If the "pause button" is a problem for you, I'm sure you could get along just fine without using it. I could definitely see it being used in a tactical fashion, much the way that you might pause combat in Dragon Age to set up a strategy.
Dragon Age is a single-player game, I believe.
Having a pause button in a real-time multiplayer game is ridiculous.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
If the "pause button" is a problem for you, I'm sure you could get along just fine without using it. I could definitely see it being used in a tactical fashion, much the way that you might pause combat in Dragon Age to set up a strategy.
Dragon Age is a single-player game, I believe.
Having a pause button in a real-time multiplayer game is ridiculous.
It's not as bad as you think. If anything it allows them to make the game more challenging and tactical. Trying to control 5 characters in real-time in no muy bueno.
If the "pause button" is a problem for you, I'm sure you could get along just fine without using it. I could definitely see it being used in a tactical fashion, much the way that you might pause combat in Dragon Age to set up a strategy.
Dragon Age is a single-player game, I believe.
Having a pause button in a real-time multiplayer game is ridiculous.
as Blurr said, no-one is forcing you to use it, its only for single ground combat to allow players the choice of pausing to set up a tactic or smack the kids for annoying you.
Its about giving players CHOICES and OPTIONS, you know, the things that appeal to some players
Some of you guys are extreamly nieve and airheaded. It's no wonder why gamers are so surprised when after playing there games after 1 week they find out how much of a waste of money the game was, and how bad it is. Havin't you people learned anything from past experiances with mmo's? This game looks good, but you don't know anything until you have actually sat down and played it. Anyone can make a game look good with nice screenshots and trailers, and it continues to amaze me how gulluble gamers are and they go and waste their money on somthing they havin't even played yet or have at least waited to see the ratings on them before considering buying it, and whats even more amazing is some of you people are older people that believe in such bullshit.
The game companys love you type of gamers, because they see you as their greatest wetdream.
Originally posted by Obidom as Blurr said, no-one is forcing you to use it, its only for single ground combat to allow players the choice of pausing to set up a tactic or smack the kids for annoying you. Its about giving players CHOICES and OPTIONS, you know, the things that appeal to some players
From what I read it's for instanced PvE - which could include group content. There seems to be some dispute about whether it is available in space or not.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
It's not as bad as you think. If anything it allows them to make the game more challenging and tactical. Trying to control 5 characters in real-time in no muy bueno.
There's another point - being able to solo group content by using 4 pets. Another huge step forward for the Massively Single player Online RPG.
Let's just take out all chat functions while we are at it. No messy player interaction needed, after all.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
This game looks good, but you don't know anything until you have actually sat down and played it. Anyone can make a game look good with nice screenshots and trailers, and it continues to amaze me how gulluble gamers are and they go and waste their money on somthing they havin't even played yet or have at least waited to see the ratings on them before considering buying it, and whats even more amazing is some of you people are older people that believe in such bullshit.
I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to. STO's screenshots and trailers range from mediocre to outright poor. I'm with you on people being unable or unwilling to see hype as hype only, but it seems to me that this isn't a great example of it. Apparently, something else is attracting its following.
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"I'm one of those terrible players that ignores the story entirely by default." I stopped reading after this. I find it hard to believe this qualifies as a front page review
I stopped reading after this.
This is not a review, this is a preview, and the previewer was just telling you his preferred style of play, one that jives with a large number of MMO players out there. That's not to say that he actually ignored the story of the game, in fact he also mentions that for people who do follow the story, there are lots of references to lore and the like... so I ask you how he was actually able to convey that message if he had, in fact, ignored the story.
So, yeah. I'd just suggest comprehending a) the kind of article you're reading and b) the points being made before criticizing the text.
A lot of wether or not this game succeeds or fails will be based on how long it can keep people interested. Then again, not everyone is the same. Not everyone finds the same things interesting. I for example, cannot understand how WoW is as big as it is as that is about the most boring 'Single Player' game ever. When a game punishes you for grouping except in specific places/instances... it's not really an MMO either.
STO, like any MMO has some good and some bad. For me, I already pre-ordered a single copy but I am not even remotely pretending like this is going to be better than sliced bread. For me it comes down to enjoyment. If the combination of Space and Ground is enough to entertain me for more than 12 hours it's a net win as 6 movies cost the same as the box and a months worth of gametime.
I don't think it's going to be a fail, I don't think it's going to be a 'WoW Killer' either. No matter how many trekkies there are it's still somewhat a niche market. As for the 'review' the person not even reading storyline is a big negative for me. No wonder they get bored with stuff if they don't bother immersing themselves in the story which (Ground or Ship based) is the point of Star Trek. The story.
