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  • dirtyjoe78dirtyjoe78 Member Posts: 400

    To be fair L2 is a much different beast than any other game it is aimed at hardcore grinding there is not a lot of room for the casual player in that game.  The economy of L2 catered to bots and botters making items super rare from the beginning and having to invest hundreds of hours for minimal gain.  That type of gaming environment does not cater to anything but hardcore time investment while most do not find this entertaining some do.  Drop rates for everything were minimal having several characters and accounts was the norm when i played.  Lack of GM's seemed to be part of the problem i dont think that i ever interacted with one in 2.5 years of playing or even saw one. 

    Aion is a much different gaming environment money drops and item drops are not nearly as rare there are quests taht actually give you usefull xp and items where as L2 there was none of that for years.  I do not see botting becomming a really huge issue in aion due to the fact that leveling is a lot easier as well s item production and item drops being much much better than L2.  Having played both aion and L2 i can say that comparing the two is like comparing mud and pudding they may look similar in some cases but they have very different tastes.

  • MirrimMirrim Member Posts: 143

    For everyone who hates botting (I sure do!), just report and then kill them (repeatedly if possible). Between NCSoftWest and player harrassment against the bots, it could make it much more difficult for them. Although this won't rid the game of what is likely inevitable, it will raise the goldsellers' costs of doing business and give us the satisfaction of pking the cretins.

    Also, grouping up and attacking mobs may make it difficul for them to get loot rights on the mobs too.

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  • Electro057Electro057 Member UncommonPosts: 683
    Originally posted by Mirrim


    For everyone who hates botting (I sure do!), just report and then kill them (repeatedly if possible). Between NCSoftWest and player harrassment against the bots, it could make it much more difficult for them. Although this won't rid the game of what is likely inevitable, it will raise the goldsellers' costs of doing business and give us the satisfaction of pking the cretins.
    Also, grouping up and attacking mobs may make it difficul for them to get loot rights on the mobs too.

     

    I think we should make an official guild >like GM run< per server called "The Bot Rapers" that does as the title says ^.^ An has a weekly pay, it would make the server feel more alive and you could have a shot at a real employment opportunity......on that note why don't MMOs have company endorsed guilds that act as an ingame faction? You could even have evil chars and an underground dealer sort of guild system >;-}

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  • LocklainLocklain Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by Mirrim


    For everyone who hates botting (I sure do!), just report and then kill them (repeatedly if possible). Between NCSoftWest and player harrassment against the bots, it could make it much more difficult for them. Although this won't rid the game of what is likely inevitable, it will raise the goldsellers' costs of doing business and give us the satisfaction of pking the cretins.
    Also, grouping up and attacking mobs may make it difficul for them to get loot rights on the mobs too.

    If I remember right, this was tried in Lineage 2.  The outcome was that the farmers made an alliance of their own quickly dispatching any who moved into their area and were quite good at blocking off raid areas.

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  • Electro057Electro057 Member UncommonPosts: 683
    Originally posted by Locklain

    Originally posted by Mirrim


    For everyone who hates botting (I sure do!), just report and then kill them (repeatedly if possible). Between NCSoftWest and player harrassment against the bots, it could make it much more difficult for them. Although this won't rid the game of what is likely inevitable, it will raise the goldsellers' costs of doing business and give us the satisfaction of pking the cretins.
    Also, grouping up and attacking mobs may make it difficul for them to get loot rights on the mobs too.

    If I remember right, this was tried in Lineage 2.  The outcome was that the farmers made an alliance of their own quickly dispatching any who moved into their area and were quite good at blocking off raid areas.

     

    So no anti-bot guild then?

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  • LocklainLocklain Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by Electro057

    Originally posted by Locklain

    Originally posted by Mirrim


    For everyone who hates botting (I sure do!), just report and then kill them (repeatedly if possible). Between NCSoftWest and player harrassment against the bots, it could make it much more difficult for them. Although this won't rid the game of what is likely inevitable, it will raise the goldsellers' costs of doing business and give us the satisfaction of pking the cretins.
    Also, grouping up and attacking mobs may make it difficul for them to get loot rights on the mobs too.

    If I remember right, this was tried in Lineage 2.  The outcome was that the farmers made an alliance of their own quickly dispatching any who moved into their area and were quite good at blocking off raid areas.

     

    So no anti-bot guild then?

    Oh heck yeah!  Just because the bots would become organized doesn't mean that it wouldn't be fun until they figure it out.

