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TERA Plagiarized Lineage 3

rhinokrhinok Member UncommonPosts: 1,798

 From mmocrunch.com:


 

Bluehole Studios, the newly formed developers of TERA are to compensate NCSoft for the sum of 2 billion Wons(approximately 1,721,836.820 USD)  for plagiarizing Lineage 3’s source code. This decision was made by the Seoul Central District Court after they found the former development director of Lineage 3 guilty. According to Bluehole, they are not satisfied with the judgement, and will lodge an appeal immediately.

It is still unknown whether this will affect the development of TERA, or the existence of Bluehole, and NCSoft have yet to make an official statement on the case.

The reason behind the case is the fact that Mr. Kang and Mr. Yo, former developers for Lineage 3, used some of the technologies copyrighted by NCSoft after the project’s cancellation, in their latest game – TERA.


 

Also from mmosite.com:


 

In terms of Lineage 3's code disclosure lawsuit, the South Korean court has recently ruled that the 4 core developers of Lineage 3 (including the former development director) and their current employer Bluehole Studio should compensate NCsoft by 2 billion Wons.

 

This is the civil ruling, following the criminal one in which the core developers of Bluehole Studio were found guilty (on Jun. 26, 2009, the Seoul Central District Court sentenced the former development director of Lineage 3 - Mr. Park to a fixed-term imprisonment of one and a half years with a 2-year suspension of execution for malfeasance and disclosure of business secrets). According to Bluehole Studio, they're not satisfied with the judgement, and will lodge an appeal immediately.

 

On Jan. 28, the civil department of the Seoul Central District Court rendered a verdict and required the 4 involved defendants including Mr. Park to compensate NCsoft by 2 billion Wons. Meanwhile, the defendants were also ordered not to disclose NCsoft's business secrets to any others, but clear up all related data in hand.

 

Though at present, NCsoft wins the lawsuit no matter in the criminal judgement or in the civil one, it's still unknown if the MMORPG TERA under development by Bluehole Studio will be fatally affected.

 

Relevant Event

Mr. Park, formerly in charge of Lineage 3's development, got in touch with a Japanese company in 2006 with the aim of attracting investment, and disclosed certain plans related to Lineage 3. Mr. Bae, who was responsible for other projects at that time, was also involved in this matter. Moreover, the former developers of Lineage 3 including Mr. Kang and Mr. Yoswitched over to Bluehole Studio after the cancelation of Lineage 3, and applied certain technologies originally adopted in the development of Lineage 3 in Bluehole Studio's new project - Project S1 (currently named TERA).


 

~Ripper

 

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  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856

    lol!1.7 billion $!if that company as to pay that tera will never get released nobody in their right mind would release this and accept to pay it will be cheapper to build a new game.espacially since todays game need these 3 techno to be considered massive

    dx11

    microsoft donnybrook

    64 bit

    i doubt l3 code had any of those so its not worth 1.7 billion $

    i do hope tho that korea stay very firm in this ruling since the offence them selves are very crippling for any game maker be it

    ncsoft or any other brand name.what those guys did WAS illegal and criminal always need to be punished way more severly then just the slap on the wrist korea court gave employe.the fine is ok .its the 1.5 year in prison that is too little

    since it take around 4 years to dev a game they should have been sentenced to 4 year in prison!

  • ProfRedProfRed Member UncommonPosts: 3,493
    NICE!  I thought... how could a country let someone blatantly steal a games source code and make a new game for profit with it.  Maybe NCSoft will buy up Tera and release it...

     

    The thieves deserves everything coming to them.



     
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 10,835
    Originally posted by drbaltazar


    lol!1.7 billion $!if that company as to pay that tera will never get released nobody in their right mind would release this and accept to pay it will be cheapper to build a new game.espacially since todays game need these 3 techno to be considered massive
    dx11
    microsoft donnybrook
    64 bit
    i doubt l3 code had any of those so its not worth 1.7 billion $



     

    Balt, you seriously need to learn what those things mean before quoting them.

    [Mod edit]

  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856
    Originally posted by ProfRed


    NICE!  I thought... how could a country let someone blatantly steal a games source code and make a new game for profit with it.  Maybe NCSoft will buy up Tera and release it...
     
