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So the devs should follow the orders of a few "vets" and ignore what a much larger player base is looking for?  Not only would this cut their profits, but it would also reduce the number of ppl who really have fun playing this game.  No thanks.

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  • DuraheLLDuraheLL Member Posts: 2,951
    Originally posted by Gabrion2


    So the devs should follow the orders of a few "vets" and ignore what a much larger player base is looking for?  Not only would this cut their profits, but it would also reduce the number of ppl who really have fun playing this game.  No thanks.

     

    are you mad?

    They are making KOTOR, splashed with online. What's your problem kid

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  • Balkin31Balkin31 Member UncommonPosts: 224

    No Bioware should make the game THEY want to make and gamers can decide whether to play or not...

  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    Originally posted by Gabrion2


    So the devs should follow the orders of a few "vets" and ignore what a much larger player base is looking for?  Not only would this cut their profits, but it would also reduce the number of ppl who really have fun playing this game.  No thanks.

     

    Don't worry, they are not gonna do it.

    Bioware was aware of the SWG veterans (who isn't?), so they know already how to ignore them.

    They gonna do the game the marketing departement decide they have to do, don't worry.........

  • BaldyMikeBaldyMike Member Posts: 65
    Originally posted by Balkin31


    No Bioware should make the game THEY want to make and gamers can decide whether to play or not...



     

    In the end...I agree. They will either make money, or loose money. As far as the flaming of the "Vets"...I think most of the "Vets" agree that it is not so much wanting the old pre CU/NGE SWG back as something that has what the pre CU/NGE had...FULL OPEN GAME PLAY...you can play the way that suites your gameplay style and not be locked into HAVING to do X and Y just to get to Z...

    At least that's my opinion.

    Mik

    I've seen things, you...people, wouldn't believe... . Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion... . I watched C-Beams, glitter in the darkness near the Tannhauser Gate... . All those...moments will be lost in time... . Like...tears...in the rain...
    Time to die.....
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  • Balkin31Balkin31 Member UncommonPosts: 224
    Originally posted by BaldyMike

    Originally posted by Balkin31


    No Bioware should make the game THEY want to make and gamers can decide whether to play or not...



     

    In the end...I agree. They will either make money, or loose money. As far as the flaming of the "Vets"...I think most of the "Vets" agree that it is not so much wanting the old pre CU/NGE SWG back as something that has what the pre CU/NGE had...FULL OPEN GAME PLAY...you can play the way that suites your gameplay style and not be locked into HAVING to do X and Y just to get to Z...

    At least that's my opinion.

    Mik



     

    Exactly... wanting some freedoms in a game is not a bad thing as many would try to make others think, it offers up some truely uniqe gamplay experiences. Sandbox does not need to be fully free it can simply incoporate the best of both worlds making for an even larger fan base...

    To many people think we want an SWG 2.0 we don't we want something new just like they do but Bioware did not choose something new ..other than deep story which honestly I can get in single player games anyways... Besides what happens when the story ends?? At least in a persistant world storys and events can be dynamically added without having to buy an expansion...

     

     

     

  • Gabrion2Gabrion2 Member Posts: 55

    I'm not mad, I'm just responding to all the "vets" here who actually think their very limited veiw of what makes an online game good should influence the Bioware team.  The irony is that a much larger community enjoys games where they play heros and get to be part of an epic story line than those who which to be vapor farmers or fat entertainers dancing in a tavern.

    The "vet" crowd demands that the game conform to a standard that would limit the fun millions of people might have, just so they can try to relive some pathetic escape from reality they got to experience in the old SWG.  Well news flash, theme-parks are fun because you go there for entertainment and they are set up to entertain in specific ways.  Then you leave.  The call for "free, open, sandbox" worlds is really just a plea to create a world where the "vets" can escape to.  It is not a call to make an entertainment product as such.

    Luckily Bioware has a lot of experience creating games that offer the kind of entertainment millions of people are looking for.  I applaud the things they have said about taking this game in that direction. 

    Now can we please split the TOR forums and isolate the "vets" like they did over at SWG forums?  It's obvious they just want to have a wine fest here like they did over there, and it really isnt helping the community.

