Newmeanie this post was not directed at you and for the record I have read all of your posts... every post in this thread actually, this was directed at Kyleran.
On the demographic, I think BioWare will hit it directly where they were looking to. What this really boils down to is the game quality. A big part of your complaint NewMeanie was that there were so many other titles to play... but any game that has any manner of success would be worth playing, wouldn't you say? It seems like you've purposely stayed away from Star Wars games. As far as science fiction goes, they come up with some of the most exciting games ranging from RTS to RPG to flight simulators. So what I'm asking is, star wars aside, if this game was made with the quality and mastery that all bioware games seem to have, would you play it?
Sorry thought that was directed at me, my bad!
Well, to respond to your question, would I play this game if they took out the light sabres and made it a normal, original, science fiction game with the content that they've released to the public?
No.
I don't think this game has much going for it other than the fact that it's star wars.
its published direction (campaigns) and limited interactivity (in comparison to other online games) is a turn off for me.
Originally posted by Newmeanie Sorry thought that was directed at me, my bad! Well, to respond to your question, would I play this game if they took out the light sabres and made it a normal, original, science fiction game with the content that they've released to the public? No. I don't think this game has much going for it other than the fact that it's star wars. its published direction (campaigns) and limited interactivity (in comparison to other online games) is a turn off for me.
You haven't played KoTOR, what Bioware games have you played?
Newmeanie this post was not directed at you and for the record I have read all of your posts... every post in this thread actually, this was directed at Kyleran.
On the demographic, I think BioWare will hit it directly where they were looking to. What this really boils down to is the game quality. A big part of your complaint NewMeanie was that there were so many other titles to play... but any game that has any manner of success would be worth playing, wouldn't you say? It seems like you've purposely stayed away from Star Wars games. As far as science fiction goes, they come up with some of the most exciting games ranging from RTS to RPG to flight simulators. So what I'm asking is, star wars aside, if this game was made with the quality and mastery that all bioware games seem to have, would you play it?
Sorry thought that was directed at me, my bad!
Well, to respond to your question, would I play this game if they took out the light sabres and made it a normal, original, science fiction game with the content that they've released to the public?
No.
I don't think this game has much going for it other than the fact that it's star wars.
its published direction (campaigns) and limited interactivity (in comparison to other online games) is a turn off for me.
If by campaign you mean their online interactive quest system, then yeah I can understand the trepidation since we haven't seen anything like it to date. If by limited interactivity you mean and open world as any other MMO on the market, then I can understand that as well. What I'm trying to ask, is if the game is doing well, and 6 months down the line its still amazingly popular, would you consider trying it as a star wars game? I mean when WoW launched, I didn't like it at all, it became popular and eventually, I tried it... granted I never subbed past my first month, but I gave it a shot.
If not I can understand that, and not everyone will like ToR... as not everyone likes WoW (me for one). Not every game is made to suit everyone... but I think there are more people who would be willing to play a well created game nomatter the IP then those that would hold out on a good game because the IP might be "outdated" to them.
Originally posted by Newmeanie Sorry thought that was directed at me, my bad! Well, to respond to your question, would I play this game if they took out the light sabres and made it a normal, original, science fiction game with the content that they've released to the public? No. I don't think this game has much going for it other than the fact that it's star wars. its published direction (campaigns) and limited interactivity (in comparison to other online games) is a turn off for me.
You haven't played KoTOR, what Bioware games have you played?
All of the Baldurs gate Series, Did they do Icewind dale? played those too...
and Dragon age... anddd neverwinter nights.. prolly some other randoms.
Baldurs gate 4 lifeee
EDIT: no, they didnt do icewind dale apparantly... at least according to wikipedias page on them, but still awesome games! woo! icewind dale 4 liffeee!
Just so everyone gets the facts strait please read all of what I Copied and am Pasting directly from the SWTOR
website, everything listed has been officaly confirmed by bioware
the game acts just like any other MMO that has dungen instancing.
Now to set this strait the game is open just like WOW or LOTRO this single player crap is bull
bioware is offering a two fold game. There is the Character class story arc, which is non-lineir
then there is the open world inviroment just like wow has, lots of quests and grouping if you so choose
there is no single player mode, just dungen instancing which you can form groups, teams what ever
for. the rest of the game is like WOW or LOTRO its alot of planets with a open world format you will
run into alot of other players running around doing there own thing or in groups
Here is the post from the SWTOR website
The information here has been gathered from all the reviews listed below. If you take all the information we can start to gather how the game may turn out.
Links to quotes are provided on fifth post down.
{Latest Updates in Yellow} Updated 5th January 2010
TESTING Signups Started: - Signup Here!
RELEASE Date: No date at present!
Planets
For a List of known Planets visit the Holonet here: Planets
Tython
Starter Planet for Jedi Kinght
Starter Planet for Jedi Consular
Ord Mantell
Starter Planet for Smuggler
Starter Planet for Trooper
Coruscant
Coruscant seems to be split into levels such as Senate, Works, Gang areas - Dev Dispatch (Coruscant)
Lots to explore on Coruscant, you can see for miles and miles - Dev Dispatch (Coruscant)
Social areas on Coruscant such as the Spaceport and Galactic Senate - Dev Dispatch (Coruscant)
Korriban
Starter Planet for Sith Warrior
Starter Planet for Sith Inquisitor
Hutta
Starter Planet for Bounty Hunter
Starter Planet for Imperial Agent
Balmorra
Republic forces are supporting the local resistance on this planet.
Alderaan
Alderaan is a mix of landscapes from Snow capped peaks to rolling plains to Forests
Tatooine
Mainly desert, ex Czerka Corp mined planet. Imperial presence on planet
Possible dozens of planets in game - Gamespot TOR 2008
Other possible planets metioned include Utapau, Agamar, Dathomir, and Manaan - Gamespot TOR 2008
Characters/Classes:
For Released Classes Visit here: Classes
Good post here showing the abilities of classes: Abilities - Thanks to Rezoo
Jedi Knight
Based on 'Mace Windu' and 'Anakin Skywalker'. Lightsaber focused with some Force powers - Bioware
Abilities include: Force Push, Saber Throw, Impale and Blaster Deflection - Holonet
Knights can provide a buff similar to 'Force Valor" - Gamespot "Jedi Knight"
Jedi Knight uses force points similar to that of the Sith Warrior to charge up the special moves - PC Gamer Jan 2010
The finishing move where you impale seems to be called Master Strike - PC Gamer Jan 2010
Quote: The Jedi knight can fill a couple of roles in combat. In one-on-one combat, the Jedi knight is practically unmatched in melee power - Gamespot "Jedi Knight"
Players who enjoy fast melee combat will identify with this class - Gamespot "Jedi Knight"
Quote: At its core, the Jedi knight is about getting into battle as quickly as possible, dominating the fight and protecting allies - Gamespot "Jedi Knight"
Double Bladed Lightsabers shown on Holonet for Jedi. - Holonet (Outfitting)
Jedi Knights start on Tython - Making of Tython Dev. Video.