    The thieves deserves everything coming to them.


     

     

    tera isnt worth anything for ncsoft!they would end up the way soe bacame once they baught vanguard

    ncsoft is better off making sure the blue company never ever publish any title again so they dont cripple other brand the way ncsoft is being crippled by having their lineage 3 program stolen

    because if blue get away with it ,it will scrap korean game making industry that is just starting to have a good reputation

    and reputation in that industry is very important.

  • ProfRedProfRed Member UncommonPosts: 3,493
    It is sad because Tera looked like it was coming along nicely.

     

    Don't fret though guys.  This game won't just die off.  It will be sold, or finished, and it will release.  Just maybe not with bluehole.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 10,835
    Originally posted by ProfRed


    It is sad because Tera looked like it was coming along nicely.
     
    Don't fret though guys.  This game won't just die off.  It will be sold, or finished, and it will release.  Just maybe not with bluehole.



     

    Its entirely probable that NCsoft will take control of the game in leue of payment, unless of course, they actually have the money their being fined....

  • BaggunsBagguns Member Posts: 152
    Originally posted by drbaltazar


    lol!1.7 billion $!if that company as to pay that tera will never get released nobody in their right mind would release this and accept to pay it will be cheapper to build a new game.espacially since todays game need these 3 techno to be considered massive
    dx11
    microsoft donnybrook
    64 bit
    i doubt l3 code had any of those so its not worth 1.7 billion $
    i do hope tho that korea stay very firm in this ruling since the offence them selves are very crippling for any game maker be it
    ncsoft or any other brand name.what those guys did WAS illegal and criminal always need to be punished way more severly then just the slap on the wrist korea court gave employe.the fine is ok .its the 1.5 year in prison that is too little
    since it take around 4 years to dev a game they should have been sentenced to 4 year in prison!



     

    You need to take a closer look at the op.  It says $1.7 million not billion.

    Mr. Bagguns

  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member RarePosts: 4,105

    Yeah hope the game still gets released and blue hole should have tried negotiating with ncsoft for the stolen codes maybe they would of gotten with less money lost but oh well we can only hope and pray for now lol.


  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 10,835
    Originally posted by Bagguns

    Originally posted by drbaltazar


    lol!1.7 billion $!if that company as to pay that tera will never get released nobody in their right mind would release this and accept to pay it will be cheapper to build a new game.espacially since todays game need these 3 techno to be considered massive
    dx11
    microsoft donnybrook
    64 bit
    i doubt l3 code had any of those so its not worth 1.7 billion $
    i do hope tho that korea stay very firm in this ruling since the offence them selves are very crippling for any game maker be it
    ncsoft or any other brand name.what those guys did WAS illegal and criminal always need to be punished way more severly then just the slap on the wrist korea court gave employe.the fine is ok .its the 1.5 year in prison that is too little
    since it take around 4 years to dev a game they should have been sentenced to 4 year in prison!



     

    You need to take a closer look at the op.  It says $1.7 million not billion.



     

    still, as amounts go, it might as well be a billion.... as i dont think they have 1.7 million either, and i can't see them getting a loan

  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856

    ?what part of dx11 ,donnybrook,and 64 bit ?was there something you didnt understand ,i ll explain my view of it

    dx11 for the bandwith(this means no tessalation!)

    64 bit same thing bandwith,it wouldnt rise fps true.but it would permit you to play at higher graphic setting

    microsoft donnybrook.basicly it makes you control a bot so you get very little data trough the internet.only the actual coordinate and various other info.so instead of needing to send 500 kb/s of data with donnybrook

    you would probably send only 75 kb/s of data .

     

  • suldunsuldun Member Posts: 12

    too bad l3 was just killed and not re started.  l2 was fun for a time.

     

  • BaggunsBagguns Member Posts: 152
    Originally posted by Baggs

    Originally posted by ProfRed


    NICE!  I thought... how could a country let someone blatantly steal a games source code and make a new game for profit with it.  Maybe NCSoft will buy up Tera and release it...
     
    The thieves deserves everything coming to them.


     

     

    Get your facts straight.

    Those people who you call thieves were in fact FIRED from NCsoft.

