It might be worth 9/10 but stability is 1/10

Mattius · January 2005

.....and thousands agree.

Its getting really really old. Constant crashes

Neas · January 2005

most people dont crash.

U tested it aint your pc which is overheating while using WOW?

I know that i moved to new accomodation and my pc was in an underventalated place (in a corner). I move it out 7 inches and i never crash now.

the Majority of people give it a nice stability.

Perhaps if you post your rig then we can see potential problems.

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Truly Loved: World of Warcraft

firemagic · January 2005

Wow... You're so upset you needlessly started a thread of your own on the subject, even though you just replied to THIS ONE.

I wish I could empathise with you but I'm among the lucky several hundred-thousand people who aren't having any problems with crashes at all.

I can't wait to see the source of your statement that "thousands" of people are affected as you are. How many thousands exactly?

I liked the bit in your other post when you threatened to switch to EQ2 though. That's like saying "If I don't get customer satisfaction THIS MINUTE, I swear I'll punch myself in the face!!"

Vepo · January 2005

Originally posted by firemagic
I liked the bit in your other post when you threatened to switch to EQ2 though. That's like saying "If I don't get customer satisfaction THIS MINUTE, I swear I'll punch myself in the face!!"

HAHAHA I loved that, had a great laugh ... almost choked on my coffee, but was still very funny.

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Mattius · January 2005

Originally posted by firemagic

Wow... You're so upset you needlessly started a thread of your own on the subject, even though you just replied to THIS ONE.
I wish I could empathise with you but I'm among the lucky several hundred-thousand people who aren't having any problems with crashes at all.
I can't wait to see the source of your statement that "thousands" of people are affected as you are. How many thousands exactly?
I liked the bit in your other post when you threatened to switch to EQ2 though. That's like saying "If I don't get customer satisfaction THIS MINUTE, I swear I'll punch myself in the face!!"

Yes there are thousands of people with basically the same crash issues, have you bothered to read the tech support forum. Oh thats right your one of the fortunate ones. Im not saying its crashing for the majority but I hold firm on the fact thousands would be effected when you consider overall sub numbers. ie close to 300k probably now.

Ya i threatened to switch. I dont expect anybody to care regardless, but when youve spent 2 months with nothing but frustration, you'd see where im coming from. In terms of slapping myself in the face.....once again many thousands of EQ2 players were disagree and throw that right back at ya.

EQ2 might have pretty high spec requirements but from what ive been told it doesnt seem to have the crash issues WoW does.

Ill say it again. IVE NEVER had any probs getting a game running, and i have pretty standard hardware. Ive been through all the "supposed" fixes and contacted tech support twice via email which lead to a few more dead ends. There are people with extremely high machines experiencing the same issues.

As with most fanboi's, faith is blind.

firemagic · January 2005

Originally posted by Mattius
Yes there are thousands of people with basically the same crash issues, have you bothered to read the tech support forum. Oh thats right your one of the fortunate ones. Im not saying its crashing for the majority but I hold firm on the fact thousands would be effected when you consider overall sub numbers. ie close to 300k probably now.
Ya i threatened to switch. I dont expect anybody to care regardless, but when youve spent 2 months with nothing but frustration, you'd see where im coming from. In terms of slapping myself in the face.....once again many thousands of EQ2 players were disagree and throw that right back at ya.
EQ2 might have pretty high spec requirements but from what ive been told it doesnt seem to have the crash issues WoW does.
Ill say it again. IVE NEVER had any probs getting a game running, and i have pretty standard hardware. Ive been through all the "supposed" fixes and contacted tech support twice via email which lead to a few more dead ends. There are people with extremely high machines experiencing the same issues.
As with most fanboi's, faith is blind.

Do you even know what a fanboy (as opposed to "fanboi" - that's the gay way to spell it) is? It's someone who buys every game a particular company makes without questioning whether it's good or bad, and that's not me because I only play the games I enjoy and I couldn't care less who makes them. You're the fourth person I've had to explain this to on these forums.

I'm sorry the game won't run on your hardware and I hope Blizzard fixes whatever's causing the problem. I hope venting your spleen on this forum helped a little.

metalfoxus · January 2005

firemagic your the fanboy here so shut up.

