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tamgros
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Loved the movie. Great day for Star Trek!
I think this can only mean good things for STO and its popularity. Thoughts?
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My main thought is that it is pretty funny that the game is being set in a timeline that no longer exists.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.
Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.
I could be wrong though.
Great movie. I hope it helps the game's player base. Hopefully the dev's use the interest to their advantage.
Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.
Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.
I could be wrong though.
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Without giving specific plot spoilers, I think it is safe to say that as of the end of this movie, it is far more likely than not that the events depicted in Nemesis never happen.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.
Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.
I could be wrong though.
Possible SPOILER ALERT
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Without giving specific plot spoilers, I think it is safe to say that as of the end of this movie, it is far more likely than not that the events depicted in Nemesis never happen.
It is an alternate timeline/reality. They even mention this in the Movie, and JJ has also said this in interviews. So STO does not take place in this reality, but the one established by TNG...God I hate temporal mechanics, makes my head hurt.
Or it was all meant to be like this, and everyone knew about the new Vulcan planet but didn't speak much about it. And that ambassador spock (from the future) just l lived 2 more years and then died, remembered by no one because the current Spock (sylar) is still alive.
PERHAPS.
Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.
Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.
I could be wrong though.
Possible SPOILER ALERT
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Without giving specific plot spoilers, I think it is safe to say that as of the end of this movie, it is far more likely than not that the events depicted in Nemesis never happen.
It is an alternate timeline/reality. They even mention this in the Movie, and JJ has also said this in interviews. So STO does not take place in this reality, but the one established by TNG...God I hate temporal mechanics, makes my head hurt.
But it doesn't *really* establish that the old timeline still exists, except in old Spock's memories. The character that uses the phrase "alternate reality" isn't a temporal physicist, it is a communications specialist. The only alternate timeline/reality that has actually been established as existing in any piece of published Star Trek entertainment is the "Dark Mirror" universe.
Also, if his timeline still existed, why wouldn't Old Spock be concentrating on finding a way back? As for what JJ said in interviews, until he puts it in one of the movies in some definitive way, he can change his mind. At this point there is nothing concrete to contradict the theory that Old Spock is all that is left of the Star Trek universe that was.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.
Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.
I could be wrong though.
Possible SPOILER ALERT
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>
>
Without giving specific plot spoilers, I think it is safe to say that as of the end of this movie, it is far more likely than not that the events depicted in Nemesis never happen.
It is an alternate timeline/reality. They even mention this in the Movie, and JJ has also said this in interviews. So STO does not take place in this reality, but the one established by TNG...God I hate temporal mechanics, makes my head hurt.
Yes, this is the way it is.
STO has adopted the changes to the TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, timeline that took place in the movie. What this amounts to is that Spock is no longer around, Romulus/Remus are destroyed, the Romulan empire is a bit scatterd, and Vulcan is alive and kickkin!
But yes, time travel makes my head hurt. At least we don't have to think about paradoxes. Alternate timeline makes it a bit easier.
Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.
Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.
I could be wrong though.
Possible SPOILER ALERT
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Without giving specific plot spoilers, I think it is safe to say that as of the end of this movie, it is far more likely than not that the events depicted in Nemesis never happen.
It is an alternate timeline/reality. They even mention this in the Movie, and JJ has also said this in interviews. So STO does not take place in this reality, but the one established by TNG...God I hate temporal mechanics, makes my head hurt.
Yes, this is the way it is.
STO has adopted the changes to the TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, timeline that took place in the movie. What this amounts to is that Spock is no longer around, Romulus/Remus are destroyed, the Romulan empire is a bit scatterd, and Vulcan is alive and kickkin!
But yes, time travel makes my head hurt. At least we don't have to think about paradoxes. Alternate timeline makes it a bit easier.
Because of the timeline rebranch there have been many an upset trekker in other forums I have been to. Which brings me to my newly found signiture.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
I like the timeline shift the movie has brought. After 40 years of TV shows, movies, and other media there is just to much cannon to have to adhere to. I think this will allow for some different movies and story lines. I just hope they don't use time travel AGAIN for a while.
