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  • HiromantHiromant Member UncommonPosts: 99

    Don't worry, religious people, Jesus will return in your lifetime, just like he has returned in the lifetimes of all the people who've died waiting for him in the past two thousand years. The ignorance...

  • SabiancymSabiancym Member UncommonPosts: 3,150

     I like my life here.  I say when he returns we nail him again.  

  • //\//\oo//\//\oo Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,767
    Originally posted by Sabiancym


     I like my life here.  I say when he returns we nail him again.  

     

          ^

    This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.

  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396
    Originally posted by skippy23


    http://truthofgod.myfreeforum.org/The_Return_of_Jesus_Christ_about3.html

    No man nor Christ knows the hour he will return,only the father knows such things.Its prudent to believe that we don't seek his return in hast to fill our personal feeling so that all shall have a chance to know Him.

     

    Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.

  • DekronDekron Member UncommonPosts: 7,360
    Originally posted by Sabiancym


     I like my life here.  I say when he returns we nail him again.  

    I'm all for religious freedom and freedom of speech, but that was just, well, wrong. But, what can I do. It's you freedom.

  • ZindaihasZindaihas Member UncommonPosts: 3,662
    Originally posted by Sabiancym


     I like my life here.  I say when he returns we nail him again.  



     

    By then it will be too late.  The second time around he brings a sword, not humility.

  • LeKinKLeKinK Member Posts: 899
    Originally posted by Zindaihas

    Originally posted by Sabiancym


     I like my life here.  I say when he returns we nail him again.  



     

    By then it will be too late.  The second time around he brings a sword, not humility.

     

    Sounds like fun

  • TrizicTrizic Member Posts: 76
    Originally posted by Zindaihas

    Originally posted by Sabiancym


     I like my life here.  I say when he returns we nail him again.  



     

    By then it will be too late.  The second time around he brings a sword, not humility.

     

    Nail GUN > Sword

    Got to love technology

    "A stupid idea to you is the memory of a lifetime for me"

  • SabiancymSabiancym Member UncommonPosts: 3,150
    Originally posted by Dekron

    Originally posted by Sabiancym


     I like my life here.  I say when he returns we nail him again.  

    I'm all for religious freedom and freedom of speech, but that was just, well, wrong. But, what can I do. It's you freedom.

     

    If only more religious people had that attitude.

  • DekronDekron Member UncommonPosts: 7,360
    Originally posted by Sabiancym

    Originally posted by Dekron

    Originally posted by Sabiancym


     I like my life here.  I say when he returns we nail him again.  

    I'm all for religious freedom and freedom of speech, but that was just, well, wrong. But, what can I do. It's you freedom.

     

    If only more religious people had that attitude.

    I'm a Deist so I follow no religion myself [God gave man reason,. not religion], but I try to, and sometimes it is very hard to, respect other's religions. But, yeah, I get set off on certain things as anyone else, but I try not to say hateful things.

  • SabiancymSabiancym Member UncommonPosts: 3,150
    Originally posted by Dekron

    Originally posted by Sabiancym

    Originally posted by Dekron

    Originally posted by Sabiancym


     I like my life here.  I say when he returns we nail him again.  

    I'm all for religious freedom and freedom of speech, but that was just, well, wrong. But, what can I do. It's you freedom.

     

    If only more religious people had that attitude.

    I'm a Deist so I follow no religion myself [God gave man reason,. not religion], but I try to, and sometimes it is very hard to, respect other's religions. But, yeah, I get set off on certain things as anyone else, but I try not to say hateful things.

     

    As soon as the major religion in this country stops telling me that I am a sinner and am going to hell, I will stop mocking their god and saying the things that I do.  I will still believe that the people who believe in a god are ignorant, but I will keep it to myself.  As they should their beliefs.  

    The reason this is not possible becomes evident when it's time to vote.

  • DekronDekron Member UncommonPosts: 7,360
    Originally posted by Sabiancym
    As soon as the major religion in this country stops telling me that I am a sinner and am going to hell, I will stop mocking their god and saying the things that I do.


    Simple solution. Instead of stating something hateful, how about something clever, say:

    Jesus died on the cross for my sins, that is why I continue to sin. I do not wish for him to have died in vain.

