I knew the name would get it big sales but that's going to drop off fast. The game is just bad. Very bad. The very foundation is flawed. And I really, really want to like this game. And I love star trek. LOVE! I love MMO's and have been playing them since the realm came out in the mid 90's. But this has to be one of my all time worst MMO's that I have played.
I agree the game is rushed, but it's good enough for a month or two. Hell i paid more for Mass Effect at one time so i'll ride my free month or so.
This is a well made Trek game, which have, in the past, been notoriously bad, with a few notable exceptions. I think to avoid the problems even Aion made they need at least 2 significant patches over the next month or two. This is very doable. In the MMO market place every company has to deal with the WoW mentality, that is to say that it needs to somehow overcome the mentality that WoW is considered the best(quite erroneously in my opinion, but this is because when I look at MMOs I look for certain features) and that everyone plays that because their friend is. Cryptic has a great franchise to work with and hopefully they will be able to deliver, especially to the Trekkies who will be quick to complain about anything they find to be an issue, as has happened with Trek games in the past. If they can hold on to the Trekkies, they have a significant subscriber base right there.
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Misleading information is hardly a real news article. You should atleast address the fact its not actual accounts but registered Forum Accounts. You don't even need to own STO or have been part of the beta to have a Registered Forum account with Cryptic.
You simply regurtitated bad information without even looking into the entire matter. I'm starting to wonder if any research is done at all before these news articles are brought up.
Typical sandbox apologists, take any positive news and start Crying over it.
Let me give you some hard numbers from just gamestop corperate, keep in mind this isn't including Walmart, FYE Best-Buy, Go-Gamer, or Amazon. etc etc etc
Total pre orders 185,653
Total units sold as of 02/03/10 221,965
That's directly off the GS terminal, so while No there may not be a 1 million active subs you can pretty much bet your ass it's close to a half mil active subs, and considering that Cryptic is buying even more servers again...a crap load of folks are playing the game, will they be playing next month? who knows, but as of point now the game is doing way wy better than cryptic hoped,. No it's not the fucking Paris Hilton of MMO's like WoW is...but you have to give Cryptic props for getting this far.
Typical sandbox apologists, take any positive news and start Crying over it. Let me give you some hard numbers from just gamestop corperate, keep in mind this isn't including Walmart, FYE Best-Buy, Go-Gamer, or Amazon. etc etc etc Total pre orders 185,653 Total units sold as of 02/03/10 221,965 That's directly off the GS terminal, so while No there may not be a 1 million active subs you can pretty much bet your ass it's close to a half mil active subs, and considering that Cryptic is buying even more servers again...a crap load of folks are playing the game, will they be playing next month? who knows, but as of point now the game is doing way wy better than cryptic hoped,. No it's not the fucking Paris Hilton of MMO's like WoW is...but you have to give Cryptic props for getting this far.
See once again misleading information. There aren't ANY subs other than lifetime subscribers. Subscriptions other than the lifetime don't take place until after the first 30 days. Thats when numbers actually becoming more reasonable. If they have 500,000 actual subscriptions in 30 days I'll be surprised. I wont be happy or sad just surprised. I'm estimating they'll probably get a healthy amount but a million? Hardly...because right now that 1 million registered accounts counts MY account and I did not buy the game and won't either. I thought other than the ship combat which was good the rest of the game was terrible.
Hell they've not even announced how many or a rounda bout number of Lifetime Subs they have because people can still cancel their lifetime subscriptions and some already have.
Its marketing hype.
btw there's no way in hell i'd ever give Cryptic Props especially with the way they've treated Champions online like a red head step child, left parts of the game unplayable for nearly 12 days, the servers are constantly having problems etc all so they can baby frigging STO. WE're paying for our game already yet recieving crap since our money is obviously funding STO's hype machine.
Sand box or not I wouldn't touch another Cryptic game. Personally I like theme parks a tad more than Sandbox so calling all of us sandbox lovers is just ridiculous.
