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You are selfish if you don't want higher taxes, Obama

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  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by sepher

    Originally posted by Fishermage 



    1. I was answering YOu who said BOTH are socialists, Now you are shifting. Much like the candidate you support.
    2. Why do you keep changing the subject. This entire topic has nothing to do with the war. Why hijack it? I debated you on it for awhile after you started it, but now I see you are playing with a red herring here.
    3. that is what capital gains MEANS, not what I believe. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gain
    "A capital gain is a profit that results from investments into a capital asset, such as stocks, bonds or real estate, which exceeds the purchase price. Conversely, a capital loss arises if the proceeds from the sale of a capital asset are less than the purchase price."
    not raising personal income tax for those beneath 250K per year will kill small businesses.
    He is raising corporate taxes. How does HE determine whether a company keeps jobs HERE? that is impossible to determine or enforce. Essentially you are giving him the power to run ALL American business here. Pure fascism.

    1. Right, I was for socialism, before I was against it. Like I said, I don't care what you title either of 'em, its just verbiage. I only care about the issues, and thus my vote or Obama.



    2. I'm not changing the subject, I just bring up specific examples. I don't believe in making baseless arguments as you seem to be found of. Obama's a liar, his issues are bad, he's a socialist, etc. Say WHY. In the absense of you explaining why, I feel the need to explain why I think he ISN'T. 



    And this was just to bring up his spending points and explain why they were investments in American people. 



    3. As for the claim that NOT raising personal income tax for those beneath 250k will kill small business; that doesn't quite match the assumption that leaving people beneath that amount with more of their money helps them invest in and start new small businesses. 

     

    1. No, socialism is what Obama is and has always been. It;s nt just verbiage, it means something.

    2. This discussion had nothig to do with the war until YOU brought it up in an attempt to hijack the discussion away from what Obama said - that people who don't believe in socialism are selfish.

    3. Mccain isn't going to raise tzes on people with below 250 K, he just won't raise taxes on people above it. So, on taxes, McCain does everythiing good and none of the bad,

  • CactusmanXCactusmanX Member Posts: 2,218

    Well if that is the word that he wants to put on people that do not want more of peoples money stolen from them and used to by politicians for wealth redistribution programmes to make the politicians look like heroes then yes I am selfish but if being altruistic implies the opposite then I am happy to be selfish.

    Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by sepher

    Originally posted by Fishermage

    Originally posted by sepher

    Originally posted by Fishermage

    Originally posted by sepher


     In 2004, all of that "terrorist endorsement" talk might've worked, since asking it is meant only to create fear. If Castro wants our of-age youths to go to college and the US economy to lead in new and renewable energy, awesome. 



    You'd maybe have something if it weren't for the fact that all of the peaceful nations of the world including our allies weren't behind Obama as well.

     

    In other words, you refuse to answer why all our enemies want Obama. It's not about, what works, but about WHY would our enemies back him?

    The leaders of those nations havem't been as unified as our enemies in this.

    www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031943.html

    Again, newsflash, the entire WORLD rather see Obama in office: http://www.gallup.com/poll/111253/World-Citizens-Prefer-Obama-McCain-More-Than-3to1.aspx#2



    Please explain why only Laos and the Phillipines rather see McCain in office, rather than say, our NATO allies? What's going on there? *boggle*

     

     

    Those two countries are in the front lines in defense against the Jihad.

    Still won't answer why our enemies want Obama though. To me, that's the on;y part of the world's opinion that matters.

     

    Anyway since you have ceased to actually answer anything, and this is going around in circles, I will leave you to your vote for the friend of our enemies.

    Don't forget my allies too! 



    I don't know why "the Jihad" endorses Obama. Feel free to tell me why, I'm sure it can sway my vote if its relevant.



    The fact that they support him alone though doesn't effect my vote. I don't believe in letting our political process be held hostage by videotapes from the Middle East. 

    The Jihad endorses Obama because he is weak. He won't even admit what we are fighting against. that is just the way they want it. Also because they fear McCain as they feared Bush.

  • konrad16660konrad16660 Member Posts: 182

    McCain now has phone calls going out to Democrats with a fake Hillary Clinton voice saying it is Hillary and saying to vote for McCain.  That is just dirty.  The devil certainlty comes in different forms.

  • sephersepher Member Posts: 3,561
    Originally posted by Fishermage 



    The Jihad endorses Obama because he is weak. He won't even admit what we are fighting against. that is just the way they want it. Also because they fear McCain as they feared Bush.

    That's your interpretation. 



    I don't find targeting al-Qaeda training grounds and Osama Bin Laden weak. I believe in the greater goals of the war on terror, but I also believe attacking and killing the ones who managed to attack us on our own soil takes precedence. 

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by konrad16660


    McCain now has phone calls going out to Democrats with a fake Hillary Clinton voice saying it is Hillary and saying to vote for McCain.  That is just dirty.  The devil certainlty comes in different forms.

    he does not.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by sepher

    Originally posted by Fishermage 



    The Jihad endorses Obama because he is weak. He won't even admit what we are fighting against. that is just the way they want it. Also because they fear McCain as they feared Bush.

    That's your interpretation. 



    I don't find targeting al-Qaeda training grounds and Osama Bin Laden weak. I believe in the greater goals of the war on terror, but I also believe attacking and killing the ones who managed to attack us on our own soil takes precedence. 

    we are already doing that -- we have been targetting them all along. The only difference is, the enemy wants Obama targeting them, not a republican.

  • konrad16660konrad16660 Member Posts: 182
    Originally posted by Fishermage

    Originally posted by konrad16660


    McCain now has phone calls going out to Democrats with a fake Hillary Clinton voice saying it is Hillary and saying to vote for McCain.  That is just dirty.  The devil certainlty comes in different forms.

    he does not.