It helps me to see the STO timeline as the original and view this new movie as one of those alternate what if comic books. You know where Batman somehow runs into Wolverine and gets the crap clawed out of him when the compete for who has the most gravelly voice while comparing who had the worst childhood.
Yes I thought the movie was great. Best time I had in movie theater in a long while.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
ThIs movie will literally cause a rebirth of the Trek genre.
I went to the Star Trek premiere last night at the midnight showing. My mouth dropped as I watched people walk in to sit down. dozens of teens including shockingly girls (in groups, not just some guy's date) poured in.
Finally I stood up, faced the crowd and stated "am i in the right theatre cause I see teens and girls, this cant be a Trek crowd"
I got some laughs over that.
The concessions kid said that Trek is cool now.
Personally I thought the movie was brilliant. It allows for a new rebirth of the show in a tasteful yet respectful manner. As a hardcore trekkie I fully accept and endorse this movie !
While I plan on seeing this movie, I have to disagree with the notion that 40 years of canon is a hindrence or that is somehow a good excuse to reboot. If hollywood writers had half the imagination they used to, they wouldn't be recycling old franchises and movies. Star Trek could have very easily picked up where DS9 and Voyager left off. Just put a new crew on the Enterprise-E and write something original about the state of the Federation and the galaxy. Cardassia has to rebuild, the Dominion changes with Odo linking with them, Bajor comes into the Federation, the romulans have to deal with the ramifications of "Nemesis" etc.etc. But that would be too hard. Let's just go the easy route and create an alternate timeline so we can re-write old characters. I'm glad this movie is popular, but it's sad that lack of originality on the writer's part will destroy Trek canon just to make a blockbuster.
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Don't knock it until you have seen it. The new movie shows more respect to, and appreciation for, the original series and the first 6 movies, than any of the subsequent material ever did. The writing is incredibly talented and original, because it acknowledges what came before, and provides logical *and* emotionally satisfying reasons for why and how things are different now.
Just in the spirit of full disclosure though: Cardassia? the Dominion? Bajor? Who friggin' cares? DS9 was good for a little while, but then the Ron Moore infection got in deep. Sisko and the Prophets = snoooooooooooze. As for Nemesis, the Nosferatu style Remans were amusing, but the writing was just bad. Yes, by all means, let the franchise stay in a creative rut and die completely, rather than doing something new and interesting.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Did you guys actually turn up for the Star Trek Online Dev Chat?
78 fecking people for the whole thing, if only 78 people are truly interested in STO, its not going to last very long...
Infact, Theres been fleets in Eve Online far more denser and greater, and did you hear what they are doing?
They want to make this a DM - MMO, If you die, you just respawn, its Legacy all over a fecking gain but with a new label and a fancy new coat of paint put over it, If they go ahead with what they were saying, Its going to get - Hyped to shit.
Oh and another thing a bout the Dev Chat, They didn't really reply back to Questions, it was like this :
Dev: And ofcourse, we're going to introduce *Insert something here*
Guy 1: So uhh, anyone here play Eve?
Guy 2: Oh yeah i play that, i also play WoW
Guy 1: Eww.
Guy 2: =/
Guy 3: Hey whats wrong with WoW? im Scott Malcinson.
Guy 4: For christ sake you people are hanging out with Scott Malcinson?
Guy 1/2: Nope, you are.
*Guy 1 has left the chat.*
*Guy 2 has left the chat.*
Guy 4: *Sigh*
Guy 3:Do you play Rune scape?
*Guy 4 has left the chat*
Guy 3: Awww.
Guy 5: So is there going to be Transporters?
Dev: Is anybody actually listening?
Guy 5: ...
Dev: Sweet, Beer Break.
*Dev has left the chat*
Guy 3: Do you play Habbo Hotel?
*Guy 5 slaps Guy 3.*
Guy 5: This fucking fails.
*Guy 5 has left the chat.*
Guy 3:Ow...that hurt.
Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.
Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.
I could be wrong though.
Possible SPOILER ALERT
Without giving specific plot spoilers, I think it is safe to say that as of the end of this movie, it is far more likely than not that the events depicted in Nemesis never happen.
It is an alternate timeline/reality. They even mention this in the Movie, and JJ has also said this in interviews. So STO does not take place in this reality, but the one established by TNG...God I hate temporal mechanics, makes my head hurt.
