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Runes of Magic is so obviously NOT a grinder. It's built around story-driven quests and daily quests.
The game is actually anti-grind. My guild mates and I had talked about it one day, and the game seems to almost punish you for trying to grind. You could do it if you want, but the way the game is built you never ever have to grind.
The other thing I wanted to comment on the post above me.
I read a lot of analytical reports: those boring business memorandums that I'm sure 99% of ppl don't read.
5 years ago they did a census and study, and released a report about Blizzard, the makers of World of Warcraft.
They said behind everything, behind the entire game, at the core is that Blizzard built the game as a 1-player game. Now I know it doesn't exactly mean the same as solo, but for most ppl's meaning of the word "solo" I think it is interesting to point this out.
Just One MMOre
???????? hunh?
The daily quests are; go kill 25 of this and get back to me. Some story there. It's a grind. It's content is lame, blah blah blah. There is no shortage of folks who have played this ripoff and complained. That should be enough for any observer to beware, despite the couple who constantly say it ain't so.
It is true that up to level 50 there are loads of quests to do which give you really big xp rewards, you will advance in the game a lot faster with quests instead without them.
But there is one point that players should not forget, when you reach lvl 50 and you did do your quests to reach this level you have just enough talent points to max 4 skills (or you just distribute them for more skills but with lower level).
After you reached lvl 50 you dont stop gaining talent points and you will farm for them, either with daily quests or just from killing mobs.
Therefore it is wrong to say that no grind exist in this game since the grind for talent points farming starts when you maxed your character level, so we need to be honest here.
Iam not sure how long it would take to max all your skills for your first character, maybe someone else can comment here.
???????? hunh?
The daily quests are; go kill 25 of this and get back to me. Some story there. It's a grind. It's content is lame, blah blah blah. There is no shortage of folks who have played this ripoff and complained. That should be enough for any observer to beware, despite the couple who constantly say it ain't so.
This is the second time you've helped me Joe, thx.
As for the grinding up to lvl 50 using quests. They are not all kill quests(and killing quests do not =grind, by the way)
RoM has your standard mix of basic quest types
And within those types, there are differences(I.E. some kill quests are kill 10, 15, or 20; some delivery quests are harder going longer distance through dangerous areas for it's lvl, and some are shorter easier trips)
And seriously, come on....everyone knows this(because it is obvious) RoM is the best Free 2 Play MMO that exists right now. If you know of one better, by all means tell me(I'm always looking for more fun games).
Just One MMOre
Yeah, when I think of "grind" I think of Everquest circa 1999, when there was basically no other way to level except for killing mobs...over and over and over again ad infinitum. I imagine things have changed in EQ these days, but boy, in the beginning it was rough.
RoM is nothing like that. Nothing. I'm only up to lvl 20/15 right now, but so far I haven't been forced to grind hardly at all. There are tons of quests, and yes, some of them are 'kill 12 wild boars" quests, but the thing is, those 12 are the only 12 you ever have to kill. There's always some other quest to do instead if you don't like wild boars...well, with one caveat, that is: I'm a solo player and soloing quest bosses is so tough I pretty much just skip over those quests, which means I need to make up that exp by grinding a little. But it's never a lot, and so far I haven't felt the least bit resentful about it. In fact, ironically enough, I kind of enjoy it as a welcome break from questing
On the other hand, I'm just a PvE player, so I'm not desperate to earn tokens and all that crap you other guys need in order to buy equipment from the shop. That means I only do dailies when I feel like it. Also, as I said, I'm a solo player, with no interest in grouping, and this game is extremely solo-friendly. I'm a scout/priest dual class, which allows me to have awesome ranged attacks (the priest contributes here, too) and be able to heal myself in battle when the mobs get up close and personal. It's just awesome. Also, I can focus all my skill points on my solo skills and completely ignore the group heals and stuff since I don't intend to use them. I've never played a game where that was possible before.
So I love this game. I didn't play in the beta--obviously, I've only just started--and I don't know how things were before the so-called "nerf," but I haven't found a single thing to complain about so far. But then I'm not some spoiled brat with an inadequate upbringing who gets something for free and then has the nerve to complain about it and call the gift-giver names, either.
Some ancient cultures used to worship cats as gods. Cats have never forgotten this.
Oh, I wanted to add, that even if you find yourself needing a bit of XP grinded to get to the next lvl of available quests, RoM has done a fantastic job of giving players an alternate source or reason that helps take the grind out of the grind.
