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ZindaihasZindaihas Member UncommonPosts: 3,662

We heard this cry from Bush critics constantly after 9/11.  He is accumulating too much power.  He's becoming a king.  Our freedoms are in jeopardy.  Well are any of the same critics concerned by what Obama is doing?  Grabbing up more and more of the private sector.  Today it was Chrysler.  Press conferences which are totally scripted.  Journalists asking gutless questions (what has enchanted you the most in your first 100 days, Mr. President?).  CEOs who are being fired.  The only thing that's missing from President Obama's ensemble is the military uniform.

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  • vonomousvonomous Member Posts: 357

    I nominate popinjay to answer this question.

     

    "If you can't out wit them, report them till they're banned!"- PopinJ'

  • ThrakkThrakk Member Posts: 1,226

    W was a fascist dictator and he even knew about 9/11and did jack w. sh*t

  • sephersepher Member Posts: 3,561

    What power grab? Wasn't the bankruptcy in response to Obama NOT giving Chrysler anymore tax dollars? This means bankruptcy courts handle restructing; not Obama.

    Feel one way or another about whether bankruptcy for Chrysler is good or bad; but mistaking a "grab" for a "push" on the administration's part doesn't make any sense.

  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586

    The Banks are the ones who hold the real power now.

    Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  • LaserwolfLaserwolf Member Posts: 2,383

    Anyone who thought Bush was becoming a "Dictator" was also probably wearing tin-foil underwear. However, I was very uncomfortable with the bounds his administration overstepped over and over again. With that being said, I'm perfectly comfortable with the actions taken by the Obama Administration so far.

    The first thing a would-be dictator would want to do is limit access to and from their country. Yet Republicans are attacking Obama for not using the flu as a flimsy excuse to close down our border. Both Liberals and Conservatives fear the idea of "Big Brother" and a 1984-type world, so why does each side seem to think they are the only ones who do?

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  • VemoiVemoi Member Posts: 1,546
    Originally posted by Zindaihas


    We heard this cry from Bush critics constantly after 9/11.  He is accumulating too much power.  He's becoming a king.  Our freedoms are in jeopardy.  Well are any of the same critics concerned by what Obama is doing?  Grabbing up more and more of the private sector.  Today it was Chrysler.  Press conferences which are totally scripted.  Journalists asking gutless questions (what has enchanted you the most in your first 100 days, Mr. President?).  CEOs who are being fired.  The only thing that's missing from President Obama's ensemble is the military uniform.



     

    You could add the people going ballistic about the deficit. Not a peep any more.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by Briansho


    The Banks are the ones who hold the real power now.

     

    The banks have been agents of the state since the creation of the Federal Reserve system.

    The ones with the guns are the ones with the power -- they decide who gets the money. That is how corporate fascism/socialism works. In the end, in the war between guns and paper, Gun blows away paper. Remember Germany. People thought the banks ran everything. In fact, that fear brought Hitler to power. Who won that fight?

    Now, we are experiencing the same rhetoric. Greedy bankers. Evil Wall Street vs poor Main Street. Not much difference.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by Laserwolf


    Anyone who thought Bush was becoming a "Dictator" was also probably wearing tin-foil underwear. However, I was very uncomfortable with the bounds his administration overstepped over and over again. With that being said, I'm perfectly comfortable with the actions taken by the Obama Administration so far.
    The first thing a would-be dictator would want to do is limit access to and from their country. Yet Republicans are attacking Obama for not using the flu as a flimsy excuse to close down our border. Both Liberals and Conservatives fear the idea of "Big Brother" and a 1984-type world, so why does each side seem to think they are the only ones who do?

     

    I've certainly never known liberals to fear Big Brother in the economic half of our lives; they believe in Big Brother wholeheartedly there. Conservatives love Big Brother when he is controlling the social aspects of our lives.

    They each fear half of Big Brother, but love the other half. that is why each side accuses the other of it.

  • ThrakkThrakk Member Posts: 1,226

    maybe this video can cheer you up ounumem sock puppet.

  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698

    The banks.  The banks.  The banks.  Different year, same story.

     

     

    I am reading right now, Den of Thieves, by James B. Stewart, Pullitzer Prize Winner, about insider-trading on Wall Street. 

     

     

    The easiest way to make money is to become a "banker" and tell people, INCLUDING AS OF NOW THE U.S. TAXPAYER, to give you all of their money.  And, you might not believe this, they always do.

     


    EDIT

    This problem is larger than the President of the United States; the executive is just one branch of government.

     

    This banking crisis is highly unusual because YOUR members of Congress, and YOUR President, all believe that certain but not all banks, though not the auto industry, are TOO BIG TO FAIL.

