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My graphics card is lacking, do you still want my subscription money?
matthewf978
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I have a computer that is...dated to say the least. Even when I set most modern mmorpgs to minimal settings I still have at least 300ms latency. I realize that bandwidth from Internet Service Provider can have a large impact. I wonder why more of the big name game providers don't make third party applications known for access to their games. Further, I think that they would stand to make a profit if they wrote a third party application independently to configure a low-end computer to operate with their game. Does anyone know of software that can tone down the pixel shaders and clipping plane(etc) that works in between the device driver and the application layer? I don't understand why it should be a difficult thing to do, why not simply drop packets? Or perhaps it is complicated because the objects being sent by the server are too composite to decompose for a reasonable screening of pixels.
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.......Go wash cars for a month, and buy a 1000 comp. problem solved.
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You really do have no clue what you are talking about, do you? I don't even know what to clarify with how much is wrong here. (I still don't know if you want a better FPS or better latency).
Just as with console games ..where a new Xbox is released every 3 years. It is expected that PC gamers must upgrade their systems with a similar frequency.
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You're confusing latency and framerate.
The graphics hardware your computer has will limit its ability to render and display complex graphics, and this will result in a framerate drop when a lot is happening on the screen. This is measured in FPS, or frames-per-second. Most games have some sort of command to display the framerate on the screen.
Latency is based on your internet connection and the server(s) you're connecting to.
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Wash your own car you lazy bum.
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If you had to spend 1,000 for a decent gaming comp, I would say you have other problems that need solving.
And bottom line, there has to be a limit where developers say "thats it" and move forward. If development held itself back for every scruffy man running win3.1 with supervga, our games would still look like they did in the late 80s/early 90s.
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Wash your own car you lazy bum.
Mathew, just buy a new computer. Heck, if it's that bad you can get one used that should do the trick or one of the premade lower lvl models.
even if you have to save up a bit it will be well worth it.
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Hmm, the FPS is proportional to some function of the latency. Nope, I don't know what I am talking about. That MUST be it.,,
Don't worry though Nadril, I will educate you.
FPS is frames per second and has to do with graphics rendering. More FPS is more smooth rendering.
Latency increases as messages between server and client increases.
Higher latency very likely is related to graphics rendering in the sense that the server is providing information about how and/or where to render objects on the client side. I specifically mentioned an improvement between the device driver layer and application layer; that is nowhere near the Internet layer.
I would tell you to go re-read the texts, but I doubt you ever researched the facts in the first place.
Compared to single player games most MMO's have low requirements. Someone mentioned $1000 but i would bet you could run most MMO's with an off the shelf computer from best buy. Granted you wont run some of them but most. My grandsons are running Aion and WOW on a Best Buy laptop they paid around $500 for.
Hmm, the FPS is proportional to some function of the latency. Nope, I don't know what I am talking about. That MUST be it.,,
Don't worry though Nadril, I will educate you.
FPS is frames per second and has to do with graphics rendering. More FPS is more smooth rendering.
Latency increases as messages between server and client increases.
Higher latency very likely is related to graphics rendering in the sense that the server is providing information about how and/or where to render objects on the client side. I specifically mentioned an improvement between the device driver layer and application layer; that is nowhere near the Internet layer.
I would tell you to go re-read the texts, but I doubt you ever researched the facts in the first place.
This is an ISP issue and should have no bearing on your graphics card. FPS and latency are independent of each other.
The sooner you realize you have no clue what you're talking about, the sooner you have a possibility of learning something useful. Anyways, a number of developers do aim at at the bottom line of computers you can expect to be on desks these days.
yawn @ ;OP...latency is nothing more than the time in which packets go round trip between the client and server...which IS independent of FPS. if latency had a direct correlation with frames per second, we would all throw out our GPUs and get killer NICs for online games.
There's something to be said for keeping system reqs low...but really, if some people had their way the top of the line would still be Geforce 4s because they don't want to spend the money to upgrade.
Never buy brand-name, pre-fab computers like Dell, HP, Compaq, Gateway, or even Alienware.
(Unless it's a laptop, in which case you have little choice, but I plead no comment on laptops as gaming machines.)
Instead, go to a full-service local computer repair shop, tell them you want a new gaming computer, let them know what your budget is, then discuss which parts they should order for the computer you want. They'll tell you the pros and cons of various motherboards, GPUs, hard drives, cooling systems, how it all fits together, and so on and so forth.