I'm talking about selling daily quest drops in the Auction House. So if you find or self stuck, just kill 2 birds with one stone, and grind the rest of that small amount of XP you need and gather the daily drops from the mobs to sell for a nice chuck of gold in AH
Just One MMOre
It's a bit difficult to make an MMORPG and not have some type of grind. The whole point is to get you to keep playing, even when you've finished leveling. How else are they gonna do that without making you repeat the same routines over and over since it's not cost effective to just keep adding new content every week. Even with games that are PvP-based, you're still doing some type of grind to keep advancing.
The real issue is what degree of a grind is the game. That's going to be vary depending on who you ask, so it's impossible to measure that without playing yourself to find out how you personally feel about it.
I found it very helpfull to use the tokens from dailies on furnitures that gives double xp and tp bonus. I also saved a lot of time and money using the tokens for a 30-day horse
OK, here's my take on it as I've now leveled a character for three days.
The game is actually quiet good for a F2P. There's absolutely no need to use the cash-shop, if you play the game just to waste some time.
With the daily quests, you can buy enough charges for the AT to improve your equipment once you hit LvL 50 and LvL 50 will take you a while when you're more the explorer-type of player trying to do every single quest etc.
Some bosses are not solo-able, but there's enough players around willing to help you out.
So I'm quiet happy with this game, aslong as I wait for the next good sandbox-MMO to be released sometime end of this or early next year.
That's a fair assessment.
1. DO NOT spend in the cash shop until you are absolutely sure you want to play this long term.
2. If you have time to kill and do not have a quality game to spend that time on; this can bridge a gap and be interesting for a relatively short time.
That's a fair assessment.
1. DO NOT spend in the cash shop until you are absolutely sure you want to play this long term.
2. If you have time to kill and do not have a quality game to spend that time on; this can bridge a gap and be interesting for a relatively short time.
........
@ caelach.
1. WHO ARE YOU to tell anyone anything?
2. PLEASE tell me what a 'Quality' game is.
.........
To say that this game is f2p then all i can say is that it is a gem of a game.
Plenty of people on the servers all the time , everyone helping each other out in quests = loads of fun.
I hope Rom succeeds i know i and lots of other people are enjoying this game.
That's a fair assessment.
1. DO NOT spend in the cash shop until you are absolutely sure you want to play this long term.
2. If you have time to kill and do not have a quality game to spend that time on; this can bridge a gap and be interesting for a relatively short time.
........
@ caelach.
1. WHO ARE YOU to tell anyone anything?
2. PLEASE tell me what a 'Quality' game is.
.........
To say that this game is f2p then all i can say is that it is a gem of a game.
Plenty of people on the servers all the time , everyone helping each other out in quests = loads of fun.
I hope Rom succeeds i know i and lots of other people are enjoying this game.
1. Somebody with just as much right to express an opinion here as you.
2. A game that is good rather than mediocre or bad.
It seems strange how critics work. If there is only 1 MMO available to all players, I wouldn't think its strange to find players that constantly want to voice their negative comments for that 1 game. But there are tons of other game which there has to be 1 better than the one which the critic is commenting negatively on, since the critic must have seen better to comment negatively.
So my question is that, what motivates a player to come back constantly and leave negative comments?
Do they find it more amusing than playing a game they like? Or do commenting negatively about another game justify that their pick is better?
I wouldn't complain if there was a dirty spot after getting a free car wash.
That's a fair assessment.
1. DO NOT spend in the cash shop until you are absolutely sure you want to play this long term.
2. If you have time to kill and do not have a quality game to spend that time on; this can bridge a gap and be interesting for a relatively short time.
........
@ caelach.
1. WHO ARE YOU to tell anyone anything?
2. PLEASE tell me what a 'Quality' game is.
.........
To say that this game is f2p then all i can say is that it is a gem of a game.
Plenty of people on the servers all the time , everyone helping each other out in quests = loads of fun.
I hope Rom succeeds i know i and lots of other people are enjoying this game.
1. Somebody with just as much right to express an opinion here as you.
2. A game that is good rather than mediocre or bad.
1. Then state it was your opinion and don't tell others 'DO NOT' as if your voice carried any sway.
2. What game is this that you are talking about?, for i have gamed for a very long time and i must of missed all of these games that were released in perfect working order.
As i stated before there's lots of fun to be had in this and any other game where people play together.