Jedi Consular
Based on 'Obi Wan Kenobi' and 'Yoda'. A forced ranged class with some melee - Bioware
Quote: From what we were shown, this class is far from being a simple caster. Part melee, part puppeteer, part healer; the Jedi Consular could end up filling multiple play styles - Darth Hater Extravaganza
Quote: "The Jedi consular is more based in telekinetics" - Gamespot Dec 3rd
Abilities seem to include Mind Maze, Force Pull, Force Slam, Benevolence, Meditation, Clear casting & Force Repulse - Darth Hater Extravaganza
Consular is a rear line support fighter not a front line melee. - PCGames Translation
Consulars can use the doublebladed Lightsaber - Holonet
Consular is the Ranged DPS/CC/Healer class - PCGames Translation
Benevolence is a single target in or out off combat heal - Darth Hater Extravaganza
Smuggler:
Abilities seen during the live demo at Pax include: Groin kick, Headshot, Triple Rocket, Flash Grenade, Cover shot and Barrage - GamesSpot Pax Day1
The subclasses for Smuggler are Gunslinger and Scoundrel - Darth Hater Extravaganza
Scoundrel: Short Ranged, Stealth based Damage and Medicine - Darth Hater Extravaganza
Gunslinger: Long Range, Dual Pistols and Persuade - Darth Hater Extravaganza
Cover system shown working, Smuggler can select from a Silhouette of the PC to move to cover- VO Video
Smuggler is the only class that can shoot while running away - Multiple Reviews
When using cover the Smuggler gains a defence bonus, this is show on the mob that he is hiding from by a green symbol above the targets head - Developer Walkthrough
Trooper:
Trooper is the Heavy Weapons specialist as well as using Heavy Armour, The big gun is his friend - Official Site
Abilities seen during the Pax live demo include: Firebomb (Aoe) damage, Full Auto, Rockets, Shock Strike and Sticky Grenades - GamesSpot Pax Day1
Mentioned by a Dev during the Q&A that the Trooper is a Ranged Tanking class - Darth Hater Q&A PAX Day3
Sith Warrior:
Based on Darth Vader. Lightsaber focused with some Force powers - Bioware
Sith Warrior provides no Buffs to groups - GamesSpot (GamesCom)
Can use a Single, 2 Handed or Dual wield Lightsabers - Designing the Darkside
Sith Warrior starts on Korriban - GamesSpot (GamesCom)
Sith Warrior can spec in to either DPS or deflecting front line fire - GamesSpot (GamesCom)
Sith Ability of 'Channelled Hatred' Shown as a Out of Combat self heal - EuroGamer HO (GamesCom)
Sith Warrior abilities seen during demo at Pax include: Force Leap, Slash, PowerSlash, Impale, Smash and Force Choke - GamesSpot Pax Day1
Sith Inquisitor
Based on Palpatine. Forced ranged class with some melee - Bioware
They can use at least either Doublebladed or Two Handed Lightsabers - Holonet
Quote: The Sith Inquisitor’s ability to manipulate electricity is unmatched among force users - Darth Hater Extravaganza
Quote: "lightly armoured, acrobatic, and uses lots of lightning abilities and telekinetics" - Gamespot Dec 3rd
Abilities include Vicious Saber, Electrocute, Backlash, Overload, Wirlwind and Discharge - Designing the Darkside
More abilities include: Lightning Drain, Dark Gift and Dark Meditation - Darth Hater Extravaganza
By using Dark Gift the Inquisitor can heal- Darth Hater Extravaganza
Inquisitor is a rear line support fighter not a front line melee. - PCGames Translation
Bounty Hunter:
Bounty Hunters Story Arc is called 'The Great Hunt' - SifiWire
Technology is the main weapon for the Bounty Hunter, using all the latest gadgets to catch his mark - Official Site
Bounty Hunter ability 'Electro Dart' shown - VO Video
Other abilities seen in demo vids at pax inc: 'Death from above', Flamethrower, Grenade and Rockets - GamesSpot Pax Day1
Imperial Agent
Imperial Agents work behind the scenes to get the work of the Empire done - Darth Hater IA
Abilities include Toxic Dart, Shiv, Sleep Darts, Laze Target and Explosive Probe Droid - Jake Neri Interview DH
Mention of an ability where you may call in an air strike - Jake Neri Interview DH
Agents can use cover also they can stealth - Jake Neri Interview DH
'Shiv' is close range Vibroblade attack. - Darth Hater IA Walkthrough
IA is more of a tatical class than an all guns blazing one - Darth Hater IA Walkthrough
General Class Information:
Current Stats seen in game are - Cunning, Presence, Willpower, Strength, Agility, Accuracy, Absorb percentage (Armor Value), and Armor Rating - Darth Hater Extravaganza
Each class seem to have multiple armour/cloth sets. At least 20+ per class noted in the recent Dev Dispatch (1.30) - Designing the Darkside
Certain abilities require certain weapons to be equiped as seen in the recent Dev. Video- Designing the Darkside
Facial Tatoos available on Player Characters - Designing the Darkside
The class design has been made so that we will not get forced to group with specific other professions- Gamespot 11th Dec
Quote: "commitment to deliver an enjoyable Star Wars experience above all else and suggested that this outlook also influenced the game's character design" - Gamespot 11th Dec
Rather than focusing on the Standard class format of Tank, Healer and DPS Bioware seems to be putting fun first and foremost in class design - Gamespot 11th Dec
Walking, Running and Sprint are the speed modes for individual movement available - Darth Hater Extravaganza
It seems that once you reach level 20 your subclasses are opened up to you. - Videogamer.com Dec 3rd
When you die you get the option to Revive at a 'Med Center' - Coruscant and Trooper HD Video (TheNoNews.com)
Flowing Jedi/Sith Robes seen - New Planet Reveal (Pax)
Characters can be customised to be unique, details not revealed - Darth Hater Q&A PAX
All classes get a 'Out of Combat Healing ability', maybe something as simple as a medipack - G4 (GamesCom)
No Permadeath - Confirmed by Dev Damion Schubert
Characters can Jump!- StarwarsMMO
Healing: Several classes can heal, Healing is NOT a requirement of TOR and healing has been done with a twist in TOR - IGN Q & A
Full Body and Facial expressions while speaking - StarWarsMMO Demo
Different coloured Lightsabers seen and used by SITH - VO Video
There is a World/Galactic Story and your Personal Class Story - Darth Hater Q&A PAX
There is an END to each classes Story with new content to extend each story- MMOGamer
Quote: All classes in SW:TOR can move into another direction from one point in the game. So you can chose between two different ways - PCGames Translation
It seems that each class has two sub classes and you must decide which to choose - PCGames Translation
Quote: We decided for two different ways per class. Every class has to make this choice. - PCGames Translation
Release Information:
Quote: When we release the game, it's high quality, very polished - that's the key to MMO success and that's why you see so many MMOs come out and stumble - Digital Spy (James Ohlen)
Quote: We want to make sure that when people play the game, that people don't run out of content - Digital Spy (James Ohlen)
General:
Quote from Ray Muzyka: "We want people to feel like they're playing their own personal non-linear fiction" - Total PC Gaming Issue 28
Bioware understand peoples concerns that this looks like a Single Player game, But this does have all the elements on a full MMORPG- Massively Pax
Music from both the KOTOR 1/2 and all the movies will be heard in TOR plus new scores - Darth Hater the Audio of TOR
Macros in game. /dance shown in macro during PAX live demo - DH Pax Dissection
All payment and Subscription methods are still being looked into - Darrell Rodriguez Interview
Mentioned by Sean in an Interview that they are considering that if your in Europe and want to play on a US server they will allow it - SWTOR-Station (Sean)
Phasing used alot during TOR to make Enviroment changes personal - Darth Hater Q&A PAX
Testers shown using level 30 characters in PvP in Dev. Dispatch Video - Designing the Darkside
Only being released for PC, No Consoles or MAC. - IGN Q & A
The game is not aimed at the Hardcore player but the Star Wars, RPG and Bioware Fans- GamesRadar
The Majority of the Game can be done without Any help from anyone else - StarWarsMMO Demo
200+ Hours of game play per character - Gamespot 2 Vid.
