A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 9. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, BLIZZARD MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT OR THE EULA, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER. B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, BLIZZARD MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER AND ITS OPERATING SYSTEM, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT AND THE EULA. C. Blizzard may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, Chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (a) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (b) if Blizzard believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others. D. BLIZZARD MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Blizzard is under no obligation to monitor Chat, and you engage in Chat at your own risk. E. You are wholly responsible for the cost of all telephone and Internet access charges along with all necessary equipment, servicing, repair or correction incurred in maintaining connectivity to the Servers.
Yes, Blizz will take your cpu data etc also, but the difference is they dont give it to 3rd party like SOE said in their EULA, but only to law enforcement...
yeah was just posting it if someone was curious...i went and read the EULA for SOE...it sounds crappy and all but i would like an explanation from them as to what third parties they would be talking about, i usually don't panic over stuff like this and find it curious...as for them saying what third party means to them i won't hold my breath for an answer.
Just because they say third party doesn't mean it could be bad, but everyone here will make their own conclusions.
I agree, I would also like to know specifically what third-party companies they are releasing my personal information.
Let it be noted that not only does this mean more spam in your e-mail inbox, but also more junk mail in your actual mailbox. If I remember correctly, you must enter your home address as part of the account registration, and if they release that to a third-party company....
I'm guessing SOE thought that nobody would pay attention to a EULA change. They were wrong.
Now that is one Eula that is flat out Illegal. Are their lawyers that braindead too that they don't know about unenforcable contracts? Good grief, they can't give away private information, without you actively authorizing it, that does not include agreeing to a Eula. Any court in the land will toss that phrase out so fast....lots of case law to back that up! If they give away personal information without proof you authorized it and that does not include accepting the Eula button, they are breaking lots of laws. Maybe some agencies in Calif. should be looking at this company
Im afraid it actually DOES include the acceptance of the EULA. Its the core reason for having such an EULA and the moment you accept the terms, it is binding. You can pleed insaneness... that works, nothing else will.
I would like to push people to get a random IP. It is the only thing that can even remotely make your computer private. Also Vista provides reading protection of files, which is an obvious need.
Originally posted by Scalebane blizzzards if anyone was wondering what it says: Acknowledgments. You hereby acknowledge and agree that: A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 9. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, BLIZZARD MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT OR THE EULA, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER. B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, BLIZZARD MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER AND ITS OPERATING SYSTEM, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT AND THE EULA. C. Blizzard may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, Chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (a) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (b) if Blizzard believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others. D. BLIZZARD MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Blizzard is under no obligation to monitor Chat, and you engage in Chat at your own risk. E. You are wholly responsible for the cost of all telephone and Internet access charges along with all necessary equipment, servicing, repair or correction incurred in maintaining connectivity to the Servers.
Getting info about your PC and use it for they're purpose and sending Information about you and your PC to 3rd party's is something different in my book.
Blizzard changes their EULA's but none of you people bitch about that.
i would believe you if you quoted the eula part they changed, but atm all this is, is just random blizzard hate.
It's just to point out that the EULA gets updated and change for all mmorpgs out there and they casually make you constantly agree to it and blame you for not reading it each time they update it. SOE's asks you to agree to it each time you play and Blizzard's asks you to agree to it each time they update it.
You people just want to blame SOE for everything and thats not saying SOE are not blameless but all companies should make this more aware.
John there is a difference in updating an EULA to protect the game or reflect new features/rules that are added and trying to "disclose" your personal information to whomever SOE wants to. Lets not pretend that this is a similar situation.
SOE does not need to disclose personal information to private parties to help run this game. SOE is trying to change a one sided contract so that they can sell your personal information to whomever wants to buy it from them.
Trying to deflect this issue onto another company is just deceitful.
If you don't agree with the EULA then don't play the game because that's what it is there for but if you click agree and carry on playing then really it's your own fault if anything is to happen.
Blizzard changes their EULA's but none of you people bitch about that.
i would believe you if you quoted the eula part they changed, but atm all this is, is just random blizzard hate.
It's just to point out that the EULA gets updated and change for all mmorpgs out there and they casually make you constantly agree to it and blame you for not reading it each time they update it. SOE's asks you to agree to it each time you play and Blizzard's asks you to agree to it each time they update it.
You people just want to blame SOE for everything and thats not saying SOE are not blameless but all companies should make this more aware.
John there is a difference in updating an EULA to protect the game or reflect new features/rules that are added and trying to "disclose" your personal information to whomever SOE wants to. Lets not pretend that this is a similar situation.