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  • Electro057Electro057 Member UncommonPosts: 683
    Originally posted by Locklain

    Originally posted by Electro057

    Originally posted by Locklain

    Originally posted by Mirrim


    For everyone who hates botting (I sure do!), just report and then kill them (repeatedly if possible). Between NCSoftWest and player harrassment against the bots, it could make it much more difficult for them. Although this won't rid the game of what is likely inevitable, it will raise the goldsellers' costs of doing business and give us the satisfaction of pking the cretins.
    Also, grouping up and attacking mobs may make it difficul for them to get loot rights on the mobs too.

    If I remember right, this was tried in Lineage 2.  The outcome was that the farmers made an alliance of their own quickly dispatching any who moved into their area and were quite good at blocking off raid areas.

     

    So no anti-bot guild then?

    Oh heck yeah!  Just because the bots would become organized doesn't mean that it wouldn't be fun until they figure it out.

     

    Woot! I'm in for it then! And I wonder why WoW doesn't have so many bots........visually at least......I've never gotten a gold spam or seen one, and I've been playing for near 5 years......

     

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  • CoffeeGruntCoffeeGrunt Member Posts: 192

    well if theres a known Bot  issue in the game and if they neglect it like they did in LA2 (and somehow from what iknow from my NCSOFT expirience ) , im possitive that this title will hit rock bottom within 2 month after release .

    NCSOFT seems to miss the point that most NA /EUROPEAN  players do care  bout those Bot n hack issues , and that they actualy see them as a major hinder in their gameplay . But well  youll see all at release , hope it wont be the same infested desaster like in LA2 or SRO ,, but well lol im 89% sure it will happen.

    NC had  years of expirience with LA2 and its bot shit ....seems they still didnt intent to interfere with this problem with Aion..

    F**k the good graphics ...

    ill give it  hype for the   first  2 month after release , after that it will be another 'nuked into oblivion title'

  • dirtyjoe78dirtyjoe78 Member Posts: 400
    Originally posted by Locklain

    Originally posted by Mirrim


    For everyone who hates botting (I sure do!), just report and then kill them (repeatedly if possible). Between NCSoftWest and player harrassment against the bots, it could make it much more difficult for them. Although this won't rid the game of what is likely inevitable, it will raise the goldsellers' costs of doing business and give us the satisfaction of pking the cretins.
    Also, grouping up and attacking mobs may make it difficul for them to get loot rights on the mobs too.

    If I remember right, this was tried in Lineage 2.  The outcome was that the farmers made an alliance of their own quickly dispatching any who moved into their area and were quite good at blocking off raid areas.



     

    HAHA i remember this it was a huge problem on Erica the farmers would gather to farm the raid bosses we would show up to beat them down but god help you if you were the first to flag because they would all instantly target you and you would get nuked into oblivion not much that protects you from 15 storm screamers nuking the bejesus out of you.

  • CoffeeGruntCoffeeGrunt Member Posts: 192

    if a player community  just take Bot'ers and hackers as  an unavoidable pest and start living aside of em

    just for the sake of playing,  i tell you goodn8 youre a milking cow of  the company  thats laughing at you

  • TwystedWizTwystedWiz Member UncommonPosts: 175
    Originally posted by templarga


    Lineage 2 also had a zero-tolerance policy and we all know how that worked.
    All games say they have a zero-tolerance policy so I could care less what they say, I want to see them put the policy into actions and work aggressively against botters/farmers.



     

    The botters worst enemy should be the players.  Don't wait for "them" to do something, YOU do something.

    I don't consider myself a vigilante but when I see botters and/or gold farmers I do whatever I can to interfere with what they are doing.  There are way more players than CS agents, we, as a community, need to be more involved and less complacent. 

     

  • LocklainLocklain Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by TwystedWiz

    Originally posted by templarga


    Lineage 2 also had a zero-tolerance policy and we all know how that worked.
    All games say they have a zero-tolerance policy so I could care less what they say, I want to see them put the policy into actions and work aggressively against botters/farmers.



     

    The botters worst enemy should be the players.  Don't wait for "them" to do something, YOU do something.

    I don't consider myself a vigilante but when I see botters and/or gold farmers I do whatever I can to interfere with what they are doing.  There are way more players than CS agents, we, as a community, need to be more involved and less complacent. 