TOR to be made in English, French and German - Eurogamer (GamesCom)
Naming Filters include not being able to have numbers, special characters or Star Wars names - StarWarsMMO Demo
The aim is to remove Grinding - multiple reviews.
They are trying to make TOR available to People with a mix of PC quality Old and New- StarWarsMMO
Species
No details revealed yet of what playable species are in game except that there will be more than just human.
Quote: The players will have the option of creating non-human player characters - Darth Hater the Audio of TOR
Companions:
Companions are summoned and dismissed at will using the 'Summon Companion' command - Darth Hater Extravaganza
Companions can Tank, DPS and also heal - Darth Hater Extravaganza
We know that the Sith Inquisitor has at least a Dashade and a Kaleesh species companion - PC Gamer Jan 2010
If you play a Force class you can get a companion as an Apprentice - Darth Hater Extravaganza
Quote: BioWare plans on using companion characters to solve the “looking for tank/healer” problem seen in other MMOs. - Darth Hater Extravaganza
Mentioned that Both Characters and Companions will have a high level of customisation - Darth Hater Q&A PAX
You will only be allowed to have one companion out at any time. - Multiple reviews
They will level up as you do - PCGames Translation
You can NOT allocate your companions abilities or talent points - PCGames Translation
You CAN manipulate your companion in certain ways such as going Darkside - PCGames Translation
Factions & Alignment:
Only two factions revealed in TOR Republic and Sith - General Info.
They are looking into adjusting characters looks based on their Light/Darkside alignment - Sean Interview GDC
There will be NO switching of sides on initial release of TOR, but maybe in future updates - Sean Interview GDC
The more Dark/Light Side you go you gain access to more abilities that lean towards that calling that going the other way denies you. - GameSutra
You can play as a Neutral character such as a Grey Jedi, Confirmed - Live Q & A session Comic Con.
Voices & Dialogue
Alien Dialogue has Subtitles - Developer Walkthrough
Quote: all of the player characters will speak basic. Inc the Non Human - Darth Hater the Audio of TOR
Dialog selection via a Mass Effect Style Dialog wheel - Multiple reviews + VO Video
Quest Dialogue can change depending on what other player classes you bring with you during quests - VO Video
Full Voice overs for all NPC, Companions and Player Characters - VO Video
There are Persuade options for certain dialogue - VO Video
Options to read text instead of listening to VO - Darth Hater Q&A PAX Day3
There are options to Skip Text/VO - Darth Hater Q&A PAX Day3
There is one Male and One Female voice per Class - Sean Dahlberg
Social/Interaction
Quote :"There is exploration, there is combat, it is a wide-open world" - MMOGamer - Blaine Christine
Quote: "Going to have crafting and harvesting, going to have guilds and social activities" - MMOGamer - Blaine Christine
Quote:" “Hey, if I’m really into more the crafting, harvesting, auction house type of gameplay, are you going to support that?” "Absolutely" - MMOGamer - Blaine Christine
PvE Server confirmed if you do not want to PvP, thus confirming that there should be PvP servers - Darth Hater Q&A PAX
Player housing is something BW/LA NOT discussed - Massively Pax
There is mention of a Player Driven Economy in the review from Joystiq.
Environment
Tiered Maps are in game. Your mini-map and world map change to reflect what level your on- Darth Hater Extravaganza
Function called 'Call Shuttle' available which will auto return you to your current home waypoint, like Hearthstone in WoW- Darth Hater Extravaganza
You can explore and walk around off the beaten path, its not linear like KOTOR - Darth Hater Q&A PAX
Quests seem to be shown by different symbols, Gold and Blue have been see. Might represent Primary and Secondary quest lines - Developer Walkthrough
The environment reacts to the player character, such as guards saluting - SWTOR-Station (GamesCom)
They are looking into seperate servers for PvP, RP etc as an option. - StarWarsMMO
Planets range in size but are Very Large, Mentioned that planets have zones, not stated if there are seperated by loading screens or not. - IGN Q & A
Quest Givers seem to be indicated by a Symbol above there heads - VO Video (4mins 56sec)
Space Experience will be in game, its still being worked on - Machinima
Localised instancing - When getting/handing in a quest you are the only one at NPC - MMOGAMER + VO Video (See 4mins 58 Sec)
User Interface: - A link to the Image of the UI is shown below
Basic 12 Button UI with built in Radar, XP Bar, Player and Target Portraits - VO Video
During the recent Dev. Dispatch you could see extra toolbars being used by the game testers on top of the standard 12 (4.14) - Designing the Darkside
3D Portraits used to show player and party members - VO Video
Buffs and current applied abilities show above the Health Bar of the Player - VO Video
Quest Tracker and Chat Box Shown - VO Video
Player made UI Supported -Goha (GamesCom)
Inventory shown: Chest, Pants, Bracers, Boots, Hands, Left & Right Melee, Left & Right Ranged - Developers Walkthrough
Inventory shown: Other slots also shown that seem to be for Rings, Trinkets etc - Developers Walkthrough
Basic Class Info Shown in Inventory: Accuracy, Armour & Damage - Developers Walkthrough
2 Tabs of 24 bag slots shown as inventory space- Developers Walkthrough
Built in Quest Helper System, similar to Warhammer, in game. Points you in right direction for quests and indicates progress. - Darth Hater Extravaganza
Inventory shows slots for both Melee and Ranged, maybe there is a function to switch from one to the other during combat - Developer Walkthrough
Combat:
NPC AI does does seem to be aware of its surroundings, They take cover and the move away from other NPCs that may cause them harm etc - Developer Walkthrough
Depending on if you use either a single or duel Lightsaber you will gain abilities the other does not - GamesSpot (GamesCom)
No Auto Attack - Mentioned in Multiple Reviews
Combat has been designed towards PvP - IGN Q & A
TOR is more an action based Combat system rather than the standard MMO style in other games - IGN Q & A
All classes will also have their ranged as well as close combat skills - MMORPG Comic Con
While seeing the Combat in the Flaspoint its seemed very like Battlefront with 10 vs 2 combat - StarWarsMMO Demo
When engaging NPCs the NPC switched from Ranged to Melee as the Players got closer - StarWarsMMO Demo + VO Video
Combat was more fluid not stiff like KOTOR - StarWarsMMO Demo
Cooldowns on the skills were very short, and the skills themselves were swift, immediate- EuroGamer