SOE does not need to disclose personal information to private parties to help run this game. SOE is trying to change a one sided contract so that they can sell your personal information to whomever wants to buy it from them.
Trying to deflect this issue onto another company is just deceitful.
If you don't agree with the EULA then don't play the game because that's what it is there for but if you click agree and carry on playing then really it's your own fault if anything is to happen.
Exactly. It's good that the OP brought this to everyone's attention. Now if you continue to play SOE games I hope you get burned.
12: "We cannot ensure that your private communications and other personally identifiable information will not be disclosed to third parties. Additionally, we can (and you authorize us to) disclose any information about you to private entities. You expressly permit SOE to upload CPU, operating system, video card, sound card and memory information from your computer to analyze and optimize your Game experience, improve and maintain the Game and/or provide you with customer service. Furthermore, if you request any technical support, you consent to our remote accessing and review of the computer you load the Software onto for purposes of support and debugging."
So, basically if you have a tech support issue they want to remotely access your PC... much like HP/Dell/Microsoft will do as well. DAMN YOU SONY!
They also want to review the files and software on my PC at the same time? I have nothing to hide. I wonder why everyone is panicking... am I playing with giant software pirates or kiddie porn ring operators? I'd kinda like these people to get caught, actually...
Blizzard changes their EULA's but none of you people bitch about that.
i would believe you if you quoted the eula part they changed, but atm all this is, is just random blizzard hate.
It's just to point out that the EULA gets updated and change for all mmorpgs out there and they casually make you constantly agree to it and blame you for not reading it each time they update it. SOE's asks you to agree to it each time you play and Blizzard's asks you to agree to it each time they update it.
You people just want to blame SOE for everything and thats not saying SOE are not blameless but all companies should make this more aware.
John there is a difference in updating an EULA to protect the game or reflect new features/rules that are added and trying to "disclose" your personal information to whomever SOE wants to. Lets not pretend that this is a similar situation.
SOE does not need to disclose personal information to private parties to help run this game. SOE is trying to change a one sided contract so that they can sell your personal information to whomever wants to buy it from them.
Trying to deflect this issue onto another company is just deceitful.
If you don't agree with the EULA then don't play the game because that's what it is there for but if you click agree and carry on playing then really it's your own fault if anything is to happen.
There are certain things that can be added to a EULA and certain things that cannot. It is a one way contract and in order for it to be enforcable both parties need to have bargaining power beyond normal expectations of what a EULA protects the companys property from. SOE can't for example put into the EULA that they can use your credit card to buy whatever they want with it and have any chance of standing up in court when they are charged with fraud.
Discussion of the points is important. SOE can't just slip in permission to sell your information in an cleverly disguised manner and the end user either has to like it or leave it and blaming the player for being at fault is lame. Beyond that is just shows how unethical this company is and their desperation to squeeze every last nickle out of their dwindling subscriber base at any cost.
I can not play the game and still have an opinion.
12: "We cannot ensure that your private communications and other personally identifiable information will not be disclosed to third parties. Additionally, we can (and you authorize us to) disclose any information about you to private entities. You expressly permit SOE to upload CPU, operating system, video card, sound card and memory information from your computer to analyze and optimize your Game experience, improve and maintain the Game and/or provide you with customer service. Furthermore, if you request any technical support, you consent to our remote accessing and review of the computer you load the Software onto for purposes of support and debugging."
So, basically if you have a tech support issue they want to remotely access your PC... much like HP/Dell/Microsoft will do as well. DAMN YOU SONY!
They also want to review the files and software on my PC at the same time? I have nothing to hide. I wonder why everyone is panicking... am I playing with giant software pirates or kiddie porn ring operators? I'd kinda like these people to get caught, actually...
Did you even read? This is not SOE trying to help, but they may be selling whatever data you have in your pc to others.
Maybe you dont have sensitive things (not prono, but work related etc) on your pc, but that dosen't means the rest of us don't.
I don't know about countries outside the EU, but here in the UK this EULA is Illigal. Here is the extract from the EULA:
"We cannot ensure that your private communications and other personally identifiable information will not be disclosed to third parties."
And here is the relevant extract from the Data Protection Act 1998 which makes the EULA illegal:
*Data must not be disclosed to other parties without the consent of the individual whom it is about, unless there is legislation or other overriding legitimate reason to share the information (for example, the prevention or detection of crime). It is an offence for Other Parties to obtain this personal data without your authorisation.
*Data may only be used for the specific purposes for which it was collected.
