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General: Top Five Lists of 2009

StraddenStradden Managing EditorMember CommonPosts: 6,696

MMORPG.com's Jon Wood counts down the top five lists written by MMORPG.com staff members over the last year.

The List

On April 14th of this year, we kicked off a new column here at MMORPG.com, The List. To be honest, it started off as a bit of a lark, a one-off article that I thought might be fun to write, and hoped would be fun to read. I had no idea then that I would spend the rest of the year writing a list almost every week, and when I wasn't writing it, one of my colleagues was.

Fortunately, you guys seem to have enjoyed what we've written, so here at the end of a successful year for "The List," I thought it might be fun to make another list of my favorite lists, or at least the ones that I can look back on fondly. So, out of thirty, I've carefully whittled them down to five:

Read the Top Five Lists of 2009.

Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com

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  • StratfordStratford Member CommonPosts: 112

    A list of lists?  Ugh.

     

    I'll repeat here what many gamers repeat in MMORPGs: more content please.

     

    ;)

  • ElethonElethon Member UncommonPosts: 137

     If you're going to count Guild Wars as an MMO then you might as well count Diablo 3.

  • KhalathwyrKhalathwyr Member Posts: 3,138

    I think that the #1 list on this list of lists is very telling of the industry as it stands with respect to how the consumers view it. People like to pop off and state that the number of people who go to this forum and read and comment is minute compared to the overall pool of consumers. I counter that with the views expressed here are pretty much like the opinion polls taken in politics. They may be off by 1-3%, but overall they are a pulse on the MMO gamer. All of us here, except the socially challenged, go and talk to our other gaming buddies and guild members who don't come here. We talk to them, and sometimes our opinions are shaped by theirs. Then we come back here and voice those opinions.

    Mediocre at best since WoW. Yeah, I'd agree with that.

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  • LexiscatLexiscat Member Posts: 204

    Need a few more lists of lists, then you can have a list of listed lists!

     

    :)

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  • Xondar123Xondar123 Member CommonPosts: 2,543

    You guys love pushing that Wizard 101 game.

  • KhalathwyrKhalathwyr Member Posts: 3,138
    Originally posted by Xondar123


    You guys love pushing that Wizard 101 game.

     

    Dana Massey

     

    Harry Potter

    I'm just saying...they could be brothers...Dana likes the old magic and thus Wizards 101 is getting the airtime.

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  • sonoggisonoggi Member Posts: 1,119

    i disagree with your lists on page two for the most part. few major things:

    1. eve online not being on the list of best mmo's since wow. kinda funny considering it's the second best on the market right now, in terms of content, replayability, mmo-ness, graphics, subs, pvp, and so on. also the only game on the market  offering any persistency. not to mention the fact that it was a revolutionary game amidst all the fantasy garbage

    2. swtor: this isnt really an mmo as much as it is a multiplayer PVE RPG. so far, no discussion of persistency, pvp or anything mmo-related. you fanboy. same argument goes for LOTRO; it's a PVE online RPG and therefore doesnt really belong in an MMO-section.

    3. interesting how Global Agenda didnt make your list for 2012, considering it's the only unique MMO coming out and has an extremely solid foundation of core gameplay mechanics in place (as of beta),  the only foundation on the market that will offer actual persistency and balanced pvp. the beta itself is more complete than most MMO's that are out right now. and the core mechanics give the game virtually unlimited potential, kinda like EVE, but also give the game more appeal for casuals.

    and lolcraft is #1. while Cata may sport a fancy number of subs, it will be the same formula in a different package and many current WoW players will not be playing. it cant be the #1 mmo if it's not unique in some way, if it doesnt offer something refreshing. popularity is a weak measure of quality, as proven by warcrack. APB looks to be a wicked game, but again, no hints of persistency and lots of hints of repetitive and simplistic missions. it looks like GTA Online but with less depth, literally, therefore lacking mmo-ness.

    World of Darkness makes the list... despite there not being ANY public info on the game. you think it's gonna be ready in 2 years? lol. might as well nominate Planetside 2...heard they sent out a SURVEY. then you go on to names MMO's ive never heard of.

  • nottorious91nottorious91 Member Posts: 19
    Originally posted by Khalathwyr

    Originally posted by Xondar123


    You guys love pushing that Wizard 101 game.

     

    Dana Massey

     

    Harry Potter

    I'm just saying...they could be brothers...Dana likes the old magic and thus Wizards 101 is getting the airtime.

     

    Looool... yeah, the resemblance is def there :D

     

    And lists of lists... cmon...

     

    Well what can u do when nothing interesting is in the mmorpg scene nowadays

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  • DedthomDedthom Member Posts: 541

    Isn't a list of lists a sign of the end time?

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  • sanders01sanders01 Member Posts: 1,357

     Club Penguin? Seriously? I think someone is paying you guys to put that shit up there~

    Currently restarting World of Warcraft :/

  • Cik_AsalinCik_Asalin Member Posts: 3,033
    Originally posted by sanders01


     Club Penguin? Seriously? I think someone is paying you guys to put that shit up there~

     

    Is this the mmorpg.com's new years resolution? To become more of a joke with silly insight and opinions?

  • EricDanieEricDanie Member UncommonPosts: 2,238

    Am I the only one that felt a top list of lists was actually interesting to finish the year? You know, it's that time of the year that a lot of programs make a retrospective of what happened throughout the year.

    2012 is coming (okay, so is 2010, 2011, 2013, etc) , no matter what game we basically "smoke" there is no denying that evolution will continue (or start, if you consider that the current most popular MMOs aren't new, but that's how the genre works I guess, it's not about the huge initial success but rather standing the test of time, with a player base that actually grows instead of dwindling), but even if you're an ultra-100%-blind-fanboy or hater of one or more games/companies, they will also be evolving (or dying).