But it doesn't *really* establish that the old timeline still exists, except in old Spock's memories. The character that uses the phrase "alternate reality" isn't a temporal physicist, it is a communications specialist. The only alternate timeline/reality that has actually been established as existing in any piece of published Star Trek entertainment is the "Dark Mirror" universe.
Also, if his timeline still existed, why wouldn't Old Spock be concentrating on finding a way back? As for what JJ said in interviews, until he puts it in one of the movies in some definitive way, he can change his mind. At this point there is nothing concrete to contradict the theory that Old Spock is all that is left of the Star Trek universe that was.
I have to break out the fake Vulcan ears and claim this is false.
In the ST:TNG episode Parallels, Worf bounces around through several alternate timelines. And the ST:TNG finale All Good Things... is pretty much an alternate timeline episode where everything goes back to "normal" at the end.
So there are other alternate realities. They're just not acknowledged very often.
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The less you expect, the more you'll be surprised. Hopefully, pleasantly so.
As far as All Good Things is concerned, it could be argued that the alternate timeline only existed until the anomaly collapsed, making it really just an event occuring within the "Prime" reality. As far as Parallels, I have to admit I don't recall the episode, so I can't intelligently argue with your position on that one.
There have also been episodes where the timeline was altered, and then later repaired, so it is also possible that there are alternate realities, but that each has its own timeline which can be changed. In which case there may be an alternate reality just like the one that existed prior to the new movie, but in which Spock and Nero didn't go back in time, while that *particular* reality in which they did has in fact been changed, heh.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Are you talking abou the ING Voom chat or the chat on IRC the other day. The chat on IRC the other day was just so they would watch an episode as the same time as us. They noted that no info would be released, just a community building thing.
About the IGN Voom chat. Everyone was silenced except for the person who asked the questions, so what you just stated didn't happen at all. What did thappen though is that Craig only chose questions he could give answers on. And in those questions, they simply aren't giving out any game mechanics information yet. Many companies do this. That being said, there are some things announced recently that I really expect Cryptic/STO to respond to.
As for the population. Meh, the things were announed a week in advance in relative down points during development. That really doesn't mean much. Just as huge turnouts wouldn't really mean much either... look at AoC and WAR. In the end it depends on how good the game actually is.
Exactly,
It was the same here in Oslo tonight. The Norwegian Trekkie club was even present lol. Was actually pretty funny.
But many young people together with their parents (who probably have seen the old series bringing their kids).
Everyone was exthatic about the movie. They loved it. And so did I. My jaw litterly dropped of the insane and very dramatic intro (won't tell details for people still going to see it).
This was one of the best Star Trek movies I have seen in a long long time.
I don't give a rats rear end about those US trekkies crying on the ST forums.
They are sad individuals who are still living in the 60's and refuse to accept the future. The NOW!
This movie did exactly what it needed to do. REVIVE the franchise and put Star Trek back on the map!
Hence, pretty lot of movie critics around the world praised this movie and gave it a high score! With here in Norway pretty much every magazine and newspaper giving it the maximum score! I haven't seen that in quite while.
This movie brought many new Star Trek fans. And that's the whole point. And the only way to keep the franchise going.
Cheers
Exactly,
It was the same here in Oslo tonight. The Norwegian Trekkie club was even present lol. Was actually pretty funny.
But many young people together with their parents (who probably have seen the old series bringing their kids).
Everyone was exthatic about the movie. They loved it. And so did I. My jaw litterly dropped of the insane and very dramatic intro (won't tell details for people still going to see it).
This was one of the best Star Trek movies I have seen in a long long time.
I don't give a rats rear end about those US trekkies crying on the ST forums.
They are sad individuals who are still living in the 60's and refuse to accept the future. The NOW!
This movie did exactly what it needed to do. REVIVE the franchise and put Star Trek back on the map!
Hence, pretty lot of movie critics around the world praised this movie and gave it a high score! With here in Norway pretty much every magazine and newspaper giving it the maximum score! I haven't seen that in quite while.
This movie brought many new Star Trek fans. And that's the whole point. And the only way to keep the franchise going.