You can follow my step and bring this to SOE's/Sony attention by emailing them. They have 40 days in which to get back to you under this law, if they don't then you can contact the Information Commissioner's Office by downloading and completing this form and sending to the adress on the form itself, or by filling this electronic form (Microsoft Word required) and sending it to: [email protected]. These forms above are just for UK users. This is an European directive so the rules above apply to pretty much all EU countries, however you need to check how to get in touch with the information commisioner in your individual countries. I have no idea what the information law is like in the US.
Blizzard changes their EULA's but none of you people bitch about that.
i would believe you if you quoted the eula part they changed, but atm all this is, is just random blizzard hate.
It's just to point out that the EULA gets updated and change for all mmorpgs out there and they casually make you constantly agree to it and blame you for not reading it each time they update it. SOE's asks you to agree to it each time you play and Blizzard's asks you to agree to it each time they update it.
You people just want to blame SOE for everything and thats not saying SOE are not blameless but all companies should make this more aware.
John there is a difference in updating an EULA to protect the game or reflect new features/rules that are added and trying to "disclose" your personal information to whomever SOE wants to. Lets not pretend that this is a similar situation.
SOE does not need to disclose personal information to private parties to help run this game. SOE is trying to change a one sided contract so that they can sell your personal information to whomever wants to buy it from them.
Trying to deflect this issue onto another company is just deceitful.
If you don't agree with the EULA then don't play the game because that's what it is there for but if you click agree and carry on playing then really it's your own fault if anything is to happen.
There are certain things that can be added to a EULA and certain things that cannot. It is a one way contract and in order for it to be enforcable both parties need to have bargaining power beyond normal expectations of what a EULA protects the companys property from. SOE can't for example put into the EULA that they can use your credit card to buy whatever they want with it and have any chance of standing up in court when they are charged with fraud.
Discussion of the points is important. SOE can't just slip in permission to sell your information in an cleverly disguised manner and the end user either has to like it or leave it and blaming the player for being at fault is lame. Beyond that is just shows how unethical this company is and their desperation to squeeze every last nickle out of their dwindling subscriber base at any cost.
I can not play the game and still have an opinion.
They have alot of Lawyers who look into stuff like this to make sure they can't be sued or anything so they obviously can.
They have alot of Lawyers who look into stuff like this to make sure they can't be sued or anything so they obviously can.
Well I guess you have me there, because no big corporation with lawyers has ever put anything that violates a law in their EULA. *Pst! look at response about the legality of this in the EU*
Let's take a look at EULA's from other games shall we?
World of Warcraft
Consent to Monitor.
WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE PROHIBITED BY SECTION 2. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, THE GAME MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
EVE Online
CCP may monitor usage of the System to gather statistical information that it may disclose to third parties. CCP may also contact you using the information you provided to, for example, provide technical support, respond to user inquiries, transmit questionnaires and offer products and services. You may also verify and update your Account information by logging into your Account through the account management page at https://secure.eve-online.com/login.asp.
Turbine - Lord of the Rings (my personal favorite)
To the extent permitted under applicable laws, you hereby waive any moral rights you may have in any and all Content.
EVERY MMO monitors their software and hardware it is running on in some way, shape or form. You understand this when you click accept on the eula.
Let's take a look at EULA's from other games shall we? World of Warcraft Consent to Monitor.
WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE PROHIBITED BY SECTION 2. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, THE GAME MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER. EVE Online CCP may monitor usage of the System to gather statistical information that it may disclose to third parties. CCP may also contact you using the information you provided to, for example, provide technical support, respond to user inquiries, transmit questionnaires and offer products and services. You may also verify and update your Account information by logging into your Account through the account management page at https://secure.eve-online.com/login.asp. Turbine - Lord of the Rings (my personal favorite) To the extent permitted under applicable laws, you hereby waive any moral rights you may have in any and all Content.
EVERY MMO monitors their software and hardware it is running on in some way, shape or form. You understand this when you click accept on the eula.
Again, the SOE hate is funny! keep it coming!
Only SoE says explicitly they authorise themselves in giving "private communications and other personally identifiable information" to "third parties" and "private entities".
Did you even bother to read the thread or did you just press reply to voice a random opinion which has nothing to do with the subject like most people on the internet?
Next time please read the threads so we don't have to read all the nonsense in between.
I just read it. You should have quoted the whole thing and not just parts. It's basically been altered so that if a legal authority (police, governmental agency etc) wants to get your info, they can without having to go through a judge. I don't see the harm in this.
