actually rookies can catch up battlecruiser lvl 5 from a rookie has the same stats as the battlecruiser lvl 5 from the vets. and the vet can't get a lvl 6 because there is no lvl 6. so there is a cap. give me 1 year and ill be able to fit a raven battleship equally if not better than a 4 year vet. the only difference is that the vet may have social skills, industrial skills and corporation management skills more than me, though those skills are kind of useless in a pvp fight. whats the point in being able to fly a destroyer when you are piloting a interceptor? so i would say at one time one may use a limited amount of skills that does not represent the total skills a player has
Which means if he loses he can replace that ship far quicker than you. The penalty for him is vastly lighter than the penalty for you. Why? Because he has played the game longer.
In fact he may even return in another premade (and quite possibly vastly superior) ship and just take revenge upon you. Or he may just call upon his 4 year established network of mates to turn up and gank you for your trouble.
If you want to look at the game in the just the very limited perspective of 2 evenly matched ships fighting eachother then yes it is perfectly balanced. But this game does not encourage evenly matched duels. There are no level capped PvP arena's or instances like in WoW. No dueling system.
More relavently that it takes you an entire year before you can hold your own against a more established player (and then only in a very contrived scenario) is precisely the point everyone is making.
Do you really think a game that requires you to invest a year of your time to achieve a limited competative parity is a well balanced one?
That's the shortfall of Eve's PvP. Every system has it's strengths and weaknesses, that is Eve's weakness.
Baff, You are here trolling again ? Haven't seen you around for a while. What happened ? No other games out there being made or should I say changing the game to suit your wants ?
So bored that you come to the Eve forums to troll again ? You do nothing but make up shit and lie to new players here looking for legitimate help. Seriously go away and never come back again.
If you want instant gratification, then you will not like this game.
If you like paying money to be sub-par for extremely long periods of time. If you want a game that will let you NEVER EVER catch up to the folks who've been playing prior to you, regardless of how much effort you put in, EvE may be for you.
The community was why I left EvE. You folks keep saying how great everyone is. I spent 2 weeks in game and saw one asshole after another in chat. Evidently none of you were playing and all of them were...or this is all just bs pushed by fanbois.
The game is beautiful. But that's the only thing I can say good about it. Gameplay was boring as hell. Travel times were longer than was fun. Missions / PVE content =- boring as hell.
If you like PVE don't bother with EvE
there's a lot of old sayings that are still around for a reason.
such an old saying comes to mind at this moment -- birds of a feather... flock together.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I like (well, one part of) the community because I recently rolled Amarr (there's no arguing that Amarr have the curviest, smoothest, most futuristic and coolest looking ships, Stargates, and Stations out there!) and when I went into the noob Corp channel, there was a raging debate about God vs. Big Bang, Evolution, Global Warming, the Peanut Butter/Salmonella incident, and some other controversial issue which will never be settled but is fun to debate about.
Amarr ftw.
Oh yeah, I agree with OP too
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
I spent the last 2 months playing Eve and a majority of it was spent with a Corp that pretty much begged me to join them. Sure, the Corp was mature for the most part, except for the constant attacks made by fellow corpmates trying to blow your ship up. Yes folks, only in Eve can you find such stupidity when it comes to game tactics. You thought DAoC was bad with realm spies, well, Eve is full of asshats that enjoy joining corps and then dismantling you from the inside out by destroying your newly built or purchased Orca's. Eve has a mature community? Older community, yes. Mature? Not so much. Eve was and still is a gankfest ridden game. Of course, you can't expect much more than that from a PvP game. Apparently smack talk is a necessity because veteran players keep trying to tell everyone a 2 year vet can still be outgunned or outmanuevered by a week old rookie. I have yet to see that happen, but don't worry, veterans will continue to spew that crap forever. How else can you convince new players to join the game if they were under the impression that they'd never be as good as someone who's been in game a few more years then them. Eve in itself is a beautiful well thought out game. With a few major hiccups concerning gameplay, which benefit veterans over rookies, along with the not so mature community, Eve is a pretty decent game. Than again, you could say the same thing about any MMO.
you played eve for two months and had bought and were flying an orca?
then you joined a corp that begged you to join them and they then blew up your orca?
um... are you forgetting to tell us something? or a lot of somethings?
how long does it take you to catch up to people in a game like wow? for how many hours must you grind to get to max level? then grind to get 5 professions to max level (counting stuff like fishing/cooking/first aid), then grind reputation to get the purples you want from those guys? then grind (updated every 3 months) to get the next tier of gear? keep in mind wow won't always have a new expansion out, with fresh new instances to grind, but when they do, it'll be +10 levels to get to that new max level raid dungeon.
seriously then, how many months before you COULD engage in meaningful pvp in wow... oh wait, there is none. you never take and hold territory or anything of value for months at a time; because as soon as you log off, someone else can walk right in and it's theirs. so much for having a home/housing.
seriously, go spout off about how long it takes you to catch up to everyone that's been playing other MMOs, especially when you CAN be pvping with a corp against vets with dozens of millions of SP more than you, in your trial period in eve.
just because someone can't be bothered to learn about a game before/while they're playing it -- does NOT mean that anyone has to listen to their interpretation of a game, based upon their LACK of knowing anything about said game. everyone has an opinion; that doesn't mean all opinions are educated, nor worth top dollar.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
"You can tell the OPs that do not play the game beyond: Make a toon - get in your Ibis - leave hangar - shoot a Raven - get owned by Concord - talk smack in Rookie Chat - exit game."
