can get to lvl 10 in about 3 hours. A good many of my higher levels were gotten in a day and I and my legion mate made half way to lvl 46 (from 45) in a day.

What theres one end game raid boss? And you have to fight for him against the other faction in a zerg vs zerg fest?

Granted Aion is not a full pvp game but fighting over a boss is not unknown in pvp games. There are also larger boss mobs that roam the lands that are completely pve.

In your face botting/farming/spam/cheating....even the GM's spam.

I believe most will tell you that the gold spam has all but ceased. Aion has as much botting as any other game. The "spam" you are getting from the gm's, though a tad bit much, are warnings not to go to non-aion sites that are advertised as they may have key loggers. More than likely players are going there anyways getting keyloggers and their accounts hacked and then NC needs to spend time and energy dealing with that. Perhaps if people thought a bit they might bypass some of those things.

I haven't had any problems with flying so I have no complaints there. Then again I have a decent machine so it doesn't quite lock up during some sieges. Still, I recognize I will have to get a better system with larger sieges.

In any case please tell us what you consider better games as that will supply a point of reference to where you are coming from.

Aion...an epic waste of what could have been a really badass angels/demon faction vs faction pvp game. Why did they go the cutsie/metro look instead of badass looking archangles and cool looking demons? Cat/human hybrid furrie mobs? you betcha.

It's not Angels and Demons.

Vesavius · March 2010

Originally posted by garyleven

1). You only get to use wings in limited areas.
Well, yes this is true, but not a game breaker for me. I love the true flight in games like Vanguard, but Aion's use of limted flight isnt a bad thing.

2). This game is a grind trust me.
Yes, after 42 this game IS a grind, no question. Whether thats a good or bad thing is a matter of opinion though. Me? I don't mind grinding too much in a fun chatty group

3). The content is poor especially endgame.
Yeah, for sure, the content *is* poor and extremely limited. You might just squeeze one play through from it, counting grind into that, and thats it. The quest chain is very linear, the area's very limted in variety and scope, and the mobs unspectacular and repetive. It dosent help that the opposite faction's quests are essentially carbon copies either.

4). The PVP system has no real thought put into it.
Agree here as well. This game is just an excercise in zerg war and 'gank me, gank you', with a 40minute average fly around time looking for action.

5). The track record of this company is poor.
I don't know much about this... the only other NCS game I played to any great extent was CoH and I kinda enjoyed that and never had any issues.
The way that NCS have handled Aion's cash shop event cash shop and the monetizing of even their official website info, after launching this as a sub only game, has made me never want to look at this company again though. I have gone on about that elsewhere though so wont repeat it all here. Lets just accept I loathe nickel and dime money grubbers who half half a product and a full shop of MT.

6). The community is very weak and losing players all the time.
My server (kahrun) was one of the later ones with one of the lowest pop, but yeah it was noticably dropping in the weeks before I left. In the time before i quit finally I tried a new alt in a desperate attempt to respark my passion for Aion and I was alone (+3 bots) in the newbie zone... Not a great sign for the future, and certainly not a great sign that new players were starting or even that vets were levelling alts.

7). Servers are very laggy at times, can make play difficult.
This was never an issue for me. In the early days i had fort issues, but those were fixed and the rest of the game was smooth.

8). To many bots in the game.

9). Far to many gold farmers.
Well, these are kinda the same thing... Not sure of the current state of these either, so i wont comment too much past saying that NCS had cured the chat spam selling by the time I quit, even though bots and private vendor billboards were still doing fine fine business outside banks etc in towns at that time.

10). Theres better mmo's out there.
Well, this is subjective opinion, but one I agree with. I am playing AoC right again right now, having a blast, and would say it is for sure a better mmorpg in my eyes.

Vesavius · March 2010

Originally posted by Sovrath

The graphics were not that impressive, vanguard and aoc both blow aion away.
You are aware that they made the game so that it could run on a variety of machines as opposed to more high end machines? If you are talking art design then Aion blows Vanguard Avatars out of the water. I will say that I prefer the open world of Vanguard though some parts are hit and miss. AoC has great art design and graphics but if one doesn't like the gritty world of Conan then it is a non-factor.
I agree that Aion has better models then VG, no debate tbh, but the environmentals in AoC and VG both destroy Aion's imo.
I am playing AoC again since I left Aion and I have to say i don't miss feeling like a supermodel convention on the way to a nightclub when I get into a group... or even the ballerina fighting styles lol. This is all just a matter of taste though I admit
The game engin doesnt allow for swimming (stand on the bottom of the lake and drown) it crashes a lot (especially on high end rigs).
Kindly tell me where you would like to swim as there really aren't any significant bodies of water. It would be a complete waste to swim in the areas where Aion does have water.
Well, maybe they didnt put significant bodies of water in *because* they didnt have swimming eh?:P
If NCS didnt agree that swimming was a missing element I doubt they would be looking to put it into the game int he future (Vision). Until then it is just another element of a standard AAA mmotpg that Aion dosent have.
The game IS a grind. Not as bad as some games, but youll know it by level 20.
Can't accept the grind by lvl 20 argument. Not where there were games where you would take a week to get to 20. As it stands now you can get to lvl 10 in about 3 hours. A good many of my higher levels were gotten in a day and I and my legion mate made half way to lvl 46 (from 45) in a day.
I think that the grind starts to kick in from 42+, though if you have a steady group or a desirableclass you can do it pretty quickly tbh. It only really starts to bite badly at the end game imo.