     

    As I explained in an earlier post, that didn't work out very well in Lineage 2 either.  There are only two ways to get rid of botters; break the fingers of everyone that buys from them or have NCsoft ban all accounts affiliated with a botter.  No amount of interference from the players will do anything.

     

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  • JetrpgJetrpg Member UncommonPosts: 2,347
    Originally posted by GoldenDog


    As the Koren player KillKill2 said,
    I'm ok with a limited amount of botting.  All games have this issue and it's practically impossible to catch every account as it's created; they also keep the economy moving by lessoning the cost of raw materials.  An active player is going to charge you a lot more for the boring harvest of 1000 plants.
     
    Overabundance of botting is another issue though.  I don't want them killing off the quest mobs day after day...  If there's a few bots in Aion it's not going to ruin my party, as long as NCSoft keeps them from being the player trains they were in L2. 

    WAR killed most of theirs, wow has some but they get banned.

    AO has some but you cannot catch them.

    Don't see them in lotro.

    So it can be done all ncsoft has to do is ban them, everytime. After a year they stop comming.

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  • gaeanprayergaeanprayer Member UncommonPosts: 2,341

    Um, you guys realize you can't kill your own faction right? So bots outside of the Abyss would be untouchable for you. Bots INSIDE of the Abyss would likely also be untouchable, since in order to bot inside the Abyss you'd need great gear and a lot of automated back-up, which is the only way you could survive in there away from your computer.

    I guarantee you, "bot hunting" in Aion is not going to be an easy task, and in some places it's literally an impossible one. It's better to hope for few bots if any, than to assume you can just kill them off.

    Cuz, you won't be able to.

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  • supbrosupbro Member Posts: 327

    Actually no, you can enter enemy territory after lvl 20 via rifts to gank people/bots. Also if their farming the Abyss its an open pvp area so their fair game aswell. Bots will not stand a chance once the pvp players find their grind locations.

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  • mackdawg19mackdawg19 Member UncommonPosts: 842
    Originally posted by gaeanprayer


    Um, you guys realize you can't kill your own faction right? So bots outside of the Abyss would be untouchable for you. Bots INSIDE of the Abyss would likely also be untouchable, since in order to bot inside the Abyss you'd need great gear and a lot of automated back-up, which is the only way you could survive in there away from your computer.
    I guarantee you, "bot hunting" in Aion is not going to be an easy task, and in some places it's literally an impossible one. It's better to hope for few bots if any, than to assume you can just kill them off.
    Cuz, you won't be able to.

     

    You can train mobs on people. Reminds me of the good ole EQ days .... =)

  • AseenusAseenus Member UncommonPosts: 1,844

    All I can say is dont worry too much, If you see bots and hackers walking around just spam every single forum and send a million messages to the GM's in the end they will fix it :)

     

  • ElliasEllias Member Posts: 52

    Isn't this what the infamous GameGuard is supposed to prevent?... ...

  • gaeanprayergaeanprayer Member UncommonPosts: 2,341
    Originally posted by supbro


    Actually no, you can enter enemy territory after lvl 20 via rifts to gank people/bots. Also if their farming the Abyss its an open pvp area so their fair game aswell. Bots will not stand a chance once the pvp players find their grind locations.

     

    You're not quite getting what I'm saying. There are videos of entire clans of bots farming together, where attacking one makes all of them swarm you. I didn't say you couldn't attack them, I said you couldn't win.

    Fortunately, this is only in C-Aion (almost feel bad for them) so I don't see that happening here. As for rifts, bots will typically team while farming so you'll need to go through rifts with a team to take them down, except in very low-level areas which you, as an opposite faction, do NOT have access to. Everything is zoned, so in order to get to those areas you'd need a teleporter, and getting anywhere near an NPC of the opposite faction = you dying very quickly without a good team. Don't even try to enter a town, you'll literally be dead before you know what hit you.

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  • FinfidFinfid Member UncommonPosts: 14

    I played in the last beta, and just out of curiousity, I wrote some very simple kill/loot macros using an off the shelf macro tool. Aion actually makes it super easy to accomplish this. The controls allowed for looting and targeting etc lend themselves to macroing (and full on botting as well). I managed to level a toon from 1-10 overnight with only a few prods from the keyboard. It made me very sad, as this is something I personally destest. When a game actually facilitates the use of macros and bots I usually choose not to play. Soo, unless they implement some major changes to the game interface I don't thinks this problem going away, and any server you choose will more then likely be a Bot-haven, thus ruining the RPG experience.

