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Secrow
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You probably heard this 1000 of times before, but why can't you play as a evil side in lord of the rings online?, why can't you battle against eachother in diffrent zones, the game would draw many many more players since this game has a awesome lore...
as i heard, they say that the evil side wasn't added because it didn't fit into the lore, Orcs, Goblins, Uruk's and etc, are soulless '' as Tolkien said'' and endless negative opinions and etc,
Those who play the game say to those who ask this question:
This game is PVE, Sparring wasn't even going to be added, but it did.. or ... go play another game....
My question to these people are, do you have a good explanation instead of these comments?
I haven't read the book but i've heard friends talking about it, But i have watched the movies, ( i know what you think you.. '' not the same'') but Peter jackson didn't made up scenes in the movies, anyways.. It Is All about the Evil Side and The Free People side, Why doesn't it exsist in a game that would TOP the market for a decent time if it existed?, And many places in the movie was taken over by the evil side.. like Osgiliath?, Why wouldn't you be able to Capture diffrent zones as in the books/movies .. In Game?!
and you have a chance to take part of this ofcourse..
Any opinions about this?
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You can. When you get one character to level 10, you can make a level 60 monster players. It’s on the character select screen.
Many also guess that as we get closer to Mordor, the monster play will be expanded to more of the normal character advancement.
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Yeah i forgot to mention the monsterplay, but what do you mean with closer to morder the more character advancement from monsterplay?
Actually, Peter Jackson did make up some scenes in the movies... but I digress...
To answer your question, the entire story is told from one side. The orcs are all pretty utilitarian and they do what their master tells them to. There is no story from the orcs side. There are no scenes where it's just the evil side talking about their plans.
This is not to say that as the fellowship moves through the world that they won't add some battle grounds such as a "Helm's Deep", but in the end, the bad side does lose. In every battle.
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Yes i know what you mean, but why does it have to be like this.. why can't it be like other games that the evil still awaits, if you have read the world of warcraft books, the evil side does loose always too but there are plenty of things that still continue that gives the evil side an advantage.. If it is as you say, The evil side follow their masters orders.. why can't you play as a character that follow the orders too but takes part of like NPC raids.... if you know what i mean... the game can be improved as hell and i just think that it is a shame that they can add that but people are still strict to the lore.. i am not saying that you should not follow the lore, just other ways to experience the lore of Lord of the rings and etc... but i hope it someday get added.. then yall se what a population increase will be more then avarage...
actually you can play on the evil side, but only in pvp, you can choose an evil character, give it a name and enter the pvp zone ettenmoors and do quests there and attack other players and have some fun. Turbine adds regulary content for lotro's pvp. But indeed you can't get out of that zone with you pvp character.
Lotro is designed in the first place as a PVE game and it's about the lore of lotr (read the books and you will understand, Peter Jackson only used like 20 procent of the whole story of middle earth because it's huge) If you're looking for pvp? then lotro isn't the game for you, If you want to have one of the greatest pve experiences in all mmo's to date? then try lotro.
And to the question of why didn't they add the same things for the evil side as for the free people side? That just wasn't what turbine had in mind. so it's actually a useless discussion. Lotro wasn't ment to be like that or ment to be like other games
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Potential expansion time line and map.
What I mean is, as they add more zones closer to Modor, and Rohan, I think we will see monster play added more and more, and get filled out to be similar to the advance meant of Free peoples characters.
Not to mention more session play.
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Wow that is a really cool link-- how accurate is that? For the OP if you go to the link and keep going forward at one point there is a plan to make a starter city in Mordor with travel to the battlegrounds. Creep play will always be PvMP focus'd but they have been working toward implementing more and more development without breaking lore.
Up until Mines of MOria we've only had Eriador to play with -- haveing monster players running around the Breelands would make very little sense. That's what is lore breaking. Sure you could possibly have some starting in Angmar or whatever but they have put their resources in to making a wonderfully playing PvE game.
Can you play as the burning legion or as the undead scurge in WoW? Why not?
In LotrO you actually get to play really Evil characters while you cant in WoW...
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
I think it has to be pointed out that those are speculations (and ideas). None of that comes from the developers. So PLEASE don't go to another forum and mention that there might be a starter area on Morder as then someone will go somewhere else and say "hey, guess what? They're making a starter area in Mordor!!!