TOR is NOT going for normal MMO Combat but Star Wars Combat (2.43 on vid)- Gamespot 17th June
Players seem to be able to take on 1 to 4 NPCs at the same time. - Destructoid + StarWarsMMO + VO Video
Duel use of Lightsabers shown. - Mentioned in Multiple Reviews + VO Video
Sith was shown using two colours of Ligtsaber Crystal- VO Video
Short cooldowns and Channeling of abilities shown - VO Video
Sith action points shown being gained while fighting to be used for special moves (Yellow markers below the Sith Health Bar) - VO Video
The Sith was Auto deflecting Blaster Bolts during the Flaspoint - StarWarsMMO Demo
PVP
PvP is in TOR - Multiple Interviews
Small amount of PvP action shown between 3 players during Dev. Video (4.00) - Designing the Darkside
Confirmed that you do NOT have to PvP in TOR, its an option if you want too - IGN Q & A
Richard Vogal during an interview said that Battlegrounds were available - Games Reactor
Loot sets also seem to be in game, possible mutliple PvP sets mentioned - Gamespot Smuggler
Raiding
There will be raiding but no details have been released - Multiple Reviews
End Game Content like Raiding is available if players do not want to re roll- MMOGamer
Flashpoints/Loot:
There are repeatable Flashpoints and General Content in game - Darth Hater Q&A PAX
TOR does seem to be item/stat based game, LightSaber picked up in game shown with Stats on - Developer Walkthrough
Loot seems to be based on Light/Darkside as well as class. - Multiple Interviews
Looting is the standard Loot types in other MMOs - StarWarsMMO
Choices in Flashpoints can change the course of the instance. Kill a NPC and 'A' happens.. do not kill and 'B' happens. - Mentioned in Multiple Reviews
Mentioned that during a solo Flashpoint (dungeons) friends can be invited at anypoint while doing quests- GamesRadar
Group decisions in Flashpoints (Its mentioned that BW are still working on how to apply LS/DS points depending on outcome).
A rolling system has been seen during Voice Over/Story sections when a Party is involved. It seems to indicate who gets to speak first- VO Video
If you made it this far and actually read everything, the game is fleshing out just fine and is pretty much just like any other MMO
MMO??? where?? An MMO would do fine for more then a year..but swtor is not an MMO, its a single player game with multiplayer connection to co-op if people want...
I love how many people say this.
That is so beyond not the truth it's not even funny. Ignorance is not valid just because A LOT of people are.
They're making leveling/questing fun, exciting, involving and immerssive.
People whine and complain about hot horrible grinding is, then someone comes along and attempts to give you a reason to WANT to do it other than to get level capped and you BITCH and MOAN like two year olds.
The game will have all the elements of any other mmo; pvp and raiding for sure, and probably various other group activities.
I mean, they really haven't said crap about it other than that.
You're all just dumb. Stfu or educate yourselves on the small amount of information out there on it. FFS!
Playing: *sigh* back to WoW -------- Waiting for: SW:TOR, APB, WoD --------- Played and loved: Eve and WoW -------- Played and hated: WoW:WotLK, Warhammer, every single F2P
One person stated that all the popular mmos are based on popular backgrounds, like Star Trek, LOTRO and FF. FF is a little different its more of a maleable franchise than a lore backing, but regardless, the name is there.
I feel this is an appropriate argument but slighty moot WRT to Star Wars. I mean... its freaking STAR WARS. Like i said in my opening. If they make a MUPPETS MMO, will everyone play it? YEA!!! For a month, then give it up!
Will ALOT of people try this game and say WOW!! THIS SO SO SO SO COOL! and RACE to the forums to saay how GREAT it is? YES!! Ab-so-lutely. What im saying, is people will leave after a month, just like all modern MMOs, And populations will decline rapidly because the.. novelty of the starwars universe will go away fast and nothign will be left. Especially since the game is highly based on single player campaigns in this universe which I on one hand think is a very boring and childish universe.
Not if it's anything worth playing. If it's just nice words and a disappointing game, like others we have played, then yes you are right. But doesn't have much to do with the franchise. Only maybe the numbers will be more extreme, because more people will feel attracted, but those new players won't be demanding an amazing traditional MMORPG, so they won't leave massively either.
MMO??? where?? An MMO would do fine for more then a year..but swtor is not an MMO, its a single player game with multiplayer connection to co-op if people want...
I love how many people say this.
That is so beyond not the truth it's not even funny. Ignorance is not valid just because A LOT of people are.
They're making leveling/questing fun, exciting, involving and immerssive.
People whine and complain about hot horrible grinding is, then someone comes along and attempts to give you a reason to WANT to do it other than to get level capped and you BITCH and MOAN like two year olds.
The game will have all the elements of any other mmo; pvp and raiding for sure, and probably various other group activities.
I mean, they really haven't said crap about it other than that.
You're all just dumb. Stfu or educate yourselves on the small amount of information out there on it. FFS!
This is SO very true. Anytime a game tries to be different you get people that bitch and moan even though those same people bitch and moan constantly about how stagnant MMOs have become and how they are all the same. Some people just don't know what they really want .
There is nothing new to see here, Bioware are just adding theire usual things from theire Singleplayer games to an MMO. Same things in an Different surrounding, will it work? Lets wait and see i guess.
If i was an obvious troll, then wouldnt i deserve a High troll ranking? having a LOW troll ranking would imply im BAD at trolling and it was hard to notice it.
I don't think im trolling, SO i thus agree with your statement.
MMO??? where?? An MMO would do fine for more then a year..but swtor is not an MMO, its a single player game with multiplayer connection to co-op if people want...
I love how many people say this.
That is so beyond not the truth it's not even funny. Ignorance is not valid just because A LOT of people are.
They're making leveling/questing fun, exciting, involving and immerssive.
People whine and complain about hot horrible grinding is, then someone comes along and attempts to give you a reason to WANT to do it other than to get level capped and you BITCH and MOAN like two year olds.