You don't see harm in this?!?
So some "legal authority" wants access to your information and you are perfectly happy to give them complete access to you and your information WITHOUT A JUDGE FIRST APPROVING? No warrant, no probable cause? Have you ever heard of due process? Or the constitution? Your rights??
Holy smokes man!
NO!
pardon me while I have an aneurysm
The justice system is equally broken so either way you look at it your boned. When someone can tap your phone in the name of "fighting terrorism" there is nothing the people can do anymore. Just sit back and get the lube ready so it won't hurt as bad.
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Let's take a look at EULA's from other games shall we? World of Warcraft Consent to Monitor.
WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE PROHIBITED BY SECTION 2. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, THE GAME MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER. EVE Online CCP may monitor usage of the System to gather statistical information that it may disclose to third parties. CCP may also contact you using the information you provided to, for example, provide technical support, respond to user inquiries, transmit questionnaires and offer products and services. You may also verify and update your Account information by logging into your Account through the account management page at https://secure.eve-online.com/login.asp. Turbine - Lord of the Rings (my personal favorite) To the extent permitted under applicable laws, you hereby waive any moral rights you may have in any and all Content.
EVERY MMO monitors their software and hardware it is running on in some way, shape or form. You understand this when you click accept on the eula.
Again, the SOE hate is funny! keep it coming!
Only SoE says explicitly they authorise themselves in giving "private communications and other personally identifiable information" to "third parties" and "private entities".
Did you even bother to read the thread or did you just press reply to voice a random opinion which has nothing to do with the subject like most people on the internet?
Next time please read the threads so we don't have to read all the nonsense in between.
A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 9. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, BLIZZARD MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT OR THE EULA, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER. B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, BLIZZARD MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER AND ITS OPERATING SYSTEM, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT AND THE EULA. C. Blizzard may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, Chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (a) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (b) if Blizzard believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others. D. BLIZZARD MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Blizzard is under no obligation to monitor Chat, and you engage in Chat at your own risk. E. You are wholly responsible for the cost of all telephone and Internet access charges along with all necessary equipment, servicing, repair or correction incurred in maintaining connectivity to the Servers.
Yes, Blizz will take your cpu data etc also, but the difference is they dont give it to 3rd party like SOE said in their EULA, but only to law enforcement...
yeah was just posting it if someone was curious...i went and read the EULA for SOE...it sounds crappy and all but i would like an explanation from them as to what third parties they would be talking about, i usually don't panic over stuff like this and find it curious...as for them saying what third party means to them i won't hold my breath for an answer.
Just because they say third party doesn't mean it could be bad, but everyone here will make their own conclusions.
I agree, I would also like to know specifically what third-party companies they are releasing my personal information.
Let it be noted that not only does this mean more spam in your e-mail inbox, but also more junk mail in your actual mailbox. If I remember correctly, you must enter your home address as part of the account registration, and if they release that to a third-party company....
I'm guessing SOE thought that nobody would pay attention to a EULA change. They were wrong.
Umm as far as your home address and e-mail address they don't need to scan your computer to get that, you give all that to them when you setup the acct.
Assassin's like to do it in the dark and from behind.
Blizzard changes their EULA's but none of you people bitch about that.
i would believe you if you quoted the eula part they changed, but atm all this is, is just random blizzard hate.
It's just to point out that the EULA gets updated and change for all mmorpgs out there and they casually make you constantly agree to it and blame you for not reading it each time they update it. SOE's asks you to agree to it each time you play and Blizzard's asks you to agree to it each time they update it.
You people just want to blame SOE for everything and thats not saying SOE are not blameless but all companies should make this more aware.
John there is a difference in updating an EULA to protect the game or reflect new features/rules that are added and trying to "disclose" your personal information to whomever SOE wants to. Lets not pretend that this is a similar situation.
SOE does not need to disclose personal information to private parties to help run this game. SOE is trying to change a one sided contract so that they can sell your personal information to whomever wants to buy it from them.
Trying to deflect this issue onto another company is just deceitful.
If you don't agree with the EULA then don't play the game because that's what it is there for but if you click agree and carry on playing then really it's your own fault if anything is to happen.
There are certain things that can be added to a EULA and certain things that cannot. It is a one way contract and in order for it to be enforcable both parties need to have bargaining power beyond normal expectations of what a EULA protects the companys property from. SOE can't for example put into the EULA that they can use your credit card to buy whatever they want with it and have any chance of standing up in court when they are charged with fraud.