Sovrath · March 2010

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by Sovrath

The graphics were not that impressive, vanguard and aoc both blow aion away.
You are aware that they made the game so that it could run on a variety of machines as opposed to more high end machines? If you are talking art design then Aion blows Vanguard Avatars out of the water. I will say that I prefer the open world of Vanguard though some parts are hit and miss. AoC has great art design and graphics but if one doesn't like the gritty world of Conan then it is a non-factor.
I agree that Aion has better models then VG, no debate tbh, but the environmentals in AoC and VG both destroy Aion's imo.
I am playing AoC again since I left Aion and I have to say i don't miss feeling like a supermodel convention on the way to a nightclub when I get into a group... or even the ballerina fighting styles lol. This is all just a matter of taste though I admit
The game engin doesnt allow for swimming (stand on the bottom of the lake and drown) it crashes a lot (especially on high end rigs).
Kindly tell me where you would like to swim as there really aren't any significant bodies of water. It would be a complete waste to swim in the areas where Aion does have water.
Well, maybe they didnt put significant bodies of water in *because* they didnt have swimming eh?:P
If NCS didnt agree that swimming was a missing element I doubt they would be looking to put it into the game int he future (Vision). Until then it is just another element of a standard AAA mmotpg that Aion dosent have.
The game IS a grind. Not as bad as some games, but youll know it by level 20.
Can't accept the grind by lvl 20 argument. Not where there were games where you would take a week to get to 20. As it stands now you can get to lvl 10 in about 3 hours. A good many of my higher levels were gotten in a day and I and my legion mate made half way to lvl 46 (from 45) in a day.
I think that the grind starts to kick in from 42+, though if you have a steady group or a desirableclass you can do it pretty quickly tbh. It only really starts to bite badly at the end game imo.

That's sort of a tough one for me.

I would say Aion's world is very "deliberate" and premeditated". I know, I know... hard words to really apply to a game world but what I mean is that it feels less like a real world and more like "here is the snowy area, here is the lava area, here is the desert area and every inch of these areas is accounted for".

Vanguard has a far superior world in my opinion. Now, i now "lore wise" Aion is part of a destroyed world so one could use the excuse that it is small because it is fragmented. But it doesn't really feel fragmented until one actually goes into the abyss. Conan's world is beautiful but from what I've experienced it suffers from the same thing that Aion does, a path that winds around. Now, I know they are adding more open areas in the x-pac so perhaps that will be addressed. I imagine Aion has this same "path" thing in order for players to experience more pvp. Less hiding. But that's only a guess. I think there are some gorgeous areas in Aion's world but it does very much feel like it was created for a certain experience. At least for me.

I wouldn't doubt that they didn't add water areas because they didn't have swimming. But to that end there reall isn't any area in the game at the moment that requires swimming. I do know they are going to be adding it. But as a similar example, LOTRO does not have diving. You can swim but you can't go under water. And that is because they have nothing for you to do under water. Given all the work it takes for these games it seems that devs are loathe to add anything unless they can really justify it more than "it would be neat if I could swim".

As far as the grind goes I am not lying when I said that I am halfway through 45 in one day. I just can't justify that these levels are grinds because of that. Now, my computer has died and I'm trying to get it set up again so I have not levelled farther than that. Still struggling to get the OS updated and the bios and all that stuff. But when someone says that lvl 20 is a grind it just blows my mind.

Anabantha · March 2010

I feel sorry for the people that actually leveled all the way to 50 only to find out the game sucks goat testies. and i doubt they enjoyed the jouney there

crunchyblack · March 2010

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by crunchyblack

Originally posted by garyleven

1). You only get to use wings in limited areas.

2). This game is a grind trust me.

3). The content is poor especially endgame.

4). The PVP system has no real thought put into it.

5). The track record of this company is poor.

6). The community is very weak and losing players all the time.

7). Servers are very laggy at times, can make play difficult.

8). To many bots in the game.

9). Far to many gold farmers.

10). Theres better mmo's out there.