How can you tell?
Crystal ball? Super psychic macho powers? Your dog tells you?
For a moment after reading some of the replies in this thread I thought I was in the Darkfall forums!
"Don't talk bad about me game! Grrr...!" "Are you saying something negative? You sir, are a troll...Grrrr...!"
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
your corpmates tried to blow you up and you think this is normal? can we please not drag up the "never catch up" thing AGAIN?
some people seem to have some bad experiences, but mostly these seem to be down to misconceptions or mistakes they made. some people have met bad apples, but most people in EVE are actually decent people.
1) Of course it's not the norm, doesn't matter. The point is, Eve is the only game retarded enough to have a system that allows it.
2) We'll stop dragging up the conversation that rookies can never catch up, when rookies can actually catch up. Until such time, stop lying to people saying 1 week rookies can be as good as 2-5 year vets.
3) So, because people make a mistake, lose 2 weeks worth of isk, it's just bad luck or their fault for not reading 100 hours worth of tips that span the greater world web. Seriously, Eve is nothing more than a gankers wet dream and 90% of your so called mature community in fact want nothing more than to see some idiot newb reflip their cargo can or shoot at them cause they targeted them in concord space. Eve is not new player friendly and never will be, end of story.
1) don't smack talk people and you don't die. seriously, you've told us nothing of why people wanted to blow you up.
2) read threads in this very forum -- then apologize for the lies you just told in your 2). i'm not even going to start repeating something that's been explained to the point that a wee child barely able to read and comprehend CAN understand how you are simply WRONG.
3) yes, for not reading 100 hours worth of tips... like the one tip that EVERYONE tells EVERYONE -- don't fly what you can't afford to lose. but go on, tell me how you've been playing for 2 months and own an orca. eve is not idiot friendly and never will be, end of story. eve is not lazy moron friendly and never will be, end of story. eve is quite new player friendly, just not idiot or lazy moron friendly -- world of difference.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Originally posted by baff Which means if he loses he can replace that ship far quicker than you. The penalty for him is vastly lighter than the penalty for you. Why? Because he has played the game longer. In fact he may even return in another premade (and quite possibly vastly superior) ship and just take revenge upon you. Or he may just call upon his 4 year established network of mates to turn up and gank you for your trouble. If you want to look at the game in the just the very limited perspective of 2 evenly matched ships fighting eachother then yes it is perfectly balanced. But this game does not encourage evenly matched duels. There are no level capped PvP arena's or instances like in WoW. No dueling system.
More relavently that it takes you an entire year before you can hold your own against a more established player (and then only in a very contrived scenario) is precisely the point everyone is making. Do you really think a game that requires you to invest a year of your time to achieve a limited competative parity is a well balanced one? That's the shortfall of Eve's PvP. Every system has it's strengths and weaknesses, that is Eve's weakness.
the green part says everything to counter your arguement. EVE is not a dueling game, in 4 years I've never had a 1v1 fight that wasn't planned between corp mates the entire time. EVE is not a 1v1 game so comparing a vet versus a new player will always be the minority. The Reality is that 99% of fights have at least one side with more than 1 player. And in those situations a new player can be helpful very quickly not in 1 year.
The reality in EVE is that you try and go it alone you'll never do well unless your an old character. Player corps are the key part to a new players career. That same scenario changes drastically when you add 2-4 other players from the new players corp as well as the assets of the corp to provide PVP fitted Frigs and Cruisers that a new player can use.
Its why you'll see many success story of people pvping with far less time ingame when they have a corp compared to almost none that have succeded going it alone. With a corp new players can get much of the same bonuses that an older player has because they are more and welcome to have a dedicated, tackler, EWAR, Remote Rep, Damage, etc. too add to thier side of a fight. EVE does has its strength and weakness and the Skill training system is not one of them, If anything it is that it does not support Solo minded players.
Yeah, EVE's PvP community is the absolute worst! I'll give an example that happened just last night. One of my corpmates, in a Vexor, found a Jaguar, ratting in our home system. The Vexor pounced, locked, then blew up the jaguar. The smack that ensued is quite telling of the low quality of player that makes up the EVE community:
Victim> Good fight (corpies name) Corpmate> Yeah, same
It is things like this that give the EVE PvP community such a bad name. In what other game would you find such an immature exchange as this?
Trust me, I've seen alternate endings to such scenarios. Sugar coating your community with one possible outcome from a PvP battle is not helping your cause.
outside of parts of goonswarm and the token idiot -- if you smack talk in local -- you're on probation or simply out the corp.
it's not something a pvp corp/alliance tolerates.
but please, do show that you don't know the eve community MOAR with MOAR POASTINGS.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Eve has a great community because paying players jack into the game "HIT TRAIN" ALT TAB and go watch a movie. then log onto any other Free to Play but you must pay to get bank access/story line/bigger bags ect games....... did i miss anything, yes i know i did.(rofl).