Discussion of the points is important. SOE can't just slip in permission to sell your information in an cleverly disguised manner and the end user either has to like it or leave it and blaming the player for being at fault is lame. Beyond that is just shows how unethical this company is and their desperation to squeeze every last nickle out of their dwindling subscriber base at any cost.
I can not play the game and still have an opinion.
They have alot of Lawyers who look into stuff like this to make sure they can't be sued or anything so they obviously can.
What an ignorant statement. You think because some corporate lawyer might havebsigned off on this that everything is fine and dandy?
Sorry to break it to you, but there are lots of lawyers out there, including the ones in corporations that will attempt to bend every law out there. This is clearly such an attempt and it directly violates consumer protection laws. You can definitely expect a class action suit out of this.
Maybe it's just me, but I can't say it's anymore pathetic than Blizzard's rules limiting one account per person. Think of it like this, if a parent wanted to purchase WoW for his/her three children, he/she would would need to buy the game three times and then proceede to pay the subscription fee x3. That right there is what I consider a flawed EULA.
Could you possibly tell us what games allows you to buy one box, have multiple accounts for different ppl? And multiple accounts on one sub? This is seriously the first I have ever heard of such a thing. As far as I have known, in all my years of gaming...if you want multiple accounts, you pay for multiple boxes and subs.
So if a guy in collage buys a game, then he should be able to make an account for himself, and make several accounts for his friends, call them his kids, and only hafta pay for one sub fee?
Ok thats it, i will bring the pitchforks who can bring the torches? People really need to get a grip, is anyone still able to believe that their information is safe? For the naive, this has been going on for years, yes young puppies even before the internet. Get a grip for gods sake. Sounds like sony has a real stealthy operation going here, gee just because they disclosed it doenst mean its not stealthy....wait!! i see a black helicopter with sony on the side of it outside my window. Oh no biggie, they just wanted to get my payment for all the uber gear i bought from the station store, which i bought so i can be better than all the poor folks without a few bucks left over after their expenditures for high speed internet and their gaming rigs not to mention the evil monthy fee they have to pay. Some people need something to be pissed off about or scared of to be able to function in their daily lives. Cant wait to read about the next horrible thing sony is going to do us.
your absolutely right. this has went on for years. and think about this also. anytime you install anything be it from disc or via internet you are vulnerable. sony , ms, blizzard all have people working for them that can get whatever information they want from you at anytime. If someone with the kind of money these folks have wants your info they can get it and probably already have it.
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Yes, Blizz will take your cpu data etc also, but the difference is they dont give it to 3rd party like SOE said in their EULA, but only to law enforcement...
yeah was just posting it if someone was curious...i went and read the EULA for SOE...it sounds crappy and all but i would like an explanation from them as to what third parties they would be talking about, i usually don't panic over stuff like this and find it curious...as for them saying what third party means to them i won't hold my breath for an answer.
Just because they say third party doesn't mean it could be bad, but everyone here will make their own conclusions.
I agree, I would also like to know specifically what third-party companies they are releasing my personal information.
Let it be noted that not only does this mean more spam in your e-mail inbox, but also more junk mail in your actual mailbox. If I remember correctly, you must enter your home address as part of the account registration, and if they release that to a third-party company....
I'm guessing SOE thought that nobody would pay attention to a EULA change. They were wrong.
Im afraid it actually DOES include the acceptance of the EULA. Its the core reason for having such an EULA and the moment you accept the terms, it is binding. You can pleed insaneness... that works, nothing else will.
I would like to push people to get a random IP. It is the only thing that can even remotely make your computer private. Also Vista provides reading protection of files, which is an obvious need.
Getting info about your PC and use it for they're purpose and sending Information about you and your PC to 3rd party's is something different in my book.
i would believe you if you quoted the eula part they changed, but atm all this is, is just random blizzard hate.
It's just to point out that the EULA gets updated and change for all mmorpgs out there and they casually make you constantly agree to it and blame you for not reading it each time they update it. SOE's asks you to agree to it each time you play and Blizzard's asks you to agree to it each time they update it.
You people just want to blame SOE for everything and thats not saying SOE are not blameless but all companies should make this more aware.
John there is a difference in updating an EULA to protect the game or reflect new features/rules that are added and trying to "disclose" your personal information to whomever SOE wants to. Lets not pretend that this is a similar situation.
SOE does not need to disclose personal information to private parties to help run this game. SOE is trying to change a one sided contract so that they can sell your personal information to whomever wants to buy it from them.
Trying to deflect this issue onto another company is just deceitful.