    EDIT:  This also includes certain insurance companies as well.

     

    Say, hey!  I am too big to fail.  It is a self-fulfilling prophecy.  

     

    Banker:  I am too big to fail.

    Taxpayer, represented by Congress:  My gosh, you are right.

    Banker:  Give me all of your money (broad daylight and without a weapon).

    Taxpayer:  Fine!  Take it all.  Here is 500 billion.

    Banker:  We are too big to fail.  Give us more.

    Taxpayer:  Here!  Take more!

    Banker:  We might need more.

    Taxpayer:  What the hell?

    Banker:  Use the credit of the U.S. taxpayer to guarantee my assets.

    Taxpayer:  What?

    Banker:  Listen!  If the toxic assets become profitable, we get to keep the profit.  If they do not, you guarantee them and pay for them.

    Taxpayer:  Fine!

    Banker:  We need a loophole in these bail-out laws; we need bonuses.

    Taxpayer:  Fine.

    Banker:  We will be back.  And we are here to rescue your (taxpayer) economy.

    Taxpayer:  We know; we are all losing our jobs, our houses, and have entered into a record number of bankruptcies.  Here, take more money.

    Banker:  We are too big to fail.  And do not forget that.

    Taxpayer:  Can I see your balance sheet?

    Banker:  No.  Like nuclear weapons, Merrill Lynch's financial statements are a matter of national security.

    Taxpayer:  OK.

    Banker:  Just pull yourself up from your bootstraps and pay your taxes.  We are too big to fail, and you are too small to save.

    Taxpayer:  We know.

     

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    FEW DAYS LATER

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    Taxpayer:  Hey.  I am in hot water here.  Think I could borrow some of the cash that the U.S. Treasury took from me and gave to you guys?

    Banker:  No.

    Taxpayer:  Hey, I lost my job.  Could I get an abatement, modification, or forbearance on my mortgage?

    Banker:  No.

    Taxpayer:  Can I refinance my house?

    Banker:  No.

    Taxpayer:  What can I do?

    Banker:  First, recognize you are too small to save and the banking community is too big to fail.  Do not recognize that the interest on your credit card is usurious.  Then, pull yourself up from your bootstraps, pay your taxes, and bail the bankers out.  When we are bailed-out, we might give you . . . what did you want?  Oh, another loan.  Ya.  Sure.  Well, maybe later.

  • ZindaihasZindaihas Member UncommonPosts: 3,662

    I heard an interesting statement by Aspen Times columnist, Gary Hubbell today.  He is a former Democrat who left the party in disgust.  He said, just as many Republicans felt like they were betrayed after the 2004 election (Yo!), the betrayal of Democrats by the Democratic Party is coming.  Just wait and see.  I'm going to be keeping an eye out for it myself.  Some of you out there will be joining us soon.

  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698
    Originally posted by Zindaihas


    I heard an interesting statement by Aspen Times columnist, Gary Hubbell today.  He is a former Democrat who left the party in disgust.  He said, just as many Republicans felt like they were betrayed after the 2004 election (Yo!), the betrayal of Democrats by the Democratic Party is coming.  Just wait and see.  I'm going to be keeping my eye out for it myself.  Some of you out there will be joining us soon.

     

    Things are weird now because finance has such a dominant hold and control of both parties, and frankly there is not much any person can do about it (Democrat or Republican).

     

    I did not switch my party officially because of the banker bail-outs; these were created by Democrats and Republicans.

     

    On that score, I think a lot of people are "disgusted," but we have to live with it.  And hopefully they loan us our money back at interest so we can rebuild this economy again.

  • SabiancymSabiancym Member UncommonPosts: 3,150
  • AkaJetsonAkaJetson Member Posts: 1,167

     No

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  • LeKinKLeKinK Member Posts: 899
    Originally posted by Zindaihas


    We heard this cry from Bush critics constantly after 9/11.  He is accumulating too much power.  He's becoming a king.  Our freedoms are in jeopardy.  Well are any of the same critics concerned by what Obama is doing?  Grabbing up more and more of the private sector.  Today it was Chrysler.  Press conferences which are totally scripted.  Journalists asking gutless questions (what has enchanted you the most in your first 100 days, Mr. President?).  CEOs who are being fired.  The only thing that's missing from President Obama's ensemble is the military uniform.

     

    LOL He is doing exactly what I said a month ago and you were all certain I was talking out my arse.

  • tayschrenntayschrenn Member Posts: 234
    Originally posted by Fishermage

    In the end, in the war between guns and paper, Gun blows away paper. Remember Germany. People thought the banks ran everything. In fact, that fear brought Hitler to power.

    No

    "The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair

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