Typical sandbox apologists, take any positive news and start Crying over it. Let me give you some hard numbers from just gamestop corperate, keep in mind this isn't including Walmart, FYE Best-Buy, Go-Gamer, or Amazon. etc etc etc Total pre orders 185,653 Total units sold as of 02/03/10 221,965 That's directly off the GS terminal, so while No there may not be a 1 million active subs you can pretty much bet your ass it's close to a half mil active subs, and considering that Cryptic is buying even more servers again...a crap load of folks are playing the game, will they be playing next month? who knows, but as of point now the game is doing way wy better than cryptic hoped,. No it's not the fucking Paris Hilton of MMO's like WoW is...but you have to give Cryptic props for getting this far.
Underlined part is where you made the point for those so called 'sandbox apologists'. Thats funny tbh.
While I wish the game well and hope it succeeds, it's hard to look at something so consciously misleading and not leave with a bad feeling about the company and the game.
Spin like that will lead a discriminating reader wondering "what the hell is wrong with the game that they need to get so desperate for any sort of press so fast?"
The kind of folks likely to read this press release are likely to be savvy enough to figure out the chicanery. So why do it?
I tried the late open beta, it was painfully horrid ruiniation of Star Trek. It should have been something decent with politics, exploration, scientific discovery, diplomacy, open space, clean air...etc
But what is it?
Pretty Uniforms, a character creator that allows you to look like a complete mongo, an instanced mess...
I was in closed beta from about the half way mark...
I love the Star Trek universe... LOVE it... and I really wanted STO to be awesome.... but it really left me feeling flat. I dunno, but it just didn't feel like Star Trek. The "episode" idea sounded really cool, and I was really looking forward to it, but that didn't really play out as I expected/hoped it would.
So I bowed out and waited until Open Beta to see if the game had improved. To my dismay, all that had really changed was the UI, and a few combat things. *sigh*
One of things that irked me was the lack of death penalty. Cryptic says they are aiming at the casual gamer... so I think that is all they will get... I don't believe many people will stay for the long term, as it just doesn't generate the excitement needed during combat to feel like you've overcome all odds and won, for example. Instead, if you fail, oh well, lets try again after a 15 second penalty ... meh.
Anyway, if you haven't tried it yet and will be soon, I sincerely hope you do like it.... if the baby fails, I can't see any chance for another ST MMO again any time soon...
Personally I think it is a well made game. Granted there are problems, but those will be ironed out as it goes. I give Cryptic credit for doing so well with a difficult franchise. My least favorite part is how they handled the ship combat. Feels too simple to me. It would be a great improvement if they gave the option to use a bridge view for combat and communication in addition to the space view. For me this would make it more authentically Trek. I did enjoy away missions. These are very authentic to the franchise, though I would like to see a better interface for selecting your away team. While I am more forgiving than most Trekkies, I do see a bit of potential here if Cryptic will do the upgrades needed to make it a great game. Btw, not everyone enjoys WoW style games, but I will admit that Star Trek Online does offer a perfect balance of dungeon raid and story driven quests. I also enjoyed grouping for the first time in any MMO. This game is perfect for those who love group play and group play is even enjoyable for those of us who hate it, since it allows you to be more independent than most group play has been in other games.
Originally posted by banthis See once again misleading information. There aren't ANY subs other than lifetime subscribers.
I don't think it's misleading information when everyone is stating they know it's not the number of active subscribers, but the registered accounts, just like they said in the article. And yes I said subscribers. They still count as subs even if it's free, you do have to cancel the account before the 30 days is up or else you will be charged for an additional month of service. Although, to get an accurate amount of subscribers we will have to wait till the free 30 days are up.
I tried the late open beta, it was painfully horrid ruiniation of Star Trek. It should have been something decent with politics, exploration, scientific discovery, diplomacy, open space, clean air...etc
But what is it?
Pretty Uniforms, a character creator that allows you to look like a complete mongo, an instanced mess...
Oh well, guess I'm old and too intellegent :P :P
No exploration? Do tell
Last I checked quests that send you to an area to do something is not exploration. Exploration is the freedom to go and explore without anyone holding your hand pointing you in the direction to look. The very fact they had the ability at one point to 'turn off' exploration as some defenders put it just makes it a laughable version of "go here do this and come back" oh look you discovered something by doing this gasp! Thats not exploration.
Exploration is going out and discovering things simply by trial and error or pure curiousity instead of someone telling you where to go.