If you don't agree with the EULA then don't play the game because that's what it is there for but if you click agree and carry on playing then really it's your own fault if anything is to happen.
i would believe you if you quoted the eula part they changed, but atm all this is, is just random blizzard hate.
It's just to point out that the EULA gets updated and change for all mmorpgs out there and they casually make you constantly agree to it and blame you for not reading it each time they update it. SOE's asks you to agree to it each time you play and Blizzard's asks you to agree to it each time they update it.
You people just want to blame SOE for everything and thats not saying SOE are not blameless but all companies should make this more aware.
John there is a difference in updating an EULA to protect the game or reflect new features/rules that are added and trying to "disclose" your personal information to whomever SOE wants to. Lets not pretend that this is a similar situation.
SOE does not need to disclose personal information to private parties to help run this game. SOE is trying to change a one sided contract so that they can sell your personal information to whomever wants to buy it from them.
Trying to deflect this issue onto another company is just deceitful.
If you don't agree with the EULA then don't play the game because that's what it is there for but if you click agree and carry on playing then really it's your own fault if anything is to happen.
Exactly. It's good that the OP brought this to everyone's attention. Now if you continue to play SOE games I hope you get burned.
So, basically if you have a tech support issue they want to remotely access your PC... much like HP/Dell/Microsoft will do as well. DAMN YOU SONY!
They also want to review the files and software on my PC at the same time? I have nothing to hide. I wonder why everyone is panicking... am I playing with giant software pirates or kiddie porn ring operators? I'd kinda like these people to get caught, actually...
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i would believe you if you quoted the eula part they changed, but atm all this is, is just random blizzard hate.
It's just to point out that the EULA gets updated and change for all mmorpgs out there and they casually make you constantly agree to it and blame you for not reading it each time they update it. SOE's asks you to agree to it each time you play and Blizzard's asks you to agree to it each time they update it.
You people just want to blame SOE for everything and thats not saying SOE are not blameless but all companies should make this more aware.
John there is a difference in updating an EULA to protect the game or reflect new features/rules that are added and trying to "disclose" your personal information to whomever SOE wants to. Lets not pretend that this is a similar situation.
SOE does not need to disclose personal information to private parties to help run this game. SOE is trying to change a one sided contract so that they can sell your personal information to whomever wants to buy it from them.
Trying to deflect this issue onto another company is just deceitful.
If you don't agree with the EULA then don't play the game because that's what it is there for but if you click agree and carry on playing then really it's your own fault if anything is to happen.
There are certain things that can be added to a EULA and certain things that cannot. It is a one way contract and in order for it to be enforcable both parties need to have bargaining power beyond normal expectations of what a EULA protects the companys property from. SOE can't for example put into the EULA that they can use your credit card to buy whatever they want with it and have any chance of standing up in court when they are charged with fraud.
Discussion of the points is important. SOE can't just slip in permission to sell your information in an cleverly disguised manner and the end user either has to like it or leave it and blaming the player for being at fault is lame. Beyond that is just shows how unethical this company is and their desperation to squeeze every last nickle out of their dwindling subscriber base at any cost.
I can not play the game and still have an opinion.
So, basically if you have a tech support issue they want to remotely access your PC... much like HP/Dell/Microsoft will do as well. DAMN YOU SONY!
They also want to review the files and software on my PC at the same time? I have nothing to hide. I wonder why everyone is panicking... am I playing with giant software pirates or kiddie porn ring operators? I'd kinda like these people to get caught, actually...
Did you even read? This is not SOE trying to help, but they may be selling whatever data you have in your pc to others.
Maybe you dont have sensitive things (not prono, but work related etc) on your pc, but that dosen't means the rest of us don't.
RIP Orc Choppa
I don't know about countries outside the EU, but here in the UK this EULA is Illigal. Here is the extract from the EULA:
"We cannot ensure that your private communications and other personally identifiable information will not be disclosed to third parties."
And here is the relevant extract from the Data Protection Act 1998 which makes the EULA illegal:
*Data must not be disclosed to other parties without the consent of the individual whom it is about, unless there is legislation or other overriding legitimate reason to share the information (for example, the prevention or detection of crime). It is an offence for Other Parties to obtain this personal data without your authorisation.
*Data may only be used for the specific purposes for which it was collected.