It's pretty stupid to tell people to avoid a f2p game. Download it and try it. It's pretty fun until you hit 50. If you like making a lot of alts to try different classes it's fun in that regard. In the end you will either enjoy it enough to sink money into it or you won't and you'll be stuck with gear that won't allow access into higher dungeons. It takes 11 days of dailies to get 1 puri stone, it takes 6 puri stones to mod one piece of gear. That's a hell of a whole lot of days for a set of gear if you wanna play end-game for free.
People will say "you can trade gold for diamonds in game" and that's true, at a a conversion of about 100k gold to 1 diamond (this used to be 5k for 1 diamond prior to the 30 day hold on diamonds. That's when these people had a point). That means you'd have to trade 5.5 million gold for 55 diamonds (1 puri stone) or 33 million for 1 piece of gear. The odds are better on farming the daily tokens for months on end. The other option I hear is to play alts to 50 and use their 4 free puri stones. That is an option, would only take 12 alts at level 50 to get enough puri stones to mod 8 pieces of gear. You could probably cut this down to 10 if you supplement with daily tokens.
Like I said, download it and try it. It ain't half bad on the leveling trail. Just plan to watch all your friends who are casual or "free" players leave as they reach end-game.
Free to have some fun? Definitely. Free to play at end-game? Not until after several months of farming. But hey, they ain't gonna give everything away for free. It's a business, not a charity.
I'd consider coming back myself if they started focusing on the right things (customer service, class balance, stat balance, make all class combos viable, and quit with the excuses about having a parent company [US servers]).
side note: the conversion courses are around 20K gold (the in game currency) for 1 diamond (the cash currency) currently on the european auction houses, before it was 50K+ but after continued protests of a majority of players it's no longer possible to trade game stuff for diamonds in the auction house because this disadvantaged free players to much. i've to say there's still a virtual 'black market' in diamond trade by using trade between players but not nearly as booming as before.
it is possible to play this game for free but it requires a lot of effort and time if you want have good gear for the lvl 50 instances. if you don't do that then or spend at least something then you'll have to settle in a second rank situation or count on a multiple year plan to do the same as some big spenders can do.
i wouldn't go that far as saying the current situation is 'fair' but all in all it's not unreasonable either because games are no charity indeed.
Characterizing someone as stupid who has experienced something and warns others that are considering investing resources into such an endeavor as not being worthwhile shows a lack of tolerance for differing opinion and possibly an ignorance of the worth of critical review . People review products and services all the time and readers of such are free to heed warnings or embrace the endorsements of the assertions made. I wouldn't call you stupid for urging others to waste their time and possibly money on an undesirable game such as ROM. I would just call you wrong.
The motivation is the same as it is for any discussion. Often persons discuss something and have more to say than their original statement. It's a conversation of sorts.
I would complain if I waited 3 hours for my free car wash and when it was done the car was still dirty.
What I find entirely strange is that so many cannot accept that many many people have experienced ROM and find it a waste of their time and possibly money. Why criticize someone for finding this game to be poor? That is as nonsensical as criticizing someone for finding the game to be good.
If one finds ROM to be a great game, I'm happy for them. It seems they are easily pleased. Who I'm concerned about are those who want a good game and expect ROM is that. I hope to warn them so they at least go in with their eyes open and do not regret wasting their time or cash on this dog.
That's a fair assessment.
1. DO NOT spend in the cash shop until you are absolutely sure you want to play this long term.
2. If you have time to kill and do not have a quality game to spend that time on; this can bridge a gap and be interesting for a relatively short time.
........
@ caelach.
1. WHO ARE YOU to tell anyone anything?
2. PLEASE tell me what a 'Quality' game is.
.........
To say that this game is f2p then all i can say is that it is a gem of a game.
Plenty of people on the servers all the time , everyone helping each other out in quests = loads of fun.
I hope Rom succeeds i know i and lots of other people are enjoying this game.
1. Somebody with just as much right to express an opinion here as you.
2. A game that is good rather than mediocre or bad.
1. Then state it was your opinion and don't tell others 'DO NOT' as if your voice carried any sway.
2. What game is this that you are talking about?, for i have gamed for a very long time and i must of missed all of these games that were released in perfect working order.
As i stated before there's lots of fun to be had in this and any other game where people play together.
1. It is OBVIOUSLY my opinion. My voice carries no more sway than my argument is able to compel. If people want to waste their time/money on this crap game they are free to do so. They just can't say afyer reading this thread that nobody told them when they do and regret that choice.
