Diplomacy/politics?

tvalentine · June 2009

someone told me that when you declare war on a clan, you cannot attack them unless they declare war back ..... is this true? If it is, it makes no sense whatsover, and it gives alot of room for a clan to never go to war just because they dont want to war dec a bigger clan back ...... This feels like a big hole in what could be a great game.

Raven · June 2009

You can attack a clan without declaring war on them, the same way you can attack a clan if you declare war on them but they dont declare back, the system is the same as Lineage 2, which is to prevent a clan declaring war on every single clan because they can and just go on a rampage without any consequence, if you just kill someone without any reason (in game mechanic that allows it) then you get a murder count (PK) , if you declare war on a clan and they dont declare back then I believe (and i read this somehwere on the MO forums) you will get a "half way" penalty, so you might get a murder count but it wont be a so harsh penalty, if both clans are at war then its free game no downside for each side killing.

This may seem restrictive but I actually agree, its the same as scheduled sieges they need to happen otherwise the game just turns into a gankfest with only a handfull of peopel able to stand up and use the game mechanics, there should be mechanics so people think of the consequences of just killing people.

Situation: "Player A encounters Player B while travelling in the wilderness"

No muder count or consequences:

Player A just looks at his armor and thinks he has the upper hand and simply starts running and bashing against player B just for a chance of getting whatever items he has on him, there is no consequence and player A doesnt really care or know about player B.

With muder consequence:

Player A looks at player B, would this guy be really worth a muder count, Player A thinks he has the upper hand and would easily kill him, which would pose no challenge , but he probably isnt carrying anything of value for him, nor does Player A has any grudge against player B, player A goes on his way and greets player B as he goes past him.

Obviously these are general situations, ofc player A could be just a thieve waiting for someone to rob and muder, but in general people wont just randomly kill when there is some sort of consequence to it, unless ofc there is a strong reason beyond, "i just found this guy on the road".

This is a bit beyond te scope of this thread but I just thought I would elaborate a litle bit. Ofc I dunno how much of this system will actually be in game but this is the sort of system I would liek to be part of and what I have been able to understand from the scattered information on the MO forums.

tvalentine · June 2009

Originally posted by rav3n2

You can attack a clan without declaring war on them, the same way you can attack a clan if you declare war on them but they dont declare back, the system is the same as Lineage 2, which is to prevent a clan declaring war on every single clan because they can and just go on a rampage without any consequence, if you just kill someone without any reason (in game mechanic that allows it) then you get a murder count (PK) , if you declare war on a clan and they dont declare back then I believe (and i read this somehwere on the MO forums) you will get a "half way" penalty, so you might get a murder count but it wont be a so harsh penalty, if both clans are at war then its free game no downside for each side killing.
This may seem restrictive but I actually agree, its the same as scheduled sieges they need to happen otherwise the game just turns into a gankfest with only a handfull of peopel able to stand up and use the game mechanics, there should be mechanics so people think of the consequences of just killing people.

that is a shame to hear. TBH i would have went the EVE route of declaring war to stopping guilds from declaring war on everyone. And i already know of the consequences and murder system, i was just curious about clans declaring war on each other. It is really discouraging to hear they are taking such a unrealistic look at war decs like this.

Raven · June 2009

No one is really stopping you from going there and kill the other clan even without a war declaration.

TBF if this turns out to be like Darkfall and everyone is just running around in groups killing everything that moves on sight I will simply not play it, im all for FFA PVP, but I dont want counter strike, I want to play a good medieval world simulation, where ppl wont just slaughter eachother randomly, for this to happen there needs to be mechanics to not encourage this unless there is a greater reason.

Without any consequences or any restrictions, then trading wont develop between cities becuase they will always be at war, and constantly under siege, just because well they can, people wont build cities and cities wont expand because there will always be someone at war with everyone because they can. This is not the type of game I want to play.

Batak_Killer · June 2009

Originally posted by rav3n2

No one is really stopping you from going there and kill the other clan even without a war declaration.
TBF if this turns out to be like Darkfall and everyone is just running around in groups killing everything that moves on sight I will simply not play it, im all for FFA PVP, but I dont want counter strike, I want to play a good medieval world simulation, where ppl wont just slaughter eachother randomly, for this to happen there needs to be mechanics to not encourage this unless there is a greater reason.
Without any consequences or any restrictions, then trading wont develop between cities becuase they will always be at war, and constantly under siege, just because well they can, people wont build cities and cities wont expand because there will always be someone at war with everyone because they can. This is not the type of game I want to play.

/agree. /thread

tvalentine · June 2009

Originally posted by rav3n2

No one is really stopping you from going there and kill the other clan even without a war declaration.
TBF if this turns out to be like Darkfall and everyone is just running around in groups killing everything that moves on sight I will simply not play it, im all for FFA PVP, but I dont want counter strike, I want to play a good medieval world simulation, where ppl wont just slaughter eachother randomly, for this to happen there needs to be mechanics to not encourage this unless there is a greater reason.
Without any consequences or any restrictions, then trading wont develop between cities becuase they will always be at war, and constantly under siege, just because well they can, people wont build cities and cities wont expand because there will always be someone at war with everyone because they can. This is not the type of game I want to play.

tbh being broke with no money is a much harsher consequence then being red. It also helps stabilize the economy for if/when there is too much gold in the game.

DarkPony · June 2009