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I will try to answer this for you. There is a company called tolkien enterprise, not to be mistaken for tolkien estates. Tolkien enterprise hold the rights to the books and holds the rights to the license that turbine has to make the game. They also have final say in anything that happens in the game. other words turbine has to run everything past them to make sure they don't see it as to lore breaking.
Now it is true that the evil side is not fleshed out in the books to any great extent. we have no idea what they do for a normal day other than roll in their owne filth and await orders. Tolkien created them as mindless drones for the dark lord. Think of it as the honey bee. You have the queen who sits in her bee nest and orders the workers around. Sauron is the queen bee. the evil creatures that make up his army are the workers.Do you really want your evil character stricly limited in what it can and can't do? That is what you would get, Cause they basically sat around waiting. A select few were sent out to do things but not all of them.
Also for turbine to create a playable evil race they would have to create lore for them. Something that tolkien did not do. Turbine does not have the right to do this. They can expand on what is hinted at in the books. If they were to exand on what is hinted on in the books about the evil races. They would one. always be underground or in a cave during the day. two the only thing they would do is raid the free people and loot them. They did not adventure and room around looking to connect with their past or perserve it. Also in the books evil races did not have free reign over all of the map. And that is what you will get if they did. The shire would be unplayable cause you would have evil characters camping the low lvls 24/7, I am not saying all will do this but the majority will and i base that off of other PvP based games that i have played over the years.
As another poster pointed out in WOW you can't play the burning crusade. The true evil in that game. What you get to play in WOW is a faction and to each faction the other one is the evil one. In LOTRO the free people did not run around killing or maiming each other. So it makes no sense to have them doing so in a game.
I hope this helps you understand why there is no playable evil races.
Wut?
Wow...where to begin....
You haven't read the book(s).........
After whatever the devs tell us? Not accurate at all. It's all just having some fun guessing. The latest version is me guessing way back in May of this year. (I plan to update it, but it's a huge pain to do so).
I suggested a Monster Starter zone as a way to show players what Mordor and Sauron were like at the height of their power, pure story. My worry is that by the time we get to Mordor, it'll be the trashed version after the good side won. Face it, you'll never get into Barad-dur while Sauron is alive. It just isn't going to happen. Not even Gandalf could get in there. So I wanted players to see the place in its heyday. The only other way to do this is via Session Play, but I wanted something more involved that tied into monster play.
And so I suggested a starter zone to act as a hub to connect to any future PvMP zones, like in a giant game of Risk (i.e. capture Ettenmoors and it opens up links to Mount Gundabad, moving the front forward).
As others have said it's just ideas and suggestions that I felt would fit in with the lore, without having to create an entire new faction with equal sets of quests, deeds, and gear that Freeps get. Building up an entire evil faction would cut dev time for Freeps in half and that's not something I'd recommend Turbine do. Creeps, as portrayed in the stories, just don't have enough to them to make into an interesting playable faction. I feel their focus should be on storytelling and as a general antagonist.
So, that's the rational for the Starter zone in my map.
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Please keep your PVP out of my PVE game!!
It is bad enough that this game has un-needed nerfs and I never wish to see PVP be more than what it currently is as I know it will affect the PVE side of the game.
I do like to hang in the Moors from time to time but until someone shows me a game where PVP did not affect PVE players in some way I would rather have no PVP in Lotro than what having PVP does to the PVE side of games.
As other posters have already stated there is not enough lore for Monster players and besides there are plenty of other PVP games out there if that is what you want WOW is pretty much Lotro with PVP in it IMO.
Witch king.......Lich king , tomato....... tamato Elves and orcs and little people so just play WOW and use a little imagination if you want PVP. Go buy Halo that is about as balanced as PVP can get right there IMO.
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Qick answer: in lotr the evil side's force are supposed to be canon fodder, badly organised and unless you were drunk and high on meth when you watched the movies you prolly noticed that the evil side doesnt have many cities and that the monsters are quite different from one area to another
Thats like saying. O guys I think we should eradicate all muslims on earth, they are all terrorists. No i've never met a muslim and i've never been to a muslim dominant country but I know this for a fact they have to be killed.
Wait the us gov said that.
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