1 - what time sinks are (in all mmos)
2 - what grinding is (in all mmos)
3 - how 1&2 in eve compare to 1&2 in other mmos.
poasting like that above are why eve players get the "elitist" tag; because there is nothing you can say other than "ok bye, no one cares"
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Hmm lets see "most mature".. just like every .. EVERY other mmo it has crap being talking about in chat.. some of the stuff they get away with is just awful. I played EVE for a while and please.. its not hard to learn its nothing more than you like the game so you play it. Dont piss on others that dont and then make them look stupid for NOT wanting to play it. Its a OLD mmo.. people love SWG, EQ, Vanguard , War and LMAO EVE is not complicated. Just a HINT..its not a good idea to start the 1st line with TROLL in it. You lose alot of readers. You want others to read how fun EVE is. The best you well get is people that already play the game. You would have better luck talking in chat in game haha..
i wish you'd tell the people that constantly complain that it's not very hard... matter of fact, that can be your new nickname AND job. grats! so now you can be a contributor and prove your words!
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
outside of parts of goonswarm and the token idiot -- if you smack talk in local -- you're on probation or simply out the corp.
it's not something a pvp corp/alliance tolerates.
but please, do show that you don't know the eve community MOAR with MOAR POASTINGS.
Yep my alliance is Strictly stay the hell out of local with the exception of Good fight/Well played/etc.Funny part of it I have said Nastier things to my Corp/Alliance/Coalition members for saying something else in local then ever said to an enemy.
I've had nice talks in Local with the people who ganked my carrier before, Got to love Veto corp nice group of people. And if you do get one of the idiots that trash talk in local its usually trying to goad you into doing something stupid anyway so just think of its as Psyop tactics
I spent the last 2 months playing Eve and a majority of it was spent with a Corp that pretty much begged me to join them. Sure, the Corp was mature for the most part, except for the constant attacks made by fellow corpmates trying to blow your ship up. (leave the corp... no one has ever attacked me from my Corp unless we agreed to do some PVP training) Yes folks, only in Eve can you find such stupidity when it comes to game tactics. You thought DAoC was bad with realm spies, well, Eve is full of asshats that enjoy joining corps and then dismantling you from the inside out by destroying your newly built or purchased Orca's. (yes, espionage and sabotage is part of the game, EVE is not a friendly place - be careful who you trust. If you don't like this game mechanic then play another game and stop whining) Eve has a mature community? Older community, yes. Mature? Not so much. Eve was and still is a gankfest ridden game. (It's a PVP game remember?) Of course, you can't expect much more than that from a PvP game. (But apparently you just did????) Apparently smack talk is a necessity because veteran players keep trying to tell everyone a 2 year vet can still be outgunned or outmanuevered by a week old rookie. (Yes, they can and I have personally seen it - get caught in the wrong ship at the wrong time and you are toast) I have yet to see that happen, but don't worry, veterans will continue to spew that crap forever. How else can you convince new players to join the game if they were under the impression that they'd never be as good (combat skills don't take that long to train if you focus on them from the start and ignore crafting/mining or have alts for that) as someone who's been in game a few more years then them. Eve in itself is a beautiful well thought out game. With a few major hiccups concerning gameplay, which benefit veterans over rookies, along with the not so mature community, (every MMO community qualifies for that statement - find a CORP that doesn't attack you [wtf - never seen anyone stay in a CORP after that????] and ignore the jerks - better yet, get your corpmates and blow their asses up) Eve is a pretty decent game. Than again, you could say the same thing about any MMO.
Sorry, don't mean to be so harsh but I am sick of people blasting this stuff across the forums. The game has a free trial, go play another game if you don't like it. Seriously... you stayed in a CORP that attacked you?
Don't apologize for being an elitist, you would never be a Eve fanboy if you weren't. By the way, 677 hours spent playing Eve, so I think I know atleast a little bit about the game. MY experience has good points and that is fine and dandy, but when a discussion comes up about Eve community being mature, hell to the no, it's far from it.
Sure, I may find some game mechanics in Eve to be nothing more than childish forms of gameplay, feeding the ganker frenzy, so what, I'm entitled to my opinion. From my 12 year MMO experience, 5000+ hours of gameplay and 30 or so MMO's, I can and will tell you right now, Eve community is by far not the most mature. Is it more mature than say WoW? Absolutely, but it's definately not in my top 5 for most mature communities.
I am a Fanboi of no game, I just get sick of trolls and that's how you came across. By the way, I have no idea how many hours I have played online but I have been in MMO's since EQ1 so don't try to hit me over the head with your experience. I simply argue that EVE is no worse then any other PVP MMO. Some of the PVE MMO's like FFXI or LOTRO are better but what do you expect in a co-op environment?
Just in case your wondering, the discussion is about Eve having one of the most mature communities in the MMO industry. There is no specification of PvP MMO's or Hardcore Elitist MMO's, but overall. So, with that being said, if you can honestly sit their and type Eve has one of the best and most mature communities, go ahead, cause I just can't agree with that.
Just in case you're wondering, the discussion is NOT about Eve having one of the most mature communities in the MMO industry. It is about the OP's experience in game with his particular CORP and his description of the community as a "great" community and one of the best "he/she" has been a part of.
And I will say that the portion of the EVE community that I have interacted with (or regularly interact with now) is one of the best I have ever experienced. Every game has it's fair share of idiots and EVE is no different, I think we might both agree that PVP centric games are going to have more jerks because their is far more opportunity for smack talk. But, I have had run-ins with those jerks in every game I have ever played.
And I am fine if you disagree, you probably just ran into more, or maybe just different, idiots from me. It happens on the internet. I'd argue that these forums (all of them) are far worse than the online community in EVE.
Lastly... I don't consider either EVE or myself to be elitist, but thanks (twice) for the pot-shot.