The game will have all the elements of any other mmo; pvp and raiding for sure, and probably various other group activities.
I mean, they really haven't said crap about it other than that.
You're all just dumb. Stfu or educate yourselves on the small amount of information out there on it. FFS!
This is SO very true. Anytime a game tries to be different you get people that bitch and moan even though those same people bitch and moan constantly about how stagnant MMOs have become and how they are all the same. Some people just don't know what they really want .
We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
MMO??? where?? An MMO would do fine for more then a year..but swtor is not an MMO, its a single player game with multiplayer connection to co-op if people want...
I love how many people say this.
That is so beyond not the truth it's not even funny. Ignorance is not valid just because A LOT of people are.
They're making leveling/questing fun, exciting, involving and immerssive.
People whine and complain about hot horrible grinding is, then someone comes along and attempts to give you a reason to WANT to do it other than to get level capped and you BITCH and MOAN like two year olds.
The game will have all the elements of any other mmo; pvp and raiding for sure, and probably various other group activities.
I mean, they really haven't said crap about it other than that.
You're all just dumb. Stfu or educate yourselves on the small amount of information out there on it. FFS!
This is SO very true. Anytime a game tries to be different you get people that bitch and moan even though those same people bitch and moan constantly about how stagnant MMOs have become and how they are all the same. Some people just don't know what they really want .
We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
There really won't be any "quest text" as far as I know, pretty sure it's going to be completely voiced over. This enhances immersion, probably why I get immersed easier in single-player games more so than these "mmo's" that are out today. No paladins in the Star Wars universe, unless you're calling force users paladins, in which case... not too smart.
We will fight creatures, droids, npc's and other players. Standard MMO features. Just because of the information, my assumptions and that the game is taking place in the Star Wars universe makes it "surpass" everything else in my case.
The Old Republic seems to be just what the doctor is ordering in my book, an interactive, immersive adventure set in the Star Wars universe. And as far as pies go, there will be no quests involving them, only galactic-sized forrays with blasters, lightsabers, aliens and well-designed planets.
MMO??? where?? An MMO would do fine for more then a year..but swtor is not an MMO, its a single player game with multiplayer connection to co-op if people want...
I love how many people say this.
That is so beyond not the truth it's not even funny. Ignorance is not valid just because A LOT of people are.
They're making leveling/questing fun, exciting, involving and immerssive.
People whine and complain about hot horrible grinding is, then someone comes along and attempts to give you a reason to WANT to do it other than to get level capped and you BITCH and MOAN like two year olds.
The game will have all the elements of any other mmo; pvp and raiding for sure, and probably various other group activities.
I mean, they really haven't said crap about it other than that.
You're all just dumb. Stfu or educate yourselves on the small amount of information out there on it. FFS!
This is SO very true. Anytime a game tries to be different you get people that bitch and moan even though those same people bitch and moan constantly about how stagnant MMOs have become and how they are all the same. Some people just don't know what they really want .
We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
There really won't be any "quest text" as far as I know, pretty sure it's going to be completely voiced over. This enhances immersion, probably why I get immersed easier in single-player games more so than these "mmo's" that are out today. No paladins in the Star Wars universe, unless you're calling force users paladins, in which case... not too smart.
We will fight creatures, droids, npc's and other players. Standard MMO features. Just because of the information, my assumptions and that the game is taking place in the Star Wars universe makes it "surpass" everything else in my case.
The Old Republic seems to be just what the doctor is ordering in my book, an interactive, immersive adventure set in the Star Wars universe. And as far as pies go, there will be no quests involving them, only galactic-sized forrays with blasters, lightsabers, aliens and well-designed planets.
So we should play it because its NOT innovative and its EXACTLY like every other game except with voice overs and light sabers?
So we should play it because its NOT innovative and its EXACTLY like every other game except with voice overs and light sabers?
There comes a point when one simplifies a defintion so much that the phrase used basically loses its ability to encapsulate the definition. Like using the word "plane" to describe a Harrier Jet. Let's face it, all MMO's are built on the same foundation if you simplify and generalise enough. But those core concepts don't accurately describe each MMO thoroughly enough. Therefore, one cannot say that SWTOR is going to be exactly like every other game just because it happens to use some tried and tested concepts. After all, it makes more sense to use some of those concepts than to just conceive concepts without doing some market research. Sometimes innovation for the sake of innovation isn't the best choice.
From the website extract posted by Darkrhodes (thanks for that btw), it seems that Bioware are taking the classic concepts used in other MMO's and adding a little more flexibility in order to try to remove the "holy triage" issue that is often found in other games (in my opinion, the holy triage isn't an issue, but let's not get off topic). To me, from a financial point of view, this was probably the best move. Sure, its not radical or innovative to the point of appearing alien to its competitors, and this might indeed upset some people. And it may seem attractive to be "innovative" and such like to the point whereby a game bears little resemblance to anything else. But lets face some harsh facts, these games need money to survive. And they only get one shot at this. Unless there is a good foundation of research to suggest that there is enough custom that can be generated from being so radical, then such a venture is often deemed very risky and often leads to failure in many industries. And just because a website has some percentage that want radical innovation, that alone doesn't justify spending millions and gambling with peoples livelihoods and careers.
So, coming back to your question, the fact that it isn't exactly like every other game except with voice overs and light sabers, then perhaps one must ask ones self: should we play it because its not radically innovative? In my opinion, I'd say that SWTOR has probably the best chance to succeed out of the range of MMO's due out, and therefore definately worth my own personal time to look into it further when it releases.
So we should play it because its NOT innovative and its EXACTLY like every other game except with voice overs and light sabers?
There comes a point when one simplifies a defintion so much that the phrase used basically loses its ability to encapsulate the definition. Like using the word "plane" to describe a Harrier Jet. Let's face it, all MMO's are built on the same foundation if you simplify and generalise enough. But those core concepts don't accurately describe each MMO thoroughly enough. Therefore, one cannot say that SWTOR is going to be exactly like every other game just because it happens to use some tried and tested concepts. After all, it makes more sense to use some of those concepts than to just conceive concepts without doing some market research. Sometimes innovation for the sake of innovation isn't the best choice.
From the website extract posted by Darkrhodes (thanks for that btw), it seems that Bioware are taking the classic concepts used in other MMO's and adding a little more flexibility in order to try to remove the "holy triage" issue that is often found in other games (in my opinion, the holy triage isn't an issue, but let's not get off topic). To me, from a financial point of view, this was probably the best move. Sure, its not radical or innovative to the point of appearing alien to its competitors, and this might indeed upset some people. And it may seem attractive to be "innovative" and such like to the point whereby a game bears little resemblance to anything else. But lets face some harsh facts, these games need money to survive. And they only get one shot at this. Unless there is a good foundation of research to suggest that there is enough custom that can be generated from being so radical, then such a venture is often deemed very risky and often leads to failure in many industries. And just because a website has some percentage that want radical innovation, that alone doesn't justify spending millions and gambling with peoples livelihoods and careers.