  • ZannonXIZannonXI Member Posts: 12

    The Five Proofs of MMORPG Evolution were:

    #5 The number of games being released ~ atm it's just dev greed, very hard to find MMORPG that was made with the love for the game..it's pure greed leading devs.



    #4 Moving beyond just RPG mechanics ~ Can they stop calling them MMO"RPG" then?



    #3 Moving beyond Fantasy ~ That's fine just make it more clear when moving a MMO out. MMOSFI, MMOFPS, etc.



    #2 Experimentation with alternate business plans



    #1 Gameplay Innovation ~ So Western quest driven grinders MMO after MMO is innovation? please. *Rolls eye

     

    MMORPG.com has not been very helpful for news lately, I'm only seeing the forums full of troll baiting and hate. no longer using this site for news. keep your trolls lawl.

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,803
    Originally posted by Dedthom


    Isn't a list of lists a sign of the end time?

     

    It is indeed. Its like reciting the last of the nine billion names of God.....

    "If you can't kill it, don't make it mad."
  • tro44_1tro44_1 Member Posts: 1,819

    WTF you put Guild Wars on there.

    Its Not a MMO

  • AndheriAndheri Member Posts: 1

    This was a disappointment because it was repetitive from many older posts that I've seen before. But it was a good summary.

     

    I defiently disagree with the last list, you can't classify it like that. What are you judging by? Graphics? Popularity? Cost? 

     

    I think #1 and 2 may be correct, saying that I've never actually played those games, but COME ON! Club Penguin is an MMO, not an MMORPG, or even so, the gameplay is far off from the recent complexity of MapleStory.  

    -Andheri

  • RespitRespit Member Posts: 770
    Originally posted by Dedthom


    Isn't a list of lists a sign of the end time?



     

    I think it is actually just a list of the lists of signs of the end time.

     

    Regardless, back to the OP.

    Personally, I enjoyed all the "Lists" throughout the year, and would be hard pressed to pick out a list of my favorite "Lists".

     

    I still find it amusing that the List opinion pieces always seemed to garner such harsh criticism, like the contributor was trying to pass thier opinion off as fact. In this regard, this final List has lived up to my expectations once again.

     

    I am looking forward to another year of List articles.

     

    Thanks and have a Happy New Year!!

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  • Bael13Bael13 Member Posts: 29

    How the Hell is Guildwars not a MMIO are you people retards or what?

    A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMOG) is a video game which is capable of supporting hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet, and feature at least one persistent world.

    MMO Massively Multiplayer Online Game

    Massively - Check

    Multiplayer - Check

    Online - Check

    Game - Check

    So tired of these WoW fanboi's that have never played Guildwars saying its not a MMO >.<

  • QualeQuale Member Posts: 105

    ROFL! Funny thread.

    Harry Pothead vs Massey. Lists of lists and the end of time.

    And was there a game on the list called Guinea Pig online or something along those lines?

    GW is not a MMO. It is too. Lovely.

  • TyphadoTyphado Member Posts: 177
    Originally posted by sonoggi


    i disagree with your lists on page two for the most part. few major things:
    1. eve online not being on the list of best mmo's since wow. kinda funny considering it's the second best on the market right now, in terms of content, replayability, mmo-ness, graphics, subs, pvp, and so on. also the only game on the market  offering any persistency. not to mention the fact that it was a revolutionary game amidst all the fantasy garbage

     

    Eve online is older than wow therefore it can't make the list of best mmo's since wow.

     

    As for this list I thought it was good, I'm relatively new to this place and I really like the lists. Most of these lists where new to me so it was good getting to see them. May disagree with some of them but for the most part I can understand where you ccoming from with the lists.

     

    Into the breach meatbags

  • ConjureOneConjureOne Member UncommonPosts: 233

    Generaly, I like Jon's articles, but this one is sh*t, mainly because I highly suspect that the games in the list were not actually "listed", but got there by who ever payed more...

    And seriously, WoW #1 game of 2012? :)

    I would bet 100$ anyday on Star Wars killing the large behemoth, which is WoW.

  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912

    Heh, nice to think about them again. I agree with LOTRO being the No 1 besides WOW. Its far from flawless, but then, what MMO is.

    And 2012... phew. It does have a correct ring to me. Could actually be true, but it's kinda saddening to think that WOW still is king of the hill and a GW follower is No 2. But I guess it can be so.

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  • Yoottos'HorgYoottos'Horg Member UncommonPosts: 297
    Originally posted by ConjureOne


    Generaly, I like Jon's articles, but this one is sh*t, mainly because I highly suspect that the games in the list were not actually "listed", but got there by who ever payed more...
    And seriously, WoW #1 game of 2012? :)
    I would bet 100$ anyday on Star Wars killing the large behemoth, which is WoW.



     

    Bet accepted! Of course you must account for inflation so I expect your 2009 $100.00 to be converted into 2012 currency. Or, if you prefer, you can pay me in Game Time for an MMO to be selected at a later date.

     

    <spits on hand and gives a firm hand shake with ConjureOne> See ya in two years!

     

    OP: Though you really do look quite similar to Harry Potter I will not hold it against you. Good list; nice end of year wrap up!

  • araenaraen Member Posts: 8

     How come lotro is #1 in mmo after wow, and it isn't even in the 2012 list? And what is in favour for GW2 before swtor?

  • VinterkrigVinterkrig Member UncommonPosts: 1,869

    worst list of lists ever

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