  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,521

    lol, OP are you baiting vets here? Most vets already assumed it wasn't gonna be pre-cu, even fewer are actually mad over it not being. Most have been over it for years now. They have already moved on. The complaints I see now are just over graphics. Game play is another mater, they can take some of SWG and leave the rest. Would you not agree that player housing, crafting, and a few other things are worth looking at putting into a new SW MMO? Something to make it stand out from everything else on the market now? Or do you want it to be exactly like everything else out there so potential new players won't even bother looking at it? I don't understand your argument here.

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  • BizkitNLBizkitNL Member RarePosts: 2,546

    Bioware doesn't owe the Vets anything. SOE however..........meh. Get over it.

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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,521
    Originally posted by BizkitNL


    Bioware doesn't owe the Vets anything. SOE however..........meh. Get over it.

     

    Says you. LEC feels they do though, because they are after all Star Wars fans, hence the upgrade in communication efforts you see now will and continue to see. LEC is not going to let this falter like they did with SWG by taking a completely hands off approach because it didn't work. One thing they did ask of BioWare right off the bat is to continue to have interaction with their community and listen to their concerns through out development and into launch. You will continue to see concerns that are raised on their forums talked about in interviews as they are allowed to talk about them.

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  • wjrasmussenwjrasmussen Member Posts: 1,493
    Originally posted by BaldyMike

    Originally posted by Balkin31


    No Bioware should make the game THEY want to make and gamers can decide whether to play or not...



     

    In the end...I agree. They will either make money, or loose money. As far as the flaming of the "Vets"...I think most of the "Vets" agree that it is not so much wanting the old pre CU/NGE SWG back as something that has what the pre CU/NGE had...FULL OPEN GAME PLAY...you can play the way that suites your gameplay style and not be locked into HAVING to do X and Y just to get to Z...

    At least that's my opinion.

    Mik

    But they never give it a rest to the point of it being rude.

     

  • DuraheLLDuraheLL Member Posts: 2,951

    At this point it's almost like I feel ashamed to call myself a pre-CU SWG vet

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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,521
    Originally posted by wjrasmussen

    Originally posted by BaldyMike

    Originally posted by Balkin31


    No Bioware should make the game THEY want to make and gamers can decide whether to play or not...



     

    In the end...I agree. They will either make money, or loose money. As far as the flaming of the "Vets"...I think most of the "Vets" agree that it is not so much wanting the old pre CU/NGE SWG back as something that has what the pre CU/NGE had...FULL OPEN GAME PLAY...you can play the way that suites your gameplay style and not be locked into HAVING to do X and Y just to get to Z...

    At least that's my opinion.

    Mik

    But they never give it a rest to the point of it being rude.

     

     

    That's just Star Wars fans in general, they are a picky bunch, just ask George Lucas.

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  • BaldyMikeBaldyMike Member Posts: 65

    Obviously you never played Pre NGE...There was LOTS more to do than just be a fat dancer. As a matter of fact you could do just about anything you could immagine. PvP - both space and land based, Exploring the HUGH world, running Missions, Gather mats for a limitless PLAYER ran ecconomy.....

    Is TOR going to be that? Probably not...will it be fun...probably. Are you really saying that that is too much to ask for....Something that can offer 10000's of hours of enjoyable play time, wrather than another mindless grind....Well good....obviously the developers out there agree with you. They can have their 6 month subscribers that move on to another clone ... heheh ...clone wars !!!

     

    Mik

    I've seen things, you...people, wouldn't believe... . Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion... . I watched C-Beams, glitter in the darkness near the Tannhauser Gate... . All those...moments will be lost in time... . Like...tears...in the rain...
    Time to die.....
    Roy Batty
    Blade Runner

  • Gabrion2Gabrion2 Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by BaldyMike


    Obviously you never played Pre NGE...There was LOTS more to do than just be a fat dancer. As a matter of fact you could do just about anything you could immagine. PvP - both space and land based, Exploring the HUGH world, running Missions, Gather mats for a limitless PLAYER ran ecconomy.....
    Is TOR going to be that? Probably not...will it be fun...probably. Are you really saying that that is too much to ask for....Something that can offer 10000's of hours of enjoyable play time, wrather than another mindless grind....Well good....obviously the developers out there agree with you. They can have their 6 month subscribers that move on to another clone ... heheh ...clone wars !!!
     
