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Brits to Put Cameras in Private Homes

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  • kazmokazmo Member Posts: 715

    I saw this on a somwhat-fringe conspiracy tracking site, I noted it, thought it was rather out there and didn't bother looking into the sources.



    I really don't know what to say. I mean, this is utter insanity... What kind of fucking parent would bring a CCTV government surveillance system into their home, honestly? 



    Edit: This warrants a little more looking into, even though I'm not in the UK. Obviously there is par for concern if it's starting to hit standard publications. Definitely worth the attention..

  • TrizicTrizic Member Posts: 76

    That is just disturbing...

    "A stupid idea to you is the memory of a lifetime for me"

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by aeroplane22


    I saw this on a somwhat-fringe conspiracy tracking site, I noted it, thought it was rather out there and didn't bother looking into the sources.



    I really don't know what to say. I mean, this is utter insanity... What kind of fucking parent would bring a CCTV government surveillance system into their home, honestly? 



    Edit: This warrants a little more looking into, even though I'm not in the UK. Obviously there is par for concern if it's starting to hit standard publications. Definitely worth the attention..

     

    Wired is usually a good source. I hope to God it's BS Conspiracy crap, but I don't think it is.

  • HYPERI0NHYPERI0N Member Posts: 3,515

    If this was true im sure that certain local papers would have picked up on this by now.

    Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981

  • kazmokazmo Member Posts: 715
    Originally posted by HYPERI0N


    If this was true im sure that certain local papers would have picked up on this by now.

     

    I wouldn't live by that philosophy if I were you.

  • PrecusorPrecusor Member UncommonPosts: 3,589

    England used to be a cool country.. now its just a failed state with retarded leftists in power.

  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698

    It does appear to be too little and way too late.  The U.K. has no Constitution, and anything that Parliament passes is considered to be the supreme law.   The success of monitoring people's travel habits, reading license plates, and mass surveillance is without question an enormous success in promoting the safety, health, and welfare of the American people.  We ought to consider expanding this surveillance here in the states.

     

     

    People come from troubled homes and have troubled parents.  It is crucial that we be able to monitor what goes on in the home to intervene to correct the bad behavior.

     

     

    It is common sense; it is a common safety concern.

  • ZindaihasZindaihas Member UncommonPosts: 3,662
    Originally posted by Precusor


    That country is a pathetic joke.



     

    I'm an absolute Anglophile, but some of the things that country is doing are downright scary.  And possibly a foreshadowing of what's to come in the US.

  • sephersepher Member Posts: 3,561

    http://twitter.com/edballsmp/status/3124025586

    Move along, nothing to see here.

  • SabiancymSabiancym Member UncommonPosts: 3,150

     If true, and not 100% voluntary, it's completely insane.

     

    The article is rather short, so I'm guessing we're not getting the whole story, but in the context it is in it is messed up.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562

    Another source:

     

    www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736

    Edit: Not "another source," but the original source. Thanks Sepher.

  • PrecusorPrecusor Member UncommonPosts: 3,589

    More British stupidity.

    Three female police officers were ordered to dress up as Muslim women for the day just to see what it felt like.

    They wore traditional burkhas as part of a scheme designed to help police interact better with the Islamic community.

    Read more:www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1204037/Police-exercise-labelled-gimmick-officers-spend-day-dressed-burkhas.html

  • sephersepher Member Posts: 3,561
    Originally posted by Fishermage


    Another source:
     
    www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736



     

    That isn't "another source", that's the source of the article you originally linked, and has already been disputed by Ed Balls outright via his Twitter account: 



     

     

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by sepher

    Originally posted by Fishermage


    Another source:
     
    www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736



     

    That isn't "another source", that's the source of the article you originally linked, and has already been disputed by Ed Balls outright via his Twitter account: 



     

     

     

    I stand corrected. However, we'll see how it pans out. Huff post is reporting it is if it is true as well (again all from the same stories). Now Balls is denying it. We'll see.

    So far it seems as if it was something they were trying to do, planned to do, but are now backing off on it. I hope that is the case.

     

    EDIT: Meaning I hope it was never true; or if it was, they backed off.