Well, once again, I beg to differ. My experience both in-game and on these forums and especially on Eve Forums is that most, not all, but most veteran players are elitists. They all seem to think they know everything but rather than give advice, they fight amongst themselves and others about who is actually right.
I still find Eve as having a not so friendly community and I have my 677 hours of proof. You have your opinion, which I already said, is fine, but I don't agree with it.
just because you've played a game for 10,000 hours or 10,000 years does NOT mean you know ANYTHING about that game.
being a "vet" of a game, does not mean you know ANYTHING about that game. god knows there's some noobs-for-life that have played eve for years, and have no clue wtf they're doing still.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
actually rookies can catch up battlecruiser lvl 5 from a rookie has the same stats as the battlecruiser lvl 5 from the vets. and the vet can't get a lvl 6 because there is no lvl 6. so there is a cap. give me 1 year and ill be able to fit a raven battleship equally if not better than a 4 year vet. the only difference is that the vet may have social skills, industrial skills and corporation management skills more than me, though those skills are kind of useless in a pvp fight. whats the point in being able to fly a destroyer when you are piloting a interceptor? so i would say at one time one may use a limited amount of skills that does not represent the total skills a player has
Which means if he loses he can replace that ship far quicker than you. The penalty for him is vastly lighter than the penalty for you. Why? Because he has played the game longer.
In fact he may even return in another premade (and quite possibly vastly superior) ship and just take revenge upon you. Or he may just call upon his 4 year established network of mates to turn up and gank you for your trouble.
If you want to look at the game in the just the very limited perspective of 2 evenly matched ships fighting eachother then yes it is perfectly balanced. But this game does not encourage evenly matched duels. There are no level capped PvP arena's or instances like in WoW. No dueling system.
More relavently that it takes you an entire year before you can hold your own against a more established player (and then only in a very contrived scenario) is precisely the point everyone is making.
Do you really think a game that requires you to invest a year of your time to achieve a limited competative parity is a well balanced one?
That's the shortfall of Eve's PvP. Every system has it's strengths and weaknesses, that is Eve's weakness.
now compare that supposed weakness to any other game who has pvp as its core.
but be sure to let us know if when you die (in these other mmos), do you lose anything? if so, what might you lose?
also, in these other mmos, is it possible for a player that's been playing for 2+ years to go to the area of rookies and gank nonstop? is there ANY way those rookies could possibly take out that "vet"? cuz in eve, they can, and do.
but please, do elaborate for our edification.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
"You can tell the OPs that do not play the game beyond: Make a toon - get in your Ibis - leave hangar - shoot a Raven - get owned by Concord - talk smack in Rookie Chat - exit game." How can you tell? Crystal ball? Super psychic macho powers? Your dog tells you?
For a moment after reading some of the replies in this thread I thought I was in the Darkfall forums! "Don't talk bad about me game! Grrr...!" "Are you saying something negative? You sir, are a troll...Grrrr...!"
i'd go with "their obvious lack of knowledge of anything about the game, aside from what you'd learn from not doing the tutorial and wandering around for an hour or two."
but that's just me.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
actually rookies can catch up battlecruiser lvl 5 from a rookie has the same stats as the battlecruiser lvl 5 from the vets. and the vet can't get a lvl 6 because there is no lvl 6. so there is a cap. give me 1 year and ill be able to fit a raven battleship equally if not better than a 4 year vet. the only difference is that the vet may have social skills, industrial skills and corporation management skills more than me, though those skills are kind of useless in a pvp fight. whats the point in being able to fly a destroyer when you are piloting a interceptor? so i would say at one time one may use a limited amount of skills that does not represent the total skills a player has
Which means if he loses he can replace that ship far quicker than you. The penalty for him is vastly lighter than the penalty for you. Why? Because he has played the game longer.
In fact he may even return in another premade (and quite possibly vastly superior) ship and just take revenge upon you. Or he may just call upon his 4 year established network of mates to turn up and gank you for your trouble. whats the difference in any other MMO? anyone with a 4 year experience will have an established network of mates. And as for revenge, the world is so big, by the time they get back i may be 4-5-6-10 jumps away.
If you want to look at the game in the just the very limited perspective of 2 evenly matched ships fighting eachother then yes it is perfectly balanced. But this game does not encourage evenly matched duels. There are no level capped PvP arena's or instances like in WoW. No dueling system.
because there is no such thing as dueling. and it is part of the game, when i go into 0.0 space i always bring a buddy. this is not a solo game. you need friends to survive. and there is no level cap because there are no levels, only skills and then again those skills are capped, no one can have more than lvl 5 cruiser.
More relavently that it takes you an entire year before you can hold your own against a more established player (and then only in a very contrived scenario) is precisely the point everyone is making. how bout staying with your corp. EVE is not about holding yourself up against an army, its being part of a greater fleet. being part of a corporation. its not your wallet that is important its the corp in which you live because most of the time they will be the one suplying you with stuff.
Do you really think a game that requires you to invest a year of your time to achieve a limited competative parity is a well balanced one? been playing for 2 months now. and i am getting competitive and i am viable in every fleet i go, get in a cheap frigate and jam the hell out of every one, or stay back in my missile boat and pick targets and barrage them.
That's the shortfall of Eve's PvP. Every system has it's strengths and weaknesses, that is Eve's weakness.
what you look for in a game is instant gratification. i want it all and i want it now. EVE is not like that. YOU CAN'T have it all but your CORP maybe able to get a big chunck of it
I really hope this thread dissuades some people from playing EVE, not because the EVE isn't great but because EVE does not need and does not want the type of people that it would dissuade.