So, coming back to your question, the fact that it isn't exactly like every other game except with voice overs and light sabers, then perhaps one must ask ones self: should we play it because its not radically innovative? In my opinion, I'd say that SWTOR has probably the best chance to succeed out of the range of MMO's due out, and therefore definately worth my own personal time to look into it further when it releases.
I agree adamantly with most of what you posted.
It is a financial venture. Fundamentally it is not about what the players 'want' but what will make them money honey, if not in the long run, then the short run (in order to fund long term projects). I agree totally, this I believe they will attain at least at expectation if not beyond.
Obviously none of us can say what the revenue stream forecasts are for this project. In my opinion, they are short term in nature and the company is planning, perhaps, a larger and less niche project to fund with the proceeds from this game.
This is SO very true. Anytime a game tries to be different you get people that bitch and moan even though those same people bitch and moan constantly about how stagnant MMOs have become and how they are all the same. Some people just don't know what they really want .
We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
And you'll get that. It's all voiced now just like it is in real life. Unless you just don't want quests period for which I say you are SOL.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
Well this is certainly a complaint I never thought I would see. You want an MMORPG that is LESS immersive? Sorry, we want to move the genre forward, not backwards.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
There are plenty of single player/online games for that. MMOs are suppose to be something more than that.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
Dude, it's freaking Star Wars. It's using lightsabers and blasters because that is the IP. Most fights in Star Wars were fast paced, random encounters which is exactly what you are getting in this game. Too make the combat different would be to break the IP and then the game would truly fail. When I play a Star Wars game, I expect it to feel like Star Wars.
Amazing that SWTOR is the highest hyped game, that just blows me away, pathetic lol. Call me a flamer troll, but its ridiculous.
There are so many better titles, "BETTER" because of the more creativity that went into the overall world itself, that are coming out.
FFXIV is one,
I mean, is Diablo III even on this site, if this game is, D3 should be.
If memory serves this website also reviewed and had several articles related to Dragon Age: Origins and that game isn't an online game at all. Ironically they're both made by Bioware and so I'm guessing there may be some $$ in it down the line for ol' mmorpg.com.
This is SO very true. Anytime a game tries to be different you get people that bitch and moan even though those same people bitch and moan constantly about how stagnant MMOs have become and how they are all the same. Some people just don't know what they really want .
We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
And you'll get that. It's all voiced now just like it is in real life. Unless you just don't want quests period for which I say you are SOL.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
Well this is certainly a complaint I never thought I would see. You want an MMORPG that is LESS immersive? Sorry, we want to move the genre forward, not backwards.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
There are plenty of single player/online games for that. MMOs are suppose to be something more than that.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
Dude, it's freaking Star Wars. It's using lightsabers and blasters because that is the IP. Most fights in Star Wars were fast paced, random encounters which is exactly what you are getting in this game. Too make the combat different would be to break the IP and then the game would truly fail. When I play a Star Wars game, I expect it to feel like Star Wars.
Think the problem is alot of the people in mmos not forget they are mmorpgs. There should be some storyline quests. Whole game doesn't have to be a story but should be a purpose for the quest. Kind of miss the days when people played to enjoy the world and help each other and not flex there epeens.
ok so i've read whats been said and now "i don't get it".
Newmeanie, from what i've read of your posts and one in particular where you say you just want combat and to be the best i have just one thing to add to this thread, GO OUT AND PLAY PvP GAMES THEN, i mean come on m8, you want to play MMO's but you don't want quest or story driven xp gain, sounds to me like PvP mmo's are your thing so why start a thread bashing on games that are not pure pvp? there's no point to it m8.
I do not see a MMO based on STAR WARS being excessively popular for more than a month. Its a fun idea, but its not a lasting impression, i mean... Its freaking star wars.
Thats like making a Muppets MMO.
I just checked and see you are 22.
Which means that you weren't alive when the first Star Wars hit.
I realize that in today's day and age when one can go to the internet and be exposed to all sort of content, that Star Wars probably isn't THE coolest thing around.
But when Star wars first hit there wasn't anything remotely like it. Nothing. and because of that it inspired the imaginations of many a boy, girls and adult at the time.
Star Wars has far greater cache than you think.
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I do not see a MMO based on STAR WARS being excessively popular for more than a month. Its a fun idea, but its not a lasting impression, i mean... Its freaking star wars.
Thats like making a Muppets MMO.
Someone should make a Muppet Star Wars MMO! That would be pretty epic...
I do not see a MMO based on STAR WARS being excessively popular for more than a month. Its a fun idea, but its not a lasting impression, i mean... Its freaking star wars.
Thats like making a Muppets MMO.
Someone should make a Muppet Star Wars MMO! That would be pretty epic...
The Dark Crystal MMO
Dude, I friggin' loved The Dark Crystal. I still have the original VHS as well as the DVD.
You know what would make for a really great mmo? The Neverending Story. The world of Fantasia with a "neverending story", which is what mmos are really supposed to be in the first place.
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Sorry thought that was directed at me, my bad!
Well, to respond to your question, would I play this game if they took out the light sabres and made it a normal, original, science fiction game with the content that they've released to the public?
No.
I don't think this game has much going for it other than the fact that it's star wars.
its published direction (campaigns) and limited interactivity (in comparison to other online games) is a turn off for me.
Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.
Sorry thought that was directed at me, my bad!
Well, to respond to your question, would I play this game if they took out the light sabres and made it a normal, original, science fiction game with the content that they've released to the public?
No.
I don't think this game has much going for it other than the fact that it's star wars.
its published direction (campaigns) and limited interactivity (in comparison to other online games) is a turn off for me.
If by campaign you mean their online interactive quest system, then yeah I can understand the trepidation since we haven't seen anything like it to date. If by limited interactivity you mean and open world as any other MMO on the market, then I can understand that as well. What I'm trying to ask, is if the game is doing well, and 6 months down the line its still amazingly popular, would you consider trying it as a star wars game? I mean when WoW launched, I didn't like it at all, it became popular and eventually, I tried it... granted I never subbed past my first month, but I gave it a shot.
If not I can understand that, and not everyone will like ToR... as not everyone likes WoW (me for one). Not every game is made to suit everyone... but I think there are more people who would be willing to play a well created game nomatter the IP then those that would hold out on a good game because the IP might be "outdated" to them.
All of the Baldurs gate Series, Did they do Icewind dale? played those too...
and Dragon age... anddd neverwinter nights.. prolly some other randoms.
Baldurs gate 4 lifeee
EDIT: no, they didnt do icewind dale apparantly... at least according to wikipedias page on them, but still awesome games! woo! icewind dale 4 liffeee!
A muppets MMO would be awesome!
Just so everyone gets the facts strait please read all of what I Copied and am Pasting directly from the SWTOR
website, everything listed has been officaly confirmed by bioware
the game acts just like any other MMO that has dungen instancing.