Originally posted by banthis See once again misleading information. There aren't ANY subs other than lifetime subscribers.
I don't think it's misleading information when everyone is stating they know it's not the number of active subscribers, but the registered accounts, just like they said in the article. And yes I said subscribers. They still count as subs even if it's free, you do have to cancel the account before the 30 days is up or else you will be charged for an additional month of service. Although, to get an accurate amount of subscribers we will have to wait till the free 30 days are up.
It is misleading the very title of this thread is leading it doesnt' say registered forum accounts. Sure some of us know the difference but there are plenty of fanbois / defenders / innocents out there going WOW thats alot of people.
Sorry NO one counts Subs until after the 30 days since no subscription money exchanges hands until after that 30 days regardless of people signing up to use their initial free 30 days. I stand by my statement there are no subs other than lifetime subs currently active.
I tried the late open beta, it was painfully horrid ruiniation of Star Trek. It should have been something decent with politics, exploration, scientific discovery, diplomacy, open space, clean air...etc
But what is it?
Pretty Uniforms, a character creator that allows you to look like a complete mongo, an instanced mess...
Oh well, guess I'm old and too intellegent :P :P
No exploration? Do tell
Last I checked quests that send you to an area to do something is not exploration. Exploration is the freedom to go and explore without anyone holding your hand pointing you in the direction to look. The very fact they had the ability at one point to 'turn off' exploration as some defenders put it just makes it a laughable version of "go here do this and come back" oh look you discovered something by doing this gasp! Thats not exploration.
Exploration is going out and discovering things simply by trial and error or pure curiousity instead of someone telling you where to go.
yes i went to a sector of space with no preset quests and explored anonomies which sent me to a new instance.
Seriously what do you want, you start in a enmpy version of Sector Black and go into sub systems that are random scanner quests. That's by defination exploriong unknown space. its not some "unknow sector" in sector black it's a ENTIRE UNEXPORED ZONE
Originally posted by banthis Exploration is going out and discovering things simply by trial and error or pure curiousity instead of someone telling you where to go.
I wonder about 1 Million. LOTRO has claim to 4 Million, however you would be lucky if 500K were playing.
Now I know tons of folks signed up on the furoms hoping to get a beta invite. I don't believe for one moment there are 1 million folks playing STO. I played open beta and 1 Mill would have shut that puppy down. Heck you could barly get 300 in sol systemberfore it would crash and drop dead.
So I have to ask how many of these forum accounts were folks trying to get in on beta. I know I have over 50 different ones going to 10 different email accounts, and the only way I got in was through ten ton hammer giving out free keys.
So yes I dont belive those numbres.
Oh and I got to wonder how many of these went lifetime, how many are actually going to stay after the first 30 days of free game play.
As others have noted this is _not_ the number of ingame accounts, it is not even the number of website accounts specifically for STO. From the original press release on the subject :
Highly Anticipated MMO for PC Releases with Over 1 Million Cryptic Accounts Created New York, NY (February 2, 2010) – Atari, SA, one of the world’s most recognized videogame publishers, and acclaimed developer Cryptic Studios™, are proud to announce that the bold new PC MMO, Star Trek Online, is available today in North America and throughout the week in worldwide territories. Already, over 1 million Star Trek fans have created accounts at the official websites.
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That was the consensus of the 12 page thread on this topic yesterday, but I guess the MMORPG editors needed a news bite for today.
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I agree the game is rushed, but it's good enough for a month or two. Hell i paid more for Mass Effect at one time so i'll ride my free month or so.
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This is a well made Trek game, which have, in the past, been notoriously bad, with a few notable exceptions. I think to avoid the problems even Aion made they need at least 2 significant patches over the next month or two. This is very doable. In the MMO market place every company has to deal with the WoW mentality, that is to say that it needs to somehow overcome the mentality that WoW is considered the best(quite erroneously in my opinion, but this is because when I look at MMOs I look for certain features) and that everyone plays that because their friend is. Cryptic has a great franchise to work with and hopefully they will be able to deliver, especially to the Trekkies who will be quick to complain about anything they find to be an issue, as has happened with Trek games in the past. If they can hold on to the Trekkies, they have a significant subscriber base right there.