Yeah, my server had about 3 rollbacks in the space of half an hour last night. The game has the potential to be great, but the crappy servers are keeping it from that.

firemagic · January 2005

Originally posted by metalfoxus
firemagic your the fanboy here so shut up.Yeah, my server had about 3 rollbacks in the space of half an hour last night. The game has the potential to be great, but the crappy servers are keeping it from that.

You either didn't read or just plain misunderstood my explanation. I wasn't accusing him of being a fanboy, I was explaining what a fanboy actually is, but I wouldn't expect a simple-minded idiot of your magnitude to understand.

metalfoxus · January 2005

Your a fanboy because you wont accept Blizzards faults and blame it on other people. Server rollback? Oh, it MUST be YOUR hardware because BLIZZARD is making this game and BLIZZARD is .

firemagic · January 2005

Originally posted by metalfoxus
Your a fanboy because you wont accept Blizzards faults and blame it on other people. Server rollback? Oh, it MUST be YOUR hardware because BLIZZARD is making this game and BLIZZARD is .

I never said anything like that, idiot. Don't put words in my mouth to try and bolster your argument.

I already said to the guy that I hope Blizzard can fix the problem but you glossed over that bit didn't you, you dunce.

Vepo · January 2005

Firemagic just ignore him. He just wants you to lower yourself to his level of immaturity. You can see this as he hasn't even bothered read through whole of this thread, just bits and pieces. He then has to make things up just like you said "to try and bolster your argument".

Metalfoxus, just because someone say they hope the company that made the game to fix and bug doesn't make them a fanboy. Firemagic give the perfect example of what a fanboy is, but you just skipped through that post just to throw more insults towards Firemagic.

This is what I mean by the immature part of the whole of the gaming community. Just hope these teenagers and adults that make up this immature part of the community finally learn to grow up.

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Mattius · January 2005

(as opposed to "fanboi" - that's the gay way to spell it)

Can i just ask one question. Why is everything that is faulty in someway, typed "supposedly" incorrectly in some way, this is slang where talking about, its like "teh" and "the", a game bug, or just about anything on earth to everybody under the age of 30 "gay". lol seriously i hear it ingame chat and these forums all the time im just wondering where it came from, but it appears everything is gay, human or otherwise.

In terms of crashes, well see how it goes with the new graphics card. But ya that will be my last roll of the dice, if it doesnt fix it, ill have to move on...ive wasted too much time trying to get this game to work already. Like i say. 5+ years of playing these things, ive had to make modifications and use workarounds before but never had this volume of problems. Maybe something or somebody is trying to tell me something. Maybe fate is leading me to another mmo altogether or maybe none at all.

firemagic · January 2005

Originally posted by Mattius
(as opposed to "fanboi" - that's the gay way to spell it)
Can i just ask one question. Why is everything that is faulty in someway, typed "supposedly" incorrectly in some way, this is slang where talking about, its like "teh" and "the", a game bug, or just about anything on earth to everybody under the age of 30 "gay". lol seriously i hear it ingame chat and these forums all the time im just wondering where it came from, but it appears everything is gay, human or otherwise.
In terms of crashes, well see how it goes with the new graphics card. But ya that will be my last roll of the dice, if it doesnt fix it, ill have to move on...ive wasted too much time trying to get this game to work already. Like i say. 5+ years of playing these things, ive had to make modifications and use workarounds before but never had this volume of problems. Maybe something or somebody is trying to tell me something. Maybe fate is leading me to another mmo altogether or maybe none at all.

Well whatever happens, I wish you luck. ::::28::

Jodokai · January 2005

In case you haven't noticed yet, anything that is EXACTLY the way Firemagic thinks it should be is wrong or stupid. See my defintion of Fanboi (or Fanboy) is someone who refuses to believe that ANYTHING could possibly be wrong with a game their playing. Firemagic fits this description perfectly. Despite the THOUSANDS of posts of all the people having problems, he just thinks they're all just too stupid to use a computer. Just leave Firemagic to his illusions, even definitive proof won't shut him up.

metalfoxus · January 2005

exactly. ::::02::

Freelance · January 2005

Well man you kind of put yourself up for attack when you have been asked to put up your system specs to see if we can give you some possible help and you dont. You just keep on complaining to us without asking for help. Every mmo has a great number of people complaining about issues with games. It is extremely hard to code games that can work on all possible hardware configurations. I am willing to bet that you can goto any forum and find people complaining about crashing.