Now to set this strait the game is open just like WOW or LOTRO this single player crap is bull
bioware is offering a two fold game. There is the Character class story arc, which is non-lineir
then there is the open world inviroment just like wow has, lots of quests and grouping if you so choose
there is no single player mode, just dungen instancing which you can form groups, teams what ever
for. the rest of the game is like WOW or LOTRO its alot of planets with a open world format you will
run into alot of other players running around doing there own thing or in groups
Here is the post from the SWTOR website
If you made it this far and actually read everything, the game is fleshing out just fine and is pretty much just like any other MMO
except it has Bioware style story telling.
I love how many people say this.
That is so beyond not the truth it's not even funny. Ignorance is not valid just because A LOT of people are.
They're making leveling/questing fun, exciting, involving and immerssive.
People whine and complain about hot horrible grinding is, then someone comes along and attempts to give you a reason to WANT to do it other than to get level capped and you BITCH and MOAN like two year olds.
The game will have all the elements of any other mmo; pvp and raiding for sure, and probably various other group activities.
I mean, they really haven't said crap about it other than that.
You're all just dumb. Stfu or educate yourselves on the small amount of information out there on it. FFS!
Playing: *sigh* back to WoW
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Not if it's anything worth playing. If it's just nice words and a disappointing game, like others we have played, then yes you are right. But doesn't have much to do with the franchise. Only maybe the numbers will be more extreme, because more people will feel attracted, but those new players won't be demanding an amazing traditional MMORPG, so they won't leave massively either.
I love how many people say this.
That is so beyond not the truth it's not even funny. Ignorance is not valid just because A LOT of people are.
They're making leveling/questing fun, exciting, involving and immerssive.
People whine and complain about hot horrible grinding is, then someone comes along and attempts to give you a reason to WANT to do it other than to get level capped and you BITCH and MOAN like two year olds.
The game will have all the elements of any other mmo; pvp and raiding for sure, and probably various other group activities.
I mean, they really haven't said crap about it other than that.
You're all just dumb. Stfu or educate yourselves on the small amount of information out there on it. FFS!
This is SO very true. Anytime a game tries to be different you get people that bitch and moan even though those same people bitch and moan constantly about how stagnant MMOs have become and how they are all the same. Some people just don't know what they really want .
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What an obvious troll 1/10
There is nothing new to see here, Bioware are just adding theire usual things from theire Singleplayer games to an MMO. Same things in an Different surrounding, will it work? Lets wait and see i guess.
I dont understand this ranking system.
If i was an obvious troll, then wouldnt i deserve a High troll ranking? having a LOW troll ranking would imply im BAD at trolling and it was hard to notice it.
I don't think im trolling, SO i thus agree with your statement.
I love how many people say this.
That is so beyond not the truth it's not even funny. Ignorance is not valid just because A LOT of people are.
They're making leveling/questing fun, exciting, involving and immerssive.
People whine and complain about hot horrible grinding is, then someone comes along and attempts to give you a reason to WANT to do it other than to get level capped and you BITCH and MOAN like two year olds.
The game will have all the elements of any other mmo; pvp and raiding for sure, and probably various other group activities.
I mean, they really haven't said crap about it other than that.
You're all just dumb. Stfu or educate yourselves on the small amount of information out there on it. FFS!
This is SO very true. Anytime a game tries to be different you get people that bitch and moan even though those same people bitch and moan constantly about how stagnant MMOs have become and how they are all the same. Some people just don't know what they really want .
We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
I love how many people say this.
That is so beyond not the truth it's not even funny. Ignorance is not valid just because A LOT of people are.
They're making leveling/questing fun, exciting, involving and immerssive.
People whine and complain about hot horrible grinding is, then someone comes along and attempts to give you a reason to WANT to do it other than to get level capped and you BITCH and MOAN like two year olds.
The game will have all the elements of any other mmo; pvp and raiding for sure, and probably various other group activities.
I mean, they really haven't said crap about it other than that.
You're all just dumb. Stfu or educate yourselves on the small amount of information out there on it. FFS!
This is SO very true. Anytime a game tries to be different you get people that bitch and moan even though those same people bitch and moan constantly about how stagnant MMOs have become and how they are all the same. Some people just don't know what they really want .
We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
There really won't be any "quest text" as far as I know, pretty sure it's going to be completely voiced over. This enhances immersion, probably why I get immersed easier in single-player games more so than these "mmo's" that are out today. No paladins in the Star Wars universe, unless you're calling force users paladins, in which case... not too smart.
We will fight creatures, droids, npc's and other players. Standard MMO features. Just because of the information, my assumptions and that the game is taking place in the Star Wars universe makes it "surpass" everything else in my case.
The Old Republic seems to be just what the doctor is ordering in my book, an interactive, immersive adventure set in the Star Wars universe. And as far as pies go, there will be no quests involving them, only galactic-sized forrays with blasters, lightsabers, aliens and well-designed planets.
I love how many people say this.
That is so beyond not the truth it's not even funny. Ignorance is not valid just because A LOT of people are.
They're making leveling/questing fun, exciting, involving and immerssive.
People whine and complain about hot horrible grinding is, then someone comes along and attempts to give you a reason to WANT to do it other than to get level capped and you BITCH and MOAN like two year olds.
The game will have all the elements of any other mmo; pvp and raiding for sure, and probably various other group activities.
I mean, they really haven't said crap about it other than that.
You're all just dumb. Stfu or educate yourselves on the small amount of information out there on it. FFS!
This is SO very true. Anytime a game tries to be different you get people that bitch and moan even though those same people bitch and moan constantly about how stagnant MMOs have become and how they are all the same. Some people just don't know what they really want .
We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
There really won't be any "quest text" as far as I know, pretty sure it's going to be completely voiced over. This enhances immersion, probably why I get immersed easier in single-player games more so than these "mmo's" that are out today. No paladins in the Star Wars universe, unless you're calling force users paladins, in which case... not too smart.
We will fight creatures, droids, npc's and other players. Standard MMO features. Just because of the information, my assumptions and that the game is taking place in the Star Wars universe makes it "surpass" everything else in my case.
The Old Republic seems to be just what the doctor is ordering in my book, an interactive, immersive adventure set in the Star Wars universe. And as far as pies go, there will be no quests involving them, only galactic-sized forrays with blasters, lightsabers, aliens and well-designed planets.
So we should play it because its NOT innovative and its EXACTLY like every other game except with voice overs and light sabers?
There comes a point when one simplifies a defintion so much that the phrase used basically loses its ability to encapsulate the definition. Like using the word "plane" to describe a Harrier Jet. Let's face it, all MMO's are built on the same foundation if you simplify and generalise enough. But those core concepts don't accurately describe each MMO thoroughly enough. Therefore, one cannot say that SWTOR is going to be exactly like every other game just because it happens to use some tried and tested concepts. After all, it makes more sense to use some of those concepts than to just conceive concepts without doing some market research. Sometimes innovation for the sake of innovation isn't the best choice.