  • SabiancymSabiancym Member UncommonPosts: 3,150
    Originally posted by sepher

    Originally posted by Fishermage


    Another source:
     
    www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736



     

    That isn't "another source", that's the source of the article you originally linked, and has already been disputed by Ed Balls outright via his Twitter account: 



     

     

     

    That's good to hear.  I doubted the story from the beginning.

    Not saying him saying it's false makes it so, but I'm sure we'll get more detail sooner or later.

     

    Of course the usuals on this board will just deem it a cover up and that they really are doing it.  No matter how much proof is shown to prove their not.

  • popinjaypopinjay Member Posts: 6,539


    Originally posted by Sabiancym
    Originally posted by sepher
    Originally posted by Fishermage Another source:
     
    www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736

     
    That isn't "another source", that's the source of the article you originally linked, and has already been disputed by Ed Balls outright via his Twitter account: 


     
     



     
    That's good to hear.  I doubted the story from the beginning.
    Not saying him saying it's false makes it so, but I'm sure we'll get more detail sooner or later.
     
    Of course the usuals on this board will just deem it a cover up and that they really are doing it.  No matter how much proof is shown to prove their not.


    A funny thread pretty much dispelled by of all things, twitter.


    Got to laugh at that.

  • kazmokazmo Member Posts: 715
    Originally posted by popinjay


     

    Originally posted by Sabiancym


    Originally posted by sepher


    Originally posted by Fishermage
     
    Another source:

     

    www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736



     

     

    That isn't "another source", that's the source of the article you originally linked, and has already been disputed by Ed Balls outright via his Twitter account: 



     

     





     

    That's good to hear.  I doubted the story from the beginning.

    Not saying him saying it's false makes it so, but I'm sure we'll get more detail sooner or later.

     

    Of course the usuals on this board will just deem it a cover up and that they really are doing it.  No matter how much proof is shown to prove their not.

     

     



    A funny thread pretty much dispelled by of all things, twitter.

     



    Got to laugh at that.



    Eh, doesn't necessarily mean it's "dispelled". This is how politicians play their game. Maybe it was true in the beginning, maybe they still want to pursue it in the future.. definitely wouldn't rule that out.



    At the very least, I would say they were testing the waters.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by aeroplane22

    Originally posted by popinjay


     

    Originally posted by Sabiancym


    Originally posted by sepher


    Originally posted by Fishermage
     
    Another source:

     

    www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736



     

     

    That isn't "another source", that's the source of the article you originally linked, and has already been disputed by Ed Balls outright via his Twitter account: 



     

     





     

    That's good to hear.  I doubted the story from the beginning.

    Not saying him saying it's false makes it so, but I'm sure we'll get more detail sooner or later.

     

    Of course the usuals on this board will just deem it a cover up and that they really are doing it.  No matter how much proof is shown to prove their not.

     

     



    A funny thread pretty much dispelled by of all things, twitter.

     



    Got to laugh at that.



    Eh, doesn't necessarily mean it's "dispelled". This is how politicians play their game. Maybe it was true in the beginning, maybe they still want to pursue it in the future.. definitely wouldn't rule that out.



    At the very least, I would say they were testing the waters.

     

    Heck either way this is one of the many times I am overjoyed to be proven wrong

  • Scubie67Scubie67 Member UncommonPosts: 462

     

     

  • popinjaypopinjay Member Posts: 6,539


    Originally posted by aeroplane22

    Eh, doesn't necessarily mean it's "dispelled". This is how politicians play their game. Maybe it was true in the beginning, maybe they still want to pursue it in the future.. definitely wouldn't rule that out.

    At the very least, I would say they were testing the waters.


    Doesn't sound like a game to me.

    The guy said there are no cameras. I really don't know what you expect other than.. heck, I don't know, lol. You think he's going to come out later and say "Psych your mind! We are putting cameras in!" or something?


    You don't know it wasn't true in the beginning, you are just speculating and spitballing. Rumors happen all the time (Obama's not a citizen) then the guy says "Here.. proof." and people still say "That's just games politicians play."


    Your "maybes" should stay hidden when people directly address a rumor. And until its found that there is proof of an actual plan somewhere, that's what it is.

    Maybe.