If you want PvE there are many other mmos that do it better. EVE is about hardcore pvp, whether in a ship or in a station daytrading. Most people can not hack it in EVE, it is not and never will be a casual game. It is unremitting warfare, open or covert. If you are playing EVE and think you are not at war, or are safe, you are simply wrong.
I strongly suspect that CCP puts PvE in the game simply to subsidize the rest of us who play the actual game in 0.0. I think ambulation (walking in stations) is going to bring a lot of new cash into the game, with a lot of Baff-like clowns sitting and playing holographic strategy games in strip bars. That is fine, like I said, you will be paying your 15$/€ per month and Ill still be playing for “free”.
I guess it comes down to what you call a great community. EVE has the best community I have seen since the days of pen and paper rpgs tourneys. The average age is much higher than other mmos and the level of organization and complexity can truly boggle the mind. Try coordinating the actions of thousands of players towards a common goal.
In any case, EVE is for the top 1% of PC gamers, no matter how much you try to counter that, it is still true and you wont know you are wrong unless you spend years in EVE. Enjoy
Gotta love WoW players coming here talking crap about our community.
Jesus christ I feel like im in a twilight zone episode.
What did you not understand about Eve being a cold, harsh, game world before you decided to try the game?
CCP gives us all these tools, they don't handhold like other Inferior games the trolls in this thread play.
Just like Real life Eve isn't all sunshine and rainbows, when push comes to shove people will be cruel and ruthless.
This is the way we like the game to be, It's not my problem that you guys can't hack it.
Hell.... my first four months in the game were spent in empire mining and running missions, I never got ganked or blown up. I'm not stupid I took the time to understand how things work in the game.
Joining a corp and letting them blow you up over and over shows stupidity.
letting someone can flip you, shows stupidity. Getting suicide ganked cause you were afk hauling shows stupidity. stupidity is a disease, Its our job to exploit this and cure you of it. Don't come here and bitch. Thank us and move along.
I've been playing for going on my 3rd week and i must say i'm impressed. I'm not much the space sci-fi freak by any ways but this game is something *different* and *refreshing* for us LONG time MMO player's to experience. The learning curve of just figuring out the basics is very high. You could play this game for years and not know it all which is a good thing. No END game so no worry about running out of things to do.
This game will NOT appeal to anybody not seeking a serious mental challenge. Nothing in this game is hand fed to you like games like *WOW*. do. Yeah it was frustrating on day one but once you begin to figure the basics out it gets better and better. The first week i played i kept saying this game isn't for me and the more i learned the more i've become interested in the complexity of the game itself. There is no direction, there are no rules per say. The game is totally player controlled in every aspect. I mean what other game allows you to be a pirate or a banker or IPO all in the same game. There is so much in this game you don't have to be a combatant.
Community seems very mature and the trash is generally policed quite nicely by CCP. Once of the reasons for that is simple difficulty. That in itself doesn't appeal to hack and slash button spammers. Most people i've came accross seemed to be willing to help. Don't come begging for money its not tolerated. You must earn your way to the top. It's just a totally different gaming experience. The challenge is a draw in itself. Who wants a game with an ending compared to a game that has endless possibilities. 35,000 players on a single server dwarfs any game i know of for population hehe. Some will like it but more will hate it. Only way you will find out is if you try it out. Glad i found this game since there is probably not going to be another decent MMO released in next 5 years or so. I've now got something to keep me entertained for a long time.
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My alt is 2 months old and already holding her own. just wait till i get recon5 and get into a pilgrim, its going to be rape central.
essentially i can compete in almost no time at all, because i know what im doing and newbs dont. so a smart new player will do better than a bad one.
i really wish people would stop saying that they cant compete, all it is is another way of saying "im bad at eve, and it is too hard".
Which means if he loses he can replace that ship far quicker than you. The penalty for him is vastly lighter than the penalty for you. Why? Because he has played the game longer.
In fact he may even return in another premade (and quite possibly vastly superior) ship and just take revenge upon you. Or he may just call upon his 4 year established network of mates to turn up and gank you for your trouble.
If you want to look at the game in the just the very limited perspective of 2 evenly matched ships fighting eachother then yes it is perfectly balanced. But this game does not encourage evenly matched duels. There are no level capped PvP arena's or instances like in WoW. No dueling system.
More relavently that it takes you an entire year before you can hold your own against a more established player (and then only in a very contrived scenario) is precisely the point everyone is making.
Do you really think a game that requires you to invest a year of your time to achieve a limited competative parity is a well balanced one?
That's the shortfall of Eve's PvP. Every system has it's strengths and weaknesses, that is Eve's weakness.
Baff, You are here trolling again ? Haven't seen you around for a while. What happened ? No other games out there being made or should I say changing the game to suit your wants ?
So bored that you come to the Eve forums to troll again ? You do nothing but make up shit and lie to new players here looking for legitimate help. Seriously go away and never come back again.
If you like paying money to be sub-par for extremely long periods of time. If you want a game that will let you NEVER EVER catch up to the folks who've been playing prior to you, regardless of how much effort you put in, EvE may be for you.
The community was why I left EvE. You folks keep saying how great everyone is. I spent 2 weeks in game and saw one asshole after another in chat. Evidently none of you were playing and all of them were...or this is all just bs pushed by fanbois.