     

    p.s. the whole player store thing is annoying as hell too. They should restrict where people can set up shop. When I teleported my first time out of the starter zone, expecting to see something new and amazing, all I saw was a sea of charactor merchants. Talk about lame.

  • RuckupRuckup Member Posts: 111

    Unless you have played Lineage 2 at High levels you simpy will not understand.  Everything you guys have mentioned WAS and still is done buy those very, very few legits that still remain.  NCsoft are masters of the tounge, they say one thing and do the other or nothing at all.  When L2 began the leveling was hard yes, it was not impossible, but hard.  The longer the game was around the higher they kept raising there levels and compounding XP reqs until any normal player simply could not keep up with the botters, even people that played 20 hrs a day.  More and more legits started to bot, at first they were shunned by the community but not for long as more became botters themselves until a time came when teh bots controlled every server and every majo alliance that existed on all servers.  The ecomomy raged out of control to the point where you had to buy adnea period to play the game.  To put it into perspective a set of S Grade armor in lineage 2 costs around 1 Billion adena thats like $350.00 USD, Weapon was even higher and people pay this.  Boss jewels are up to $4,000K USD and people pay this....... don't you get it yet people AION will be no differnet they wil get you hooked then start the Asin grinder BS, the Bot is available at gogygo.se go see it and read the posts for yourself.  I personaly believe that the company itself is behind alot of the bots but that's speculation at best.  

    Botter companies make up at least 2 million PAID accounts for NCSOFT so they will not BAN them unless it is a non factor toon.  Heroes in L2 were never banned, where known botters, you could go see them anytime day or night at thier spots.   Spam did ban a few of of them but they were all given thier accounts back buy "someone higer".

    As players have said you cannot fight the BOTs if you kill 1 they come back with 10 if you come with 100 they come with 200, it is a business to them and a way of life and why I will never play a Ncsoft game again.  I am HBSR from Sieghart and Elvandar from SWG Starsider..... you will never beat the cheaters.

  • NazradinNazradin Member Posts: 24
    Originally posted by gaeanprayer


    China's ideology on botting is vastly different from ours, and there's also IP restriction for Aion where I don't believe there was for Lineage. You can't even purchase the US version if you're not in the US, and same for the EU version, so that will make it more difficult for asian/S.American bot-fiends to fill the servers (and no, I'm not saying all botters are Asian or Brazillian but, let's be real, most are).
     



     

     You really shouldnt post such BS info, there is no such limitation on purchasing or playing AION

  • NadrilNadril Member Posts: 1,276


    Originally posted by Nazradin
    Originally posted by gaeanprayer China's ideology on botting is vastly different from ours, and there's also IP restriction for Aion where I don't believe there was for Lineage. You can't even purchase the US version if you're not in the US, and same for the EU version, so that will make it more difficult for asian/S.American bot-fiends to fill the servers (and no, I'm not saying all botters are Asian or Brazillian but, let's be real, most are).
     

     
     You really shouldnt post such BS info, there is no such limitation on purchasing or playing AION


    Are you retarded or maybe just dense.


    There will be IP blocks in place and there already are restrictions for buying it.

  • Lord_IxiganLord_Ixigan Member Posts: 548
    Originally posted by Forumfall


    Botting will happen. Sure sure the community managers are making big promises but the reality will look different.
    Then again let botters bot and enjoy the game for what it has.



     

    No, simply no.

    That's like saying let hackers hack and enjoy playing the game their way. Let gold farmers farm gold and control prices. So on and so forth.

    It's a completely ass backwards way of viewing things. People try to use the old, "I don't have a lot of time to play, so I have to bot to compete."

    Well, clearly you have a busy life, so why would you waste your money to let a program play your game for you? In many instances you not only have to pay a monthly fee to the company that owns the game, but then ANOTHER monthly fee to whichever group owns the bot program to use that. So you have a busy life, that you're going to make more busy by working more to pay for a program that plays another program you also paid and continue to pay for. It's just a freaking game, if you can't enjoy just logging in for whatever time you have to level then I have to wonder what your malfunction is.

    The only time I even remotely condone botting is in instances like L2 where EVERYBODY freaking bots and if you don't bot you're secrewed. Even then I just suggest not playing the game because it's clearly broken.

     

    Bottom line: Botting is retarded and mostly done by farmers in order to illegally make money off of someone else's work. Gold selling companies in Asia have been known to have ties with organized crime, believe it or not.

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