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Why are there so many people defending Cryptic on the official forums?
Kryogenic
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(Edit) Why are there so many people defending Cryptic on the official forum?(Edit)
They also rush to defend every aspect of the game like it's some golden standard that all MMORPGs should follow.
If Cryptic's business practices and STOs game play become the norm, I'm definitely done with MMORPGs.
Am I not seeing something properly?
Am I missing something?
Maybe there's an aspect to this whole fiasco that I've missed that will put things into perspective for me and turn me into one of those raving lunatics. I want to like the game. I like most aspects of the actual game play mechanics, but there are some serious issues that just turn me away: the heavy instancing, the horrible community, the lack of social aspects inherent in the game play itself, Cryptic's business practices, the way they handle Champions, and the poor quality of communication and regard for player feedback, not to mention the rush job they did with the game.
Why did they end up with the game and not the other company? What happened?
What happened to Cryptic? I swear they didn't seem to treat their game or customer base like this when they only had City of Heroes. Maybe I'm looking at that stuff with rose-colored glasses.
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Perpetual entertainment bailed, got sued, and closed down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_Entertainment
Every game has its faithfuls...
it will never change... they will stick by the game no matter how bad its condition in HOPES that it will get better.
its mainly the IP... STAR TREK... its what can keep a bad game alive.
Why do you care? You are being hypocritical yourself in that you are in the group that feel as tho Cryptic has done some evil and need to post about it everywhere. Who cares! It's a game not a necessity. Buy it if you want to play it; if you don't want to play, don't buy. Simple as that.
^This^
That's really all it boils down to, some people enjoy things others do not. It's really no big mystery, hell there are some people who like the worst games ever released (score wise). That's just the way the cookie crumbles.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I've come to the conclusion that there are plenty of people that want games to be made 'just for them'. And as long as they are happy everyone else can go %$&* themselves. Typically this is a very vocal minority who will lie, cheat and insult in an attempt to silence any criticism of their beloved games.
To be fair this behavior can be seen by both people who like or dislike a game. There's no behavior that's exclusive to one side of the fence, there are those who think like you said who support a game, there are also those who feel if a game is not for them it should be for no one. There's no difference at all between the two.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Yep cryptic, funcom etc are among the worst game makers out there..but some people like it...there are so many people..and they are so different and have so many different tastes...but in general noone can disagree that cryptic games are among the poorest games , in concept, content, gameplay etc...and note i sayd games from cryptic..not mmos from cryptic...brcause thay dont make mmos...they make co-op games.
In case you haven't noticed it's pretty much the same with every MMO that comes out these days.
People have opposing points of view. Most just go and do their own thing.
Some people are so intolerant of others opinions they feel the need to spew hate and derision anywhere and everywhere they can get away with it.
Pretty sad really.
Most people's feelings about a game are opinionated regardless of how many people agree or disagree. There are always going to be two sides to the coin. There will always be people out there who have a game/company and people who enjoy the products they make. I play CO and STO. Does that mean I defend because I play them? No. Are they the greatest games ever made? No. Do I agree with Cryptic's business practices? Depends on the situation. They plan on charging people for the expansion content they are working on for CO. But they state that it won't be the usual price of an expansion pack. I'll hold my judgment if it's worth it when I see it.
Cryptic has to have a C-Store and charge for some things because it offered lifetime subs. They still have to find a way to make money to support their developmental staff. Not the best way I would have done it personally but I can see where they're coming from as well as where the gamers are coming from. If your quarrel is with the game in it's fresh released state then I don't think you've played MMO's long enough. Every game has sucked upon release. It's the way it is because of server latency because players get that new game taste in their mouths. Then there are the bugs that pop up due to the latency. It's become a general rule of thumb that the first 6 months of a game's life will be the hardest, how it is at 6 months is the question. CO isn't even 6 months old yet.
I just wanted to reply as a player from those communities so you understand that not all of us feel that Cryptic is a god among developers or think that "OMG it's Star Trek it's awesome." But we do enjoy the games and can see the potential in them and think they are good enough for our money. If you think it sucks then that's your opinion and you don't have to play. I just don't understand why people are beating a dead horse with this same argument over and over in hopes that their tiny onions will somehow make the game shut down because some people don't like or are afraid to see it succeed. And to be honest, the more mature gaming community view the mmorpg.com forums as just rants and raves of wow-kiddies and SWG pre-NGE haters. As a source of news it's fine but the forums are just laughable these days. I'm not saying that the OP falls into those categories it's just a lot of serious gamers don't really pay any heed to what's written on the forums.
But summed up...Cryptic does a decent job in my opinion. I enjoy them. I don't think they're golden at all but at least decent enough to keep me playing. I see the potential as do a lot of others. If you really don't like the game then don't play. And to the people who are curious of them, go to the official websites and forums or request a buddy key. I have never been one to force a game or opinion on someone. I have always pointed my friends in the direction, say try it and see what you think. People who truly want to try a game will regardless of the hater rants.
Why have you an issue with those that find cryptic have given them a game they enjoy?
Surely those that enjoy the game have as much rights as those that despise the game and with it the game makers?
Now by all means bemoan the state of MMO's but labelling those that are defending a game they enjoy as "Fools" is really beyond comprehension.