Forum posts are not official MMORPG.com news articles.
Misleading information is hardly a real news article. You should atleast address the fact its not actual accounts but registered Forum Accounts. You don't even need to own STO or have been part of the beta to have a Registered Forum account with Cryptic.
You simply regurtitated bad information without even looking into the entire matter. I'm starting to wonder if any research is done at all before these news articles are brought up.
Typical sandbox apologists, take any positive news and start Crying over it.
Let me give you some hard numbers from just gamestop corperate, keep in mind this isn't including Walmart, FYE Best-Buy, Go-Gamer, or Amazon. etc etc etc
Total pre orders 185,653
Total units sold as of 02/03/10 221,965
That's directly off the GS terminal, so while No there may not be a 1 million active subs you can pretty much bet your ass it's close to a half mil active subs, and considering that Cryptic is buying even more servers again...a crap load of folks are playing the game, will they be playing next month? who knows, but as of point now the game is doing way wy better than cryptic hoped,. No it's not the fucking Paris Hilton of MMO's like WoW is...but you have to give Cryptic props for getting this far.
See once again misleading information. There aren't ANY subs other than lifetime subscribers. Subscriptions other than the lifetime don't take place until after the first 30 days. Thats when numbers actually becoming more reasonable. If they have 500,000 actual subscriptions in 30 days I'll be surprised. I wont be happy or sad just surprised. I'm estimating they'll probably get a healthy amount but a million? Hardly...because right now that 1 million registered accounts counts MY account and I did not buy the game and won't either. I thought other than the ship combat which was good the rest of the game was terrible.
Hell they've not even announced how many or a rounda bout number of Lifetime Subs they have because people can still cancel their lifetime subscriptions and some already have.
Its marketing hype.
btw there's no way in hell i'd ever give Cryptic Props especially with the way they've treated Champions online like a red head step child, left parts of the game unplayable for nearly 12 days, the servers are constantly having problems etc all so they can baby frigging STO. WE're paying for our game already yet recieving crap since our money is obviously funding STO's hype machine.
Sand box or not I wouldn't touch another Cryptic game. Personally I like theme parks a tad more than Sandbox so calling all of us sandbox lovers is just ridiculous.
Underlined part is where you made the point for those so called 'sandbox apologists'. Thats funny tbh.
Well, didnt they also clain "1 million" almost one year ago, with release of Champions Online?
And, today, how many players do CO have??
Well, i no longer trust cryptic ...
While I wish the game well and hope it succeeds, it's hard to look at something so consciously misleading and not leave with a bad feeling about the company and the game.
Spin like that will lead a discriminating reader wondering "what the hell is wrong with the game that they need to get so desperate for any sort of press so fast?"
The kind of folks likely to read this press release are likely to be savvy enough to figure out the chicanery. So why do it?
I'm waiting for the trial. I don't feel like taking people's word for it.
I tried the late open beta, it was painfully horrid ruiniation of Star Trek.
It should have been something decent with politics, exploration, scientific discovery, diplomacy, open space, clean air...etc
But what is it?
Pretty Uniforms, a character creator that allows you to look like a complete mongo, an instanced mess...
Oh well, guess I'm old and too intellegent :P :P
No exploration? Do tell
I was in closed beta from about the half way mark...
I love the Star Trek universe... LOVE it... and I really wanted STO to be awesome.... but it really left me feeling flat. I dunno, but it just didn't feel like Star Trek. The "episode" idea sounded really cool, and I was really looking forward to it, but that didn't really play out as I expected/hoped it would.
So I bowed out and waited until Open Beta to see if the game had improved. To my dismay, all that had really changed was the UI, and a few combat things. *sigh*
One of things that irked me was the lack of death penalty. Cryptic says they are aiming at the casual gamer... so I think that is all they will get... I don't believe many people will stay for the long term, as it just doesn't generate the excitement needed during combat to feel like you've overcome all odds and won, for example. Instead, if you fail, oh well, lets try again after a 15 second penalty ... meh.
Anyway, if you haven't tried it yet and will be soon, I sincerely hope you do like it.... if the baby fails, I can't see any chance for another ST MMO again any time soon...