Because computer repair shops have to know how to order parts and build a PC literally from the ground up, they can also build you a new one quite easily. Unless you know how to order the right parts and build your PC yourself, this is the cheapest and most effective way to get a gaming PC. They'll usually charge only factory price for all the parts, and a modest fee (anywhere from $50-$150) for the labor.
Upgrade this computer once every two years. If you start with a mid-range PC, upgrade it twice before replacing. If you start with a high-end PC, you can get away with three upgrades before replacing.
-- If you cannot afford to do this, you have no business bitching to developers about system requirements. Period. --
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No. Then we'd lose about 2/3's of the MMORPG readership. ^^ Seriously, hardware has become ever less expensive. If your system is port limited(say AGP) you may have rather limited upgrade options.
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There is no susch thing as a third party application that will make a game run better. If the game is running bad due to your system throwing another program on top of the game will just make the game run slower. Now you have two programs running stressing out your system memory and processor even more. There is just no way to do what the OP is asking, even if that is his problem.
What you need to do is buy more RAM, upgrade your video card and/or maybe your processor and motherboard. If you have a built in video card definitely upgrade that, those are usually crap. You can also buy expensive ass network cards that supposedly tag the strain of your CPU and reduce lag but I have heard mixed reviews on those.
Problem is by the time you upgrade all that its usually cheaper to buy a new comp.
When you buy a new comp make sure you buy from a trusted place that will explain to you what the numbers mean. Too many people buy some expensive computers that really aren't that good.
No - N.... O...
Let me say this again ----- NO
If you can't build a computer on your own, do not have someone else build it for you unless you want to pay a crapload of money down the road.
Why...? because if something goes wrong with the computer you have no one to take it to and have to dish out money for every repair.
At least with brand name products you get a year warranty and the ability to buy long term coverage. I know people think warranties are evil but after working in computer repair for as long as I have I think you are a moron if you don't have some sort of insurance, especially if you can't troubleshoot a computer on your own.
I feel so bad when someone comes in with a computer a friend built for them only a few months ago and I have to charge them to repair it.
I know some places that build computers for you offer insurance but make sure to read the fine print and understand what you are getting yourself into.
But as a general rule buy a brand name computer unless you know what you are doing. For the most part you'll be saving yourself money and a lot of trouble down the road.
I don't know why you're all arguing with him... he's not looking for advice or help... he just wants to rant.
lol guys, you all should stop arguing about these stuff. .
Wash your own car you lazy bum.
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Well, I personally CAN build a computer on my own. I learned how to do it while I was an avionics technician in the Air Force, which I can safely say is a bit more illustrious than working in a repair shop. With the right tools and a wiring diagram, I could assemble a motherboard from its base components. So you aren't an authority, and there's no need to speak down to me like a child. Your opinion is your opinion.
Your faith in your own line of work is sadly lacking. Personally, I find that human computer repair technicians are far more reliable than the robots / assembly line workers who put Dell (and et al) computers together. You're less likely to have an issue to begin with if you're part of the process yourself.
Also, if you actually WERE a computer repair technician, you'd know that many computer parts come with their own individual warranties. So in the event that you do need repairs, the replaced part will often be free, and repair centers don't charge outrageous fees.
The last fee I paid to my preferred repair shop? $35 for manpower only. The capacitors had popped on my motherboard, which was still under warranty. I was unable to diagnose the problem at home because the computer simply shut down one day, and I don't have a spare motherboard to swap out for troubleshooting purposes.
Compared to the huge markup on pre-fab, brand-name computers, the occasional reasonable repair fee is nothing. And there's no "insurance" needed, you can get factory parts that are warrantied by the manufacturer.
I couldn't disagree more if someone is a gamer, even a new gamer. This is how people end up overpaying for outdated graphics cards and other low-quality components, when they could pay the same price for far better hardware by going to a repair shop in the first place.
Perhaps the repair shops you're familiar with suck, but mine is excellent. They helped me revamp my cooling system six months ago, with excellent results.
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A gamer who doesnt keep his machine up to date is like a soldier who doesnt clean his gun...
Sure it will work most of the time, but eventually its going to jam, and you are going to be fucked.
Its not hard to keep your computer up to date, learn to build them yourself,, then you will know what will eventually need to be upgraded when, and then you only have to concider doing upgrades part by part and not have to buy an entirely new machine. Computers arent rocket science, if you can read, and have opposable thumbs you can build them.
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