I don't think you can blame one guy for what's failed in a given game. We saw the same thing during AOC, and the same thing during WAR. WE always see it with SOE. Whether it's Smedly, Roper, Molyneux, Godager etc.... People place so much blame on these guys while not really looking at the bigger picture,Their Job is to see that their teams are meeting deadlines, and remaining on schedule while staying on target (within scope). They may fail at times, however who is at fault the guys meeting deadlines or those setting them?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
IMHO It's because they love their cryptic game they're playing at the time and they can't see past that to have a neutral conversation about the company as a whole. They use bad excuses like "they're a company trying to make money". Well shit dude i'm a man trying to make money, but i'm not charging people twice for a product. You might as well be asking someone if you can pick their pockets after they pay for something. Don't get me wrong I think they make decent games that are fun, but they're a greedy whore of a MMO developer and it's eventually going to bite them and all of their MMOs are going to become very niche MMOs. Especially when DCUO, FFXIV, and the new 38 studios (Copernicus) MMO comes out. Besides star trek is already becoming a niche MMO, iv'e never seen so many people flooding out of an MMO so quickly, some guy even made a guide on how to get your money back for the game on this site. Thats bad!
You do realize funcom has put out more than just AOC don't you? I don't think I would compare Funcom to Cryptic, not only because I feel AOC is a better game than any Cryptic has put out, but because they have put out some titles that were viewed as hits. Even AO over the years turned into a deep engaging game, cryptics major flaw is they follow the same formula with every title, Funcom is nothing like that. They tend to have very good ideas, they fail in executing them at times though. Call me a fanboi or what ever you feel is appropriate, won't change my opinion.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Why are there so many people attacking Cryptic? You could ask the same question. You think you're "right"? You think you're "doing good"? Fine. But if you can't realize that people who are defending Cryptic think the same thing, you're blind. Why are there so many people defending Cryptic? Because there are just as many (or more) people attacking it.
Bill Roper isnt just one who sets deadlines and makes sure everyone is on the same page, he has injected his agenda into multiple project's business model and also tries desperately to play the role of creative producer as well as executive. His theories on how to deal with games has turned out to be a complete failure. I personally like Valve's approach, everyone is equal in the company and has equal say in the products.
I'll tell you why. Because he feels superior in thinking he knows what others do not, in his eyes. He is unable to understand why someone would like the game, have no issue with the company and willingly spend money on it.
People are defending what they enjoy and are not cynical and negative nanices crying and whining over every little issue? yeah they must be such fools.
OP you need to go out more and live in real world for few days.
Is it possible that the most vehement pro-Cryptic posters are employees of the company? I've seen that occur in other MMOs, usually it's accompanied with forum mods that censor negative comments (against the game, company or mods censorship). I haven't actively read the STO forums lately so I'm not sure what the OP is referring to specifically, I'm just asking if this might be the case?
Maybe its just that some people have a duifferent opinion of the game then you?? Nah couldn't be. hehe you really should read some of the recent articals here on MMORPG.com they have you in a classifaction in one artical
They defend it because they know how Cryptic can really be. Like an alcoholic or a drug addict, they act mean when they do not have what they need, so you back them up and try to fix the problem even as it gets worse. You know how they are when they do not have what their body (MMO industry) needs. When they are themselves, until then us followers who know the true side of them, wait until they get back from rehabilitation
Pepsi1028
PEPSI!!!!!
Get out of your box already...
Well at least you admit you are poorly informed, and haven't even bothered to find the answers to your quests which would be really simple if you'd followed the game, or even just did seearches here, or googlled. Sorry but if you can't be bothered to do even that small amount of research on what your posting then i'm afraid your opinion means very little.
Not meaning to attack the OP, I just get tired of people starting threads on something they seem to know so little about. You know the whole favor of the week posts.
You are the perfect example of a close minded person. Must be so hard to accept that different people have different tastes and not everyone is going to enjoy what you like and agree with you. I have no problem with difference of opinion but i hate stereotypes where all those who enjoy STO are either paid by Cryptic, deluisonal fanboys or MMO addicts who know nothing better.
Way to be arrogant and self righteous.
I don't know about you but most of the threads and replies I read on the official forums are extremely negative. For every one person defending the game (usually just me) there's 10 people that hate it with a passion.
As for the business practices, here let me defend them for you just to drive you nuts. Although Cryptic is more obvious than most companies about trying to grab as much money from players as possible, I don't think anything they do could be described as nefarious or not transparent.
I'm curious as to the number of MMO's the OP has played. Or betas for that matter. I have played so many games and so many betas that I can't sit down and say "X" game is the greatest ever. I've seen too many flaws and changes made to the original recipe to say that. There are always a good number of people defending their game regardless of what others may think. And to the people who say that "it's a known fact and should be treated as such." You obviously can't see two sides of the same coin. 2,000 people can say a game sucks and you think it's fact and should be listened. Well, and equal number of 2,000 people will say the game is good for them. But for some reason because you feel the need to bash a game you can't view their 2,000 positives as fact because you would rather view your 2,000 negatives as fact even though it would be the same number of people regardless of opinion. And honestly, unless you're willing to shell out the $400 for the commercial copy of a game's quarterly report then I doubt you have solid facts outside of you and a bunch of others hate a game and think that the equally large crowd of "lovers" are just a bunch of fools. If that isn't a narrow-minded way of thinking I don't know what is.
Funny how the shill defense was just discussed in a feature a little bit ago...
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People will enjoy what they enjoy. I know me and some friends all got it really just because it was Star Trek. And a few of us had even played Champions. But Trek isn't that awful. Ya, it's got problems, ya the sharded world feels kinda funny.
But they have an interesting storyline imho, and I was a fan of PotBS, so I'm cool with space-submarines, and still in comparison to PotBS, the ground game is 1000x better than that. Still needs work, but its in a workable state as-is, and overall good enough to get my purchase-price worth of game time in.
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