    Would you leave the code you put hard work for months if not years behind for someone to exploit and make millions of it?

     

    No you wouldn't.

     

     

    What i just read is simply outrageous, i will never buy anything published by NCsoft no matter how good it might look or in fact be.



     

    You obviously don't know how the world works.  Those guys who got fired from NCsoft were PAID to develop that code, they never owned it therefore they had no right to use it.

    You think that it is outrageous for criminals to be punished?

    Mr. Bagguns

  • rygar218rygar218 Member UncommonPosts: 332

    Wow this is pretty big news. Wonder what will become of Tera.

    They might of been fired and to be a bastard I would of done the same too and took the code too no way I would leave the company with my work. However, they probably signed something saying that NCSoft owns everything they did. Hopefully, the appeal will go thru.

    1.8 Million US isn't too bad. Even though the judge ruled agaisnt them, wonder if that will mean for them to stop the production of the game.

  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 10,835
    Originally posted by drbaltazar


    ?what part of dx11 ,donnybrook,and 64 bit ?was there something you didnt understand ,i ll explain my view of it
    dx11 for the bandwith(this means no tessalation!)
    64 bit same thing bandwith,it wouldnt rise fps true.but it would permit you to play at higher graphic setting
    microsoft donnybrook.basicly it makes you control a bot so you get very little data trough the internet.only the actual coordinate and various other info.so instead of needing to send 500 kb/s of data with donnybrook
    you would probably send only 75 kb/s of data .
     

    that fails on so many points i really dont know where to begin.... honestly, unless your intending to take several courses on IP and programming, just for a starter.. i'd stay away from trying to understand the technical side of things.

  • EricDanieEricDanie Member UncommonPosts: 2,238
    Originally posted by Bagguns

    Originally posted by Baggs

    Originally posted by ProfRed


    NICE!  I thought... how could a country let someone blatantly steal a games source code and make a new game for profit with it.  Maybe NCSoft will buy up Tera and release it...
     
    The thieves deserves everything coming to them.


     

     

    Get your facts straight.

    Those people who you call thieves were in fact FIRED from NCsoft.

    Would you leave the code you put hard work for months if not years behind for someone to exploit and make millions of it?

     

    No you wouldn't.

     

     

    What i just read is simply outrageous, i will never buy anything published by NCsoft no matter how good it might look or in fact be.



     

    You obviously don't know how the world works.  Those guys who got fired from NCsoft were PAID to develop that code, they never owned it therefore they had no right to use it.

    You think that it is outrageous for criminals to be punished?

    This.

    Developers working for software companies rarely have any rights on what they produce, it's all clear when you get hired, your work goes for the company, that's what you get paid for, lines of code.

  • PkL728PkL728 Member Posts: 82
    Originally posted by EricDanie

    Originally posted by Bagguns

    Originally posted by Baggs

    Originally posted by ProfRed


    NICE!  I thought... how could a country let someone blatantly steal a games source code and make a new game for profit with it.  Maybe NCSoft will buy up Tera and release it...
     
    The thieves deserves everything coming to them.


     

     

    Get your facts straight.

    Those people who you call thieves were in fact FIRED from NCsoft.

    Would you leave the code you put hard work for months if not years behind for someone to exploit and make millions of it?

     

    No you wouldn't.

     

     

    What i just read is simply outrageous, i will never buy anything published by NCsoft no matter how good it might look or in fact be.



     

    You obviously don't know how the world works.  Those guys who got fired from NCsoft were PAID to develop that code, they never owned it therefore they had no right to use it.

    You think that it is outrageous for criminals to be punished?

    This.

    Developers working for software companies rarely have any rights on what they produce, it's all clear when you get hired, your work goes for the company, that's what you get paid for, lines of code.

    /nod and if they're like me.. you had to sign something before you started basically saying you wouldn't do this same thing.