  • kazmokazmo Member Posts: 715
    Originally posted by popinjay


     

    Originally posted by aeroplane22
     
    Eh, doesn't necessarily mean it's "dispelled". This is how politicians play their game. Maybe it was true in the beginning, maybe they still want to pursue it in the future.. definitely wouldn't rule that out.
    At the very least, I would say they were testing the waters.

     

    Doesn't sound like a game to me.

     

    The guy said there are no cameras. I really don't know what you expect other than.. heck, I don't know, lol. You think he's going to come out later and say "Psych your mind! We are putting cameras in!" or something?

     



    You don't know it wasn't true in the beginning, you are just speculating and spitballing. Rumors happen all the time (Obama's not a citizen) then the guy says "Here.. proof." and people still say "That's just games politicians play."

     



    Your "maybes" should stay hidden when people directly address a rumor. And until its found that there is proof of an actual plan somewhere, that's what it is.

     

    Maybe.

     

     

    There have been several articles on the subject, popinjay. I don't see why you are arrogantly refuting it. The notion wasn't just "made the fuck up" by some fringe conspiracy. It's on several publications, including Wired.. I'm pretty sure they got information from somewhere.



    Yeah, I'm speculating.. imagine that. Trying to figure out where the articles got their roots.. jeez, I'm just a regular fool for even thinking about it huh?



    I never said he was going to pull a "Psych! Fooled you!" I'm simply saying that the CCTV notion came from somewhere, and maybe they are quickly dismissing it out of public backlash. Politicians do this.. I don't see how you can deny it like that.



    Do me a favor, next time you start a "trash the Right-wing" political thread, try not to speculate with any "maybe this" or "maybe that" or "what ifs"..  Which is.. basically what you always do.

  • popinjaypopinjay Member Posts: 6,539


    Originally posted by aeroplane22
    Originally posted by popinjay  

    Originally posted by aeroplane22
     
    Eh, doesn't necessarily mean it's "dispelled". This is how politicians play their game. Maybe it was true in the beginning, maybe they still want to pursue it in the future.. definitely wouldn't rule that out.
    At the very least, I would say they were testing the waters.
     
    Doesn't sound like a game to me.
     
    The guy said there are no cameras. I really don't know what you expect other than.. heck, I don't know, lol. You think he's going to come out later and say "Psych your mind! We are putting cameras in!" or something?
     

    You don't know it wasn't true in the beginning, you are just speculating and spitballing. Rumors happen all the time (Obama's not a citizen) then the guy says "Here.. proof." and people still say "That's just games politicians play."
     

    Your "maybes" should stay hidden when people directly address a rumor. And until its found that there is proof of an actual plan somewhere, that's what it is.
     
    Maybe.
     
     



    There have been several articles on the subject, popinjay. I don't see why you are arrogantly refuting it. The notion wasn't just "made the fuck up" by some fringe conspiracy. It's on several publications, including Wired.. I'm pretty sure they got information from somewhere.

    Yeah, I'm speculating.. imagine that. Trying to figure out where the articles got their roots.. jeez, I'm just a regular fool for even thinking about it huh?

    I never said he was going to pull a "Psych! Fooled you!" I'm simply saying that the CCTV notion came from somewhere, and maybe they are quickly dismissing it out of public backlash. Politicians do this.. I don't see how you can deny it like that.

    Do me a favor, next time you start a "trash the Right-wing" political thread, try not to speculate with any "maybe this" or "maybe that" or "what ifs"..  Which is.. basically what you always do.


    There have been several articles on Obama's "non citizenship" too. There have been several articles that lizardmen are secretly running the heads of the Bush/Royal families. There have been articles that the government started AIDS. I'm sure there's a basis for that too, right? Because.. some people wrote "articles", lol.


    The guy said they aren't doing it. I don't know what more you want him to say other than "Well open up the files and let everyone look into MI-5". Stop feeding the nonsense just like you did with the Birthers.


  • kazmokazmo Member Posts: 715
    Originally posted by popinjay


     

    Originally posted by aeroplane22


    Originally posted by popinjay
     
     





    Originally posted by aeroplane22

     

    Eh, doesn't necessarily mean it's "dispelled". This is how politicians play their game. Maybe it was true in the beginning, maybe they still want to pursue it in the future.. definitely wouldn't rule that out.