    Mik

     

    You obviously haven't played a good "clone" MMO.  Millions of people do, millions of people love them. A small cult following with nothing in the real world worth living for wants to be moisture farmers.  Stop asking Bioware+Lucas Arts to listen to that tiny group.

  • somonekilwowsomonekilwow Member UncommonPosts: 96


    Originally posted by Gabrion2
    Originally posted by BaldyMike Obviously you never played Pre NGE...There was LOTS more to do than just be a fat dancer. As a matter of fact you could do just about anything you could immagine. PvP - both space and land based, Exploring the HUGH world, running Missions, Gather mats for a limitless PLAYER ran ecconomy.....
    Is TOR going to be that? Probably not...will it be fun...probably. Are you really saying that that is too much to ask for....Something that can offer 10000's of hours of enjoyable play time, wrather than another mindless grind....Well good....obviously the developers out there agree with you. They can have their 6 month subscribers that move on to another clone ... heheh ...clone wars !!!
     
    Mik
     
    You obviously haven't played a good "clone" MMO.  Millions of people do, millions of people love them. A small cult following with nothing in the real world worth living for wants to be moisture farmers.  Stop asking Bioware+Lucas Arts to listen to that tiny group.

    I loled hard on this one

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  • BaldyMikeBaldyMike Member Posts: 65
    Originally posted by Gabrion2

    Originally posted by BaldyMike


    Obviously you never played Pre NGE...There was LOTS more to do than just be a fat dancer. As a matter of fact you could do just about anything you could immagine. PvP - both space and land based, Exploring the HUGH world, running Missions, Gather mats for a limitless PLAYER ran ecconomy.....
    Is TOR going to be that? Probably not...will it be fun...probably. Are you really saying that that is too much to ask for....Something that can offer 10000's of hours of enjoyable play time, wrather than another mindless grind....Well good....obviously the developers out there agree with you. They can have their 6 month subscribers that move on to another clone ... heheh ...clone wars !!!
     
    Mik

     

    You obviously haven't played a good "clone" MMO.  Millions of people do, millions of people love them. A small cult following with nothing in the real world worth living for wants to be moisture farmers.  Stop asking Bioware+Lucas Arts to listen to that tiny group.

     

    ROFLMAO

    I'm not ASKING them to be anything...and I've been playing WoW since I left SWG NGE. They are going to make the game whatever they want...no matter what you or I think...or want...Nothing wrong with wanting more...better than what every developer is making. I'm sure you, on the other hand are happy with the mediocre.

     

    Mik

    Besides...I'm just posting so I can be a Hard Core Member like Someonekilwow  :)

    I've seen things, you...people, wouldn't believe... . Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion... . I watched C-Beams, glitter in the darkness near the Tannhauser Gate... . All those...moments will be lost in time... . Like...tears...in the rain...
    Time to die.....
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  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156

    this game isnt going to be anything like old SWG, we havepretty much known this for at least the last 3 years, if you old "vets" cant get over it then guess what:

    1) this game isn't for you

    2) emu -->

     

    (being a vet from closed beta in swg till about 1.5yrs ago, you guys make me nausious, really)

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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,521

    Folks, it's nothing but trolling on their part, don't let these kids get to you They are the same ones who said there was no new Star Wars MMO being developed.

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    Elder Jedi/Elder Bounty Hunter
     
  • LaterisLateris Member UncommonPosts: 1,849

     Hi I am Lateris and I am a SWG vet. I don't want SWTOR to resemble anything that SWG is doing. 

  • BlodplsBlodpls Member Posts: 1,454
    Originally posted by Balkin31


    No Bioware should make the game THEY want to make and gamers can decide whether to play or not...

     

    They won't ever be making the game they want again. 

    They will be making the game EA wants.

    And we all know how they generally turn out.

  • kingfelixkingfelix Member UncommonPosts: 214
    Originally posted by Lateris


     Hi I am Lateris and I am a SWG vet. I don't want SWTOR to resemble anything that SWG is doing. 

     

    I agree. I'd be far happier seeing it resemble the KOTOR games, rather than SWG.

