Well, I do agree if you don't want to spend too much the 9800GT and GTS250 are in a great position right now. AMD possibly cleared out their low end inventory too quickly to make room for the low-end DX11 cards that haven't made it to the market yet. I don't think the 5750 is priced right at all, it should be a ~$130 card to compete with the GTS250 but they probably don't want to waste their limited chips at this price range currently. I think you're underestimating the speed of the 5770 though.
In xbitlab's review the 5770 actually beats the GTX260 in 7 out of 13 games at 1680x1050 and 1920x1200, losing badly in HAWX due to the engine's incompatibility with ATI's AA algorithm, and of course in Farcry 2/Crysis which always favor nVidia hardware even though noone cares about those 2 game engines except for benchmarking. At 2560x1600 the 5770 fairs even better but noone plays at that high of res on a mainstream card. Either way this is all well above the GTS250.
You have a point about the 5770 possibly being too slow to handle the enhanced graphics DX11 brings once DX11 games are out but to me since it's so close in speed to the 4870 and GTX260 and all 3 cards handle modern games plenty well there doesn't seem a point to not get the DX11 between those 3 and then add another 5770 in Crossfire if you need to later.
My comp is a intel q6600 @ 3.1Ghz air cooled no voltage step (i got lucky) gtx 260 OC evga ASUS P5N-D 750i SLI Patriot Viper 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) (this is how you get your cpu oc /o much voltage bump if any at all).
nice the q6600 is one of the best chips intel have ever made, wish i had picked up one of those instead of my e5200 when i had my last pc
i wouldn't go any lower than a gts250 personaly, i used to have one and yes they are good cards but it would make more sense to just save a bit more and get something with a bit more oomph, if he isn't bothered about dx11 maybe just a 4890 i got mine for £121
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Well, I do agree if you don't want to spend too much the 9800GT and GTS250 are in a great position right now. AMD possibly cleared out their low end inventory too quickly to make room for the low-end DX11 cards that haven't made it to the market yet. I don't think the 5750 is priced right at all, it should be a ~$130 card to compete with the GTS250 but they probably don't want to waste their limited chips at this price range currently. I think you're underestimating the speed of the 5770 though.
In xbitlab's review the 5770 actually beats the GTX260 in 7 out of 13 games at 1680x1050 and 1920x1200, losing badly in HAWX due to the engine's incompatibility with ATI's AA algorithm, and of course in Farcry 2/Crysis which always favor nVidia hardware even though noone cares about those 2 game engines except for benchmarking. At 2560x1600 the 5770 fairs even better but noone plays at that high of res on a mainstream card. Either way this is all well above the GTS250.
You have a point about the 5770 possibly being too slow to handle the enhanced graphics DX11 brings once DX11 games are out but to me since it's so close in speed to the 4870 and GTX260 and all 3 cards handle modern games plenty well there doesn't seem a point to not get the DX11 between those 3 and then add another 5770 in Crossfire if you need to later.
Well actually my reference for not needed dx 11 compatability due to lack of power was in regard to the 5750 (50); the 5770 is like $167ish which is much higher than the $90 for an off brand pny 1 gb 256 bit 250 gts
But a 5770 vs a 260 or whatever id go 5770 but thats almost double the cost of a 250.
If you loook the 5770 and 260 are pretty much up and down id rate them pretty close but i would not give an avantage to 5770, even more so when looking at it from a meta analitical way as the 4870 is better than the 5770 and then comparing all the reviews done with 4870 vs 260. AS pointed out the 5770 and 260 gtx are pretty much the same speed (7 out of 13 games favors the 5770 a bit but most review favor the 260 a bit just look them up. Anyway in one game the 260 win by a bit in another the 5770 back an forth thast pretty much what i call even). The 4870 beats the 5770 in most also but not by much I am restating this becuase follow post seemed to miss it the first time it was metioned in this post.
So basically everyone can say if you in for a$ 90-120 dollar card a gts 250 is gud.
$160-175 a 5770 is gud.
Above that is out of the scope of this topic.
PS. if you look at benches of the 5750 vs the 5770 they are rather close. But with the 5770 costing only $20-25 more why not buy a 5770.
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I think you are looking at the wrong reviews. In most reviews unless completely biased has the HD5770 performing about 5% worse then the HD4870. The GTX260 doesn't perform similarly to the HD4870. The HD4870 blows that card out of the water. The GTX275 is more in line with the performance of the HD4870. There is no direct competitor to the GTX260. It performs in between the HD4870 and HD4850 leaning closer to being in line with the HD4850.
My point on Tesselation is that its controllable, you can set it to 0 for the 100 poly object and have no difference. Its an option that allows developers to cover all modern video cards efficiently. Also if you are running with DX9 limitations on a DX11 card, you are going to be churning it out at over 480 FPS. You can take the hit by increasing the poly count, especially with ATI since their cards are designed for large poly counts.