  • ZindaihasZindaihas Member UncommonPosts: 3,662
    Originally posted by Sabiancym
    As soon as the major religion in this country stops telling me that I am a sinner and am going to hell, I will stop mocking their god and saying the things that I do.  I will still believe that the people who believe in a god are ignorant, but I will keep it to myself.  As they should their beliefs.  
    The reason this is not possible becomes evident when it's time to vote.



     

    Why use the actions of men as an excuse to hate God?  Humans (including Christians) are fallible, God is not.  People may look at you and say you are a sinner and going to hell.  Christ looks at you and says, "I love you and died for you."  There's nothing hateful about that.  If you wait for Christians to become perfect before you stop mocking God, you will be dead before that happens.

  • SabiancymSabiancym Member UncommonPosts: 3,150
    Originally posted by Zindaihas

    Originally posted by Sabiancym
    As soon as the major religion in this country stops telling me that I am a sinner and am going to hell, I will stop mocking their god and saying the things that I do.  I will still believe that the people who believe in a god are ignorant, but I will keep it to myself.  As they should their beliefs.  
    The reason this is not possible becomes evident when it's time to vote.



     

    Why use the actions of men as an excuse to hate God?  Humans (including Christians) are fallible, God is not.  People may look at you and say you are a sinner and going to hell.  Christ looks at you and says, "I love you and died for you."  There's nothing hateful about that.  If you wait for Christians to become perfect before you stop mocking God, you will be dead before that happens.

     

    Even if there is a god and I am completely wrong.  I want nothing to do with him.  

    If jesus himself came down to me and told me he existed I would scorn him.  So many people harmed in his name.  So many people dying while still believing, while myself a non-believer lives peacefully.  And the opposite also, so many believers rewarded while non-believers not.

     

    I want nothing to do with him/her/it.

  • JeffsJeffs Member Posts: 141
    Originally posted by Zindaihas

    Originally posted by Sabiancym
    As soon as the major religion in this country stops telling me that I am a sinner and am going to hell, I will stop mocking their god and saying the things that I do.  I will still believe that the people who believe in a god are ignorant, but I will keep it to myself.  As they should their beliefs.  
    The reason this is not possible becomes evident when it's time to vote.



     

    Why use the actions of men as an excuse to hate God?  Humans (including Christians) are fallible, God is not.  People may look at you and say you are a sinner and going to hell.  Christ looks at you and says, "I love you and died for you."  There's nothing hateful about that.  If you wait for Christians to become perfect before you stop mocking God, you will be dead before that happens.

     

    If god's not fallible then why did he trust his word to be documented, translated and spread by fallible beings?

  • WolfenprideWolfenpride Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,988
    Originally posted by Sabiancym

    Originally posted by Zindaihas

    Originally posted by Sabiancym
    As soon as the major religion in this country stops telling me that I am a sinner and am going to hell, I will stop mocking their god and saying the things that I do.  I will still believe that the people who believe in a god are ignorant, but I will keep it to myself.  As they should their beliefs.  
    The reason this is not possible becomes evident when it's time to vote.



     

    Why use the actions of men as an excuse to hate God?  Humans (including Christians) are fallible, God is not.  People may look at you and say you are a sinner and going to hell.  Christ looks at you and says, "I love you and died for you."  There's nothing hateful about that.  If you wait for Christians to become perfect before you stop mocking God, you will be dead before that happens.

     

    Even if there is a god and I am completely wrong.  I want nothing to do with him.  

    If jesus himself came down to me and told me he existed I would scorn him.  So many people harmed in his name.  So many people dying while still believing, while myself a non-believer lives peacefully.  And the opposite also, so many believers rewarded while non-believers not.

     

    I want nothing to do with him/her/it.



     

    I agree with this here post.

    Seriously if i ever saw jesus/god/allah/etc. I would give him a swift kick in the balls for everything he's done/caused/allowed to happen.

  • BigdavoBigdavo Member UncommonPosts: 1,863
    Originally posted by Wolfenpride
    I agree with this here post.
    Seriously if i ever saw jesus/god/allah/etc. I would give him a swift kick in the balls for everything he's done/caused/allowed to happen.



     

    It is impossible to have faith without that faith tested as it is impossible to experience joy without experiencing sorrow.

    Would you prefer your life more if God handed everything to you on a silver platter, a meaningless, pointless existence? Imo if God created Humans (who are obviously flawed) then everything bad that has happened on this planet can only be blamed on ourselves.