  • DuraheLLDuraheLL Member Posts: 2,951
    Originally posted by kingfelix


    I agree. I'd be far happier seeing it resemble the KOTOR games, rather than SWG.

     

    Yes please

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  • JK-KanosiJK-Kanosi Member Posts: 1,357
    Originally posted by BaldyMike


    Obviously you never played Pre NGE...There was LOTS more to do than just be a fat dancer. As a matter of fact you could do just about anything you could immagine. PvP - both space and land based, Exploring the HUGH world, running Missions, Gather mats for a limitless PLAYER ran ecconomy.....
    Is TOR going to be that? Probably not...will it be fun...probably. Are you really saying that that is too much to ask for....Something that can offer 10000's of hours of enjoyable play time, wrather than another mindless grind....Well good....obviously the developers out there agree with you. They can have their 6 month subscribers that move on to another clone ... heheh ...clone wars !!!
     
    Mik



     

    You're delusional to think Pre NGE wasn't about grinding. When it came down to it, running missions, gathering mats and gaining professions were all grinds. Hell, the majority of people even willingly grinded their ass off to unlock Jedi. Player base economies reward the vets, plain and simple. Try going into SWG now with its player based economy. Gonna need millions of credits just to start off. Wanna fly right off the bat, wich is one of the options you are speaking of? Nope, need several hundred thousand credits to over a million just to get started after you grow out of the starter ship. People are on a more equal footing when there isn't a player ran economy.

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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,521
    Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

    Originally posted by BaldyMike


    Obviously you never played Pre NGE...There was LOTS more to do than just be a fat dancer. As a matter of fact you could do just about anything you could immagine. PvP - both space and land based, Exploring the HUGH world, running Missions, Gather mats for a limitless PLAYER ran ecconomy.....
    Is TOR going to be that? Probably not...will it be fun...probably. Are you really saying that that is too much to ask for....Something that can offer 10000's of hours of enjoyable play time, wrather than another mindless grind....Well good....obviously the developers out there agree with you. They can have their 6 month subscribers that move on to another clone ... heheh ...clone wars !!!
     
    Mik



     

    You're delusional to think Pre NGE wasn't about grinding. When it came down to it, running missions, gathering mats and gaining professions were all grinds. Hell, the majority of people even willingly grinded their ass off to unlock Jedi. Player base economies reward the vets, plain and simple. Try going into SWG now with its player based economy. Gonna need millions of credits just to start off. Wanna fly right off the bat, wich is one of the options you are speaking of? Nope, need several hundred thousand credits to over a million just to get started after you grow out of the starter ship. People are on a more equal footing when there isn't a player ran economy.

    Well if there was maybe price caps on items based on their stats, or randomly generated price points based on a virtual economy (supply and demand) that would help. But it would be a heavy system code wise.

     

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  • efefiaefefia Member Posts: 631
    Originally posted by JK-Kanosi




     
    You're delusional to think Pre NGE wasn't about grinding. When it came down to it, running missions, gathering mats and gaining professions were all grinds. Hell, the majority of people even willingly grinded their ass off to unlock Jedi. Player base economies reward the vets, plain and simple. Try going into SWG now with its player based economy. Gonna need millions of credits just to start off. Wanna fly right off the bat, wich is one of the options you are speaking of? Nope, need several hundred thousand credits to over a million just to get started after you grow out of the starter ship. People are on a more equal footing when there isn't a player ran economy.



     

    Pre-cu never felt like a grind, mainly because you didn't have some dumb number floating over your head to remind you that you were either a level 12 nub or a level 80 uber fucking leet Jeddai, the level system marked everyone prgress in that way and effectively made it more of a grind.  The only things I saw as a true grind were the Jedi grind and harvesting creature resources, other than that in before the CU you got xp from everything no matter how easy or tough a fight it was and as levels didn't even enter your thinking because they didn't exist, there wasn't a mad dash to hit the level cap, you just played the game and trained as you needed to along the way.

    Now, having said all of that, if BioWare hold true they could reach a similar dynamic with their mmo if you simply level while unravelling your story, should certainly make it a lot more fun than the usual, geting 20 lion pelts and shit.

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