That said, I am glad that it isn't 'go kill ten rats' or 'go collect 5 ears' that you see so often. I am also glad it's not mindless grind like old style EQ for example. Will it be perfect? Not likely. No such thing as a perfect for everyone game. Opinions vary but one thing that never ceases to amaze me is how many people must vent their own vitriol just because they don't like something. If you don't like it, don't play it, no point in trying to stop others from trying it themselves and enjoying it.
Some of you guys are extreamly nieve and airheaded. It's no wonder why gamers are so surprised when after playing there games after 1 week they find out how much of a waste of money the game was, and how bad it is. Havin't you people learned anything from past experiances with mmo's? This game looks good, but you don't know anything until you have actually sat down and played it. Anyone can make a game look good with nice screenshots and trailers, and it continues to amaze me how gulluble gamers are and they go and waste their money on somthing they havin't even played yet or have at least waited to see the ratings on them before considering buying it, and whats even more amazing is some of you people are older people that believe in such bullshit. The game companys love you type of gamers, because they see you as their greatest wetdream.
I find your signature very ironic. Better practise what you preach.
Majority of people are pre-ordering because its a Star Trek MMO. Hell people have spent millions to collect Star Trek merchandise what is a 50 dollar game to them? will they be disappointed later? maybe or maybe not. But thats none of your business now is it? if anything STO is driven by sheer force of Star Trek fans. Its not your typical MMO release. Thus, it doesn't matter if people had bad experience with MMO in past years. When huge IP like STO is about to release such matters take back seat.
The game might suck but you have to look at it through the eyes of a Star Trek fan to understand it.
Originally posted by Obidom as Blurr said, no-one is forcing you to use it, its only for single ground combat to allow players the choice of pausing to set up a tactic or smack the kids for annoying you. Its about giving players CHOICES and OPTIONS, you know, the things that appeal to some players
From what I read it's for instanced PvE - which could include group content. There seems to be some dispute about whether it is available in space or not.
Lets just say I know better than you on this point, Dispute between who? oh thats right, the people reading about it and the people trolling the game...
I can 100% state that my statement is Correct, I am sure Jon could ask Dana to reclarify this point when the next beta session comes up, or could just ask Cyrptic to confirm, Either way i dont need it as I know.
There's another point - being able to solo group content by using 4 pets. Another huge step forward for the Massively Single player Online RPG.
Unless you want to be playing the game solo you dont have to use the BO's for Ground battles, again its about giving players choices, its merely a variation on you PC crew that you so badly want, HERE, there is an option to have a PC crew or have an NPC crew if you want to solo ground combat, so what is the problem? ok its not on a ship but HEY PC and NCP crews are in there in some form.....
Let's just take out all chat functions while we are at it. No messy player interaction needed, after all.
More accurately, why dont you try getting into Beta to actually get more of an understanding of what is actually happening in the game ATM than just trolling?
More accurately, why dont you try getting into Beta to actually get more of an understanding of what is actually happening in the game ATM than just trolling?
How do I get into beta - without being stupid enough to pre-order Champions Online?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
More accurately, why dont you try getting into Beta to actually get more of an understanding of what is actually happening in the game ATM than just trolling?
How do I get into beta - without being stupid enough to pre-order Champions Online?
There will be lots of open beta key giveaways and you can sign up for a free fileplanet account and get it that way. The first week might be paid fileplanet subscribers only but it always switches over to free subscribers for the last week. If you get a key through a giveaway it won't matter. Also you don't get STO open beta for pre-ordering champions online, you get it for pre-ordering STO. The champions online lifetime subscription was for the closed beta it wasn't the pre-order.
Opinions vary but one thing that never ceases to amaze me is how many people must vent their own vitriol just because they don't like something. If you don't like it, don't play it, no point in trying to stop others from trying it themselves and enjoying it.
There is a point to trying to keep fellow Trek fans from being duped into buying a game which will disappoint them greatly.
Tell the truth about the game (both good and bad), and then they can make an informed choice.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Opinions vary but one thing that never ceases to amaze me is how many people must vent their own vitriol just because they don't like something. If you don't like it, don't play it, no point in trying to stop others from trying it themselves and enjoying it.
There is a point to trying to keep fellow Trek fans from being duped into buying a game which will disappoint them greatly.
Tell the truth about the game (both good and bad), and then they can make an informed choice.