2. Certainly there are a number of games that are of superior quality than ROM. WoW, COH, Guild Wars LOTRO etc. etc. etc., all blow this piece of junk away.
I didn't characterize anyone as anything. It's not an indictment of your personal fiber, don't get your panties in a bunch. It's a stupid act (for some a hobby), nothing more.
What resources are you talking about? That's my whole point. You're not saving anyone a dime because it's free to download and sample for every user. That's why it's stupid to tell people not to try a game when they have nothing to lose from doing so. At that point a person will choose whether it's worth sinking resources into or not.
To call your OP a review is laughable so I won't even address that in depth.
*edit*
@ OP. I want to make it clear I'm not calling you stupid, that's not my style. I also have my issues with the game and no longer play it. The only point I wanted to make is that I did have my share of fun in RoM and I think nearly all fantasy MMO fans would find some fun in RoM as well, so I encourage everyone to give it a try because it costs nothing to see for yourself. If RoM cost $50 a box I'd be railing against it too, but it doesn't. Here was my summation of the development changes:
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm
It is normal to have critics for every game. I can guess there are probably many more critics against WOW than there are against ROM (but thats just because of the sheer number of players).
So you would find it strange that many cannot accept that there are many players unhappy about RoM and their criticism of the game. Like I mentioned above, I can probably guess there are many players unhappy about other games as well. But seems that critics cannot accept supporter's views as well and must comment in every supportive topic. I guess it goes both ways (and nothing is wrong with that).
Sometimes a good critic can help the creator make things better, but only if it is a constructive critic rather than a malacious one.
So in the end, it is fair to say that players should find out for themselves. The only cost would be time. And since it is techinically free, players (even critics) can wait for a bit til it gets better and come back and still have their account! Hope those that are un-decided will give it a try!
See, thats just it, your not giving a critical review of the game. Your just stating that its bad and nobody should spend money on it. You have yet to give an actual critic of the game itself as to why it is so bad. You have only generalized your comments to the point that most people in this thread have decided your just a hater or *gasp* Troll.
If you want people to take you serious, then you need to be serious about your review otherwise people are just going to laugh at your comments and continue to think that your just trolling. If you dont want people to take you serious, then why continue with the hate? There can only be one answer to that and that would be to troll.
Hardly a fair comparison between RoM and other games you have to pay to play (and yes, GW falls into that category since you can't play if you don't fork over the $50 or whatever to buy it).
I'd love to see where RoM falls on your list compared to other F2P (i.e. ones that don't require a cent to acquire and play indefinitely) games.
See, thats just it, your not giving a critical review of the game. Your just stating that its bad and nobody should spend money on it. You have yet to give an actual critic of the game itself as to why it is so bad. You have only generalized your comments to the point that most people in this thread have decided your just a hater or *gasp* Troll.
If you want people to take you serious, then you need to be serious about your review otherwise people are just going to laugh at your comments and continue to think that your just trolling. If you dont want people to take you serious, then why continue with the hate? There can only be one answer to that and that would be to troll.
I have expressed in detail my disappointments with the game. There is no shortage of people who think this game is poor. I really don't care if people take me seriously or not. I have expressed my opinion about the game in order to save people time and money that might otherwise be spent on an unworthy endeavor. The fair minded will take it or leave it for what it is worth to them. The unfair will attack others for having a contrary opinion.
What is obvious and rather humorous is that some who like this game feel it necessary to portray someone who does not as a "troll". I think that says a lot about the community this game draws.
Hardly a fair comparison between RoM and other games you have to pay to play (and yes, GW falls into that category since you can't play if you don't fork over the $50 or whatever to buy it).
I'd love to see where RoM falls on your list compared to other F2P (i.e. ones that don't require a cent to acquire and play indefinitely) games.
ROM is one of the best cash shop games out there. But all cash shop games have some component of subterfuge woven into their fabric. Obviously, they want you to spend money on their game. They know many people will be sucked into doing that. They build that into the game. Their every move is directed to that end. They take great pain to portray themselves as giving something for free all the while plotting to coax as many as possible into parting with their money. I prefer the straightforward approach rather than the disingenuous. As I have repeatedly said, if people want to try this game go right ahead, but be wary. It is designed to suck the money out of you.
How much have you spent on this "free" game?
Again, it is unfair to lump GW into the p2p pile. There is not a subscription fee. I suppose it falls somewhere in between f2p and p2p. Certainly it costs FAR FAR less to play GW for 2 years than it would cost to play any p2p game out there.