Personally I think it is a well made game. Granted there are problems, but those will be ironed out as it goes. I give Cryptic credit for doing so well with a difficult franchise. My least favorite part is how they handled the ship combat. Feels too simple to me. It would be a great improvement if they gave the option to use a bridge view for combat and communication in addition to the space view. For me this would make it more authentically Trek. I did enjoy away missions. These are very authentic to the franchise, though I would like to see a better interface for selecting your away team. While I am more forgiving than most Trekkies, I do see a bit of potential here if Cryptic will do the upgrades needed to make it a great game. Btw, not everyone enjoys WoW style games, but I will admit that Star Trek Online does offer a perfect balance of dungeon raid and story driven quests. I also enjoyed grouping for the first time in any MMO. This game is perfect for those who love group play and group play is even enjoyable for those of us who hate it, since it allows you to be more independent than most group play has been in other games.
I don't think it's misleading information when everyone is stating they know it's not the number of active subscribers, but the registered accounts, just like they said in the article. And yes I said subscribers. They still count as subs even if it's free, you do have to cancel the account before the 30 days is up or else you will be charged for an additional month of service. Although, to get an accurate amount of subscribers we will have to wait till the free 30 days are up.
Great a video of a quest where you 'interact' with a few anomolies in an instanced area of space, exciting!
No exploration? Do tell
Last I checked quests that send you to an area to do something is not exploration. Exploration is the freedom to go and explore without anyone holding your hand pointing you in the direction to look. The very fact they had the ability at one point to 'turn off' exploration as some defenders put it just makes it a laughable version of "go here do this and come back" oh look you discovered something by doing this gasp! Thats not exploration.
Exploration is going out and discovering things simply by trial and error or pure curiousity instead of someone telling you where to go.
I don't think it's misleading information when everyone is stating they know it's not the number of active subscribers, but the registered accounts, just like they said in the article. And yes I said subscribers. They still count as subs even if it's free, you do have to cancel the account before the 30 days is up or else you will be charged for an additional month of service. Although, to get an accurate amount of subscribers we will have to wait till the free 30 days are up.
It is misleading the very title of this thread is leading it doesnt' say registered forum accounts. Sure some of us know the difference but there are plenty of fanbois / defenders / innocents out there going WOW thats alot of people.
Sorry NO one counts Subs until after the 30 days since no subscription money exchanges hands until after that 30 days regardless of people signing up to use their initial free 30 days. I stand by my statement there are no subs other than lifetime subs currently active.
btw mods sorry for the double post.
No exploration? Do tell
Last I checked quests that send you to an area to do something is not exploration. Exploration is the freedom to go and explore without anyone holding your hand pointing you in the direction to look. The very fact they had the ability at one point to 'turn off' exploration as some defenders put it just makes it a laughable version of "go here do this and come back" oh look you discovered something by doing this gasp! Thats not exploration.
Exploration is going out and discovering things simply by trial and error or pure curiousity instead of someone telling you where to go.
yes i went to a sector of space with no preset quests and explored anonomies which sent me to a new instance.
Seriously what do you want, you start in a enmpy version of Sector Black and go into sub systems that are random scanner quests. That's by defination exploriong unknown space. its not some "unknow sector" in sector black it's a ENTIRE UNEXPORED ZONE
No sir, that is named Being Lost.
I wonder about 1 Million. LOTRO has claim to 4 Million, however you would be lucky if 500K were playing.
Now I know tons of folks signed up on the furoms hoping to get a beta invite. I don't believe for one moment there are 1 million folks playing STO. I played open beta and 1 Mill would have shut that puppy down. Heck you could barly get 300 in sol systemberfore it would crash and drop dead.
So I have to ask how many of these forum accounts were folks trying to get in on beta. I know I have over 50 different ones going to 10 different email accounts, and the only way I got in was through ten ton hammer giving out free keys.
So yes I dont belive those numbres.
Oh and I got to wonder how many of these went lifetime, how many are actually going to stay after the first 30 days of free game play.
I think were a bit to fast declaring victory.
Surely 1 million people have bought Brittany Spears records. That doesn' t make the records any good.
It just goes to show stupid people will buy crap.
/em gazes over at STO....
.../... That's clear.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.