From the website extract posted by Darkrhodes (thanks for that btw), it seems that Bioware are taking the classic concepts used in other MMO's and adding a little more flexibility in order to try to remove the "holy triage" issue that is often found in other games (in my opinion, the holy triage isn't an issue, but let's not get off topic). To me, from a financial point of view, this was probably the best move. Sure, its not radical or innovative to the point of appearing alien to its competitors, and this might indeed upset some people. And it may seem attractive to be "innovative" and such like to the point whereby a game bears little resemblance to anything else. But lets face some harsh facts, these games need money to survive. And they only get one shot at this. Unless there is a good foundation of research to suggest that there is enough custom that can be generated from being so radical, then such a venture is often deemed very risky and often leads to failure in many industries. And just because a website has some percentage that want radical innovation, that alone doesn't justify spending millions and gambling with peoples livelihoods and careers.
So, coming back to your question, the fact that it isn't exactly like every other game except with voice overs and light sabers, then perhaps one must ask ones self: should we play it because its not radically innovative? In my opinion, I'd say that SWTOR has probably the best chance to succeed out of the range of MMO's due out, and therefore definately worth my own personal time to look into it further when it releases.
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There comes a point when one simplifies a defintion so much that the phrase used basically loses its ability to encapsulate the definition. Like using the word "plane" to describe a Harrier Jet. Let's face it, all MMO's are built on the same foundation if you simplify and generalise enough. But those core concepts don't accurately describe each MMO thoroughly enough. Therefore, one cannot say that SWTOR is going to be exactly like every other game just because it happens to use some tried and tested concepts. After all, it makes more sense to use some of those concepts than to just conceive concepts without doing some market research. Sometimes innovation for the sake of innovation isn't the best choice.
From the website extract posted by Darkrhodes (thanks for that btw), it seems that Bioware are taking the classic concepts used in other MMO's and adding a little more flexibility in order to try to remove the "holy triage" issue that is often found in other games (in my opinion, the holy triage isn't an issue, but let's not get off topic). To me, from a financial point of view, this was probably the best move. Sure, its not radical or innovative to the point of appearing alien to its competitors, and this might indeed upset some people. And it may seem attractive to be "innovative" and such like to the point whereby a game bears little resemblance to anything else. But lets face some harsh facts, these games need money to survive. And they only get one shot at this. Unless there is a good foundation of research to suggest that there is enough custom that can be generated from being so radical, then such a venture is often deemed very risky and often leads to failure in many industries. And just because a website has some percentage that want radical innovation, that alone doesn't justify spending millions and gambling with peoples livelihoods and careers.
So, coming back to your question, the fact that it isn't exactly like every other game except with voice overs and light sabers, then perhaps one must ask ones self: should we play it because its not radically innovative? In my opinion, I'd say that SWTOR has probably the best chance to succeed out of the range of MMO's due out, and therefore definately worth my own personal time to look into it further when it releases.
I agree adamantly with most of what you posted.
It is a financial venture. Fundamentally it is not about what the players 'want' but what will make them money honey, if not in the long run, then the short run (in order to fund long term projects). I agree totally, this I believe they will attain at least at expectation if not beyond.
Obviously none of us can say what the revenue stream forecasts are for this project. In my opinion, they are short term in nature and the company is planning, perhaps, a larger and less niche project to fund with the proceeds from this game.
We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
And you'll get that. It's all voiced now just like it is in real life. Unless you just don't want quests period for which I say you are SOL.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
Well this is certainly a complaint I never thought I would see. You want an MMORPG that is LESS immersive? Sorry, we want to move the genre forward, not backwards.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
There are plenty of single player/online games for that. MMOs are suppose to be something more than that.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
Dude, it's freaking Star Wars. It's using lightsabers and blasters because that is the IP. Most fights in Star Wars were fast paced, random encounters which is exactly what you are getting in this game. Too make the combat different would be to break the IP and then the game would truly fail. When I play a Star Wars game, I expect it to feel like Star Wars.
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If memory serves this website also reviewed and had several articles related to Dragon Age: Origins and that game isn't an online game at all. Ironically they're both made by Bioware and so I'm guessing there may be some $$ in it down the line for ol' mmorpg.com.
We want something new that has nothing to do with quest text.
And you'll get that. It's all voiced now just like it is in real life. Unless you just don't want quests period for which I say you are SOL.
The majority of us simply don't WANT to be 'immersed' in the game to such an extent as to Don a british accent and pretend i really am a freaking Paladin.
Well this is certainly a complaint I never thought I would see. You want an MMORPG that is LESS immersive? Sorry, we want to move the genre forward, not backwards.
We just want to fight things, fight people, better ourselves at the game, and surpass all others.
There are plenty of single player/online games for that. MMOs are suppose to be something more than that.
We want something new along THESE lines, not FANCIER quests, or 'get me 5 apple PIES!" instead of simply apples.
Dude, it's freaking Star Wars. It's using lightsabers and blasters because that is the IP. Most fights in Star Wars were fast paced, random encounters which is exactly what you are getting in this game. Too make the combat different would be to break the IP and then the game would truly fail. When I play a Star Wars game, I expect it to feel like Star Wars.
Think the problem is alot of the people in mmos not forget they are mmorpgs. There should be some storyline quests. Whole game doesn't have to be a story but should be a purpose for the quest. Kind of miss the days when people played to enjoy the world and help each other and not flex there epeens.
ok so i've read whats been said and now "i don't get it".
Newmeanie, from what i've read of your posts and one in particular where you say you just want combat and to be the best i have just one thing to add to this thread, GO OUT AND PLAY PvP GAMES THEN, i mean come on m8, you want to play MMO's but you don't want quest or story driven xp gain, sounds to me like PvP mmo's are your thing so why start a thread bashing on games that are not pure pvp? there's no point to it m8.
I just checked and see you are 22.
Which means that you weren't alive when the first Star Wars hit.
I realize that in today's day and age when one can go to the internet and be exposed to all sort of content, that Star Wars probably isn't THE coolest thing around.
But when Star wars first hit there wasn't anything remotely like it. Nothing. and because of that it inspired the imaginations of many a boy, girls and adult at the time.
Star Wars has far greater cache than you think.
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Someone should make a Muppet Star Wars MMO! That would be pretty epic...
The Dark Crystal MMO
Someone should make a Muppet Star Wars MMO! That would be pretty epic...
The Dark Crystal MMO
Dude, I friggin' loved The Dark Crystal. I still have the original VHS as well as the DVD.
You know what would make for a really great mmo? The Neverending Story. The world of Fantasia with a "neverending story", which is what mmos are really supposed to be in the first place.
lol dark crystal thats 1982 or 3 maybe hollywood will remake or rebot it...