    I don't see why you would want to 'kick him in the balls', he has done nothing, caused nothing (except our creation) and allowed things to happen because otherwise existence would be pointless with an omnipotent, guiding hand.

    PS: I'm agnostic btw, I just like to see things from both sides of the fence. To me atheism is far more ignorant than deism, it's pretentious because it has 100% no proof.

    O_o o_O

  • JeffsJeffs Member Posts: 141
    Originally posted by Bigdavo

     


    To me atheism is far more ignorant than deism, it's pretentious because it has 100% no proof.

     

    I think the problem here is you are using the idea of a god who simply started the universe and a personal god as interchangable ideas. They are not the same thing. Any rational person would never outright deny any possibility of there having been some self aware entity that created the universe because then the burden of proof would indeed be on the Atheist who claims to know facts regarding a field currently untouchable by science.

    However, when religions and various holy books claim there is a personal god who looks like us, hates homosexuality, listens to prayers, creates miracles or built the Earth less than 10,000 years ago in 6 days the burden of proof is upon those with extraordinary claims. As there is no evidence from a scientific perspective all these claims are quite reasonably denied.

  • BigdavoBigdavo Member UncommonPosts: 1,863
    Originally posted by Jeffs

    Originally posted by Bigdavo

     


    To me atheism is far more ignorant than deism, it's pretentious because it has 100% no proof.

     

    I think the problem here is you are using the idea of a god who simply started the universe and a personal god as interchangable ideas. They are not the same thing. Any rational person would never outright deny any possibility of there having been some self aware entity that created the universe because then the burden of proof would indeed be on the Atheist who claims to know facts regarding a field currently untouchable by science.

    However, when religions and various holy books claim there is a personal god who looks like us, hates homosexuality, listens to prayers, creates miracles or built the Earth less than 10,000 years ago in 6 days the burden of proof is upon those with extraordinary claims. As there is no evidence from a scientific perspective all these claims are quite reasonably denied.

    Good point and I agree with everything you've said. Atheism, creationism, personal gods; to believe in one outright is foolishness, it's irrational to place belief in something with no proof, just as it is irrational to outright deny a belief with no proof. It's simple logic really.

    O_o o_O

  • WolfenprideWolfenpride Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,988
    Originally posted by Bigdavo

    Originally posted by Wolfenpride
    I agree with this here post.
    Seriously if i ever saw jesus/god/allah/etc. I would give him a swift kick in the balls for everything he's done/caused/allowed to happen.



     

    It is impossible to have faith without that faith tested as it is impossible to experience joy without experiencing sorrow.

    Would you prefer your life more if God handed everything to you on a silver platter, a meaningless, pointless existence? Imo if God created Humans (who are obviously flawed) then everything bad that has happened on this planet can only be blamed on ourselves.

    I don't see why you would want to 'kick him in the balls', he has done nothing, caused nothing (except our creation) and allowed things to happen because otherwise existence would be pointless with an omnipotent, guiding hand.

    PS: I'm agnostic btw, I just like to see things from both sides of the fence. To me atheism is far more ignorant than deism, it's pretentious because it has 100% no proof.



     

    Yes, I would prefer that kind of existence, because to me joy isn't worth the sorrow that comes along with it, never has been and never will be as far as im concerned.

    So regardless, I would still proceed to kick him in the balls without hesitation.

    If their a way I could get back at humanity entirely I would do so as well, but I obviously can't. I'm still in the works of brainstorming ideas to accomplish this however..

    edit: I totally understand what your saying, however this is just me. If theirs a god, i hate him. I would do everything I could to get back at him given the chance.

  • ZindaihasZindaihas Member UncommonPosts: 3,662
    Originally posted by Jeffs

    Originally posted by Zindaihas

     

    Why use the actions of men as an excuse to hate God?  Humans (including Christians) are fallible, God is not.  People may look at you and say you are a sinner and going to hell.  Christ looks at you and says, "I love you and died for you."  There's nothing hateful about that.  If you wait for Christians to become perfect before you stop mocking God, you will be dead before that happens.

     If god's not fallible then why did he trust his word to be documented, translated and spread by fallible beings?



     

    Interesting question.  There's a verse that reads, "without faith it is impossible to please God" (Hebrews 11:6).  Well what faith would be required if He spoonfed us His Word?  By instead passing it down to mankind thousands of years ago and entrusting us to keep it alive, the responsibility falls on us to investigate its claims and decide for ourselves whether to accept or reject it.  That's faith.