I had an image of 'You cant handle the Truth'
its all very good and well saying this but people are individuals, have their own opinions, you are drawing yours from 2nd/3rd hand sources, incomplete date and facts
Originally posted by Obidom I had an image of 'You cant handle the Truth'
its all very good and well saying this but people are individuals, have their own opinions, you are drawing yours from 2nd/3rd hand sources, incomplete date and facts From information released and stated by Cryptic, themselves. several of us from here are drawing ours from the source, we know whats happening, as much as we want to prove you wrong we cant, mainly because we enjoy our access to much. I've heard "I know something you don't know" before. all we can say is wait and see, this is by far one of the better Beta's I have been in, the devs are listening and the testers are feeding back
I heard that all the time from Warhammer's Beta testers. They were lying.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Originally posted by Obidom I had an image of 'You cant handle the Truth'
its all very good and well saying this but people are individuals, have their own opinions, you are drawing yours from 2nd/3rd hand sources, incomplete date and facts From information released and stated by Cryptic, themselves. as with all information released by any company, the information can then become moot as changes happen, short of having an update daily on changes I accept that this infomration may then be out of date several of us from here are drawing ours from the source, we know whats happening, as much as we want to prove you wrong we cant, mainly because we enjoy our access to much. I've heard "I know something you don't know" before. thus our information is more up todate in relevant than a Press release from last week or two months ago where the subject at hand has been amended and altered all we can say is wait and see, this is by far one of the better Beta's I have been in, the devs are listening and the testers are feeding back
I heard that all the time from Warhammer's Beta testers. They were lying.
How do I get into beta - without being stupid enough to pre-order Champions Online?
Well I put down $5 for a STO preorder at Gamestop to get into the open beta, and I hear Target has $0.99 preorder boxes that get you into OB. If the game sucks as bad as I think it's going to, I'll just cancel the preorder and get store credit for that $5. Being a huge Trek fan, I'm sure I'll be hugely disappointed in this game, and for the most part I'm just waiting for this train to derail at this point.
Keep in mind that the preview author is a self addmitted "OCD completionist" who doesn't read the in game quest content and only played the game for 20 hours (which is perhaps 3 or 4 days for the average player). Could you enjoy the game you are playing now if you played for only a few days and read none of the story content? Sounds to me like we just got a preview of what should/could be STO's free trial week, when played by a typical power leveler.
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Dragon Age is a single-player game, I believe.
Having a pause button in a real-time multiplayer game is ridiculous.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Dragon Age is a single-player game, I believe.
Having a pause button in a real-time multiplayer game is ridiculous.
It's not as bad as you think. If anything it allows them to make the game more challenging and tactical. Trying to control 5 characters in real-time in no muy bueno.
Dragon Age is a single-player game, I believe.
Having a pause button in a real-time multiplayer game is ridiculous.
as Blurr said, no-one is forcing you to use it, its only for single ground combat to allow players the choice of pausing to set up a tactic or smack the kids for annoying you.
Its about giving players CHOICES and OPTIONS, you know, the things that appeal to some players
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Some of you guys are extreamly nieve and airheaded. It's no wonder why gamers are so surprised when after playing there games after 1 week they find out how much of a waste of money the game was, and how bad it is. Havin't you people learned anything from past experiances with mmo's? This game looks good, but you don't know anything until you have actually sat down and played it. Anyone can make a game look good with nice screenshots and trailers, and it continues to amaze me how gulluble gamers are and they go and waste their money on somthing they havin't even played yet or have at least waited to see the ratings on them before considering buying it, and whats even more amazing is some of you people are older people that believe in such bullshit.
The game companys love you type of gamers, because they see you as their greatest wetdream.
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From what I read it's for instanced PvE - which could include group content. There seems to be some dispute about whether it is available in space or not.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
There's another point - being able to solo group content by using 4 pets. Another huge step forward for the Massively Single player Online RPG.
Let's just take out all chat functions while we are at it. No messy player interaction needed, after all.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Bingo.
P.T. Barnum was right.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to. STO's screenshots and trailers range from mediocre to outright poor. I'm with you on people being unable or unwilling to see hype as hype only, but it seems to me that this isn't a great example of it. Apparently, something else is attracting its following.
William Shatner's charisma.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
Illogical.
I stopped reading after this.
This is not a review, this is a preview, and the previewer was just telling you his preferred style of play, one that jives with a large number of MMO players out there. That's not to say that he actually ignored the story of the game, in fact he also mentions that for people who do follow the story, there are lots of references to lore and the like... so I ask you how he was actually able to convey that message if he had, in fact, ignored the story.
So, yeah. I'd just suggest comprehending a) the kind of article you're reading and b) the points being made before criticizing the text.
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A lot of wether or not this game succeeds or fails will be based on how long it can keep people interested. Then again, not everyone is the same. Not everyone finds the same things interesting. I for example, cannot understand how WoW is as big as it is as that is about the most boring 'Single Player' game ever. When a game punishes you for grouping except in specific places/instances... it's not really an MMO either.