Cheers
Exactly, couldn't have said it better. This is what the franchise needed and i hope they learn from it and provide us some awesome new T.V. shows and more movies!
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Exactly,
It was the same here in Oslo tonight. The Norwegian Trekkie club was even present lol. Was actually pretty funny.
But many young people together with their parents (who probably have seen the old series bringing their kids).
Everyone was exthatic about the movie. They loved it. And so did I. My jaw litterly dropped of the insane and very dramatic intro (won't tell details for people still going to see it).
This was one of the best Star Trek movies I have seen in a long long time.
I don't give a rats rear end about those US trekkies crying on the ST forums.
They are sad individuals who are still living in the 60's and refuse to accept the future. The NOW!
This movie did exactly what it needed to do. REVIVE the franchise and put Star Trek back on the map!
Hence, pretty lot of movie critics around the world praised this movie and gave it a high score! With here in Norway pretty much every magazine and newspaper giving it the maximum score! I haven't seen that in quite while.
This movie brought many new Star Trek fans. And that's the whole point. And the only way to keep the franchise going.
Cheers
the weird thing is i am one of those US fans that grew up in the 70's watching Trek reruns. I dont get what the uproar is over the movie. This movie saves our beloved franchise. It means more sequels (i hear theyre already working on another), and maybe another television show (crosses fingers).
It might mean more interest in STO also ! I struck up a few conversations last night and mentioned to check out STO.
Saw the movie last night and I thought the only let-down was that Bana's badguy was a bit weakly written and that's kind of nit-picking. Other than that gripe the film was pretty much spot-on; funny, good story, terrific effects and, most importantly, the characters and their relationships felt absolutely right.
Second favourite film of the year so far for me and if STO can be positioned to ride along with some aspect of what is guaranteed to be a blockbuster (timed with the DVD or something) then it will benefit hugely.
The ruptured capillaries in your nose belie the clarity of your wisdom.
Exactly, Star Trek no longer exists save a movie about a bunch of college undergrads (3 years at Starfleet and they had NOT graduated) who inexplicably took over a the flagship of the fleet. Other than that there is no ST franchise other than Enterprise. Screw the game and ST, it isn't that the movie was bad or even good it wasn't Star Trek other than having character share names from the IP they erased.
Star Trek TOS, Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and ALL the movies NEVER happened as of today. there is no alternate timeline or subtle plot line never brought up - Vulcan was destroyed and one of the founding planets of the Federation removed from the stroy save a few refuges. All the ST series and movies we have seen prior to today either directly take place on Vulcan or reference it as at least existing so it is pretty clear that the franchise, save this movie and Enterprise, is all erased.
As for the movie itself...
I went to see it despite not wanting to because I thought the trailers look like it was Star trek 90210 like others have said elsewhere and I have to say I hate it even more having seen it, but for different reasons.
I will admit to being wrong about the ST 90210 thing (although Spock and Uhura is just stupid). The Kirk guy casting wise, as well as other casting choices where not bad but the characters themselves where not so great. Kirk is basically a local yocal bum who decides for no real reason one night to join Starfleet. Then we FF three years before he has even graduated to the heart of the movie and Kirk is now a stow away on the Enterprise with all the other original characters on board fresh out of Starfleet also not even having graduated yet. Then, in true Hollywood magic of an epic scale, all the characters magically surpass the crew of Starfleets flagship to assume their traditional duty stations (save Scotty who is elsewhere at this point and Kirk who is just made 1st officer while Spock goes from programmer/instructor at Starfleet to Captain). Now, ST has stretched plots as does SciFi and movies in general but this is beyond the pale. FF a bit more and we have the plot destroying Vulcan and the express commentary in the movie making it clear that all franchise lore is hereby erased (presumably except for Enterprise). Scotty shows up from being an exile from the scientific community because he killed some Admirals dog in an experiment gone wrong and upon reaching the Enterprise with another leap of plot he just takes over as Chief Engineer. FF to Kirk assuming command by calling Spock names until he throws a temper tantrum and has to step down. FF to the end part which looks cool at parts, Enterprise warping in to save Kirk/Spock is good and then it ends with Kirk getting anointed Captain of Enterprise back at the school he never graduated accompanied by his new crew that also never graduated.