  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856

    those guys when they were employed signed sheet ton of them ,basicly saying what happens in ncsoft STAYS in ncsoft!

    it didnt stay in ncsoft so they stole ncsoft !if they wanted to start their own firm they should have done so before going to get hired to another firm lol

    when you  make processor at intel factory do you get to sell secret from intel to ibm or amd

    of caurse not you can be suied and go to prison for a long while

    like you !you want to do a game to compete against ncsoft,no problem do it with your own money

    dont go get hired by ncsoft then after that try to sell that to a small company lol.whatever he think as soon as he use program from ncsoft it is called stealing and for ncsoft very easy to prove.

    its not like there are no other ways to do game lol.but its way faster and easier to use stuff your not allowed to since

    it would take years to start from scratch.and they would probably be fired again because of poor result

    i do hope they go to prison for the same amount of time it took them at ncsoft to make l3 code that what they deserve .

     

     

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 33,619
    Originally posted by drbaltazar


    lol!1.7 billion $!if that company as to pay that tera will never get released nobody in their right mind would release this and accept to pay it will be cheapper to build a new game.espacially since todays game need these 3 techno to be considered massive
    dx11
    microsoft donnybrook
    64 bit
    i doubt l3 code had any of those so its not worth 1.7 billion $
    i do hope tho that korea stay very firm in this ruling since the offence them selves are very crippling for any game maker be it
    ncsoft or any other brand name.what those guys did WAS illegal and criminal always need to be punished way more severly then just the slap on the wrist korea court gave employe.the fine is ok .its the 1.5 year in prison that is too little
    since it take around 4 years to dev a game they should have been sentenced to 4 year in prison!

     

    You post this same thing in every forum on this site.  Do you know of any games in development and scheduled for release in the next two years using any of those technologies?  I'm just wondering which ones you might consider restricting your comments to.

    Glad to see people get slapped for stealing someones assets, and I would guess this could be a fatal blow to TERA.

    .

     

     

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  • marcuslmmarcuslm Member UncommonPosts: 263

     I guess TERA will never see release. It's a shame because it was looking great.

  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member RarePosts: 4,105

    Copyright never heard of it?

    Yes they did the coding but who told them on what lineage was going to be? they were making the code for that game they werent doing this code in their free time.

    They had no right on using it, all they could do was negiotiate which they didn't do so now they have to pay.


  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856
    Originally posted by Phry

    Originally posted by drbaltazar


    ?what part of dx11 ,donnybrook,and 64 bit ?was there something you didnt understand ,i ll explain my view of it
    dx11 for the bandwith(this means no tessalation!)
    64 bit same thing bandwith,it wouldnt rise fps true.but it would permit you to play at higher graphic setting
    microsoft donnybrook.basicly it makes you control a bot so you get very little data trough the internet.only the actual coordinate and various other info.so instead of needing to send 500 kb/s of data with donnybrook
    you would probably send only 75 kb/s of data .
     

    that fails on so many points i really dont know where to begin.... honestly, unless your intending to take several courses on IP and programming, just for a starter.. i'd stay away from trying to understand the technical side of things.

     

    i cant explain it since im not an engineer but there is a video about donnybrook on channel 9 even a better one on microsoft site

    donnybrook is free too no royalty to pay aside from maybe paying ms engineer to help you implement it to your mmo

    since its a fairly involved process.

  • ProfRedProfRed Member UncommonPosts: 3,493
    Not only do software companies own EVERYTHING done during work hours, on work property, and with work software, but many make you sign some very strict contracts.  The first company I wrote software for made me sign a contract that said I could not release any side projects while working with them, and a very popular one is a non compete agreement.  This basically states that if you leave the company you can not even get a job doing software that uses similar technologies for an amount of time.  This means if you are a graphics programmers working with directx on MMORPG's and you sign a non compete agreement you can't go work for another company doing the same thing. 

     

    It costs a ton of money to have licenses to write this kind of code and use this kind of development.  Individuals can not afford it so companies must pay for it.  Anything done using this is the companies property, and rightfully so. 

     

    Software is simply code, and having the code from a company could be everything they are.  Billions upon billions of dollars rest on chunks of code and it has to be protected.
  • BaggunsBagguns Member Posts: 152
    Originally posted by Baggs

    Originally posted by Bagguns

    Originally posted by Baggs

    Originally posted by ProfRed


    NICE!  I thought... how could a country let someone blatantly steal a games source code and make a new game for profit with it.  Maybe NCSoft will buy up Tera and release it...
     