I really fail to see why you are cringing in the face of technological advancement. The point of DX11 isn't that it does pretty things. Its a rendering API, its about how its code executes and what it can support. With that said, adoption in DX11 should be much higher then any DX API in the past because its backwards compatible. You aren't losing anything but supporting it where you do with DX10, or DX9.
At this point I have to jump onto the ATI bandwagon as well. Nvidia used to be much better but now both companies are running neck and neck performance-wise and ATI beats them out on price.
The Radeon 4870 or 5770 is the better buy at this point, only $150-$165 @ newegg.com. Much better than a lot of Nvidia offers.
Kudos to AMD for really picking up the ball. I used to be a huge Nvidia fun but now I really have to scrutinize at what I'm going to buy from Nvidia. Is it really better than what ATI is offering.
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Well, I do agree if you don't want to spend too much the 9800GT and GTS250 are in a great position right now. AMD possibly cleared out their low end inventory too quickly to make room for the low-end DX11 cards that haven't made it to the market yet. I don't think the 5750 is priced right at all, it should be a ~$130 card to compete with the GTS250 but they probably don't want to waste their limited chips at this price range currently. I think you're underestimating the speed of the 5770 though.
In xbitlab's review the 5770 actually beats the GTX260 in 7 out of 13 games at 1680x1050 and 1920x1200, losing badly in HAWX due to the engine's incompatibility with ATI's AA algorithm, and of course in Farcry 2/Crysis which always favor nVidia hardware even though noone cares about those 2 game engines except for benchmarking. At 2560x1600 the 5770 fairs even better but noone plays at that high of res on a mainstream card. Either way this is all well above the GTS250.
You have a point about the 5770 possibly being too slow to handle the enhanced graphics DX11 brings once DX11 games are out but to me since it's so close in speed to the 4870 and GTX260 and all 3 cards handle modern games plenty well there doesn't seem a point to not get the DX11 between those 3 and then add another 5770 in Crossfire if you need to later.
nice the q6600 is one of the best chips intel have ever made, wish i had picked up one of those instead of my e5200 when i had my last pc
i wouldn't go any lower than a gts250 personaly, i used to have one and yes they are good cards but it would make more sense to just save a bit more and get something with a bit more oomph, if he isn't bothered about dx11 maybe just a 4890 i got mine for £121
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Well actually my reference for not needed dx 11 compatability due to lack of power was in regard to the 5750 (50); the 5770 is like $167ish which is much higher than the $90 for an off brand pny 1 gb 256 bit 250 gts
But a 5770 vs a 260 or whatever id go 5770 but thats almost double the cost of a 250.
If you loook the 5770 and 260 are pretty much up and down id rate them pretty close but i would not give an avantage to 5770, even more so when looking at it from a meta analitical way as the 4870 is better than the 5770 and then comparing all the reviews done with 4870 vs 260. AS pointed out the 5770 and 260 gtx are pretty much the same speed (7 out of 13 games favors the 5770 a bit but most review favor the 260 a bit just look them up. Anyway in one game the 260 win by a bit in another the 5770 back an forth thast pretty much what i call even). The 4870 beats the 5770 in most also but not by much I am restating this becuase follow post seemed to miss it the first time it was metioned in this post.
So basically everyone can say if you in for a$ 90-120 dollar card a gts 250 is gud.
$160-175 a 5770 is gud.
Above that is out of the scope of this topic.
PS. if you look at benches of the 5750 vs the 5770 they are rather close. But with the 5770 costing only $20-25 more why not buy a 5770.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I think you are looking at the wrong reviews. In most reviews unless completely biased has the HD5770 performing about 5% worse then the HD4870. The GTX260 doesn't perform similarly to the HD4870. The HD4870 blows that card out of the water. The GTX275 is more in line with the performance of the HD4870. There is no direct competitor to the GTX260. It performs in between the HD4870 and HD4850 leaning closer to being in line with the HD4850.
My point on Tesselation is that its controllable, you can set it to 0 for the 100 poly object and have no difference. Its an option that allows developers to cover all modern video cards efficiently. Also if you are running with DX9 limitations on a DX11 card, you are going to be churning it out at over 480 FPS. You can take the hit by increasing the poly count, especially with ATI since their cards are designed for large poly counts.
I really fail to see why you are cringing in the face of technological advancement. The point of DX11 isn't that it does pretty things. Its a rendering API, its about how its code executes and what it can support. With that said, adoption in DX11 should be much higher then any DX API in the past because its backwards compatible. You aren't losing anything but supporting it where you do with DX10, or DX9.
At this point I have to jump onto the ATI bandwagon as well. Nvidia used to be much better but now both companies are running neck and neck performance-wise and ATI beats them out on price.
The Radeon 4870 or 5770 is the better buy at this point, only $150-$165 @ newegg.com. Much better than a lot of Nvidia offers.
Kudos to AMD for really picking up the ball. I used to be a huge Nvidia fun but now I really have to scrutinize at what I'm going to buy from Nvidia. Is it really better than what ATI is offering.
Would Ryker really say that?