STO, like any MMO has some good and some bad. For me, I already pre-ordered a single copy but I am not even remotely pretending like this is going to be better than sliced bread. For me it comes down to enjoyment. If the combination of Space and Ground is enough to entertain me for more than 12 hours it's a net win as 6 movies cost the same as the box and a months worth of gametime.
I don't think it's going to be a fail, I don't think it's going to be a 'WoW Killer' either. No matter how many trekkies there are it's still somewhat a niche market. As for the 'review' the person not even reading storyline is a big negative for me. No wonder they get bored with stuff if they don't bother immersing themselves in the story which (Ground or Ship based) is the point of Star Trek. The story.
That said, I am glad that it isn't 'go kill ten rats' or 'go collect 5 ears' that you see so often. I am also glad it's not mindless grind like old style EQ for example. Will it be perfect? Not likely. No such thing as a perfect for everyone game. Opinions vary but one thing that never ceases to amaze me is how many people must vent their own vitriol just because they don't like something. If you don't like it, don't play it, no point in trying to stop others from trying it themselves and enjoying it.
I find your signature very ironic. Better practise what you preach.
Majority of people are pre-ordering because its a Star Trek MMO. Hell people have spent millions to collect Star Trek merchandise what is a 50 dollar game to them? will they be disappointed later? maybe or maybe not. But thats none of your business now is it? if anything STO is driven by sheer force of Star Trek fans. Its not your typical MMO release. Thus, it doesn't matter if people had bad experience with MMO in past years. When huge IP like STO is about to release such matters take back seat.
The game might suck but you have to look at it through the eyes of a Star Trek fan to understand it.
From what I read it's for instanced PvE - which could include group content. There seems to be some dispute about whether it is available in space or not.
Lets just say I know better than you on this point, Dispute between who? oh thats right, the people reading about it and the people trolling the game...
I can 100% state that my statement is Correct, I am sure Jon could ask Dana to reclarify this point when the next beta session comes up, or could just ask Cyrptic to confirm, Either way i dont need it as I know.
There's another point - being able to solo group content by using 4 pets. Another huge step forward for the Massively Single player Online RPG.
Unless you want to be playing the game solo you dont have to use the BO's for Ground battles, again its about giving players choices, its merely a variation on you PC crew that you so badly want, HERE, there is an option to have a PC crew or have an NPC crew if you want to solo ground combat, so what is the problem? ok its not on a ship but HEY PC and NCP crews are in there in some form.....
Let's just take out all chat functions while we are at it. No messy player interaction needed, after all.
More accurately, why dont you try getting into Beta to actually get more of an understanding of what is actually happening in the game ATM than just trolling?
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Nice article
I am a Star Trek fan. Try looking through MY eyes.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
How do I get into beta - without being stupid enough to pre-order Champions Online?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
How do I get into beta - without being stupid enough to pre-order Champions Online?
There will be lots of open beta key giveaways and you can sign up for a free fileplanet account and get it that way. The first week might be paid fileplanet subscribers only but it always switches over to free subscribers for the last week. If you get a key through a giveaway it won't matter. Also you don't get STO open beta for pre-ordering champions online, you get it for pre-ordering STO. The champions online lifetime subscription was for the closed beta it wasn't the pre-order.
There is a point to trying to keep fellow Trek fans from being duped into buying a game which will disappoint them greatly.
Tell the truth about the game (both good and bad), and then they can make an informed choice.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
There is a point to trying to keep fellow Trek fans from being duped into buying a game which will disappoint them greatly.
Tell the truth about the game (both good and bad), and then they can make an informed choice.
I had an image of 'You cant handle the Truth'
its all very good and well saying this but people are individuals, have their own opinions, you are drawing yours from 2nd/3rd hand sources, incomplete date and facts
oh and for those of you who know
840!!!!! WTF!!!!
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I heard that all the time from Warhammer's Beta testers. They were lying.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I heard that all the time from Warhammer's Beta testers. They were lying.
WAR did truly suck though........ STO IMO doeant
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Well I put down $5 for a STO preorder at Gamestop to get into the open beta, and I hear Target has $0.99 preorder boxes that get you into OB. If the game sucks as bad as I think it's going to, I'll just cancel the preorder and get store credit for that $5. Being a huge Trek fan, I'm sure I'll be hugely disappointed in this game, and for the most part I'm just waiting for this train to derail at this point.
We'll see. If I get into open Beta. I will provide as much information as possible to let players make an informed decision on whether to buy or not.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Keep in mind that the preview author is a self addmitted "OCD completionist" who doesn't read the in game quest content and only played the game for 20 hours (which is perhaps 3 or 4 days for the average player). Could you enjoy the game you are playing now if you played for only a few days and read none of the story content? Sounds to me like we just got a preview of what should/could be STO's free trial week, when played by a typical power leveler.
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