    Actually Yes he does.

  • Rayx0rRayx0r Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,902
    Originally posted by Fishermage

    Originally posted by sepher

    Originally posted by Fishermage

    Originally posted by sepher

    Originally posted by Fishermage

    Originally posted by sepher


     In 2004, all of that "terrorist endorsement" talk might've worked, since asking it is meant only to create fear. If Castro wants our of-age youths to go to college and the US economy to lead in new and renewable energy, awesome. 



    You'd maybe have something if it weren't for the fact that all of the peaceful nations of the world including our allies weren't behind Obama as well.

     

    In other words, you refuse to answer why all our enemies want Obama. It's not about, what works, but about WHY would our enemies back him?

    The leaders of those nations havem't been as unified as our enemies in this.

    www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031943.html

    Again, newsflash, the entire WORLD rather see Obama in office: http://www.gallup.com/poll/111253/World-Citizens-Prefer-Obama-McCain-More-Than-3to1.aspx#2



    Please explain why only Laos and the Phillipines rather see McCain in office, rather than say, our NATO allies? What's going on there? *boggle*

     

     

    Those two countries are in the front lines in defense against the Jihad.

    Still won't answer why our enemies want Obama though. To me, that's the on;y part of the world's opinion that matters.

     

    Anyway since you have ceased to actually answer anything, and this is going around in circles, I will leave you to your vote for the friend of our enemies.

    Don't forget my allies too! 



    I don't know why "the Jihad" endorses Obama. Feel free to tell me why, I'm sure it can sway my vote if its relevant.



    The fact that they support him alone though doesn't effect my vote. I don't believe in letting our political process be held hostage by videotapes from the Middle East. 

    The Jihad endorses Obama because he is weak. He won't even admit what we are fighting against. that is just the way they want it. Also because they fear McCain as they feared Bush.



     

     

    Its Al Queda, actually.  They dont endorse Obama, they endorse McCain.  Like you said, they consider Obama weak.  They know McCain will keep the US forces where they are and also continue the US economic downward spiral as it is currently heading.  We're falling into their hands, right where they want us.  Theyre not a group of people who invade territories or win wars.  Theyre a group of terrorists who deteriorate civilizations though different means thats not always a physical confrontation.

    Al Queda Endorses McCain

    "The message, posted Monday on the password-protected al-Hesbah Web site, said if al-Qaida wants to exhaust the United States militarily and economically, "impetuous" Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain is the better choice because he is more likely to continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

     

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  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by konrad16660

    Originally posted by Fishermage

    Originally posted by konrad16660


    McCain now has phone calls going out to Democrats with a fake Hillary Clinton voice saying it is Hillary and saying to vote for McCain.  That is just dirty.  The devil certainlty comes in different forms.

    he does not.

    Actually Yes he does.

     

    Well, yes if you mean the part about the devil, but the Mccain accusation is BS.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by Rayx0r

    Originally posted by Fishermage

    Originally posted by sepher

    Originally posted by Fishermage

    Originally posted by sepher

    Originally posted by Fishermage

    Originally posted by sepher


     In 2004, all of that "terrorist endorsement" talk might've worked, since asking it is meant only to create fear. If Castro wants our of-age youths to go to college and the US economy to lead in new and renewable energy, awesome. 



    You'd maybe have something if it weren't for the fact that all of the peaceful nations of the world including our allies weren't behind Obama as well.

     

    In other words, you refuse to answer why all our enemies want Obama. It's not about, what works, but about WHY would our enemies back him?

    The leaders of those nations havem't been as unified as our enemies in this.

    www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031943.html

    Again, newsflash, the entire WORLD rather see Obama in office: http://www.gallup.com/poll/111253/World-Citizens-Prefer-Obama-McCain-More-Than-3to1.aspx#2



    Please explain why only Laos and the Phillipines rather see McCain in office, rather than say, our NATO allies? What's going on there? *boggle*

     

     

    Those two countries are in the front lines in defense against the Jihad.

    Still won't answer why our enemies want Obama though. To me, that's the on;y part of the world's opinion that matters.

     

    Anyway since you have ceased to actually answer anything, and this is going around in circles, I will leave you to your vote for the friend of our enemies.

    Don't forget my allies too! 



    I don't know why "the Jihad" endorses Obama. Feel free to tell me why, I'm sure it can sway my vote if its relevant.



    The fact that they support him alone though doesn't effect my vote. I don't believe in letting our political process be held hostage by videotapes from the Middle East. 

    The Jihad endorses Obama because he is weak. He won't even admit what we are fighting against. that is just the way they want it. Also because they fear McCain as they feared Bush.



     

     

    Its Al Queda, actually.  They dont endorse Obama, they endorse McCain.  Like you said, they consider Obama weak.  They know McCain will keep the US forces where they are and also continue the US economic downward spiral as it is currently heading.  We're falling into their hands, right where they want us.  Theyre not a group of people who invade territories or win wars.  Theyre a group of terrorists who deteriorate civilizations though different means thats not always a physical confrontation.

    Al Queda Endorses McCain

    "The message, posted Monday on the password-protected al-Hesbah Web site, said if al-Qaida wants to exhaust the United States militarily and economically, "impetuous" Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain is the better choice because he is more likely to continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

     

     

    www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/29/monitor/entry4556748.shtml

    www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE49T76620081030

     

     

  • ChieftanChieftan Member UncommonPosts: 1,188

    I'm going to college so I can pay more taxes...

    Yay!

    My youtube MMO gaming channel



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