The game is beautiful. But that's the only thing I can say good about it. Gameplay was boring as hell. Travel times were longer than was fun. Missions / PVE content =- boring as hell.
If you like PVE don't bother with EvE
there's a lot of old sayings that are still around for a reason.
such an old saying comes to mind at this moment -- birds of a feather... flock together.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I like (well, one part of) the community because I recently rolled Amarr (there's no arguing that Amarr have the curviest, smoothest, most futuristic and coolest looking ships, Stargates, and Stations out there!) and when I went into the noob Corp channel, there was a raging debate about God vs. Big Bang, Evolution, Global Warming, the Peanut Butter/Salmonella incident, and some other controversial issue which will never be settled but is fun to debate about.
Amarr ftw.
Oh yeah, I agree with OP too
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
you played eve for two months and had bought and were flying an orca?
then you joined a corp that begged you to join them and they then blew up your orca?
um... are you forgetting to tell us something? or a lot of somethings?
how long does it take you to catch up to people in a game like wow? for how many hours must you grind to get to max level? then grind to get 5 professions to max level (counting stuff like fishing/cooking/first aid), then grind reputation to get the purples you want from those guys? then grind (updated every 3 months) to get the next tier of gear? keep in mind wow won't always have a new expansion out, with fresh new instances to grind, but when they do, it'll be +10 levels to get to that new max level raid dungeon.
seriously then, how many months before you COULD engage in meaningful pvp in wow... oh wait, there is none. you never take and hold territory or anything of value for months at a time; because as soon as you log off, someone else can walk right in and it's theirs. so much for having a home/housing.
seriously, go spout off about how long it takes you to catch up to everyone that's been playing other MMOs, especially when you CAN be pvping with a corp against vets with dozens of millions of SP more than you, in your trial period in eve.
just because someone can't be bothered to learn about a game before/while they're playing it -- does NOT mean that anyone has to listen to their interpretation of a game, based upon their LACK of knowing anything about said game. everyone has an opinion; that doesn't mean all opinions are educated, nor worth top dollar.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
"You can tell the OPs that do not play the game beyond: Make a toon - get in your Ibis - leave hangar - shoot a Raven - get owned by Concord - talk smack in Rookie Chat - exit game."
How can you tell?
Crystal ball? Super psychic macho powers? Your dog tells you?
For a moment after reading some of the replies in this thread I thought I was in the Darkfall forums!
"Don't talk bad about me game! Grrr...!" "Are you saying something negative? You sir, are a troll...Grrrr...!"
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
1) Of course it's not the norm, doesn't matter. The point is, Eve is the only game retarded enough to have a system that allows it.
2) We'll stop dragging up the conversation that rookies can never catch up, when rookies can actually catch up. Until such time, stop lying to people saying 1 week rookies can be as good as 2-5 year vets.
3) So, because people make a mistake, lose 2 weeks worth of isk, it's just bad luck or their fault for not reading 100 hours worth of tips that span the greater world web. Seriously, Eve is nothing more than a gankers wet dream and 90% of your so called mature community in fact want nothing more than to see some idiot newb reflip their cargo can or shoot at them cause they targeted them in concord space. Eve is not new player friendly and never will be, end of story.
1) don't smack talk people and you don't die. seriously, you've told us nothing of why people wanted to blow you up.
2) read threads in this very forum -- then apologize for the lies you just told in your 2). i'm not even going to start repeating something that's been explained to the point that a wee child barely able to read and comprehend CAN understand how you are simply WRONG.
3) yes, for not reading 100 hours worth of tips... like the one tip that EVERYONE tells EVERYONE -- don't fly what you can't afford to lose. but go on, tell me how you've been playing for 2 months and own an orca. eve is not idiot friendly and never will be, end of story. eve is not lazy moron friendly and never will be, end of story. eve is quite new player friendly, just not idiot or lazy moron friendly -- world of difference.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
the green part says everything to counter your arguement. EVE is not a dueling game, in 4 years I've never had a 1v1 fight that wasn't planned between corp mates the entire time. EVE is not a 1v1 game so comparing a vet versus a new player will always be the minority. The Reality is that 99% of fights have at least one side with more than 1 player. And in those situations a new player can be helpful very quickly not in 1 year.
The reality in EVE is that you try and go it alone you'll never do well unless your an old character. Player corps are the key part to a new players career. That same scenario changes drastically when you add 2-4 other players from the new players corp as well as the assets of the corp to provide PVP fitted Frigs and Cruisers that a new player can use.
Its why you'll see many success story of people pvping with far less time ingame when they have a corp compared to almost none that have succeded going it alone. With a corp new players can get much of the same bonuses that an older player has because they are more and welcome to have a dedicated, tackler, EWAR, Remote Rep, Damage, etc. too add to thier side of a fight. EVE does has its strength and weakness and the Skill training system is not one of them, If anything it is that it does not support Solo minded players.
Trust me, I've seen alternate endings to such scenarios. Sugar coating your community with one possible outcome from a PvP battle is not helping your cause.
outside of parts of goonswarm and the token idiot -- if you smack talk in local -- you're on probation or simply out the corp.
it's not something a pvp corp/alliance tolerates.
but please, do show that you don't know the eve community MOAR with MOAR POASTINGS.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
1 - what time sinks are (in all mmos)
2 - what grinding is (in all mmos)
3 - how 1&2 in eve compare to 1&2 in other mmos.
poasting like that above are why eve players get the "elitist" tag; because there is nothing you can say other than "ok bye, no one cares"
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
i wish you'd tell the people that constantly complain that it's not very hard... matter of fact, that can be your new nickname AND job. grats! so now you can be a contributor and prove your words!