The style of the film was cool, much like I liked in Enterprise the look of things was much more gritty and realistic while still being futuristic. The effects where good and the acting was good but the scripting of the characters (as detailed above) was pitiful and unbelievable. The music sucked, I mean the ST themes are some of the most recognized in all of movies let alone SciFi and instead we got a very forgettable theme that conveyed little to no triumph or drama. The movie was well made and mostly put together well in terms of storytelling although I think they did not do a very good job with the characters themselves even forgetting the plot problems with the characters - basically my problem here is that they offered little to no reasons to like these characters and hardly any reason to respect them other than that they shared the names of the very characters and stories the erased with the plot.
All in all it was a OK action flick, OK to decent SciFi flick, and **** poor Star Trek that may suck less in terms of an overall movie than the ST:TNG movies but at least those poor movies didn't destroy all that was great about Star Trek like this movie did.
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I agree 100% with the original post.
I do not think that Star Wars or Star Trek will ever be what it used to be....kids now days would rather play games like, yell obscenities at your teacher, sue your parents, blame everyone for your failings, games like that......
As someone who grew up on star trek I gotta say I was rather impressed by the film. The writing was fairly good at least on the intro. Some of the folks who came with me actually had a tear or so during the initial 10 minutes. Thats a good flick. Something that can suck you in and touch you like that.
After that... the story got a bit flakey, and it was rather action packed. To me it was like star trek light. They made it a bit more "hip" for the current day crowd, but it was still star trek.
I remember when scotty said he was going to beam them into what he thought was a cargo bay as long as the ship was competently designed and I turned to my brother and said, they are gonna end up on the bridge you watch. Cracked me up.
I like Nemoy better than Sylar...but thats just nostalgia.
I do like the idea of an alternate reality where they can change up a lot of stuff and basically redo the entire franchise from start to finish. Im not saying I had any issues with the old lore (wasnt a big fan of the first few seasons of DS9) it was all good stuff. Hell I even liked Enterprise.
However, this allows us to branch off and recreate a long loved show that can be upgraded in a way that can possibly be accepted by the older crowd.
I would personally love a new series on TV...but doubt we will get that.
The new movie definitely isnt the old star trek you grew up on, but it still has powerful story elements, and some decent characters. Hopefully they can continue on and do something with it.
How is ST saved? Star Trek is erased - all that we loved it for whether as a TOS fan, TNG, DS9, or VOY everything you loved ST for was erased so they could attract horney kids who want to see pretty people and explosions.
I mean take somethign from this movie to understand what I am saying, Spock risked his life and the Enterprise to save the cultural protectors of Vulcan but the ST IP owners just erased the culture of ST (goofy as it was in parts) in order to appel to the MTV crowd.
ST ended today and while something of the same name goes forward you cannot have your cake and eat it to erasing the franchise and then trying to cling to all it achieved to propel you forward.
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How is ST saved? Star Trek is erased - all that we loved it for whether as a TOS fan, TNG, DS9, or VOY everything you loved ST for was erased so they could attract horney kids who want to see pretty people and explosions.
I mean take somethign from this movie to understand what I am saying, Spock risked his life and the Enterprise to save the cultural protectors of Vulcan but the ST IP owners just erased the culture of ST (goofy as it was in parts) in order to appel to the MTV crowd.
ST ended today and while something of the same name goes forward you cannot have your cake and eat it to erasing the franchise and then trying to cling to all it achieved to propel you forward.
well that all depends on if they decide to keep going with this timeline, or let it go. Star trek as many other have said has dealt with different realitys and timelines in the past, but never really picked up on them.
Its possivle they may do it with this one, but it doesnt mean the old stuff is erased, it could let us all relive it in different ways, thats not exactly a bad thing.
Im sure if they chose to do this, we would lose some things... but Im with the guy above you, if they keep making good movies, and hopefully one day new series... Im happy (long as the new content is good).
Dont get me wrong I love the old stuff... but one can only watch it so many times, and you arent going to get the same feeling of wonder as you did the first time you saw it. This lets Star trek live on, and hopefully for many more years.