    At the very least, I would say they were testing the waters.

     
     



     

    Doesn't sound like a game to me.

     

    The guy said there are no cameras. I really don't know what you expect other than.. heck, I don't know, lol. You think he's going to come out later and say "Psych your mind! We are putting cameras in!" or something?

     

     

    You don't know it wasn't true in the beginning, you are just speculating and spitballing. Rumors happen all the time (Obama's not a citizen) then the guy says "Here.. proof." and people still say "That's just games politicians play."

     

    Your "maybes" should stay hidden when people directly address a rumor. And until its found that there is proof of an actual plan somewhere, that's what it is.

     

    Maybe.

     

     





    There have been several articles on the subject, popinjay. I don't see why you are arrogantly refuting it. The notion wasn't just "made the fuck up" by some fringe conspiracy. It's on several publications, including Wired.. I'm pretty sure they got information from somewhere.

     

    Yeah, I'm speculating.. imagine that. Trying to figure out where the articles got their roots.. jeez, I'm just a regular fool for even thinking about it huh?

    I never said he was going to pull a "Psych! Fooled you!" I'm simply saying that the CCTV notion came from somewhere, and maybe they are quickly dismissing it out of public backlash. Politicians do this.. I don't see how you can deny it like that.

    Do me a favor, next time you start a "trash the Right-wing" political thread, try not to speculate with any "maybe this" or "maybe that" or "what ifs"..  Which is.. basically what you always do.


     

    There have been several articles on Obama's "non citizenship" too. There have been several articles that lizardmen are secretly running the heads of the Bush/Royal families. There have been articles that the government started AIDS. I'm sure there's a basis for that too, right? Because.. some people wrote "articles", lol.

     



    The guy said they aren't doing it. I don't know what more you want him to say other than "Well open up the files and let everyone look into MI-5". Stop feeding the nonsense just like you did with the Birthers.

     

     

     

    Excuse me? Where the hell do you get off saying this has anything to do with the birthers? I've never believed in the birth certificate thing, I took it with a grain of salt and watched from the outside looking in.



    Lizardmen.. lol



    Government aids.. lol



    This is the worst straw man ever.



    I speculated on this story because CCTV is pretty damn common in the UK these days. So anything CCTV and surveillance along with the UK is going to catch my attention as something possibly legitimate.



    As for your claim on "The guy said they aren't doing it" so therefore it must be false, is poor logic, at best. Some examples :

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    "Read my lips, no new taxes."  - George H.W. Bush , 1988

    "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false."  - Bill Clinton , 1998

    "The senator has his facts wrong. I have never suggested that there was a connection between 9/11 and Iraq." - Dick Cheney , 2004

    "We don't homosexuals in Iran, like in your country. We don't have that here." - Ahmadinejad , 2007

    "People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I'm not a crook." - Richard Nixon, 1974



    Etc. Etc. Etc.



    Well, I guess since the politician "said so", it's a closed case, right?

     

     

  • JeffsJeffs Member Posts: 141

    Ahhh this makes a lot of sense. They told me they were putting up lights but said I wasn't allowed to touch them or cover them. I guess I should have put two and two together when they took my children away after they skipped breakfast.

  • baffbaff Member Posts: 9,457
    Originally posted by sepher

    Originally posted by Fishermage


    Another source:
     
    www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736



     

    That isn't "another source", that's the source of the article you originally linked, and has already been disputed by Ed Balls outright via his Twitter account: 



     

     



     

    Who cares what Ed Balls disputes?  He gets paid to lie to us.

     

    Certainly the part of this story where they get school parents to sign a charter agreeing to make their kids behave at school once a year and that they are legally to be held responsable for the behaviour of their children has been on all the news channels and in the daily newspapers last week.

    Putting CCTV's in the homes of problem families wouldn't suprise me, there has abeen a long string of child murders in families that have been on the social services watch list recently.

     

    This is however "expected news". This is not current law nor is it even proposed law, it is "expected to be proposed law".

     

    I wouldn't be so quick to take expected news seriously if I were you.

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