I have had problems in the past with almost every game out there at one time or another and it usually ends up being either a hardware issue(almost always memory it seems), corrupted drivers for hardware, and possible corrupted game files. As far as your crashing, might just want to make sure of the temp your pc is running at. If you log into the game and put a load on it then it is going to heat up and if not cooling properly or if it is faulty hardware then it will crash.

metalfoxus · January 2005

This isn't about crashing as much as it is about server instability. Such as constant rollbacks, lengthy server downtime, and frequent server downtime.

sygmas · January 2005

I don't often bash a game based on stability issues because they can be fixed relatively easily but. . . It's kind of funny when you have a game that takes up only 80mb RAM, looks like it was drawn with crayons, and designed several years ago in terms of graphics quality. Yet it still lags and crashes like a mofo.

Yet I play other MMOs much much much much more graphically and RAM intensive. With 500x the stability and smoothness.

Freelance · January 2005

Originally posted by Mattius

.....and thousands agree.
Its getting really really old. Constant crashes

well this is what you posted so I can only go off of that.

anyway i have had lag in ironforge but never once a rollback. What server do you play on? Is it a extremely high populated server? I just dont see all these issues that you all are seeing. I had one evening about a week or so ago where i had a hard time logging on, but that is about it. Nothing really game stopping or even disruptive in game play.

hercules · January 2005

In absense of kriminal99 , can we get the next big clown of mmorpg.com to dance for us.

Start dancing firemagic

metalfoxus · January 2005

Originally posted by Freelance
Originally posted by Mattius
.....and thousands agree.
Its getting really really old. Constant crasheswell this is what you posted so I can only go off of that.

anyway i have had lag in ironforge but never once a rollback. What server do you play on? Is it a extremely high populated server? I just dont see all these issues that you all are seeing. I had one evening about a week or so ago where i had a hard time logging on, but that is about it. Nothing really game stopping or even disruptive in game play.

I play on Arthas, a highly populated East Coast PvP server. The difference might be that my server has a higher population, but it's still shameful of Blizzard to keep doing rollbacks and 6-10 hour server downtimes. I have never crashed due to my hardware, so that is out of the question. The only time I do get booted from playing is maintinence and rollbacks.

Now, some might not find rollbacks a pain to go through, but here's an example of why they are a nuisance. Okay, I was crafting and gained atleast 8 levels in my leatherworking skill, and made about 2g from selling the crafted items. 30 seconds later a rollback occurs. I find myself in an area where i was previously grinding monsters, so i head back to town. I look in my backpack and notice that all the recepie items i used for the crafting were gone, but my money from selling them was stil there. So I think, "okay, that wasnt too bad." Then I check my skill lists, my leatherworking was missing the 8 levels i gained in it. The money was still there from selling the items, but the most important thing, the skill level, was reset back to before I crafted. With my items that i used to perform the crafting not there, I wasnt able to gain back the 8 levels. It took about an hour or so the get what I needed to gain those 8 levels back.

Yes, I was able to do everything over again, but thats not the point. The point is, my hard work was pretty much for nothing. Think of how much worse it would be for people questing? Finally getting that quest item off of the elite boss, running back to town, then on the way having a rollback. All that work of hunting down that specific monster and killing it would have been erased. It may be a minor problem for some, but most people dont like this kind of thing happening.

People always say "Oh wait a month." It's been 2 months since retail. Yes, RETAIL. Thats when you present a working program to the public. Not to sound like i think EQ2 is better than this, but EQ2 had a smaller amount of time for Beta testing then WoW and had a much more stable launch. Not to say Blizzard is a bad company, but their inexperience in the MMORPG genre is really showing.

These may be small bumps in the road when im looking back in a few months, but damn are these annoying bumps.

Mattius · January 2005

Originally posted by Freelance

Originally posted by Mattius

.....and thousands agree.
Its getting really really old. Constant crashes

well this is what you posted so I can only go off of that.

anyway i have had lag in ironforge but never once a rollback. What server do you play on? Is it a extremely high populated server? I just dont see all these issues that you all are seeing. I had one evening about a week or so ago where i had a hard time logging on, but that is about it. Nothing really game stopping or even disruptive in game play.

Ive played on Proudmore, Nerzhul, Blackrock and Spinebreaker. All are high pops with the exception of Spinebreaker. Man i would go into all the technical aspects but ive been over it so many times on the forums and with email support, i just cant be bothered anymore. The new graphics card is the last shot. It really really shouldnt be this hard to get the damn game running. Ive tried all the tips laid out by Blizzard in the tech support section, including that 10 page list of tips, editing config file etc etc.