You can follow my step and bring this to SOE's/Sony attention by emailing them. They have 40 days in which to get back to you under this law, if they don't then you can contact the Information Commissioner's Office by downloading and completing this form and sending to the adress on the form itself, or by filling this electronic form (Microsoft Word required) and sending it to: [email protected]. These forms above are just for UK users. This is an European directive so the rules above apply to pretty much all EU countries, however you need to check how to get in touch with the information commisioner in your individual countries. I have no idea what the information law is like in the US.
i would believe you if you quoted the eula part they changed, but atm all this is, is just random blizzard hate.
It's just to point out that the EULA gets updated and change for all mmorpgs out there and they casually make you constantly agree to it and blame you for not reading it each time they update it. SOE's asks you to agree to it each time you play and Blizzard's asks you to agree to it each time they update it.
You people just want to blame SOE for everything and thats not saying SOE are not blameless but all companies should make this more aware.
John there is a difference in updating an EULA to protect the game or reflect new features/rules that are added and trying to "disclose" your personal information to whomever SOE wants to. Lets not pretend that this is a similar situation.
SOE does not need to disclose personal information to private parties to help run this game. SOE is trying to change a one sided contract so that they can sell your personal information to whomever wants to buy it from them.
Trying to deflect this issue onto another company is just deceitful.
If you don't agree with the EULA then don't play the game because that's what it is there for but if you click agree and carry on playing then really it's your own fault if anything is to happen.
There are certain things that can be added to a EULA and certain things that cannot. It is a one way contract and in order for it to be enforcable both parties need to have bargaining power beyond normal expectations of what a EULA protects the companys property from. SOE can't for example put into the EULA that they can use your credit card to buy whatever they want with it and have any chance of standing up in court when they are charged with fraud.
Discussion of the points is important. SOE can't just slip in permission to sell your information in an cleverly disguised manner and the end user either has to like it or leave it and blaming the player for being at fault is lame. Beyond that is just shows how unethical this company is and their desperation to squeeze every last nickle out of their dwindling subscriber base at any cost.
I can not play the game and still have an opinion.
They have alot of Lawyers who look into stuff like this to make sure they can't be sued or anything so they obviously can.
Well I guess you have me there, because no big corporation with lawyers has ever put anything that violates a law in their EULA. *Pst! look at response about the legality of this in the EU*
It isn't even ethical for SOE to do this.
Let's take a look at EULA's from other games shall we?
World of Warcraft
Consent to Monitor.
WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE PROHIBITED BY SECTION 2. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, THE GAME MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
EVE Online
CCP may monitor usage of the System to gather statistical information that it may disclose to third parties. CCP may also contact you using the information you provided to, for example, provide technical support, respond to user inquiries, transmit questionnaires and offer products and services. You may also verify and update your Account information by logging into your Account through the account management page at https://secure.eve-online.com/login.asp.
Turbine - Lord of the Rings (my personal favorite)
To the extent permitted under applicable laws, you hereby waive any moral rights you may have in any and all Content.
EVERY MMO monitors their software and hardware it is running on in some way, shape or form. You understand this when you click accept on the eula.
Again, the SOE hate is funny! keep it coming!
Only SoE says explicitly they authorise themselves in giving "private communications and other personally identifiable information" to "third parties" and "private entities".
Did you even bother to read the thread or did you just press reply to voice a random opinion which has nothing to do with the subject like most people on the internet?
Next time please read the threads so we don't have to read all the nonsense in between.
Thank you.
You don't see harm in this?!?
So some "legal authority" wants access to your information and you are perfectly happy to give them complete access to you and your information WITHOUT A JUDGE FIRST APPROVING? No warrant, no probable cause? Have you ever heard of due process? Or the constitution? Your rights??
Holy smokes man!
NO!
pardon me while I have an aneurysm
The justice system is equally broken so either way you look at it your boned. When someone can tap your phone in the name of "fighting terrorism" there is nothing the people can do anymore. Just sit back and get the lube ready so it won't hurt as bad.
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Only SoE says explicitly they authorise themselves in giving "private communications and other personally identifiable information" to "third parties" and "private entities".
Did you even bother to read the thread or did you just press reply to voice a random opinion which has nothing to do with the subject like most people on the internet?
Next time please read the threads so we don't have to read all the nonsense in between.
Thank you.
did you even read the CCP one? :P
Yes, Blizz will take your cpu data etc also, but the difference is they dont give it to 3rd party like SOE said in their EULA, but only to law enforcement...
yeah was just posting it if someone was curious...i went and read the EULA for SOE...it sounds crappy and all but i would like an explanation from them as to what third parties they would be talking about, i usually don't panic over stuff like this and find it curious...as for them saying what third party means to them i won't hold my breath for an answer.