    From my perspective, the human race is the focal point of a spiritual war.  The first shot was fired with the fall of man.  God gave us the opportunity to have a relationship with Him, but instead we gave God the finger.  The epitome of freewill.  But there were consequences for that decision.  God turned us over to our own selfish desires, which has been a pretty bad thing in overall scheme of things.

    There's a passage in the Book of Romans which sums it up quite well.  "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that men are without excuse.  For even though they knew God they neither honored Him as God nor gave thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish hearts were darkened.  Professing to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.  Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts..." (Romans 1:20-24)

    Basically, God withdrew from the world and left us to our own devices.  Yet at the same time, He already had a plan in place to reconcile us to Him.  Imagine if you had children who wanted nothing to do with you.  Would you not let them go their own way?  But, after having left you, they realized they had made a mistake and desired to return to you, would you not welcome them back?

    So despite withdrawing, in this war for men and women's souls, God established a beachhead on the earth.  He found a righteous man by the name of Abraham.  Abraham was a sinner, just like the rest of us, but he trusted and obeyed God.  That's what made him righteous.  God rewarded Abraham by making him into a great nation.  The nation of Israel.  It was through Israel that God put his plan to save humanity into motion.  He began by giving mankind His Word.  The Old Testament.  It was the responsibility of the kings and priests and scribes of Israel to keep God's Word alive from generation to generation.  In an effort nothing short of miraculous, the Word survived.  It survived the destruction of the nation of Israel and exile of her people to Babylon.  It survived the occupation of the land of Judea by the Persians, the Greeks and the Romans.

    But that was only one part of the plan.  God's Word foretold of the coming of a savior who would rescue the human race. He waited while mankind advanced to the point where news of this savior could spread quickly throughout the world.  That's what was accomplished by the Roman Empire.  A large portion of the earth's population was united under a single kingdom.  It's lands were connected by the most sophisticated road system in the world up to that time.  It was a relatively well-educated society by ancient standards.  It was a society that was generally tolerant of peoples' faiths (that is until this particular one was viewed as a threat to the emperor's power).  So it was at this point that God put the final part of His plan into motion.

    Isn't it curious that Christ was born into the world at the beginning of the Pax Romana?  A time when the Roman Empire enjoyed its first real peace in centuries.  Another factor which allowed the gospel of Christ to spread quickly and easily.

    So you see, even remarkable things can be accomplished through a fallible race.

  • XemousXemous Member Posts: 255

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  • XemousXemous Member Posts: 255
    Originally posted by Wolfenpride

    Originally posted by Sabiancym

    Originally posted by Zindaihas

    Originally posted by Sabiancym
    As soon as the major religion in this country stops telling me that I am a sinner and am going to hell, I will stop mocking their god and saying the things that I do.  I will still believe that the people who believe in a god are ignorant, but I will keep it to myself.  As they should their beliefs.  
    The reason this is not possible becomes evident when it's time to vote.



     

    Why use the actions of men as an excuse to hate God?  Humans (including Christians) are fallible, God is not.  People may look at you and say you are a sinner and going to hell.  Christ looks at you and says, "I love you and died for you."  There's nothing hateful about that.  If you wait for Christians to become perfect before you stop mocking God, you will be dead before that happens.

     

    Even if there is a god and I am completely wrong.  I want nothing to do with him.  

    If jesus himself came down to me and told me he existed I would scorn him.  So many people harmed in his name.  So many people dying while still believing, while myself a non-believer lives peacefully.  And the opposite also, so many believers rewarded while non-believers not.

     

    I want nothing to do with him/her/it.



     

    I agree with this here post.

    Seriously if i ever saw jesus/god/allah/etc. I would give him a swift kick in the balls for everything he's done/caused/allowed to happen.

     

    That doesnt make sense.  If there were a God, then the only thing he would of created were these bodies and this universe through whatever method.  Everything else is left up to us.  I guess he doesnt exist because he doesnt magically appear when something bad happens and puts a stop to it.  If you wana blame him for something blame him for creating man and giving us life.

    To the person you quoted, the God of the bible isnt the only God people believe in lol. Your assuming that if God did exist he would be the same God image of the bible or another dogma.

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