    The thieves deserves everything coming to them.


     

     

    Get your facts straight.

    Those people who you call thieves were in fact FIRED from NCsoft.

    Would you leave the code you put hard work for months if not years behind for someone to exploit and make millions of it?

     

    No you wouldn't.

     

     

    What i just read is simply outrageous, i will never buy anything published by NCsoft no matter how good it might look or in fact be.



     

    You obviously don't know how the world works.  Those guys who got fired from NCsoft were PAID to develop that code, they never owned it therefore they had no right to use it.

    You think that it is outrageous for criminals to be punished?

     

    So lets assume you bought me 3 buckets of paint and payed me to paint you a masterpiece.

    I finish the job, you don't like it and you fire me.

    But hold on, i actually made several paintings with those colors you bought me.

     

    Following your logic everything i made with those colors and money you payed me belongs to you.

    Don't think so buddy.

    You were displeased with my work and you fired me, so all that actually belongs to me, because its in fact my own intellectual property since i created them.

     

     

    The real picture im getting from the articles is that someone at NCsoft is trying to take advantage of some people he obviously didnt get along with and fired them, but he hates them so much because they are better than him and now tries to further more destroy their lives.

     



     

    Nice try at an example, but it doesn't describe the situation at hand.  These fired employees used the painting that they made for me which I paid for, so its mine.  Secondly, these people used my paint for something other than what I wanted it used for?

    When all is said and done they most likely signed something in case something like this ever came up which it did, so those thiefs are tards.

    Mr. Bagguns

  • mklinicmklinic Member UncommonPosts: 1,554
    Originally posted by Bagguns
     

    I like your example, but it doesn't describe the situation at hand.  These fired employees used the painting that they made for me which I paid for, so its mine.  Secondly, these people used my paint for something other than what I wanted it used for?


    Taking it a bit further, this is a plagerization case right? So, to use the paint analogy; the artist painted the masterpiece I wanted and then used my paint to make a reasonable copy that they intended to make money off of when I, as the actual owner of the work, should have been the one licensing copies.

     

    -mklinic

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  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856
    Originally posted by Baggs

    Originally posted by Bagguns

    Originally posted by Baggs

    Originally posted by ProfRed


    NICE!  I thought... how could a country let someone blatantly steal a games source code and make a new game for profit with it.  Maybe NCSoft will buy up Tera and release it...
     
    The thieves deserves everything coming to them.


     

     

    Get your facts straight.

    Those people who you call thieves were in fact FIRED from NCsoft.

    Would you leave the code you put hard work for months if not years behind for someone to exploit and make millions of it?

     

    No you wouldn't.

     

     

    What i just read is simply outrageous, i will never buy anything published by NCsoft no matter how good it might look or in fact be.



     

    You obviously don't know how the world works.  Those guys who got fired from NCsoft were PAID to develop that code, they never owned it therefore they had no right to use it.

    You think that it is outrageous for criminals to be punished?

     

    So lets assume you bought me 3 buckets of paint and payed me to paint you a masterpiece.

    I finish the job, you don't like it and you fire me.

    But hold on, i actually made several paintings with those colors you bought me.

     

    Following your logic everything i made with those colors and money you payed me belongs to you.

    Don't think so buddy.

    You were displeased with my work and you fired me, so all that actually belongs to me, because its in fact my own intellectual property since i created them.

     

     

    The real picture im getting from the articles is that someone at NCsoft is trying to take advantage of some people he obviously didnt get along with and fired them, but he hates them so much because they are better than him and now tries to further more destroy their lives.

     

     

    you assume you didnt sign ton of paper before being hired.but those guys did if they hadnt they wouldnt have been hired its that simple

    even if there is no copyright because the game as not been copyrighted yet

    ncoft employe are bound by secrecy on all their work in ncsoft office.be it l1,l2,guildwars you name it

    you are paid by ncsoft to do the work they own.and you are bound by the sheet of paper you sign   when you go in to secrecy

    they didnt respect any of those so they stole ncsoft property since we re talking years of work here not days

    its the reason why the number are so high.they re lucky if i wass korean court i would have asked ncsoft how much time it took to design those code then sentence the stealer to twice the time in prison.its what they deserve.

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