Just because they say third party doesn't mean it could be bad, but everyone here will make their own conclusions.
I agree, I would also like to know specifically what third-party companies they are releasing my personal information.
Let it be noted that not only does this mean more spam in your e-mail inbox, but also more junk mail in your actual mailbox. If I remember correctly, you must enter your home address as part of the account registration, and if they release that to a third-party company....
I'm guessing SOE thought that nobody would pay attention to a EULA change. They were wrong.
Umm as far as your home address and e-mail address they don't need to scan your computer to get that, you give all that to them when you setup the acct.
Assassin's like to do it in the dark and from behind.
That's what you think.
That's what you think.
/snicker
Without a doubt, it seems that SOE will get itself into a lawsuit with this change. Whether that lawsuit is actually worth working for....
You decide
Bound to happen. Glad i'll never have the pleasure of dealing with them again
Be paid for Beta Testing, don't pay to Beta Test.
i would believe you if you quoted the eula part they changed, but atm all this is, is just random blizzard hate.
It's just to point out that the EULA gets updated and change for all mmorpgs out there and they casually make you constantly agree to it and blame you for not reading it each time they update it. SOE's asks you to agree to it each time you play and Blizzard's asks you to agree to it each time they update it.
You people just want to blame SOE for everything and thats not saying SOE are not blameless but all companies should make this more aware.
John there is a difference in updating an EULA to protect the game or reflect new features/rules that are added and trying to "disclose" your personal information to whomever SOE wants to. Lets not pretend that this is a similar situation.
SOE does not need to disclose personal information to private parties to help run this game. SOE is trying to change a one sided contract so that they can sell your personal information to whomever wants to buy it from them.
Trying to deflect this issue onto another company is just deceitful.
If you don't agree with the EULA then don't play the game because that's what it is there for but if you click agree and carry on playing then really it's your own fault if anything is to happen.
There are certain things that can be added to a EULA and certain things that cannot. It is a one way contract and in order for it to be enforcable both parties need to have bargaining power beyond normal expectations of what a EULA protects the companys property from. SOE can't for example put into the EULA that they can use your credit card to buy whatever they want with it and have any chance of standing up in court when they are charged with fraud.
Discussion of the points is important. SOE can't just slip in permission to sell your information in an cleverly disguised manner and the end user either has to like it or leave it and blaming the player for being at fault is lame. Beyond that is just shows how unethical this company is and their desperation to squeeze every last nickle out of their dwindling subscriber base at any cost.
I can not play the game and still have an opinion.
They have alot of Lawyers who look into stuff like this to make sure they can't be sued or anything so they obviously can.
What an ignorant statement. You think because some corporate lawyer might havebsigned off on this that everything is fine and dandy?
Sorry to break it to you, but there are lots of lawyers out there, including the ones in corporations that will attempt to bend every law out there. This is clearly such an attempt and it directly violates consumer protection laws. You can definitely expect a class action suit out of this.
Could you possibly tell us what games allows you to buy one box, have multiple accounts for different ppl? And multiple accounts on one sub? This is seriously the first I have ever heard of such a thing. As far as I have known, in all my years of gaming...if you want multiple accounts, you pay for multiple boxes and subs.
So if a guy in collage buys a game, then he should be able to make an account for himself, and make several accounts for his friends, call them his kids, and only hafta pay for one sub fee?
Ok thats it, i will bring the pitchforks who can bring the torches? People really need to get a grip, is anyone still able to believe that their information is safe? For the naive, this has been going on for years, yes young puppies even before the internet. Get a grip for gods sake. Sounds like sony has a real stealthy operation going here, gee just because they disclosed it doenst mean its not stealthy....wait!! i see a black helicopter with sony on the side of it outside my window. Oh no biggie, they just wanted to get my payment for all the uber gear i bought from the station store, which i bought so i can be better than all the poor folks without a few bucks left over after their expenditures for high speed internet and their gaming rigs not to mention the evil monthy fee they have to pay. Some people need something to be pissed off about or scared of to be able to function in their daily lives. Cant wait to read about the next horrible thing sony is going to do us.
Local councils can pass on your info from cenus information if you don't make sure you've ticked all the boxes telling them not to!
SOE are complete crap but there are worse out there ...like the governments.
your absolutely right. this has went on for years. and think about this also. anytime you install anything be it from disc or via internet you are vulnerable. sony , ms, blizzard all have people working for them that can get whatever information they want from you at anytime. If someone with the kind of money these folks have wants your info they can get it and probably already have it.