It will work for 5 minutes or insta crash when i enter the game. Its been running like that for the last month and half since retail. OB ran smooth, no probs at all....So like many others on those tech forums, the problems arrived in that first major patch they did and it hasnt been the same since.

The new card is backordered and i wont get it for another week, but well see what happens then. Cooling aint a problem either, my case has 4 fans (Lian Li) and a brand new Antec 480w PSU.

Hypnotoad · January 2005

Lol i just love reading topics like this, its so funny reading the comments as ppl battle each other out

All glory to the Hypnotoad (monotone voices)

Johnark · January 2005

Here's what I suggest you buy as a PC:

AMD Athlon 2600+

Gigabyte Motherboard (Whatever supports the AMD Athlon 2600+)

Asus Geforce FX 5900 128MB AGP

1 gig of standard RAM in Dual Channel

Soundblaster Live Value 16

Cablemodem

Windows XP Professional + Service Pack 2

Don't install any Anti-Virus and use SP2's Firewall

Do all this and WoW will not crash. Heck, it crashed once for me ever since I bought it. I used the spell as a Hunter to become my Pet, the moment I used the spell, Windows Error, restarted the game, everything was fine.

P.S. All I know is that my Motherboard is a Gigabyte, I have no idea what model# cause I don't really care about it, and for my RAM I don't remember cause there's no Brandname sticker on the RAM itself, the name was written on the box it came with... but I can tell you right now I was aiming to buy the cheapest RAM I could find, and that's what I have...

and no crashes.

I'm really convinced it's ATI Video cards! Both my friends that own an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro and Radeon x800 have constant crashing problems. I own an nVidia Geforce and I'm never crashing.

Coincidense? I think not!!!!!!!!

Vepo · January 2005

This is the computer system I'm currently saving up to buy, but pieces of it could change depending on what I finally get the total amount of money saved.

Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Pro Edition
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 FX 55 (939PIN)
Memory: 2048Mb PC3200 DDR (400MHz)
Hard Drives: 250GB Serial ATA (150Mb/s) Ultra Fast Hard Drive
Video Card: 256MB nVIDIA GeForce FX 6800 GT - TV Out + DVI
Optical Drives: 16x DVD-ROM + SONY 16x Dual Layer DVD-Re-Writable +R/-R/RW (2 Drives)
Sound: Creative Soundblaster AUDIGY 2 ZS Platinum
Speakers: New Creative Labs Inspire T7900 - 7.1 Surround

My current system is.

Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
Processor: Intel Pentium 4 2.0Ghz
Memory: 768Mb PC 3200 DDR
Hard Drives: 80Gb Serial ATA
Video Card: 128Mb nVIDIA GeForce 4 Ti 4200 x8 AGP
Optical Drives: Not sure which make or speed, but a DVD-ROM and a CD-Re-Writable (2 Drives)
Sound: Onboard

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metalfoxus · January 2005

Originally posted by Johnark
Here's what I suggest you buy as a PC:
AMD Athlon 2600+
Gigabyte Motherboard (Whatever supports the AMD Athlon 2600+)
Asus Geforce FX 5900 128MB AGP
1 gig of standard RAM in Dual Channel
Soundblaster Live Value 16
Cablemodem
Windows XP Professional + Service Pack 2
Don't install any Anti-Virus and use SP2's Firewall
Do all this and WoW will not crash. Heck, it crashed once for me ever since I bought it. I used the spell as a Hunter to become my Pet, the moment I used the spell, Windows Error, restarted the game, everything was fine.
P.S. All I know is that my Motherboard is a Gigabyte, I have no idea what model# cause I don't really care about it, and for my RAM I don't remember cause there's no Brandname sticker on the RAM itself, the name was written on the box it came with... but I can tell you right now I was aiming to buy the cheapest RAM I could find, and that's what I have...
and no crashes.
I'm really convinced it's ATI Video cards! Both my friends that own an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro and Radeon x800 have constant crashing problems. I own an nVidia Geforce and I'm never crashing.
Coincidense? I think not!!!!!!!!

mmhmm, the fact that my server and others are having a Server Restart sure has to do with my graphics card and not Blizzard's incompetance.

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