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Yep my alliance is Strictly stay the hell out of local with the exception of Good fight/Well played/etc.Funny part of it I have said Nastier things to my Corp/Alliance/Coalition members for saying something else in local then ever said to an enemy.
I've had nice talks in Local with the people who ganked my carrier before, Got to love Veto corp nice group of people. And if you do get one of the idiots that trash talk in local its usually trying to goad you into doing something stupid anyway so just think of its as Psyop tactics
Sorry, don't mean to be so harsh but I am sick of people blasting this stuff across the forums. The game has a free trial, go play another game if you don't like it. Seriously... you stayed in a CORP that attacked you?
Don't apologize for being an elitist, you would never be a Eve fanboy if you weren't. By the way, 677 hours spent playing Eve, so I think I know atleast a little bit about the game. MY experience has good points and that is fine and dandy, but when a discussion comes up about Eve community being mature, hell to the no, it's far from it.
Sure, I may find some game mechanics in Eve to be nothing more than childish forms of gameplay, feeding the ganker frenzy, so what, I'm entitled to my opinion. From my 12 year MMO experience, 5000+ hours of gameplay and 30 or so MMO's, I can and will tell you right now, Eve community is by far not the most mature. Is it more mature than say WoW? Absolutely, but it's definately not in my top 5 for most mature communities.
I am a Fanboi of no game, I just get sick of trolls and that's how you came across. By the way, I have no idea how many hours I have played online but I have been in MMO's since EQ1 so don't try to hit me over the head with your experience. I simply argue that EVE is no worse then any other PVP MMO. Some of the PVE MMO's like FFXI or LOTRO are better but what do you expect in a co-op environment?
Just in case your wondering, the discussion is about Eve having one of the most mature communities in the MMO industry. There is no specification of PvP MMO's or Hardcore Elitist MMO's, but overall. So, with that being said, if you can honestly sit their and type Eve has one of the best and most mature communities, go ahead, cause I just can't agree with that.
Just in case you're wondering, the discussion is NOT about Eve having one of the most mature communities in the MMO industry. It is about the OP's experience in game with his particular CORP and his description of the community as a "great" community and one of the best "he/she" has been a part of.
And I will say that the portion of the EVE community that I have interacted with (or regularly interact with now) is one of the best I have ever experienced. Every game has it's fair share of idiots and EVE is no different, I think we might both agree that PVP centric games are going to have more jerks because their is far more opportunity for smack talk. But, I have had run-ins with those jerks in every game I have ever played.
And I am fine if you disagree, you probably just ran into more, or maybe just different, idiots from me. It happens on the internet. I'd argue that these forums (all of them) are far worse than the online community in EVE.
Lastly... I don't consider either EVE or myself to be elitist, but thanks (twice) for the pot-shot.
Well, once again, I beg to differ. My experience both in-game and on these forums and especially on Eve Forums is that most, not all, but most veteran players are elitists. They all seem to think they know everything but rather than give advice, they fight amongst themselves and others about who is actually right.
I still find Eve as having a not so friendly community and I have my 677 hours of proof. You have your opinion, which I already said, is fine, but I don't agree with it.
just because you've played a game for 10,000 hours or 10,000 years does NOT mean you know ANYTHING about that game.
being a "vet" of a game, does not mean you know ANYTHING about that game. god knows there's some noobs-for-life that have played eve for years, and have no clue wtf they're doing still.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Which means if he loses he can replace that ship far quicker than you. The penalty for him is vastly lighter than the penalty for you. Why? Because he has played the game longer.
In fact he may even return in another premade (and quite possibly vastly superior) ship and just take revenge upon you. Or he may just call upon his 4 year established network of mates to turn up and gank you for your trouble.
If you want to look at the game in the just the very limited perspective of 2 evenly matched ships fighting eachother then yes it is perfectly balanced. But this game does not encourage evenly matched duels. There are no level capped PvP arena's or instances like in WoW. No dueling system.
More relavently that it takes you an entire year before you can hold your own against a more established player (and then only in a very contrived scenario) is precisely the point everyone is making.
Do you really think a game that requires you to invest a year of your time to achieve a limited competative parity is a well balanced one?
That's the shortfall of Eve's PvP. Every system has it's strengths and weaknesses, that is Eve's weakness.
now compare that supposed weakness to any other game who has pvp as its core.
but be sure to let us know if when you die (in these other mmos), do you lose anything? if so, what might you lose?
also, in these other mmos, is it possible for a player that's been playing for 2+ years to go to the area of rookies and gank nonstop? is there ANY way those rookies could possibly take out that "vet"? cuz in eve, they can, and do.
but please, do elaborate for our edification.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
i'd go with "their obvious lack of knowledge of anything about the game, aside from what you'd learn from not doing the tutorial and wandering around for an hour or two."
but that's just me.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Which means if he loses he can replace that ship far quicker than you. The penalty for him is vastly lighter than the penalty for you. Why? Because he has played the game longer.
In fact he may even return in another premade (and quite possibly vastly superior) ship and just take revenge upon you. Or he may just call upon his 4 year established network of mates to turn up and gank you for your trouble. whats the difference in any other MMO? anyone with a 4 year experience will have an established network of mates. And as for revenge, the world is so big, by the time they get back i may be 4-5-6-10 jumps away.
If you want to look at the game in the just the very limited perspective of 2 evenly matched ships fighting eachother then yes it is perfectly balanced. But this game does not encourage evenly matched duels. There are no level capped PvP arena's or instances like in WoW. No dueling system.
because there is no such thing as dueling. and it is part of the game, when i go into 0.0 space i always bring a buddy. this is not a solo game. you need friends to survive. and there is no level cap because there are no levels, only skills and then again those skills are capped, no one can have more than lvl 5 cruiser.
More relavently that it takes you an entire year before you can hold your own against a more established player (and then only in a very contrived scenario) is precisely the point everyone is making. how bout staying with your corp. EVE is not about holding yourself up against an army, its being part of a greater fleet. being part of a corporation. its not your wallet that is important its the corp in which you live because most of the time they will be the one suplying you with stuff.
Do you really think a game that requires you to invest a year of your time to achieve a limited competative parity is a well balanced one? been playing for 2 months now. and i am getting competitive and i am viable in every fleet i go, get in a cheap frigate and jam the hell out of every one, or stay back in my missile boat and pick targets and barrage them.
That's the shortfall of Eve's PvP. Every system has it's strengths and weaknesses, that is Eve's weakness.
what you look for in a game is instant gratification. i want it all and i want it now. EVE is not like that. YOU CAN'T have it all but your CORP maybe able to get a big chunck of it
I have read many forums {usually on a break from work} since joining mmorpg and usually leave it to that - read the crap
It seems to me that if you like a game play it if not dont........
Why waste time with negative posts when you could be playing the games you like.
Come on ppl get back to playing or assisting those that do like a particular game.
I really hope this thread dissuades some people from playing EVE, not because the EVE isn't great but because EVE does not need and does not want the type of people that it would dissuade.
If you want PvE there are many other mmos that do it better. EVE is about hardcore pvp, whether in a ship or in a station daytrading. Most people can not hack it in EVE, it is not and never will be a casual game. It is unremitting warfare, open or covert. If you are playing EVE and think you are not at war, or are safe, you are simply wrong.
I strongly suspect that CCP puts PvE in the game simply to subsidize the rest of us who play the actual game in 0.0. I think ambulation (walking in stations) is going to bring a lot of new cash into the game, with a lot of Baff-like clowns sitting and playing holographic strategy games in strip bars. That is fine, like I said, you will be paying your 15$/€ per month and Ill still be playing for “free”.
I guess it comes down to what you call a great community. EVE has the best community I have seen since the days of pen and paper rpgs tourneys. The average age is much higher than other mmos and the level of organization and complexity can truly boggle the mind. Try coordinating the actions of thousands of players towards a common goal.
In any case, EVE is for the top 1% of PC gamers, no matter how much you try to counter that, it is still true and you wont know you are wrong unless you spend years in EVE. Enjoy
Yours in Top 1% Plasma,
Star*Dagger
Gotta love WoW players coming here talking crap about our community.
Jesus christ I feel like im in a twilight zone episode.
What did you not understand about Eve being a cold, harsh, game world before you decided to try the game?
CCP gives us all these tools, they don't handhold like other Inferior games the trolls in this thread play.
Just like Real life Eve isn't all sunshine and rainbows, when push comes to shove people will be cruel and ruthless.
This is the way we like the game to be, It's not my problem that you guys can't hack it.
Hell.... my first four months in the game were spent in empire mining and running missions, I never got ganked or blown up. I'm not stupid I took the time to understand how things work in the game.
Joining a corp and letting them blow you up over and over shows stupidity.
letting someone can flip you, shows stupidity. Getting suicide ganked cause you were afk hauling shows stupidity. stupidity is a disease, Its our job to exploit this and cure you of it. Don't come here and bitch. Thank us and move along.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
I've been playing for going on my 3rd week and i must say i'm impressed. I'm not much the space sci-fi freak by any ways but this game is something *different* and *refreshing* for us LONG time MMO player's to experience. The learning curve of just figuring out the basics is very high. You could play this game for years and not know it all which is a good thing. No END game so no worry about running out of things to do.
This game will NOT appeal to anybody not seeking a serious mental challenge. Nothing in this game is hand fed to you like games like *WOW*. do. Yeah it was frustrating on day one but once you begin to figure the basics out it gets better and better. The first week i played i kept saying this game isn't for me and the more i learned the more i've become interested in the complexity of the game itself. There is no direction, there are no rules per say. The game is totally player controlled in every aspect. I mean what other game allows you to be a pirate or a banker or IPO all in the same game. There is so much in this game you don't have to be a combatant.
Community seems very mature and the trash is generally policed quite nicely by CCP. Once of the reasons for that is simple difficulty. That in itself doesn't appeal to hack and slash button spammers. Most people i've came accross seemed to be willing to help. Don't come begging for money its not tolerated. You must earn your way to the top. It's just a totally different gaming experience. The challenge is a draw in itself. Who wants a game with an ending compared to a game that has endless possibilities. 35,000 players on a single server dwarfs any game i know of for population hehe. Some will like it but more will hate it. Only way you will find out is if you try it out. Glad i found this game since there is probably not going to be another decent MMO released in next 5 years or so. I've now got something to keep me entertained for a long time.